Comments by "No Fate But What We Make" (@SonoftheAllfather) on "Jordan B Peterson"
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They didn't know the outcome in advance. They didn't know whether their nonsensical drivel would be accepted by these psuedo-academic journals. They hypothesized that it would, even if they deliberately made the "studies" as creatively ridiculous as they could possibly make them. They were correct.
I also find it absolutely hilarious that you even entertain the notion that there is an inkling of a chance that there is not massive and pervasive bias in these pseudo-disciplines and/or that an opposing perspective would even be entertained by these neo-Marxist insane asylum charlatans. Did you not listen to the interview and actually think about what was being said? These people are cognitively dissonant beyond all reason...just like insane religious zealots. Opposing opinions equate to blasphemy in their eyes.That is why Boghossian's team needed to do this coercively; I would think that would be obvious to anyone with any semblance of a brain.
Moreover, you are holding them to standards that are above and beyond the standards required to be published in one of these quack-tier journals. Using control groups would expose their hoax and render their efforts useless.
I will concede that I do consider their actions to be ethically questionable (I was just arguing this with someone the other day, saying what they did was technically immoral), but considering the absolute frauds they are exposing, I think the ends justify the means. These people deserve to be publicly embarrassed. They are an embarrassment to themselves and our society at large. I think deception is perfectly warranted to expose them for what they are: intellectual terrorists who are eroding the public's confidence in higher education (just as Boghossian said at 57:45) They're poisoning the minds of young people, ideologically subverting them and turning them into grievance mongering, demoralized infants.
Criminals always blame their accusers and cry foul. In law enforcement, there is something called a "ruse." Essentially, it is when cops lie to you in order to expose yourself as a criminal. It is not illegal, although you could argue it is immoral. The law sees it as the ends justifying the means, so long as you are not entrapping the person.
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If they knew what the outcome would be beforehand, the outcome would not be notable nor would it be embarrassing to the frauds they exposed. If the lack of credibility of these journals was obvious, unquestionable and common knowledge, the study would have garnered no interest, nor would it have triggered a reaction from anyone. Even low-ranking journals should be held to some academic standard, some expectation of quality and decency. When they are accepting a feminist-buzzword-injected excerpt from Mein Kampf???!!! lol yeah, that is not an academic journal. It is a propaganda mill being operated by ideologically subverted con artists who are defrauding the general public and academia. I think you're making excuses for them and lowering the bar as a defense mechanism.
The bottom line is that if these journals accept such nonsense, they should not be allowed to call themselves academic journals, and the professors writing the substandard articles being accepted by these rags should be terminated from their positions and criminally prosecuted for fraud. All you seem to be concerned about is the hoax that took place in this one study, which in terms of fraudulence, is a drop in the bucket compared to the RAMPANT fraudulence being carried out by these so-called postmodernist "academics." Their work in developing these fraudulent articles is SUBSIDIZED as research by their universities i.e. these professors are paid in tax dollars to write this nonsense. Lindsay noted that every ridiculous thing he could imagine putting in his hoax papers (anal dildos and intersectionality or whatever), he was able to produce a CITATION which had already covered the ridiculous idea he was using which was PEER-REVIEWED and ACCEPTED by these inane "journals."
Moreover, "grievance studies" (women's studies, "cultural" studies, ethnic studies, etc.) are not scientific disciplines, and studying the "quality" of such drivel would likely produce suicide in the person studying them. There is no quality in these fields. As the panel discussed @36:15, these disciplines are agenda-driven, not truth-oriented. They don't have the training or knowledge to conduct scientific studies using accepted methodological approaches. They have painted the very concept of consistency, logic, reason, REALITY...as a instrument of power being used by white males to control them. It is nonsense, complete fraudulence, and an affront to academic standards. I am of course biased against this nonsense, because 1.) any person with a mind of their own would be and 2.) I have been personally subjected to this toxic insanity and defrauded in my own educational pursuits. I have no need to confirm my own biases. This study only serves as a buttress, and what I have learned from this is that I was correct to believe these disciplines and their high priests of "social justice" are largely frauds and know-nothings inspired mostly by grievance and self-aggrandizement.
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