Comments by "Nick Danger" (@nickdanger3802) on "Montgomery vs Eisenhower on Operation Market Garden's True Purpose | History Debate" video.

  1. 1940 British forces "evacuated" from Norway, Belgium, France (Monty trained his men hard for evacuation) and the Channel Islands. 1941 Greece, Crete and Libya. 1942 Toburk and Dieppe.
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  2.  @bigwoody4704  Leo Major "For this accomplishment he was chosen to be honored with a DCM (Distinguished Conduct Medal) but he refused, his reason being that Field Marshall Montgomery (the man giving out the medal) was “incompetent” and that he’d made an awful mistake for which Léo disliked him. And so, Léo Major refused the award held second only to the Victoria Cross, because Montgomery would be the one to give it to him." link below Leo Major Canadas' most decorated soldier. Canada in the 20th Century http://chc2dv-04.weebly.com/telling-a-soldiers-story---leacuteo-major.html
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  3. "The 82nd Airborne Division, however, certainly does not deserve any particular criticism for this as their priorities appear to be a further product of the blind optimism that dogged Operation Market Garden, of which everyone involved was guilty. At Nijmegen, as with everywhere else, the assumption was that resistance would be light and so the main concern of the airborne units was to make the advance of the ground forces as rapid and as uncomplicated as possible, instead of devoting all their attention to primary objectives. Furthermore, it should be understood that the 82nd Airborne Division had by far the most complicated plan of any of the Airborne units involved with Market Garden, their troops being required to capture numerous objectives over a considerable expanse of terrain." link below Grave to Heumen to Waal bridges: 15 miles. Arnhem LZ-Z to rail bridge: 3 miles. Pegasus Archive In Depth  30. Reasons for the Failure http://www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/frames.htm
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  4.  @thevillaaston7811  Like I give a fuk about what you think.
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  5.  @bigwoody4704  Monty Planned for retreat to Dunkirk before the Battle of France started in 1940. Over two years later won an unlosable battle at el Alamein. Second to Patton in Sicily even though Patton had twice the distance to Messina. Recalled from Italy after it turned into a slogging match. Took almost two months to take Caen, a day one objective. Late to close the Falaise Gap, blamed the Canadians. Failed to clear the approaches to Antwerp, blamed the Canadians. Delayed counter attacking in the Ardennes for three days. Second over the Rhine.
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  6.  @thevillaaston7811  When was Antwerp operational dip shit? Where was 52nd Lowland Div. supposed to land since Deelen airfield was not captured?
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  7. "Montgomery later admitted that he was wrong to assume the Canadians could open the approaches to Antwerp while his forces tried to reach Germany. But his timing was off. The Canadians began fighting around Antwerp in early October, after Market Garden had ended. So, our original question prompts another: Why did it take to the middle of October for Montgomery to support the embattled Canadians and make Antwerp a priority?" https://legionmagazine.com/en/2018/03/should-field-marshal-bernard-montgomery-have-tried-to-clear-the-scheldt-estuary-in-september-1944/
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  8. "Monty's orders were to withdraw farther west on the 24th to form a defense line and "tidy up the front" without taking any action. Our 2nd Armored Division CO, Major General Ernest "Old Gravel Voice" Harmon disregarded that order and moved to block the advance near the village of Ciney. The Recon scouts sent word that the Germans had stopped near Celles, apparently to allocate the fuel now in short supply." "At 1435 hours Harmon told VII Corps, "We've got the whole damned 2nd Panzer Division in a sack! You've got to give me immediate authority to attack!" Despite Collins grave misgivings of disobeying Monty's orders, he gave Harmon the OK." "At 1625 hours Harmon told VII Corps, "The bastards are in the bag!" On this day the German 2nd Panzer Division trapped and unable to maneuver was destroyed. The enemy lost 81 tanks, 7 assault guns, 405 vehicles of all types, plus 74 big guns. An actual account of the enemy killed and captured was not recorded. It ceased as a fighting force. The German 9th Panzer Division desperately attempted to rescue the 2nd Panzer, but was beaten back with severe losses." http://www.3ad.com/history/wwll/memoirs.pages/marsh.pages/ardennes.campaign.htm
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  9. "For example, there is a strong bias in this journal against all American aircraft production. 1 think I can claim that I was one of the first to press the Air Ministry to utilise the aircraft production of Canada and the United States. From the beginning these journals have made the most bitter comments against aircraft produced in the United States, and have opposed with all their influence—and it is not small —the placing of orders in the United States. I am of the opinion that that is a matter which ought to receive the attention of the Air Ministry, because quite ​ obviously they are partly acting in the interests of those from whom they obtain their advertising revenue." https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1941-03-11/debates/5a521ef1-fd11-45a2-9ee0-0db5cf24a488/AirEstimates1941?highlight=aviation%20fuel#contribution-875552dd-77a7-4295-9f2b-1dd7ea59f39c
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  10. 7.45 Monty blames Canadians for not taking Scheldt while MG was on.
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  11. Montgomery later admitted that he was wrong to assume the Canadians could open the approaches to Antwerp while his forces tried to reach Germany. But his timing was off. The Canadians began fighting around Antwerp in early October, after Market Garden had ended. So, our original question prompts another: Why did it take to the middle of October for Montgomery to support the embattled Canadians and make Antwerp a priority? Should Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery have tried to clear the Scheldt Estuary in September 1944? page Legion Canada magazine
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  12.  @thevillaaston7811  Take it up with History Learning Site UK numb nutz.
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  13. Why Operation Market Garden Failed and Its Devastating Consequences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUxrgeS2nZs&t=11s
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  14. BEFORE 740 men (of the 10,000 landed) captured one lightly defended end of the last intact bridge in Arnhem, the 82nd captured the bridge at Grave (one of the longest bridges in Europe) and the last intact bridge over the Maas-Waal canal. BEFORE 1st AB captured one end of one bridge, 9th SS Panzer recon battalion used the bridge to drive to Nijmegen. map Nijmegen day one https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d1/fa/bb/d1fabb09d7b032564d98331e871cf633.jpg
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  15.  @thevillaaston7811  "Montgomery later admitted that he was wrong to assume the Canadians could open the approaches to Antwerp while his forces tried to reach Germany. But his timing was off. The Canadians began fighting around Antwerp in early October, after Market Garden had ended. So, our original question prompts another: Why did it take to the middle of October for Montgomery to support the embattled Canadians and make Antwerp a priority?" Legion magazine should-field-marshal-bernard-montgomery-have-tried-to-clear-the-scheldt-estuary-in-september-1944 page
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  16. Leo Major "For this accomplishment he was chosen to be honored with a DCM (Distinguished Conduct Medal) but he refused, his reason being that Field Marshall Montgomery (the man giving out the medal) was “incompetent” and that he’d made an awful mistake for which Léo disliked him. And so, Léo Major refused the award held second only to the Victoria Cross, because Montgomery would be the one to give it to him." Leo Major Canadas' most decorated soldier. Canada in the 20th Century Léo Major One Man Army page
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  17.  @bigwoody4704  U tub has been doing that to my comments with links for months but others do not seem to have that problem. TIK has never deleted any of my comments that I am aware of and I give him props for that.
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  18.  @thevillaaston7811  Take it up with Canada in the 20th Century fuk tard.
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  19.  @bigwoody4704  Comic relief Jack Whitehall is Terrified of Mr Blobby - The Big Fat Quiz Of The '90s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97fw8xjB5u4
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  20. "To start with, Antwerp was not considered to be overly important as Montgomery wanted to push to the Ruhr as soon as was possible. His belief that an attack on Arnhem would bring a swift end to the war did not succeed – and it was only after the failure of Operation Market Garden that Montgomery realised the importance of Antwerp in solving the increasing supply difficulties that the Allies had as their supply lines became more and more extended as they approached Germany." "As early as September 8th, 1944, Winston Churchill had written to his chiefs-of-staff about the importance of the Walcheren area and the port of Antwerp." History Learning Site UK Antwerp and World War Two page
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  21.  @bigwoody4704  Not surprised. He could not do it without everything else being put on hold so he sold it as whatever he could get Ike to agree to. When the Falaise Pocket was developing he submitted his plans for approval and they were approved then he changed them but did not tell SHAEF. When he was late closing the gap he blamed the Canadians and Poles. I do not think I can do this for much longer. Just can't take fuk tards lying and getting away with it. Will probably sign off soon. Good Luck
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  22. "To start with, Antwerp was not considered to be overly important as Montgomery wanted to push to the Ruhr as soon as was possible. His belief that an attack on Arnhem would bring a swift end to the war did not succeed – and it was only after the failure of Operation Market Garden that Montgomery realised the importance of Antwerp in solving the increasing supply difficulties that the Allies had as their supply lines became more and more extended as they approached Germany." "As early as September 8th, 1944, Winston Churchill had written to his chiefs-of-staff about the importance of the Walcheren area and the port of Antwerp." History Learning Site UK Antwerp and World War Two page
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  23. How long would it take to fly in a division? What were the new division and XXX Corps going to use for Logistics? Current map has distance from Essen, the center of arms production, to Arnhem at 67 miles/108k.
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  24. map Arnhem day one http://www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/Photos/Map1ParaProg.gif
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  25.  @sean640307  1st AB had two objectives, hold the landing zones and take and hold any one of three bridges or the ferry then hold it for 96 hours. It did neither. The 82nd had four objectives, take and hold three bridges and hold the Heights on the border of Germany and the Reichswald national forest for Brownings' HQ brought in by 36 of 1st AB's gliders (normal load one battalion) and redundant after contact with XXX Corps less than 48 hours after landing, the landing zone for the bulk of 82nd artillery on day two and the only high ground between the Waal and Maas river valleys. The bridges were captured in the order needed by XXX Corps. If you had looked at the maps you would have noticed it is three miles from LZ-Z to the rail bridge at Arnhem and 15 miles from Grave to the river Waal bridges. There were 750 first and second echelon soldiers and 88mm and 20mm AA batterys at the Waal bridges before 9th SS Panzer recon battalion arrived after driving over the bridge at Arnhem. When XXX Corps arrived at Grave at 0820 it was "back on schedule" and had averaged just over one mile per hour. It is 25 miles from Grave to Arnhem. If XXX Corps had maintained that pace it would have arrived at Arnhem bridge on the morning of the day Frosts' men ran out of ammo. 9th SS Panzer recon returned to Arnhem after it was relieved by elements of 10th SS Panzer which had used the ferry to by pass Arnhem bridge. While the destruction of about half of 9th SS Panzer recon battalion sounds impressive it was just a dumbass move and had no effect on the battle. map Grave to Arnhem https://www.bing.com/search?q=distance+grave+netherlands+to+arnhem&form=EDNTHT&refig=4f5145e86e6b4fd8aae2eba83f270824&mkt=en-us&msnews=1&PC=HCTS&DAF1=1&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=distance+grave+netherlands+to+arnhem&sc=0-36&qs=n&sk=&cvid=4f5145e86e6b4fd8aae2eba83f270824
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  26. "The 82nd Airborne Division, however, certainly does not deserve any particular criticism for this as their priorities appear to be a further product of the blind optimism that dogged Operation Market Garden, of which everyone involved was guilty. At Nijmegen, as with everywhere else, the assumption was that resistance would be light and so the main concern of the airborne units was to make the advance of the ground forces as rapid and as uncomplicated as possible, instead of devoting all their attention to primary objectives. Furthermore, it should be understood that the 82nd Airborne Division had by far the most complicated plan of any of the Airborne units involved with Market Garden, their troops being required to capture numerous objectives over a considerable expanse of terrain." Pegasus Archive In Depth 30. Reasons for the Failure http://www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/frames.htm
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  27. "Wishing to hold the balance between the two and concerned that what he termed a 'pencil-like thrust' might be vulnerable to counter attack, Eisenhower ordered a 'broad front' advance. At the north of the line, Montgomery's forces were to be given priority until the port of Antwerp could be secured, shortening the Allies' increasingly stretched supply lines." http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/timeline/factfiles/nonflash/a1143406.shtml
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  28.  @jerryhoughton1869  "Still, when Churchill learned that Montgomery planned to take over 2000 officers and clerks in the early days of the cross-channel invasion simply to keep records, the prime minister decided to have it out with the commander of the armies in person..." "Monty explained that he had personally approved the logistical arrangements for the invasion following well-established procedures. To make any last-minute changes would undermine the confidence of his staff in their commander." “I could never allow it–never,” Monty pronounced. https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/churchill-bulletin/bulletin-070-apr-2014/montys-clash-with-churchill/
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  29. Goodwood "Meanwhile, Montgomery, with catastrophic bad timing, prematurely claimed victory. ‘Operations this morning a complete success,’ he signalled London. ‘The effect of the bombing was decisive. It is difficult to see what the enemy can do just at present.’ He said the same in a communique to the BBC and the Press — which produced a bitter backlash of recrimination against him later." "Goodwood was a seriously flawed operation, which failed in its declared objective to reach Falaise and open the way to Paris. It was not the ‘showdown’ that the vain and self-aggrandising Montgomery had promised. What he unleashed was a half-hearted charge, which was almost bound to lose more tanks than an all-out attack. Yet the ‘death ride’ of the British armoured divisions was not entirely in vain. It kept many German tank divisions tied up beating off the British offensive on the north- eastern side of Normandy." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2659668/Ride-death-turned-tanks-sitting-ducks-Continuing-landmark-series-fatal-mistake-Monty-saw-200-tanks-obliterated-single-day.html
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  30.  @sean640307  Current map has the distance from Postel Belgium, near site of Joe's Bridge, to Grave at 50 miles. XXX Corps time to Grave, 42 hours. Time to walk 50 miles at four miles per hour, 12.5 hours. map Postel Belgium to Grave https://www.bing.com/search?q=distance+postel+belgium+to+grave+netherlands&form=EDNTHT&refig=ae25bbb99d5a47d69ba52e3ed890c827&mkt=en-us&msnews=1&PC=HCTS&DAF1=1&sp=-1&pq=distance+postel+belgium+to+grave+netherland&sc=0-43&qs=n&sk=&cvid=ae25bbb99d5a47d69ba52e3ed890c827
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