Comments by "K `" (@user-jt3dw6vv4x) on "Asian Boss"
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This situation has arisen primarily in the US where there is a need to categorise people based on appearance as a result of the country's history fraught with poor race relations. In the US, "Asian" means East Asian and so other Asians who don't fit that image are excuded. This definition also exists in many other Western countries such as Australia and Canada. However, there is much greater awareness that despite looking physically different, Indians and other South Asians are still "Asian" just not the type of "Asian" people immediately think of. In the UK, it's the complete opposite where South Asians are seen as the default Asian.
For South Asians, however, we are aware of the sheer diversity of our community. I am of ethnic Sri Lankan descent and anybody aware of Sri Lanka's diversity will know there are a variety of ethnic groups (Sinhalese, Tamil, Moor, Malay, Eurasian, Vedda, Chinese etc.) on the island. For other people of Sri Lankan descent, they know I am Sri Lankan but for many non-Sri Lankans or non-Asians there is a struggle in understanding certain characteristics of my appearance. I have epicanthic folds (or as understood in a Sri Lankan context, "Malay eyes" or what some may call "almond eyes"). As a result, I have had people assume I belong to other groups are mixed with Southeast Asian groups. People think that almond eyes or East Asian features only exist in East Asia or Southeast Asia but that's not the case. On "South Asian TikTok", I see South Asians who look stereotypically "South Asian", East Asian, Southeast Asian and West Asian. Our features are so diverse.
The idea one is "Asian" based on how they look like doesn't make sense to me and it doesn't make sense to my Southeast Asian friends either. I have Southeast Asian friends who are diverse. One of my SEA friends could be mistaken for "Indian" and I knew a Timorese girl who had dark brown skin and round eyes. A Thai girl on Quora went viral on the platform for encapsulating SEA diversity in one sentence, "There is no other place in the world where you will find Chinese-looking people using their right hand to eat rice or Indian-looking people eating noodles with chopsticks". Asia is a diverse place. The concept of "Asian" is simply about geography and that is how it is understood in Asia. The reason why "Asian" becomes a term to describe appearance outside of Asia is because Asian ethnic groups are minorities. It's a trivial issue to focus on.
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L Yeah I'm not from India but I like Indian culture and history. It's a very interesting country. Tbh, the CCP is really problematic and their behaviour in the Asia-Pacific towards India, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines, Japan and Australia is very concerning. What they did last year is very concerning, it shows that they aren't going to stop. They're so antagonistic and I don't like that all. The CCP supporters on the internet are also very loud, problematic and extremely irritating. I can't even speak to my friend, who lives in mainland China, because the CCP became even more controlling last year with internet access.
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The fertility rates of Singapore's three main ethnic groups look like this: Chinese - 0.94, Indian - 0.97 and Malay - 1.83. The Chinese and Indians have the lowest in Singapore and the Chinese and Indians have been living in Singapore for many generations before the modern nations of China and India were even formed. Chinese, Indians and Malays they all share Singaporean culture. Thus, they are far removed from the cultural psyche of China and India respectively and cannot be compared to places like Canada. It would be like comparing French-Quebec Canadians with French in France. The report you quoted is from 2010 and there are several factors as to why that is now outdated, one of which is that the fertility rate for South Asian women would've declined for natural reasons, it would've been low to begin with considering the people in question would've been of a higher status and thus having probably 2 kids while Chinese immigrants came from a One-Child Policy era China and were used to being an only sibling and thus would've only had 1 kid. Additionally, when we look at the fertility rates in India which now stands at 2 and everywhere else in South Asia, except for Pakistan, it's below replacement level so the idea that the fertility rate of South Asian women in Canada, even with new immigrants, wouldn't have decreased doesn't make sense. It would've decreased and regardless, the difference would've likely been 1 between the two groups anyway. We're talking about higher quality immigrants and then their first generation offspring, who are adapted to the local culture.
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@annegracyliberal7327 The Japanese people generally don't want that. However, with a shrinking workforce, rapidly aging population and declining fertility, the Japanese government has had no choice but to bring people in. However, they're selective of who comes in and they gravitate towards accepting people from other Asian countries due to the cultural similarities. That's why the largest foreign groups in Japan are all Asian (Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Filipino, Nepali). The Japanese government signs agreements with other Asian countries like Nepal, the Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Myanmar and some other South and Southeast Asian countries to allow temporary migration where people temporarily come to work and then go back to their home countries. Generally speaking, Asian countries that allow this form of temporary migration (e.g. Japan, Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan) tend to accept people from other Asian countries.
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Well Asian's not a race anyway and Indians aren't Caucasian either. Genetically speaking, Indians are "mixed race". The first inhabitants of India were an East Eurasian people who are genetically closer to East Asians known as the AASI. Adivasi tribal people in India are comparatively closer to East Asians than most other Indians as they carry the most amount of indigenous South Asian (East Eurasian) ancestry. Most other Indians, on the other hand, carry higher levels of West Eurasian ancestry (which is related to Europeans and Middle Easterners). So in conclusion, Indians are a separate race. They can't be placed into "Caucasoid", "Mongoloid" etc.
India's cultural output is also different. They culturally influenced most of Asia. Most of South Asia (India, Nepal etc.) and Southeast Asia (Thailand, Indonesia etc.) is part of the Indian Cultural Sphere and the spread of Buddhism across Asia transported Indian ideas to East Asia. Imperial Japan tried to colonise India during WW2 and unite it within "Greater East Asia" due to this very fact of cultural commonalities.
Europeans tried to divide and conquer Asia one time and that led to Imperial Japan, they're trying to do it again and now we're having China talk about "Asia for the Asians" all over again. Trying to designate them as a separate entity doesn't do anything, geographically India is in Asia. Asia is just geography, that is all.
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@jameschristophercirujano6650 Yes it's definitely part of SEA cultures, it's not "Indian" but the fact is that India is culturally related to most of Southeast Asia. They're not a world apart. To infer India is not culturally Asian is to infer the base of SEA cultures is not "Asian".
You are also Filipino which is quite different to other SEA (especially mainland SEA) if we're being pedantic. I'm not Indian but I'm ethnically South Asian (Sri Lankan Buddhist) and when we celebrate Songkran at the temple in my country (Australia) we have Thai, Cambodian, Burmese and Malaysian Chinese celebrate with us. Upon finding out I was of ethnic Sri Lankan descent, my Cambodian co-worker began speaking about our similarities as a way to relate to me as I am also a lot younger than him. He also happens to be of ethnic Chinese descent.
I think you, as a Filipino, will find it hard as the Indic influence in the Philippines has rather faded away from modern Filipino society (nobody uses Baybayin for example and those SA/SEA-style shawls you see in old photos are now a thing of the past). I can't speak for Indians but at least for the South Asian Buddhists or those that were historically influenced by Buddhism (Sri Lankan, Nepalese, some Northeast Indians), I can see the similarities we share with both the mainland Indian Hindus and Southeast Asians. Appearance could play a role overseas in the West but see, I have epicanthic folds which has made people think I'm mixed with some Southeast Asian group (and maybe because Sri Lankan Malays exist - I have to do a DNA test to find out) but for me it doesn't affect my view, maybe because South Asians are already very diverse and many SEA are diverse too (I have seen southern Thai and Khmer who look more Indianish than typical SEA).
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The rise of Korean pop culture on the world stage is clearly a sign of the projected Asian Century. For decades, aspects of Asian cultures have entered the mainstream conscience in the rest of the world, particularly the West. We saw the rise in popularity of Buddhism, meditation and Karma (popularised in the West by John Lennon's single "Instant Karma") in the 1970s and the decades after we saw Asian wellness culture (yoga, mindfulness, acupuncture and other traditional Chinese medicine, cupping, gua sha, Thai massage) gain mainstream popularity. In general, we also saw the popularity of symbols and ideas of Eastern religions and a general interest in Eastern spirituality (dating to the 1970s) as well as the rise in popularity of manga and anime. Now, we've entered a new phase in which content in Asian languages have become popular (as seen with the rise of Kpop and Kdramas). Half a decade ago, I never thought Kpop or Kdramas would become popular in the West simply because they are not in English but it really shows how much times have changed.
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Ronnie is Malaysian, it was a joke. Malaysians are of Malay, Chinese, Indian and Orang Asli descent. Why would he think Indians are not Asians when Indians are one the main groups that contributed to the formation of Malaysian culture? Malaysia is after all known as "mini Asia" as a result of this. Also, East Asians don't think Indians are not Asian. In Hong Kong, there is a large community of Indian that settled there during the colonial era and they're known by the Cantonese equivalent of "South Asian". India also culturally influenced large parts of Asia. South Asia and most of Southeast Asia is part of the Indian Cultural Sphere. In the UK and countries in the Gulf and East African nations, "Asian" means Indian. The term is subjective but all of these groups are Asians.
BTW, in Chinese, "Asian" is known as "亞洲人" and refers to everybody from Asia (Chinese, Indian, Japanese, Korean, Thai, Kazakh etc.) but the word "黄种人" means "East Asian race" and is not the same as "亞洲人". If you use, "黄种人" then you are referring to Chinese, Japanese, Koreans etc. (i.e. East Asian people) but if you use "亞洲人" then you are referring to all Asians (i.e. the native ethnic groups of Asia). "黄种人" is racial and "亞洲人" is geographical.
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@Ccb88888 "In Singapore's case, the British colonial authorities were not doing their job properly"
Sorry but why are you talking about the British colonial authorities? Singapore was not under full British rule for at least 10 years before it became the Republic of Singapore in 1965. It was partially self governing from 1955 until 1959 when it became fully self governing, then in 1963 it joined what is now Malaysia before being expelled from the union in 1965. Singapore was nothing but a low income nation in Southeast Asia, surrounded by other low income nations. Lee Kuan Yew marvelled at Ceylon (modern Sri Lanka), particularly of its capital of Colombo. At that time, Ceylon was considered a model ex-British Crown colony and on times that Lee would visit Ceylon, he would make remarks at wanting to create a "Garden City" like what Colombo had become. If Singapore was a middle income nation with good things going for it, Lee would not need to look at Ceylon for inspiration. However, Singapore had nothing and being so small it has no natural resources. Singapore turned itself around due to the sheer need of survival. It is why it is described as one of, if not, the greatest economic miracle of the 20th century.
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