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@SlimJim3082 Rohingyas are not Bengalis
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@dominicj7977 They aren't Bangladeshis. Just goes to show you fell for the Tatmadaw propaganda as you obviously haven't read the Rakhine Buddhist sources about the Rohingyas. Sad,
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@gatorcroco4904 The only Burmese people saying that are people who despise them. I haven't seen a single Bangladeshi online say they're from Bangladesh. Bangladesh wasn't even a country until 1971. It's not after a couple of generations. The Rohingyas sided with the British during the Japanese invasion of Myanmar in WW2 under the belief that they would be given their own nation by the British. The Bamar and Rakhine were appalled and saw the Rohingyas as traitors. Min Aung Hlaing, the general of the Tatmadaw infamously said that the genocide or what he termed the "clearance operation" was "finishing what was started in WW2". Long before that, the Tatmadaw had stripped the Rohingyas off their citizenship in the 1970s and got rid of all Rohingya politicians in the Burmese government. The Tatmadaw peddled misinformation that the Rohingyas were from Bangladesh as a result of their history in WW2 and that the only indigenous Muslim group in Rakhine State are the Kaman. Myanmar until 2011 was the North Korea of Southeast Asia. Nobody knew what was actually going on and even after 2011, the Tatmadaw still had tight control on the country's media and internet. This is why the Rohingya survivors sued Facebook in the 2010s for all of the misinformation that was spread on the platform during h genocide after the platform entered Myanmar without a Burmese language department. Bangladesh provided refuge for the Rohingyas because Bangladesh is the closest nation to Rakhine State in Myanmar.
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@rodrozil6544 Rohingyas themselves are a mix of Indo-Aryan and Tibeto-Burman ancestry which is why some Rohingyas look similar to majority Bamar like Wai Wai Nu who is Rohingya and Bengalis have mixed Tibeto-Burman and Austroasiatic ancestry. That entire region of Asia is a mix of Indo-Aryan, Tibeto-Burman and Austroasiatic ancestral components. I seriously cannot believe what you tried to do. Make this about an American-influenced idea of what "Asian" means and talk about Japan and South Korea as if they have anything to do with this. Japan was one of the first Asian countries to accept Rohingya refugees back in the 2000s as permanent settlers.
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The Rohingya genocide wasn't done in the name of Buddhism. It's the result of Bamar nationalism, which is also why other minority groups in Myanmar like Shan (who are Buddhist too) are facing persecution and their villages burned with thousands having fled to Thailand over the years. You must do a little more research on Myanmar's crises.
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So all Rohingyas behave like this? Is that what you're saying?
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@JD-fx9ly Nobody in Myanmar is committing violence in the name of Buddhism. I think people in the West are preoccupied with identity politics so that's why people want to view this through the lens of religion without taking time to actually understand why Myanmar is suffering. By making this about religion, you're unknowingly negating all of the other atrocities occurring in the country because they don't fit your narrative. Please don't do that. Myanmar already barely gets any attention or support and it has faced the brunt of misinformation since 2017 and Rohingyas sued Facebook as a result of blatant misinformation that resulted in their genocide, so please do not add more to it.
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@dominicj7977 This goes to show how little you know about Burmese society. Burmese people are physically diverse. There are indigenous groups in Myanmar like the Kaman and Maramagyi that look don't look so-called "Mongoloid". There are Burmese Bamar military generals in the Tatmadaw that look more similar to Rohingyas than they do to most other Burmese Bamar people like Major General Soe Naing Oo. Rohingyas themselves carry partial Tibeto-Burman ancestry, that's why some of them look more "Mongoloid" like Wai Wai Nu, pro-democracy activist in Myanmar who is Rohingya. There are Bengalis that look more like "Mongoloid". That entire region is mixed. You're obsessed with appearance. Are you an Indian?
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@rodrozil6544 Convince who?? 💀South Korea and Japan??? So you're saying Rohingyas and Bengalis are not Asians? Lmfaoooo what???? Rohingyas and Bengalis are native to Asia, so they're Asian. I actually cannot believe this. There are ethnic groups and people from majority Bamar people in Myanmar that look more similar to Bengali/Rohingya but with lighter skin like Burmese military general, Soe Naing Oo and actor Hugo Naing, both of whom are from majority Bamar community. Kaman people are indigenous to Myanmar but look more similar to Rohingyas and speak Arakanese. There are Maramagyi Buddhist people, native to Myanmar but look more similar to Rohingyas but with lighter skin.
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@jooleebilly The Rohingya genocide and other forms of violence towards ethnic minorities in Myanmar is the result of Bamar nationalism that supports the idea that Myanmar belongs to the Bamar and everybody else must be Burmanised. It's ethnonationalism and isn't related to religion because the Tatmadaw/Bamar nationalists also persecute ethnic minorities who practice Buddhism like Shan, Rakhine and Karen. Almost every ethnic minority group in Myanmar has faced some sort of persecution, big or small, as a result of Bamar nationalism and Bamar privilege.
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@kookoo9235 It's literally right wing populism though. The Rohingya genocide and other forms of violence towards ethnic minorities in Myanmar is the result of Bamar nationalism that supports the traditional idea of Bamar hegemony over Myanmar and this idea that Bamar identity must be protected. Bamar nationalism shares ties with other right wing nationalist movements in Asia like in Sri Lanka and Thailand. They also believe Asian Buddhists face an existential crisis because the fertility rates of Buddhist women across Asia are very low (particularly in Japan, South Korea, China, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Bhutan and Vietnam) and data shows that Buddhists will be the only major religious group to not grow in absolute numbers over the next couple of decades. Their anger is directed towards Islam because Muslim women have a much higher fertility rate and historically speaking, large parts of South and Southeast Asia that were once followers of Buddhism are now Muslim-majority, coupled with the way Islam was introduced into South Asia, it's generated anger among right wing nationalists in different parts of the region. Their ethnic and cultural identity is tied with Buddhism. Buddhism is a part of their cultural heritage, they may not even understand the basic teachings of the Buddha but still identify as "Buddhist". So when they see their low fertility rates, they fear that they will go extinct. Their anger and violence comes from a place of ethnonationalism and the desire to maintain control. It all stems from right wing beliefs that contrast with the Bamar Buddhists who want to make Myanmar a country for all Burmese people, not just Bamar.
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@fortpark-wd9sx Arakanese people are different to Arakanese Muslims. Arakanese people are Buddhists and they are ethnically very similar to the majority Bamar people of Myanmar. Rohingyas are Arakanese Muslims. Arakanese Buddhists (Rakhine) are absolutely not Rohingyas and nobody would ever confuse the two. As I said in my second comment, Burmese people are diverse. Rohingyas look very similar to most Bangladeshi and in a way it can be hard to tell the difference but the same can be said of other Burmese groups like Kaman and Maramagyi Buddhists, both of whom are native to Myanmar and yet look more similar to most Bangladeshis than most Burmese. I'm confused as to what you mean by "Bangladeshi features". If you think I'm confused, what do you think Rohingyas look like? Do you think they look drastically different to Bangladeshis that nobody should be able to confuse the two? Sorry, I'm trying to understand why you think this way. As I explained before, there are people in the majority Bamar community who, to foreigners, would look more similar to typical Bangladeshis than to most other Burmese like Major General Soe Naing Oo or Burmese actor, Hugo Naing. There are Rohingyas who look more similar to most other Burmese like Wai Wai Nu and there are some Bangladeshis that look closer to most Burmese. That entire region of Asia is a mix of Indo-Aryan, AASI, Tibeto-Burman and Austroasiatic groups.
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@rodrozil6544 They DON'T speak Bengali! They speak Rohingya! Use Google!
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@SlimJim3082 No they don't
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@Hayesaxib I think you responded to the wrong person because Rohingyas are not newly arrived migrants, as I said in my other comment. That person who is saying they are is Burmese and they are one of those Burmese people that believes they are recent migrants, they echo the same beliefs of the Tatmadaw that is currently ruling Myanmar who believe Rohingyas are immigrants and that the only native Muslims in Rakhine, Myanmar are Kaman (Kamein) people.
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@justanerd414 The genocide against Rohingyas and other forms of violence towards ethnic minorities in Myanmar is the result of Bamar nationalism that supports the idea that Myanmar belongs to the Bamar and everybody else must undergo Burmanisation. It's ethnonationalism and isn't related to religion because the Tatmadaw/Bamar nationalists also persecute ethnic minorities who practice Buddhism like Shan, Rakhine and Karen. They want everybody to practice Bamar culture and be culturally adjacent to the Bamar. Many ethnic minorities in Myanmar have faced Burmanisation for decades like the Mon and Karen. Some groups in Myanmar that are already culturally and linguistically related to the Bamar like the Rakhine and Kaman (who are officially classified as part of the Rakhine race but are Muslims, they also look similar to Rohingyas but with lighter skin) have still faced persecution (particularly the Rakhine) and this is because they want to protect their own identities, which is still unique.
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That's cause they benefit from Tatmadaw control of Myanmar. The fact is that India, China, Japan and Singapore will turn a blind eye to anything in Asia as long as it benefits them. They still make money, so why bother? That's their attitude. China has changed its tune because it needs access to the Bay of Bengal and instability in Myanmar will mean it can't pursue its plans. So now China is backing some of the rebel groups in the north fighting the military.
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@jesseberg3271 Why are you making stuff up??? Shintoism was the state religion of Imperial Japan, not Buddhism and reincarnation is a common belief across many Asian cultures, it's not a solely Buddhist belief.
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Thailand and Myanmar don't like each other.
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@fortpark-wd9sx What Rodro Zil said is not correct lmfaooo. It just proves how little he knows about Myanmar or Asian countries in general. He seems to infer that Rohingyas are not Asians because they are related to Bengalis, who are Asians themselves. He seems to base this on appearance which is not correct either because as I already said there are people from the majority Bamar Tatmadaw that look more similar to Rohingyas who are persecuting Rohingyas.
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@rodrozil6544 What are you even doing? Why is there so much hatred in your heart? Actual Burmese Buddhist people are telling you the real facts and you're here still trying to convince us that what you're saying is true. Not all people in Myanmar speak Tibeto-Burman languages! It's a diverse country, the first people in Myanmar were Austroasiatic Mon, everybody else came later. However, to say that Rohingyas are not native to Myanmar just because they speak an Indo-European language is NOT true! Maramagyi people in Myanmar speak a language that is classified as Indo-European and yet they are native to Myanmar and culturally related to majority Rakhine people. What does genetic testing prove? It proves that Rohingyas like many others in this region of Asia have ancestry related to AASI, Tibeto-Burman, Austroasiatic and Indo-Aryan.
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@jesseberg3271 Yes they are but that has absolutely NOTHING to do with this. After the Meiji restoration, the Meiji government ordered that Shintoism be separated from Buddhism in what was known as shinbutsu bunri, that meant all temples and shrines legally had to be separated an that Shintoism must be viewed separately from Buddhism in order to create a purely indigenous national identity. The Meiji government implemented State Shinto and became the state religion for Imperial Japan. Shinto shrines were integrated into political functions and ideological Shintoism emerged. State Shinto became the driving force for Imperial Japan and its deep connection to Imperial Japan led to the Shinto Directive in 1945 after the way where the occupation forces demanded Japan abolish Shintoism as the state religion. It was NOT Buddhism. Make sure you actually understand what's going on before speaking on these topics please.
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@jesseberg3271 Shintoism and Buddhism still remain interconnected today but during the time of the Meiji government and Imperial Japan, they were legally separated and State Shinto was the state religion. Buddhism was not the state religion. All divinely orders were ordered through State Shinto, not Buddhism. The impact of State Shinto was felt in the occupied territories in Asia, it was not Buddhism. So no, your comment is 100% incorrect.
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I find your comment to be utterly hilarious as it shows that you don't actually understand what's going on lmfaooooo. Hui Muslims live peacefully in China without an issue. In Myanmar, there are many other Muslim minorities like Kaman and Bamar Muslims who are recognised and live peacefully.
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@micol2434 What did they sow? Tell me.
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@rodrozil6544 Bangladeshis are NOT Caucasians, even if we were to use that outdated terminology, they'd be a mix of Caucasian, Australoid and Mongoloid DNA
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@JD-fx9ly It's not Buddhist violence. In fact, it has nothing to do with it. You're trying very hard to categorise everything per your own cultural perspective because it's easier for you to understand but do not care to understand the root cause of Myanmar's issues. This is an ethnic issue, please Google and learn about Bamar nationalism and Burmanisation, the policy the Tatmadaw has been pursuing for decades. All ethnic groups that are not Bamar are subject to it and that includes other ethnic groups that also follow Buddhism.
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@Xiaa_Jyoti_xingpho That was done by ARSA in the 2010s but that is not happening anymore and ordinary Rohingyas don't support ARSA.
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@SiGa-i1r Nowhere in Buddhism does it justify treating someone badly because of "bad karma". Stop lying!
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@SiGa-i1r It's also the reason why other groups in Myanmar like Bamar Musims are treated with more respect because Bamar Muslims are culturally related to the Bamar Buddhists, they dress the same, eat the same food and speak the same language. Bamar leaders have infamously spoken about their fear of disappearing. They infamously spoke on the behalf of newly independent Asian nations in the 1940s such as Sri Lanka, that their countries are the only places in the world where their people reside and that they don't want to be absorbed by the larger countries like China and India. Burmanisation is very similar to the process of Sinicisation undertaken in China. (Part 2/2)
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That has nothing to do with Theravada Buddhism and it's really wrong of you to spread misinformation. Lao people are Theravada Buddhists. Sri Lanka's civil war has nothing to do with religion. It was Sinhalese (who were both Buddhists and Christians) against Tamils (who were both Hindus and Christians). It was an ethnic conflict spurred by linguistic changes and Sinhalese nationalist beliefs that they must undo the "wrongs" of the colonial era. Pol Pot's violent genocide has nothing to do with Theravada Buddhism. Idk why you would even bring that up. Myanmar didn't justify anything in the name of Theravada Buddhism. How can you say that when other minority groups in Myanmar like the Shan, Rakhine and Karen (who also all practice Theravada Buddhism) are facing persecution just like the Rohingyas? The mental gymnastics to make this about a sect in Buddhism, even when Mahayana beliefs, are still widely practiced in all of these countries instead of actually understanding the root cause of all of these different issues is crazy to me.
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@pyaephyoaung3408 Agreed with everything you said except for the last part. Rohingyas are not Bengalis.
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@fortpark-wd9sx So according to you Rohingyas who look more like typical Bangladeshis are foreigners and Rohingyas who look more like typical Bamar are the real Rohingyas? The Western obsession with appearance and race is quite suffocating. So what about the other Burmese who are native to Myanmar but don't look like typical Bamar? Are they no longer Burmese too? The thing is that you need to understand that the entire region of South and Southeast Asia is mixed. You're talking about nose and eye shapes but using stereotypes to define these qualities and the ethnic groups they are associated with.
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@rodrozil6544 Indo-European is a LANGUAGE FAMILY. It's not a race. Maramagyi people speak an Indo-European language whose culture is related to Rakhine people as well as to Bangladeshi Buddhists, they are native to Rakhine and officially classified as part of the Rakhine nation. Rakhine people even clearly point out how they are not like Rohingya people even though they look similar to them.
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@fortpark-wd9sx You still haven't explained to me why people like Soe Naing Oo Hugo Naing look the way that they do. You haven't been able to explain to me why Maramagyi look the way that they do or the Kaman. You haven't been able to explain my friends family, nothing. Why? How can the Tatmadaw be 1% correct on this issue? You don't even know what the issue is. 💀 You literally think Rakhine people are Rohingyas when Rohingyas and Rakhine people are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Idk why people love to insert themselves into issues they don't actually understand.
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@fortpark-wd9sx What is your obsession with the MSM? Seriously, what is your obsession? This has nothing to do with the MSM and yet you keep talking about it. Why is it that you cannot answer a single one of my questions? Tell me why on earth does Soe Naing Oo look more like a Bangladeshi despite being BAMAR??? ANSWER IT! ☠☠
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@rodrozil6544 The Arakan Kingdom literally acknowledges the Arakanese Muslims! They include the Rohingyas! Don't just peddle misinformation and what on earth has Indo-European got to do with this? There is an indigenous Burmese Buddhist minority group that is part of the Rakhine nation that speaks a language that is classified as Indo-European. Also, there is a Rohingya minister that is part of the NUG, Aung San Suu Kyi's government and the NUG has clearly said they want to reintegrate Rohingyas back into Burmese society. There were public demonstrations in 2021 showing support for Rohingyas. The world has moved on. Learn about Burmese society and history!
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@ogolow570 That's not true at all. It has nothing to do with their genetics or appearance, it's to do with culture. Kaman Muslims look exactly like Rohingyas but with light brown skin but their culture is more similar to Bamar Buddhists and the language they speak (Arakanese) is closely related to Burmese. Tatmadaw of Myanmar believes in Burmanisation and so groups that are culturally unrelated to Bamar face persecution in hopes that they will become Burmanised. Hui are also closely related to Han Chinese in language and culture. Same thing in China, Sinicisation means that all groups culturally unrelated to Han face persecution in order to be Sinicised. China wants the Uyghur to be Sinicised and their practice of Islam must be compatible with Han Chinese culture just like Hui who practice a moderate form of Islam with significant Han Chinese influence in their culture. Rohingyas are Indo-Aryan mixed with Tibeto-Burman, Rohingyas don't all look the same. Some Rohingyas look more like the majority of Bamar Buddhists like Wai Wai Nu who is a pro-democracy activist of Rohingya descent. Also, Bamar Buddhists are diverse, some of them look remarkably closer to the majority of Rohingya like Major General Soe Naing Oo and Burmese actor, Hugo Naing. Same thing with Uyghurs, some Uyghurs look more similar to Han Chinese. It's do with culture rather than appearance, only some government officials in Myanmar have made unjust remarks about Rohingyas and called them anti-Muslim slurs but I would say that's the result of Rohingyas in the 1940s campaigning to become part of Pakistan, which is why the Rohingya Hindus and Christians are treated better than their Muslim counterparts. It also explains why in the past Kaman were xenophobic towards Rohingyas. Until 2021, many viewed Rohingya Muslims as traitors.
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@nanonano2595 Your comment is the best comment in this entire comment section. Thank you for posting this.
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@AmandaabnamA Thank you for posting this, I'm glad there are still some kind hearted people. I feel like I'm the only one defending Rohingyas now under these types of videos but I'm glad to see a few more.
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@rohitanshukhilar1904 and in Canada, Indian international students and new Indian immigrants are scamming elderly people, getting free food from food banks which is meant for the poor, partaking in organised crime, being disruptive in public and committing drive by shootings on cinema complexes because different Indian ethnic groups are bringing their rivalry to Canada and fighting with each other. Does that mean all Indians are like this????
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@Kazim28 Well it's outdated because no, Bengalis are not Caucasoid because even if we were to accept that reality then autosomal DNA studies would tell us that they are mixed. Bengalis are descendants of West Eurasian (Europe-Mid East-related) components and East Eurasian components (indigenous South Asian hunter-gatherer, Tibeto-Burman and Austroasiatic Farmers). Only Europeans and West Asians are predominantly of West Eurasian descent.
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@Kazim28 Do you think all South Asians look the same? Bangladeshis don't look European or West Asian, they wish they did lmfao. What even is this? The second hand embarrassment I'm feeling right now, you want to be European/West Asian so bad. Mainland South Asians are so...
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@JOJO-yd7qs Idk why people from the West for some reason think their experiences are the same as what happens in Asia. OP's comment is blatant exaggeration and xenophobia. The only reason why they helped was because of their shared faith of Islam.
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@SEAZNDragon Most Burmese citizens don't endorse it anymore. They did in the past because the Tatmadaw had control of the media and internet and so they spread propaganda. You may recall a few years ago, Rohingyas sued Facebook for not deleting misinformation about the Rohingyas in the lead up to and during the genocide. Before 2021, Burmese citizens only new Facebook as the internet as the Tatmadaw had tight control over the country. After the coup, everything changed. Many Burmese held protests in solidarity for the Rohingyas in 2021 and publicly apologised as well as organised a social media campaign (#Black4Rohingya). Aung San Suu Kyi's NUG has a Rohingya minister and the NUG has said they want to reintegrate Rohingyas as one of the national ethnic groups of Myanmar. Before all of this there were Bamar people who supported the Rohingyas like Maung Zarni, a human rights activist that has always supported the Rohingyas even when the Tatmadaw was feeding propaganda to ordinary Burmese.
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It's got nothing to do with Buddhism. The genocide against Rohingyas and other forms of violence towards ethnic minorities in Myanmar is the result of Bamar nationalism that supports the idea that Myanmar belongs to the Bamar and everybody else must undergo Burmanisation. It's ethnonationalism and isn't related to religion because the Tatmadaw/Bamar nationalists also persecute ethnic minorities who practice Buddhism like Shan, Rakhine and Karen. They want everybody to practice Bamar culture and be culturally adjacent to the Bamar. Many ethnic minorities in Myanmar have faced Burmanisation for decades like the Mon and Karen.
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@BHTQ18 North Korea and China are controlled by communist governments that are atheist. Japan's war crimes in WW2 was done with Shintoism as the state religion, not Buddhism. Please use Google to learn a more about East Asian history and society.
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@MinThant-w2u Thank you for your comment. I really hope things get better for all Burmese people and the NUG comes back to power. I have forever been on the side of all Burmese ethnic groups - Bamar and all the ethnic minorities in and outside of the country.
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@dreamsalamander Your explanation was perfect, I actually agree with it but yeah to add more context, it's more the result of ethnic nationalism. For Bamar identity, Bamar culture and Buddhism are intertwined, so in a way to be Bamar is to be Buddhist, if that makes sense. Bamar nationalists say that Myanmar is only home to Bamar people (which is true) so they fear that they will be wiped out by bigger ethnic groups, religions and countries and this has always been a thing since Myanmar became independent. A Burmese leader once infamously expressed fear on behalf of Myanmar, Sri Lanka and other southern Asian countries about the fear of being absorbed into the spheres of India or China. So it's very much about protection of their identity and that mean Bamar Buddhist identity. Having said that, it's also very ethnocentric and discriminatory because Bamar nationalists believe everybody in Myanmar must adhere to Bamar culture so that's why other minority groups besides Rohingyas face discrimination too like the Shan and Kachin (both of whom also follow Buddhism). It's also why Bamar Muslims have never faced extreme hate because despite being Muslims, culturally they are the same as Bamar Buddhists in terms of the way they dress, their food and their language. Their mosques also harbour a lot of Burmese Buddhist influenced architecture.
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@Seevawonderloaf Except this isn't to do with religion unless you're talking about something else I said.
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@SiGa-i1r This shows that you have a superficial understanding of that concept and what exactly has that got to do with anything here??? Why do non-Asians pretend to care about Asian issues without actually taking the time to understand what's going on?
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@SiGa-i1r Without proof? I literally explained the reason, it's Bamar nationalism. Go read my other comments before arguing with me!
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@SiGa-i1r What you're doing is creating false conclusions to justify what you're seeing even though I fully explained what has happened. You don't even understand the concept of reincarnation in Buddhism and you're coming to these conclusions and trying to claim the reason why Rohingyas are being persecuted is because of reincarnation. Are you serious rn????
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@SiGa-i1r Here is your reply. READ. Bamar nationalism is the root cause of this issue. Tatmadaw believes that all ethnic groups in Myanmar must be Burmanised and assimilated into Bamar identity or adjacency to Bamar culture. This is why so many minority groups face persecution in Myanmar, NOT just Rohingyas but also the Shan and Karen, both of whom practice Buddhism. In addition to multiple other groups along the frontier regions of Myanmar. (Part 1/2)
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@davidbowie5023 No it absolutely does not. You're trying so hard to make this into a religious sect issue when that is NOT the case. Your whole argument is flawed but the fact that you spoke about Pol Pot, the leader of a communist regime and somehow tied his violent behaviour to Theravada Buddhism is truly absurd, no offence. Also, no person in Myanmar claimed they were fighting for Theravada. 💀 Do you think I was born yesterday?
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@davidbowie5023 How can you literally spread misinformation? You do NOT care one bit about the atrocities in Myanmar because if you did, you wouldn't be here sitting behind a screen spreading misinformation. By spreading this misinformation you're negating the reality that minority groups like the Shan, Karen and Rakhine have faced for decades and you know what?? They're all THERAVADA Buddhists. So if you say the Tatmadaw is fighting for Theravada Buddhism, why on earth are Shan villages being burned to the ground? Why are there thousands of Shan people living in refugee camps in Thailand? Why has the Tatmadaw increased their violence towards Rakhine people? Why are Karen people facing GENOCIDE?
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@davidbowie5023 Instead of peddling misinformation, learn about the atrocities in Myanmar and other Southeast and South Asian countries if you truly care. Don't sit behind a screen with your David Bowie fan account whilst you live a life of privilege truly unaware of what people in Myanmar are facing. You will NEVER face the type of pain, fear and destruction that Shan, Karen or Rakhine people are facing and plenty of others in Myanmar face. You weaponise the heinous genocide against the Rohingyas to spread your agenda but you DON'T care one bit about what the Rohingyas have faced at the hands of the Tatmadaw and what they currently face at the hands of cruel people in Indonesia and Malaysia. Do better!
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@davidbowie5023 I can tell you aren't an Asian Buddhist cause your infatuation with Buddhist sects is very telling. No lay person who is a Buddhist cares this much about sects because at the end of the day, the core teachings are the same. I hadn't even though about the sects of Buddhism in a long time until I saw your comment. Mahayana was once widespread across Asia before Theravada became popular and yet despite that, Mahayana beliefs still persist in all of the countries where Theravada Buddhism is dominant. Additionally, Buddhist temples are not segregated along sect lines. In countries like Singapore and Malaysia, where there are people who practice Mahayana and Theravada Buddhism exist, you will find so many different cultures that practice different sects at the same temple listening to Dharma talks and partaking in guided meditation. Your obsession with Buddhist sects is extremely peculiar and I just know for a fact that you're a Western person.
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@davidbowie5023 So not only are you speaking about something you don't understand, you're also finding ways to attack me personally. You're doing a great job showing me the type of person you are. What radical sects? The fact that you're talking about Islam and Christianity here really shows me that you're way out of line to be talking about Buddhism in Asia. Why are you trying to put two and two together in order to peddle a false narrative? Your hate is extremely palpable. The Sri Lankan Civil War has NOTHING to do with Theravada Buddhism and if you actually took the time to understand the conflict, you'd realise it stems from linguistic and ethnic differences. You'd also realise that it stems from Sinhalese supremacy, a concept that includes people of different religions that are ethnically Sinhalese. Nobody went to any Sangha to receive blessings because to inflict violence, don't spread lies because per your logic, the same could be said about Prabhakaran who was a practising Christian. Thaificiation is not connected to Theravada Buddhism lmfao. Are you aware of the fact that many aspects of traditional Thai culture are Hindu in origin? Your obsession with sects is so insane because in Asia, syncretism is a huge thing and the differences between sects are not felt because local religions like Buddhism are syncretised with native or other local beliefs like Hinduism or folk religion. Why are you doing this??? Don't use the Southern Thailand insurgency to push your agenda please. The issue in the deep south is between Malay separatists who want independence from Thailand and the conflict between the Thai government and the Malay separatists. You still don't get it do you? If this is all about Theravada Buddhism, why on earth is the Tatmadaw persecuting the Shan, Rakhine, Karen etc. all of whom practice Theravada Buddhism???? You can't find a single answer to this so your next form of attack is to criticise me and use ad hominems to put me down. Lmfaoooo I actually can't believe this. You are a Western person with an East Asian fetish. I cannot believe you just made this about the economic standing of South/Southeast Asia and East Asia, which has NOTHING to do with Buddhism. Buddhism is not the state religion of any of these countries and your logic makes absolutely no sense because Bhutan practices a different form of Buddhism, that can be classified as Mahayana, to Sri Lanka or Thailand and yet both countries are more socially and economically well off than Bhutan. Only a Western person obsessed with identity politics would say such things and not realise how funny it sounds. There are millions of Theravada Buddhists ethnic groups in southern China and the Chinese government is literally atheist and yet you're making this about sects in Buddhism. You're so interested in making this about sects that you don't even care to learn that Mahayana beliefs are still practiced in Thailand, Sri Lanka, Myanmar etc. etc. like the worship of Guanyin. You also don't realise that there is a sangha in East Asian countries like Taiwan. Here's a word of advice, don't speak on Asian issues if you don't actually understand what's going on in Asia.
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@davidbowie5023 The nerve, the audacity, the belief that you have a right to spread divisive divide and conquer beliefs that your ancestors were famed for in Asia in the 18th century. I actually cannot believe you just made this about sects and also said it's "more strict". It's more strict for the monks. What's not clicking? Don't go to Google and think you know everything from top to bottom when you don't. Why are all weebs like this?
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@davidbowie5023 Lmfaoooo at this weeb saying it's because of Theravada Buddhism. So if that's the case, why on earth is the Tatmadaw persecuting Shan, Karen, Rakhine etc. etc. all of whom practice Theravada Buddhism???? Logic left the chat. Stop obsessing over Asians please.
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@fortpark-wd9sx I really have no idea where to start. Your heart seems to be full of hatred for them. So according to you just because you hadn't heard of the term "Rohingya" before Obama in 2012 (which I have no idea what is so significant about that because we're talking about an Asian issue here), it means that the term does not exist?
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@fortpark-wd9sx The native people of South and Southeast Asia are the AASI and Hoabinhian, they are both of East Eurasian origin. Later, Austroasiatic and Tibeto-Burman speakers migrated into eastern South Asia and Southeast Asia where they mixed with the natives. These two linages are also of East Eurasian origin and thus distantly related to the AASI and Hoabinhian. West Eurasian Neolithic Farmers and Steppe pastoralists (associated with Indo-Aryan languages) made their way into South Asia and into western Myanmar where they also mixed with the natives. Those eye shapes and nose shapes you talk about are present among so many ethnic groups in South and Southeast Asia that carry predominantly East Eurasian ancestry, including tribal Indian Adivasi groups that carry mostly AASI ancestry in addition to the dark skinned Maniq, Semang and Aeta in Southeast Asia. Those same features are also present among many Bangladeshis because yes, that's right, they carry a lot of AASI, Austroasiatic and Tibeto-Burman ancestry - just like the Rohingyas. You're trying so hard to divide up people based on appearance (it's giving Nazi/Hitler) but it's so bizarre to me when we're literally talking about Myanmar and Bangladesh, the area of Asia where Tibeto-Burman, Austroasiatic, AASI and Indo-Aryan merge. I can't believe your theory is that Bangladeshi-looking Rohingyas are fake and Bamar-looking Rohingyas are real. I've never heard of such a thing until I saw your comment.
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@fortpark-wd9sx There is a native Muslim group who are classified as Rakhine nation called Kaman Muslims and they look just like Rohingyas but with lighter skin. So are they Bangladeshis too? It's so surreal for me to see someone claim that real Rohingyas are those who look Bamar and fake Rohingyas are those who look like typical Bangladeshis. What part of "Rohingyas are a mix of Indo-Aryan and Tibeto-Burman and AASI components" do you not understand?
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@fortpark-wd9sx All this talk about MSM, what about listening to Burmese people and those of the region and read Burmese publications like Frontier Myanmar and learn about Burmese society? Why create these out of this world claims about the MSM and try to divide up Rohingyas into those who look more like typical Bangladeshis and those who look more like typical Bamars? That is the most bizarre thing. Wai Wai Nu's parents look like typical Bangladeshis and yet she looks more like typical Bamar? How do you explain that?
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@fortpark-wd9sx You say you've read so much about Myanmar and yet I don't know how it is possible for you to make so many errors. Rakhine people (once known as Arakanese) are completely different to Rohingyas. Nobody is going to confuse the two. Literally NOBODY. Arakanese Muslims is an archaic term to describe the Muslim groups of Arakan: two main groups Kaman and Rohingyas. Prime Minister U Nu of Myanmar used the term "Rohingyas" all the way back in the late 1940s and you're here trying to tell that nobody used that term until 2012??????
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@fortpark-wd9sx You pretend to know so much but can't even be convincing in your arguments. You say the "MSM is confusing Arakanese, including Arakanese Muslims, with Bangladeshis" and "it's aLl bAseD oN aPpEarAnCE". If you're going to go down this path, at least be accurate. Kaman Muslims are a separate ethnic group but nationally represented as part of the Rakhine Nation, they literally look like Rohingyas but their culture and language are closer to Bamar. So are they Bangladeshis too?? About the Bamar names, Rohingyas have either Arabic names or they Bamar names or they have an Arabic/Islamic name and a Bamar name. So when you say, "they have Bamar style names", that's cause that's their name and I seriously cannot believe you're associating name with appearance. So tell me why does Tatmadaw general So Naing Oo look more closer to Bangladeshis but have a Bamar name and is of Bamar descent???
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@fortpark-wd9sx I seriously cannot believe this White person is trying to tell me that real Rohingyas look like typical Bamar and fake Rohingyas look like typical Rohingyas and yet tells me that it knows all about Burmese history. So if it does, then why on earth is it making this about appearance and literally pushing the most bizarre Hitlerian-level claims ever? Why can't it answer to any of the other points I've made about other Burmese people who look more like Bangladeshis but are native to Myanmar and to the very fact that the entire eastern South Asia/western Southeast Asia region is a mix of several different components?
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@fortpark-wd9sx Bangladesh keeps quiet? Where have you been? 💀💀They have been so loud ever since the genocide, first they reluctnantly accepted them as did many other neighbouring nations in the region like Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. The Bangladeshis put them in Kutupalong refugee camp, then we heard the Bangladeshi people were getting tired of them because the Bangladeshi government tried to move them to an uninhabited island while they held talks with the Tatmadaw and now they're once again leaving Bangladesh to get to other countries in the region and you're here telling me Bangladesh has kept silent? Why are you lying? You say you know what you're talking about but you DON'T. The only thing you're doing here is making the most bizarre claims about appearance as a way to divide people of the same ethnic group and this bizarre claim about the MSM. MSM? Go read Burmese publications, go watch Burmese news (even if you can't understand Burmese), stop talking about the MSM and creating bizarre Hitlerian claims about a country that is suffering purely because of the British and what they did when Myanmar was invaded by the Japanese.
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@fortpark-wd9sx Since you're so hung up on appearance, a testament to those Hitlerian tendencies, tell me are the "real Bengalis" the ones that look more like typical Bengalis and the Bengalis who look more like Bamar "fake Bengalis" from Myanmar? Let's do this with the Bamar too. So are the Tatmadaw generals that look different to the typical Bamar like Major General Soe Naing Oo from Bangladesh? What about Heinn Thit or May Myatt Noe, both famous Bamar actors? They must be Bangladeshi mix breed, right? Should we talk about Thai? There can be physical differences between Southern Thai, Central Thai and Northern Thai. What about Newar from Nepal? Acehnese from Indonesia? Hmm, Khmer from Cambodia is a notable one. You going to answer these questions or pretend you can't see what I've sent?
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@fortpark-wd9sx How can I write shorter sentences when I have to make corrections on what you're saying? Your worldview is based on biases and fails to recognise that there is a lot of diversity in these countries. You have a stereotypical view of how people from these countries look so anything you're not used to, you think they're foreigners. Living among Bangladeshis and seeing Bamar or Thai people does not make you an expert if you don't even know about the wide variety of ethnic groups and/or phenotypes present among these groups. Miss Chai Nat 2023, Alisa Arunahiran who was a Miss Universe Thailand contestant does not look like typical Thai but she is 100% Thai. If you saw her on the street, you're going to think she was a foreigner because she doesn't fit your idea of what Thai people look like even though she is literally ethnically Thai. Do you see how strange that sounds? You think Rohingya who don't look Bamar are foreigners from Bangladesh. The reality is not a single Rohingya can pass as Bamar, some of them have physical traits similar to Bamar but no Bamar person will mistake them for Bamar.
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@fortpark-wd9sx Rohingyas literally look like typical Bangladeshi so how can you question their origins? You keep saying this but you can't even ANSWER any of my other points! Thank you for mentioning Soe Naing Oo?? What about him? He's literally Bamar, are you going to say his origins are up for question? What about Hugo Naing? May Myat Noe? What about the Maramagyi Buddhists, they literally can pass as typical Bangladeshi. Are they foreigners? What about Kaman, are they foreigners too? WHY CAN'T YOU ANSWER ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS?
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@fortpark-wd9sx All this talk about the MSM and not a single interest in actually listening to Burmese outlets. Where are you from? The Western MSM has spoken about Bangladesh and the Rohingyas for years. Where have you been?? The MSM doesn't talk about the people? Huh?? How many times do I need to tell you that Burmese people are a mixture of many different ancestral components: Tibeto-Burman, which came from East Asia, Austroasiatic, AASI and Indo-Aryan both of which came from South Asia and Kra-Dai which came from southern China. So of course Burmese people will look diverse, there are so many different ethnic groups in the country. Stop talking about the MSM and creating non-existent issues. Rohingyas are Rohingyas, Bamar are Bamar. Per your logic, you're going to tell me that my family are two different races because some people in my family have features more similar to typical Southeast Asians and others with features more similar to typical South Asians. Is that the case? Are we two different races now? Is one of us fake and the other not? My friend's dad is full Bamar but looks more Indian and her mum is not much different with typical SEA traits but my friend looks more closer to East Asian but with more Bamar/SEA eyes. They're Bamar with some Mon, in other words they are 100% Southeast Asian. Is her family also composed of "fake people" and "real people"? I'm genuinely asking you to answer these questions because I still don't understand how you can say such things.
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@fortpark-wd9sx Why do you keep talking about the MSM? You do know you're creating conspiracy theories right? Also, the Western MSM have spoken about Bangladesh and the Rohingya refugees in their country for years. Where have you been?? Why should the MSM speak about who Burmese people are? How many times do I need to tell you that Burmese people are diverse and thus genetically diverse. There are multiple different ancestral components in the genetic makeup of Burmese people including Tibeto-Burman, which came from East Asia, AASI and Indo-Aryan which came from South Asia, Kra-Dai which came from Yunnan, China and Austroasiatic. So of course Burmese people will be diverse. Per your logic, you're going to tell me my family is composed of real people and fake people because some members of my family have features more similar to typical Southeast Asians while others have features more similar to typical South Asians. Is that the case? Are we two different races now? My friend's dad is Bamar but looks Indian while her mum is not much different with looks that are closer to SEA traits. My friend, however, has pale skin with typical SEA/Bamar eyes. They are 100% Bamar. Is her family also composed of fake and real people?
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@fortpark-wd9sx Why do you keep talking about the MSM? You do know you're creating conspiracy theories right? Also, the Western MSM have spoken about Bangladesh and the Rohingya refugees in their country for years. Where have you been??
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@fortpark-wd9sx I've already explained this to you. Burmese people are diverse and thus genetically diverse. There are multiple different ancestral components in the genetic makeup of Burmese people including Tibeto-Burman, which came from East Asia, AASI and Indo-Aryan which came from South Asia, Kra-Dai which came from Yunnan, China and Austroasiatic. So of course Burmese people will be diverse. Are you going to tell me my family is composed of real people and fake people because some members of my family have features more similar to typical Southeast Asians while others have features more similar to typical South Asians. Is that the case? Are we two different races now? My friend's dad is Bamar but looks Indian while her mum is not much different with looks that are closer to SEA traits. My friend, however, has pale skin with typical SEA/Bamar eyes. They are 100% Bamar. Are you going to classify her the same way?
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@fortpark-wd9sx The MSM absolutely does NOT do that. You appear to be very confused. You must be mistaking Rakhine people with Rohingyas and thinking they are the same lmfao. The vast majority of Rohingyas look like typical Bangladeshis. Rakhine people look more like Bamar and their names and culture are related to Bamar. Nobody is going to mistake Rohingyas for Rakhine.
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@fortpark-wd9sx No, what you're doing here is that you're trying to divide people up based on appearance even when they're from the same ethnic group. Why do you conveniently ignore my points about Bamar people? Why have you refused to acknowledge my point about Soe Naing Oo, Tatamadaw general that looks different to the majority of Bamar even though he is 100% BAMAR?
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@fortpark-wd9sx The reality is that you have been sorely mistaken. You say their "names are featured". How can that be when they are literally refugees? They are nameless. There are only a few famous Rohingyas in Myanmar today and none of them are refugees. The people you are talking about Rakhine people, a completely different ethnic group to Rohingyas. Most Rohingyas look like typical Bangladeshi and they are native to northern Rakhine State in Myanmar. Nobody is going to mistake Rohingya for Bamar or Rakhine because they look completely different. A small amount of Rohingyas have physical traits similar to Bamar or Rakhine but still they look NOTHING like Bamar or Rakhine. I hope this finally makes sense for you.
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@fortpark-wd9sx There is a word (ကုလားဆင်) in the Burmese language to describe Burmese people with "Indian features" - features that resemble Indian features. You say Bangladeshi but I guess we can say "Indian" too because Bengali people live in India too. Like I said before, Burmese people are diverse.
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@steve9310 YOU don't say it! There's a difference. ☠
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@steve9310 Asking me where I got that word from when it literally exists.
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@rodrozil6544 Maybe take a look at the comments you're liking. 💀 You're literally agreeing with somebody that thinks there are "real Rohingyas" who look Bamar and "fake Rohingyas" who look Bangladeshi. Everybody knows that Rohingyas cannot be mistaken for Bamar and even those with Bamar-like features like Wai Wai Nu can still not be mistaken for typical Bamar.
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@steve9310 It's NOT been pulled randomly from the internet and it most certainly is NOT misinformation. I literally cannot believe you're even saying this. Defs Western
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@steve9310 How on earth could I make up a word? Think about that for a second? My source are real humans. Idk why you're arguing with me over this thing. It's the most trivial thing. 💀
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@fortpark-wd9sx With so many facts presented to you that actually refute the things you're saying and blatant realities visible to the naked eye that go against your conspiracy theories, you still refuse to accept the reality of the situation. It shocks me at how someone can be like this, even when they live on the other side of the world. 💀
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@fortpark-wd9sx Us speaking English has NOTHING to do with the MSM. It's due to British influence as they were the only country to be able to colonised most countries in the world. It became the lingua franca of the world. There could be some overlapping? There is OVERLAPPING. I already told you that Myanmar is a region where Tibeto-Burman, Indo-Aryan, AASI, Austroasiatic and Kra-Dai intersect. So of course people in Myanmar look diverse, that includes Rohingyas.
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@fortpark-wd9sx Rohingyas literally look like typical Bangladeshis. NOT a single Rohingya can pass as Bamar. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Rohingyas are native to northern Rakhine State, it borders Bangladesh. Why on earth do you think borders immediately determine how people look? Of course people in northern Rakhine will look like Bangladeshis cause they're right next door. What's not clicking??
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@fortpark-wd9sx They have NO connection to Bangladesh, that's why! Are you going to tell me Kaman and Maramagyi are also connected to Bangladesh? They all look like typical Bangladeshis but they are native to Rakhine State. What do you have to say about that? Burmese Indians equals Bangladeshis per your logic due to geographical proximity? The fact that you said this without realising that we're talking about pre-1947 shows me that you're using Google right now to try argue with me. There was NO Bangladesh back then. It was all British India and the British were known to use Indians and Chinese in Myanmar because they favoured them, just like they favoured them everywhere else in their empire like Malaya, Sri Lanka, Fiji, Kenya, Caribbean etc. etc. Burmese Indians are NOT Rohingyas though. They're completely different.
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@fortpark-wd9sx You're literally a Westerner and you're here trying to tell me about an issue that is happening in my own backyard. Very disrespectful I must say.
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@fortpark-wd9sx I have come to the conclusion that you hold severe hatred for brown skin Indian/Bangladeshi-looking people which is why you're very reluctant to speak about Maramagyi or Kaman who look more similar to typical Indian/Bangladeshi despite being native Burmese and saying things like "there could be overlap". It's also why you're saying Rohingyas are from Bangladesh and going so far as to say Rakhine Buddhist people are the "real Rohingyas". Idk what happened for you to despise brown skin Indian/Bangladeshi-looking people but bad karma will come knocking on your door cause there is no justification in the world for you to generalise and hold such views.
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@rodrozil6544 There are plenty of Burmese Indians who still live in Myanmar, what are you talking about? They aren't staying there illegally, they are more like native Burmese now. Practice Bamar culture and Buddhist influence is very significant on their culture which makes them quite different to the India Indian Hindus.
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@gatorcroco4904 Aung San Suu Kyi's NUG has a Rohingya minister in her government and her government has said they want to reintegrate Rohingyas back into Burmese society once they take back control from the Tatmadaw. In 2021, Burmese people held solidarity protests for Rohingyas and publicly apologised on the street and on social media. They also created a social media campaign to support Rohingyas called #Black4Rohingya. So if there is any Burmese person that still doesn't support them or believe they are foreigners, they simply despise them cause most of the country has moved on.
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@rishabbhattachaya6676 Indian men stop getting mad that people are talking about non-Hindu issues challenge: impossible 💀
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@rishabbhattachaya6676 This is why YT needs to be banned in India
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@renzeusoya5828 Rohingyas were not imported by British people
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@renzeusoya5828 This is true but Rohingyas were not brought in by the British, they were already there. The British favoured minorities in all of their colonies. Myanmar was no different.
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@rodrozil6544 Many other ethnic groups in Myanmar like Shan, Kachin and Karen have faced persecution too. Maybe stop making this about genetics and appearance (an extremely Nazi Hitler thing to do) and learn about the history of Myanmar!
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