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@timothyhallett6312 Are you a bot? Clearly this account must be. Because they haven't took into account the crushing debt, the collapsing of our priceless NHS, the rise in racial hate crimes, The Conservative party controlling the media to mislead people into voting in their favor, examples are (The Daily Mail, The Express, The Telegraph, The Sun) The perfect toilet paper! The Conservative party allowing the mega rich and CEO's to dodge tax without arresting anyone. Allowing Corrupt negotiations with the Russians, Removing human rights from public sector workers and removing the rights from child refugees. Oh! And Scotland will possibly be leaving the UK after Brexit is completed by the end of the year. Putting an end to the UK. If Boris Stops Scotland from leaving the UK, he will be undemocratic, fact. This government i would say is borderline evil. You want me to give you more examples on why they are evil? I will gladly tell you. The UK in it's history has NEVER sank this low before, ever. weather you are a supporter of the torys or not. You will suffer the economic down fall of what was once the UK.
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@robk2167 No. Sorry that is incorrect. I must inform you that Socialism is capitalism with more benefits to the social system. Which might i add has proven highly successful in places such as
Noway, Denmark, Germany, Canada, New Zealand.
All those countries listed use socialist policies, one way or another. And they are among the most happiest nations on Earth as of right now. The Left isn't your enemy. You have been told that we are by conservative media, Such as The Daily Mail, The Express, The Telegraph, The Sun, RT, Sky News, etc. A lot of the UK news paper companies have investments in the conservative party, and they do what they can to influence the working class to vote for the upper class into power. You would've never have been told this, but did you know that true socialism (Which the UK is not ready for yet) Allows working class people to claim ownership of their labor? That means they own shares in the companies they work for. Imagine working for Amazon or Range Rover under a hybrid socialist society? Doesn't sound so bad any more does it? Did you also know that UBI unironically works too? It has been found in the US that UBI stimulates economic growth substantially, because people can afford to invest into their own businesses. Not to also mention that the average mood of civilians increases. I just want what is right for my country. The 99% don't have to be corporate slaves for the ultra rich. Things can be different.
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@WORDFLESHGOD Not exactly.. You see, most of the stuff we consume gets shipped through the EU, like Chinese products for example. Not to mention everything else that actually comes from the EU alone, like medicine, major car brands, food, Security information data, high skilled workers, etc. The list goes on and we are about to lose it all in a few days time. There are very few to no places 'better' than the EU to trade with, this is why we are with them in the first place because of the wealth we receive from being with them. When we leave our wealth is set to drop steeper than it did during WW2! I'm sorry to say, but from the looks of things we will remain that way for a very long time, it will negatively effect the young and current generations for next to no gains. I know my words will never reach some Brexitiers, but all i can say is the warning signs were there from the start. If we take May's deal we would have been better off staying. As for No Deal.. Well.... In my opinion it is rather self explanatory.
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Wow... The reason why China is such a oppressive place to live is all because of the presidency of Xi Jinping! Not because of the Socialist system. China is extremely authoritarian and nationalistic which actually indicates a political right wing stance despite Xi Jinping being called Center Left. This contradicts what a political left individual stands for. UK's reformed Labour party wasn't a dictatorship. It was lead by a democratic socialist, named Jeremy Corbyn. He was the solar opposite to Xi Jinping. Anti-Authoritarian and anti-Nationalistic and pro-internationalist. He wanted to distribute all the UK's wealth through out the majority of the UK by implementing a socialist system which gave workers the rights to claim ownership to the labor they produce. The harder you work for the company you work for, the more money you make on top of your salary. while also ONLY nationalizing essential UK services, like the NHS, the Mail services, the water reserves and the UK railway system. (Which the conservatives copied Labour's idea on nationalizing the railway services. <-- btw) Sounds pretty good right? Oh! Did you also know that Jeremy Corbyn won the International Gandhi Peace Prize for helping to successfully end the Northern Ireland crisis, and thus saving thousands of lives? During the election campaigns, the Right wing media deliberately demonized Corbyn as a scary red communist to make him less electable. All so that the rich elite running these companies could keep their assets and continue dodging tax. Corbyn wanted to put the tax dodgers to justice. This threatened the rich elitists way of life. Most of all these major media companies have connections with conservative MP's too. Companies like. (The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Sun, The Express) Boris Johnson was also bribed a £15,000 Holiday by The Carphone Warehouse over New years eve, While Corbyn remained in the UK handing out gifts to the homeless with a local charity. I despise what crap hole the UK has become, and we lost out on what possibly could have been the best British prime minister in UK history! Democratic Socialism doesn't = Dictatorship/communism.
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@mhffc oh boi! I love destroying false arguments! First off, Starling wasn't a Political Leftist. He was a centrist. Even though he could be seen as a Political Far Right fascist when referred to the types of things he did after the world war II to oppress his own people. You left Hitler out of that equation because you knew he was also a Political Far Right Fascist too. Secondly. Did you know that capitalist western countries have killed millions too? Take the British Empire for example, In the history books it has been propagandized as this glorious country, a societal hero. In reality, the British Empire killed has killed a unimaginable count of civilians, natives and rebels a like! The empire ruled up to 23% of the worlds population. Obtained through invasion, oppression, enslavement and through the means of authoritarian fear. Thirdly! A certain Politically Right wing capitalist named as Winston Churchill, was responsible for killing 3 million people through famine alone! Did you know that? Well now you do. The political right wing have demonized the Left all this time to protect their cultural agenda, mainly for the super rich who are dodging taxes and capitalizing off of the exploitation of others at the top of the societal food chain. Yeah, you heard me. You are protecting the rich elitists. You are giving them free propaganda. Congratulations. You all have been politically cuckholding yourselves.
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@mccari09 That is a generalization. How can you possibly know how they think? Our lives are tough, but so are theirs! Some of them might have been under serious threat before escaping to Europe. There is a reason why they cross the channel and don't stop in the EU.
One is because the majority of them speak English as their second language. Not other EU languages.
Secondly, EU countries can not be expected to house everyone without help from the UK.
Thirdly, a lot of these people make the choice themselves to keep moving to the UK, because they either have family here, or they know they can do particular jobs that our economy provides it's inhabitants.
The vast majority of immigrants who cross the channel want to work, they want to pay taxes. But our crypto-fascist government prevents them from working while they are here. How ironic... Please don't focus on the immigration. If they would've been allowed to immigrate with the right paper work and pay taxes on healthcare and everything else while they becomes citizens over time, they would be doing everyone a valuable contribution. Immigration and multiculturalism does work. America was made the most powerful country in the world off of the back of immigration alone. Immigration is not the CORE problem here. It's the elite. The rich and wealthy bigots in government who are abusing power, stealing taxes and destroying all our social services to make money for themselves. They are the true problem within. THEY are the ones both you and i should focus our attention on. Nigel Farrage being one of them. Trust me on this, things could be SO much better for everybody. Our electorate have just made some very big mistakes in recent years. But it can be reversed. Not quickly. But things can be better than this. So, i'm sorry to hear that things are tough, Honestly. You will be surprised though what is happening under everyone's noses in parliament. It is interesting stuff. Pretty mind blowing really how narratives are used too.
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@adrianlouw2499 Yes.. Tony Blair. That is why i didn't include Tony Blair. He is what we call a Neo-Libral. He wasn't a socialist. He was a corrupt politician too. Still better than what we have right now, but he was still corrupt in his own right. There sadly hasn't been many truly selfless or good politicians over the past. The Only ones who come to mind are,
Jeremy Corbyn
Gordon Brown
Aneurin Bevan - (The one responsible for our NHS)
Ed Miliband
Other than that, i can't think of any other politicians who truly had selfless intentions.
As for people you knew being haters of Gordon, that would likely be unironically the effects of the reactionary news papers building a resistance to progressivism. The Daily Mail is the perfect example of reactionary news media, owned by a Far-Right Australian rich elitist CEO named Rupert Murdoch. He also owns the Sun news papers as well btw. Another subject among the possible demographics you claimed to have been acquaintances with would be immigration? I'm just guessing here, but it can be a common one. Especially up north. When Conservatives say Labour leave immigration "Uncontrolled" That is a fabrication. What we call a strawman argument. I mention this because i feel as though this is a valid point i need to bring up in order to bring back somewhat balance to peoples reflection of what is claimed of the Labour movement. Even during the time the UK was within the EU, we had full control of our boarders regarding immigration. The only free flowing civilians were other EU members, like the rest us. The rest of immigration was heavily regulated. So depending on what they heard and where they got their information from, this would have very likely been one of their main concerns towards Labour. I hope something i said he was useful.
I'm very confident in my information, and if you wish to you can research these things yourself. You will more or less find the same results i have explained above. Thanks for your reasonable discussion man.
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@heidipointer5639 That's not what would happen. The goal and design of Jeremy's democratic Socialist government was to push investment into independent businesses, and gain back public ownership of the privately owned public services that are currently horrifically underfunded. Let's not forget that Socialism is not communism here either. That trick is used a lot by the right wing to convince people that Labour had bad intentions. The conservatives also lied about Labour not being willing to support the army. In reality, it was said that if Labour had won, there would have been a 10% spending boost to our armed forces too. Not only that, but Labour also promised to be very strict on tax dodgers. Making all the god tier and other powerful companies, like Google, Costa, The Daily Mail, The Express and Amazon. They owe the UK hundreds of millions because the conservatives allow them to not pay tax. Our austerity is caused by the Conservative government, because of tax dodging, deliberate under funding of public services to make way for privatization, job cuts to businesses ran by the government, MP's making financial economic cuts to companies so they themselves can be wealthier and indirect damage caused by Brexit.
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@graemewiltshire312 Because of the crushing loss of cash our economy will suffer in the aftermath. Apparently we are set to lose 100 billion per year after Brexit. That is with the best deal we can get right now too. If it turns out to be a no deal, that is too scary to think of to be honest and i just hope it does not come to that. The UK's people also gave one of the most homophobic and racist leader to ever be in the conservative party a majority in parliament as our prime minister, Boris Johnson. The situation the country is in is catastrophically bad. Our Prime minister Boris has already made it illegal to strike as a public railway sector worker. He will soon be Buying out and privatizing the BBC, so he can use it as his own propaganda news channel that only says positive things about him and his right wing policies. He's also continuing to privatize our priceless NHS to wreck and ruin, so his close connections can profit off of the healthcare. Meaning eventually the privatizing will get so bad that NHS will start to priorities profits over patient quality of care. It might also go a step further and go fully private with a insurance based payment system. He is also telling his government to remove more benefits of the sick, ill and vulnerable. A few weeks ago a man dyed in a job center because the government deemed him "fit for work" and removed the benefits he depended on to survive. <--- (That story is especially messed up, and i would consider it a act of evil if you ask me.) Boris Johnson's government is also allowing big companies and CEO's to dodge taxes in the UK too, while the working class have to pay up the shortfall. We have been ranked the one of the most corrupt countries in the world, 2nd to Mexico! It's utterly disgusting. We are basically left with a fascist government. Once the UK has fully left the EU, our minimum standards human rights will be endanger then as well. He has already stated that he is "altering them." To allow him to do this, he is he is ALSO attempting remove the House Of Lords in Parliament so he can make harsh laws and policies without being legally held to account for them. Because of these reasons above, i have lost all passion and patriotism in my country. I now despise being British as a result.
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@Suriya Kassa I can tell that you have never lived under socialism. You only got two parts vaguely correct. Look man, the point of western socialism, isn't to erect a communist dictatorship. It's to give the people more governing power and seize the means of production. Not only hard working people get paid more, but they can also own shares in the companies they work for. = If business does well, so do you. You also get healthcare for almost next to nothing. The NHS is a socialist service. America envies our free healthcare. And what is this free handouts that you speak of? Do you mean UBI? UBI is statistically proven to improve economic growth, because people are less depressed, and have extra money to reinvest in their own business. Everything you have been told by Nigel Farrage and his rich friends is a fabrication to make people support policies that are against their own interests. UK socialism is not going to change a thing about how we run our country, it will still be the same. The only change will be is that people will be happier on avarage and will be wealthier. People like Alan Sugar, Nigel Farrage, Boris Johnson, rupert murdoch, all don't want you ordonary people to have such power.
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@globaleye8 Well if they harbor the same views as you, I would not be surprised. You do realize the form of socialism that Labour were going to implement was based on the Nordic model, right? Part of the intention behind Labour's plans was to start refunding and making the NHS publicly owned again, putting the tax dodgers to justice, and making them pay back the money they were stealing from the UK's economy, making sure all people who are disabled, sick or mentally ill have a benefit they can rely on, investing into small businesses, to create national growth, rehiring the Police officers back in the numbers they should be. etc The list goes on. Is the UK a happy place to live? No. Why is that? It's the extreme capitalist and conservative ideologies that oppresses the working class and makes the majority of the population depressed and or unhappy with the living standards of the environment they are forced to live in. We are currently living under a government that gives no benefit to anyone. The ironic thing is though, Boris Johnson's government has recently adopted some socialist strategies to help fight the Coronavirus. Haha.
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