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My grandads mate - a tanker - said to me (many years ago) that they switched to firing HE at range over 400yds as the AP would bounce off the big cats but the HE was create “a bloody mess”. This was in Italy. He’d also mentioned constantly passing burning/burnt out German panthers and sometimes a tiger and when they’d looked to see what killed it they found that it was usually abandoned and set on fire by its crew ie no holes in it or blown tracks.
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What made me rather cross was the end of the film and them not mentioning that most of the men involved lost their lives in the war. Hardly a minor point!
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Roger Hill, Captain if HMS Ledbury - one of the escort destroyers - was so appalled at the Royal Navy abandoning the merchant Navy do PQ-17 that he swore never to do it again, even if it meant breaking orders. It was Hill and Ledbury along with HMS Penn that hauled the crippled Ohio into Valletta a few months later thus saving Malta, the Mediterranean and arguably the whole shebang.
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It’s not complicated. Not at all complicated. Pretty bloody straightforward, I reckon. If those rockets had been coming down on New York or Baltimore then I very much doubt he’d have been recruited and lauded, somehow. It’s an insult to those in Europe who were killed by Brauns work. I’m very much with Tom Lehrer on this one.
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Bit disappointed with the pop history slant this channel is taking. The title is just click bait
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Anyone I follow who has the slightest expertise just laughs at the ‘tank is dead!’ Statement.
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Let’s not forget that hindsight is a wonderful thing. With a few different factors in the allies favour it would be heralded as the best manoeuvre ever.
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“…………..Professionals study logistics”
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Spain wasn’t going to join the axis on the basis of this mission. They had weighed up the pros and cons and decided to stay out of it. Pretty major stab in the back for the axis I think. Huge bribes by the UK had a large effect on the Spanish decision to stay out of it. That said, they did a lot to help and sent many thousands of volunteers (to die horrible on the eastern front…….shame, not).
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Cheers. Was about to say same thing. Saved me the job:)
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Good point. The kaiser was obsessed with defeating the RN.
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@drinksnapple8997 Yeah, totally agree but ‘Phyllis’ was a bad tempered bugger (active service since the Abyssinian Crisis will do that to you I suppose) and he pissed a few people off. The Waimarrama rescue alone should have got him the VC. Paint bubbling on the walls inside the ship!, jeez.
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Brilliant piece. Thank you.
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@Boppy-B-B Well, funny you say that because I was just thinking how sometimes you get that bandwagonesque thinking. Ok, sure, the Russians used their tanks poorly but maybe they would have suffered the same anti armour problems if they had? The argument is that the Ukrainians are using tanks properly and so there! But maybe there’s another factor at work and maybe tanks really re going to have to change or evolve or get massacred. They did say the same about air power and armour tbh.
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Why did he think the US and U.K. alliance fall apart I wonder?
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There are some stories of mid air collisions with Jugs where the German plane fell apart and the forty seven be like ‘what was that bump?”
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@権兵衛-e8u I think you need to get your history in chronological order for your argument to make more sense.
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Kill cam is just ghoulish. End of!
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Good point.
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I almost wish the Germans had succeeded given the carnage and suffering that followed.
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Yeah, it’s a good point. After what they did pre and during the war was dreadful. No sympathy. I’m a pretty soppy sort of guy and not vindictive but they asked for what they got and then some!
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So, my theory is this. Germany was dominated by Prussia and Prussia was obsessed with two things (other than war, obviously) hunting and duelling. For hunting and duelling the need for good kit is very important and this is why the Germans were obsessed with things like Tiger and Panther Tanks, MG42s, 262s and V weapons when they really should have been looking at logistics and reliability. As for Von Braun……. We’ll, the Tom Lehrer song says it all!
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Total War.
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I think the U Boat campaign which very nearly took the British out of the war is one that should be mentioned. It was probably the closest the Germans came to taking Britain out of the war. There was also a small battle at the start that bought the British time to fall back in order but I’m buggered if I can remember it’s name. If that had been lost then the British would have had to fight a ‘broken back’ retreat and would have lost most of the BEF.
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Good point but I’d argue that a major European war was inevitable at some point because the German military industrial complex (the worlds first? Rome, maybe?) was always going to go to war at some point as war was it’s reason d’être. The kaiser was utterly obsessed with defeating the RN for one thing.
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Good version on Audible if you’ve a long journey coming up.
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Great story.
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I live just around the corner from the first V2 rocket strike.
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Poor aircraft, poor payload, poor sights, poor defensive armaments and poor tactics and strategy. Poor bastards.
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Good analogy.
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Churchill used British atomic research to barter for the use of the SS Ohio for Operation Pedestal.
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That made me literally LOL.
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Funny how history repeats itself.
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Good question! Germany would have been a Soviet (radioactive?) wasteland. The allied (conventional) bombing would have continued and so would Stalin from the east. The question would have been would uncle Joe have stopped in Germany and just pushed on into, well, everywhere?
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@dovetonsturdee7033 I’ve seen them given for less.
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There are a lot of conflicting accounts of Soviets shooting their own men. Seems that it was generally hugely exaggerated by western sources. However, I have to agree with a certain somewhat controversial historian that the only way to beat a monster like Hitler was to have a monster like Stalin.
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It’s an absolute disgrace that he ended up where he did. This is such a dark episode of history. I mean, in Japan there wasn’t even a Nuremberg equivalent. It disgusting. Love NASA but this is whitewashing and to try to say any different is disingenuous.
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Not sure how I feel about Monty. Seems more like a clever politician than a brilliant general. A bit like Patton, he was given a rep through propaganda rather than actual achievement. That said, he clearly understood the old adage “amateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics”.
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@Boppy-B-B interesting point. I hadn’t considered how they’d treated prisoners in the First World War. I imagine that they were looking to get a place at the wars end table as a result of their collaboration and didn’t want to be seen negatively although I’m guessing here.
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There’s a new trend in WW1 history to portray the generals are more professional and competent. They were neither. Some of them may have been a bit less callous and detached and somewhat more effective in local actions but they were often removed through jealousy and nepotism. British generals were the antithesis of class snobbery and were tactically inept and slow to react to a new situation. French and German brass weren’t much better but this just extended the bloody stalemate. Generals cannot be expected to make battles without losses but to suggest that they weren’t “donkeys’ is only right in that donkeys were very useful.
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@leonpaelinck Isn’t the point though that they had already been detached before the battle of Tannenberg?
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“Machine guns?? Pah!! Charge!”
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@Goulmy86 Agreed. But that small factor:) wouldn’t have stopped the hype.
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The picture at 13:47 is amazing / horrifyingly. Took me a second to see exactly what’s going on. Some of the sailors look so nonchalant - clearly they do t know what’s about to occur.
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So here’s my two pence worth - what if Bomber Command had gone for mass fleets of Mossies instead of the ‘Heavies’?? Accurate and fast. Serious question folks.
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French mutinies were mainly a refusal to attack. They were ‘happy’ to defend but refused to take part in anymore suicidal frontal assaults.
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@nathanstruble2177 And you’re right, of course, but I didn’t have the time or inclination to go into the whole thing of comparing the TT and Nuremberg (US bias/led etc etc) but you re correct and I was being lazy. I should have put that the TT were considerably more expedient regarding post war anti Soviet precautions.
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@frankmiller95 That’s just a bloody daft thing to say. Because I wasn’t there!!! So no one can make a judgement unless they set there? Cobblers. And, with respect to your relatives, I’ll take the historical data over a couple of tales from your family.
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Don McCullum was kicked off the Task Force just before it sailed. Literally, according to him.
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Wow! A actual proper reply with citations! Amazing. Good work, mate:) My overall impression from my reading of WW1 history is that many of the ruling elite in ever country just liked having a war and hd no idea how it was going to develop this time (eg parts of Europe are still no go areas today because of it). Sounds a bit ‘conspiracy theory’ but it’s not meant to be. They’d always had a war or two and nothing really bad happened (to them). So why not have another. Sort out this whole mess, eh? Tragic.
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