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Comments by "Nick Danger" (@nickdanger3802) on ""Arnhem" by Antony Beevor Book Review" video.
@JohnSmith-mb8hi If that is your real name. Setting aside 1st AB never got more than 800 of the 10,000 men landed near Arnhem to the bridge and 1st AB had only to take one bridge of three. The bridges over the river Waal and the bridge at Grave were three of the longest bridges in Europe at that time. The 82nd had to hold the Heights for the next days landing with the bulk of 82nd artillery and for Brownings HQ, brought in by 36 of 1st ABs gliders (normal load one battalion). In the first few hours the 82nd captured the bridge at Grave, the first bridge in the 82nd AO that would be needed by XXX Corps. In the first 24 hours 82nd captured the last intact bridge over the Maas-Waal canal and all available units were needed to repel several small and one large attack on the Heights by the 406th Inf. Div. (ersatz) with five armoured cars and three half tracks with 20mm AA guns. With the help of fighters escorting the gliders the Heights were retaken as gliders landed among the retreating Germans. On day three scout cars of XXX Corps arrived at the bridge at Grave, approx. ten miles from the river Waal bridges. XXX Corps tanks arrived two hours later at approx. 1030 hours and "back on schedule" having averaged just over one mile an hour and Approx. 25 miles to Arnhem on route taken. On day three Frosts men were so low on ammunition he ordered them to fire only to repel attacks. During the next attack a trooper shouted: "Stand still you sods, these bullets cost money!" page 188 Arnhem, Beevor On day four Frosts men ran out ammunition and lost control of the north end of the bridge. Some slipped away and made for 1st AB and some, mostly wounded, surrendered. map Grave to Arnhem https://www.bing.com/maps?q=distance+grave+to+arnhem&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&msnews=1&rec_search=1&plvar=0&refig=077eb9f180ed452ff8f22707bc22e716&PC=HCTS&DAF1=1&sp=-1&pq=distance+grave+to+arnhem&sc=1-24&qs=n&sk=&cvid=077eb9f180ed452ff8f22707bc22e716
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11.40 XXX Corps scout cars arrived at GRAVE, 13 miles from the Waal bridges (on current map by route taken). At this point XXX Corps had averaged just over one mile per hour, if it had continued at that pace it would have arrived at Arnhem bridge at around 0800 on the day Frosts' men ran out of ammo and lost control of the north end. Current maps have distance at 70 miles and not the 64 usually cited. photo Arnhem bridge https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsonTzeWYAAabjc.jpg:large
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11.40 XXX Corps scout cars arrived at GRAVE, 13 miles from the Waal bridges (on current map by route taken). At this point XXX Corps had averaged just over one mile per hour, if it had continued at that pace it would have arrived at Arnhem bridge at around 0800 on the day Frosts' men ran out of ammo and lost control of the north end. Current maps have distance at 70 miles and not the 64 usually cited. photo Arnhem bridge https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsonTzeWYAAabjc.jpg:large
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@thecentralscrutinizerk They had enough fuel and spare parts three months later in the Ardennes.
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Ike approved it, the final decision rested with Monty, as I understand it.
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Map Nijmegen 17 September 1944 https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d1/fa/bb/d1fabb09d7b032564d98331e871cf633.jpg
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Operation Comet 1st Airborne and the Poles were to be tasked with the entire mission.
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How long did it take 1st AB to get 740 men, of the over 2,000 tasked with taking all three bridges, to the last intact bridge in Arnhem in jeeps? Where was XXX Corps supposed to be at the end of day one? When did it get there?
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"My task was to take ... the three bridges." Lt. Col. J.D. Frost about Operation Market Garden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdvpA94XSv0
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@bigwoody4704 Well done.
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@grimreaper5230 Browning, with his HQ brought in by 36 of 1st AB's gliders, was in command until contact was made with XXX Corps, less than 48 hours after the landing. Conversations with History: Brian Urquhart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfuJ4W-wqI4&t=1890s
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No more so than TIK on this subject.
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Map Nijmegen 17 September https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d1/fa/bb/d1fabb09d7b032564d98331e871cf633.jpg
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@bigwoody4704 Conversations with History: Brian Urquhart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfuJ4W-wqI4&t=1671s
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@owenjones7517 OPERATION MARKET-GARDEN: ULTRA INTELLIGENCE IGNORED https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a406861.pdf
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Conversations with History: Brian Urquhart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfuJ4W-wqI4&t=1890s
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Battle of the Bulge three months later with 557 tanks and 667 tank destroyers and assault guns.
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@scottyfox6376 The same place they got it for the Battle of the Bulge three months later with 557 tanks and 667 tank destroyers and assault guns.
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Map 1st AB plan Arnhem www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/Photos/Map1ParaPlan.gif
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@owenjones7517 So people can see for themselves.
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@bigwoody4704 "Ultra reports continued to feed information to the analysts, but none of it went directly to the fighters. The actual fighting units were not on the dissemination list for Ultra intelligence, since Ultra was restricted to army level and higher. One exception to this rule was the FAAA, which was an army level unit, but was not on the list. Since the operation was under the supervision of 21st Army Group and command of the Second Army, all of the official intelligence support would come from these headquarters." page 69
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Map Nijmegen 17 September https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d1/fa/bb/d1fabb09d7b032564d98331e871cf633.jpg
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@bigwoody4704 Thanks, signing off soon. non illegitimi carborundum, Latin for "don't let the bastards grind you down".
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Planning "The essential plan (Comet) was not dead, however, and on the 10th September 1944, Montgomery personally briefed Browning for Operation Market Garden." "Browning, having asked Montgomery how long the 1st Airborne would have to hold Arnhem and being told two days, replied that they could hold it for four." Pegasus Archive Browning, on line Of the over 2,000 men tasked with taking all three bridges only 740 men captured one end of a lightly defended bridge in Arnhem and held it for 3 days and 12 hours. As I understand it.
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@gunnareinarsson6590 So they built them? Or did they transfer them from the East Front because they were doing so well there?
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@bigwoody4704 Look up: Netherlands 17-25 September 1944 uk
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MATCHES (SUPPLY). HC Deb 15 October 1941 vol 374 c13581358 (on line) 37. Mr. Lipson asked the President of the Board of Trade whether he is aware that matches are practically unobtainable by the general public; and whether he will take steps to increase the supply available?
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No reaction to Arnhem: Black Tuesday, Al Murray ?
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@scottyfox6376 I am certain the Germans would have liked to capture a fuel dump, but as I understand it they didn't know where they were located and actually drove past one. Capturing supply dumps had been objectives since the back and forth battles in North Africa and Germany was always short of fuel. Around the 22nd the German commander asked Hitler to order a halt because supplies were not getting to the lead elements, Hitler refused.
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