Comments by "DynamicWorlds" (@dynamicworlds1) on "ContraPoints" channel.

Yeah, the thing called "toxic masculinity" is very often men hurting each other dirrectly or training them to hurt themselves. Building genuinely supportive male social networks has to be part of the solution
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@malachorfives tbf, we on the left have been shit at framing things in a way those outside our community will understand and engage with. It's a real problem
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I refuse to use Twitter or Facebook because they are intrinsically toxic.
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@antiimpetus9053 basically every ethnonationalist equates the 2, and you have plenty over there too.
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@SuicidelG well, if you're trying to agrue that we'd have a lot less people with gender dysphoria around if we didn't have a society trying to crowbar everyone into 2 toxic gender roles, then sure, there's merit in that point. Psychology (specifically, psychotherapy) definitely has largely been the bandaid trying to individually treat problems people have that are caused by the society they live in (chronic stress, depression, and relationship problems to name just a few common issues) and has often been treated by our society as an excuse to ignore the source of said problems to preserve the status quo, but that doesn't discredit the whole field (especially since individual problems would still exist in a perfect society and there's all of social psychology and anthropology to consider) so let's be careful not to overstate things.
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YouTube puts political content in a "not advertiser friendly" category, then right wingers use Koch and other dirty money to mass buy advertising time on political content for a fraction of the normal cost. See CGP Grey here for more on how the system works: https://youtu.be/KW0eUrUiyxo
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@Domi B We don't have enough evidence for that claim. She could be a selkie, swan maiden, the lady of the lake, water nymph, or some other form of undine.
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@antiimpetus9053 why, tf, would that blip of an anecdotal experience mean anything? The ideology and rhetoric isn't really that different across the pond. Demographic percentage of ethnonationalists, sure, but I see plenty from various ideologies spitting their BS out there and they're able to hop between audiences of the countries without much difficulty.
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@antiimpetus9053 "but but but I'm the good kind of white supremacist, let me tell you how wrong you are about Europe by displaying my total lack of understanding of the US" Lmfao holy shit dude that was pathetic. Just quit and stop embarrassing yourself 😆
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Appologies for post length. The most core part of the scientific method is to take the model that you have of the world and compare what you would expect if it were true, and compare it to reality actively looking for discrepancies. Taking reliably occuring data and discarding it (and models of reality that cover it and what your old theory did) because they don't fit your (no-longer professionally accepted) model of how the world works is the opposite of science. Also, the same science that looks at trans people having brain structures more like their assigned sex shows the brain patterns involved to be bimodal instead of binary, which means we should expect to see people who don't cleanly fall into either category, and we do. Add to that how we have a bunch of things we include in gender which are absolutely culturally (read: environmentally) derived, and already we've got a model of transgenderism which is starting to look a lot more like being intersex, with multiple factors influencing it which each don't fit on a binary and together absolutely don't produce a result that can reasonably be crowbared into a binary model. So yeah, trying to exclude NB people based on (pseudo)science is totally bunk. We know way more about the causes of transgenderism than we do dark energy, but our lack of knowledge of the latter doesn't stop us from acknowledging what we can observe about it and acknowledging the limits of our understanding while seeking to humbly expand said understanding, because science isn't a library of knowledge about things we can explain. Science is a process used to remove our cognitive biases (like, for example, the human tendancy to rationalize a wrong explanation, discarding inconvenient observations, just so we can have an explanation instead of saying "I don't know how or why, but that exists") so that we at least have a chance to begin to see the world as it actually is. People that really accept and understand science get excited, iinterested and curious when confronted with observations that don't fit their current models, not close-minded and angry, and are never afraid to say "we don't know why" Science is the systematic dismantling of dogmatism.
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Which means the Amazon does, which means the planet does.
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To be fair, we were utterly terribly at the whole agriculture thing at first too. We'll adapt. Give it time.
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Utilitarianism that doesn't take into account feeling and principles and the like is bad utilitarianism. Just throwing that out there.
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You probably know this, but just in case, don't use ace bandages. I know people for whom that has gone badly.
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The most core part of the scientific method is to take the model that you have of the world and compare what you would expect if it were true, and compare it to reality actively looking for discrepancies. Taking reliably occuring data and discarding it (and models of reality that cover it and what your old theory did) because they don't fit your (no-longer professionally accepted) model of how the world works is the opposite of science. Also, the same science that looks at trans people having brain structures more like their assigned sex shows the brain patterns involved to be bimodal instead of binary, which means we should expect to see people who don't cleanly fall into either category, and we do. Add to that how we have a bunch of things we include in gender which are absolutely culturally (read: environmentally) derived, and already we've got a model of transgenderism which is starting to look a lot more like being intersex, with multiple factors influencing it which each don't fit on a binary and together absolutely don't produce a result that can reasonably be crowbared into a binary model. So yeah, trying to exclude NB people based on (pseudo)science is totally bunk. We know way more about the causes of transgenderism than we do dark energy, but our lack of knowledge of the latter doesn't stop us from acknowledging what we can observe about it and acknowledging the limits of our understanding while seeking to humbly expand said understanding, because science isn't a library of knowledge about things we can explain. Science is a process used to remove our cognitive biases (like, for example, the human tendancy to rationalize a wrong explanation, discarding inconvenient observations, just so we can have an explanation instead of saying "I don't know how or why, but that exists") so that we at least have a chance to begin to see the world as it actually is.
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@LighthoofDryden 👏👏👏👏 bravo!
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@metaouroboros690 this 100%! Reactionaries reject enlightenment values like rationality and value hierarchy over all else, including truth.
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@miserychickadee even the biosphere doesn't need saving. It's weathered worse mass extinctions than us. Funny thing with those, though, is that the top of the foodchain tends to disappear.
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Yup, I refuse to be on Twitter or Facebook. If we're going to talk about inherent toxicity, it's those web sites that need canceled.
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@BLAZINFAST missing my point. That threat of social ostracization that is hurting you is coming from other men. That's not "you are being toxic and need to stop" but instead "what other men are doing to you is fucked up, and we need to find a way to end it" but as Kim points out, it's structured as a prisoner's dilemma where men who hurt other men get ahead, and those who try to genuinely help other men fall behind. The closest thing I have to an answer to that is trying to revive revive the tradition of having a confidant but even that is insufficient for the large-scale issues and we need better answers than just that which involve building larger, more-robust support networks somehow, and I don't really have those answers, for myself or others.
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@Kennitto well....let me put it this way: on a scale of 1-10, how erotic an image comes to mind from the phrase "she dressed conservatively"?
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@Rossy167 while I disagree with your assessment of Olly This guy seems to have some good ideas about strong but non-toxic masculinity that should be at least some decent food for thought https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZOMlO2_17fuI_fuvilfbvOTf2P45qTJi
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Ned Barks there are also Christian Zionists, who are, at best, ok with Jews in a "not in my backyard" kind of way, but more likely support Zionism to fulfill biblical prophecy so that the Jews can be slaughtered and the world can burn while they're raptured up to paradise because [s] of course they followed the teachings of Jesus, so they'll be saved [/s] ...yes, the US has a not insignificant amount of even that level of crazy. But yes globalists and zionists have been used as dog whistles, so it's a good rule of thumb to be extra clear with the context you're using them in. Considering we're talking about people with a stereotype of Jews as greedy bankers who also think they're part of a global Marxist conspiracy, we're not dealing with terribly rational people, so don't be surprised with what they pick as their dog whistles.
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@randomtinypotatocried that is a real risk, but with Trump's increasingly authoritarian (and anti-democratic) turn in the last year, that risk is there reguardless of the result.
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#CancelTwitter #CancelFacebook (Also, Contra has done more for NB advocacy than all her critics combined)
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#CancelTwitter #CancelFacebook
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@Lucas51397 I believe it to be a reference to one of the charges in the trial that ended in his execution being "corrupting the youth" Also, not having a key bit of random trivia in your head doesn't mean you're not smart. On the contrary, admission of ignorance is the beginning of wisdom.
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Remember that a Biden presidency is a chance to drive a wedge between the "Democratic" establishment and liberal voters by attacking Biden from the left every time he acts like a conservative and talking about how he is the status quo that got us Trump in the first place. It's on us to deny the liberals the chance go back to compacent sleep. Put the establishment in the loose-loose situation of either caving to our demands or pushing more of their voters left by alienating them.
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Thank you. Exactly what I was looking for
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When Godwin of Godwin's law is calling them concentration camps and you're arguing against him, historians (including experts on concentration camps), people who have been held in other concentration camps, and Jewish advocacy organizations protesting while saying "never again, this is how it starts" so you xan concern troll over drawing parallels to Nazi death camps, you need to check yourself, because you're either a fascist, or a useful idiot providing cover for fascism to grow.
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The best kind of corruption.
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This is a minor point but can we take a moment to notice how BS saying "a movement that I believe is doing demonstrable harm" is? It's either a belief or an objective fact you can demonstrate. Pick one. But then, these arguments being irrational at every scale we look at them (fractal irrationality, if you will) is kinda a defining characteristic.
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@Brooke-rw8rc to further elaborate, we gender segregate at at an absurdly early age and teach boys to form entirely unhealthy social norms with each other that prevent most of them from building the kinds of support networks they need, and reinforce the conditioning from the resulting bullying making even those boys who aren't the target of said bullying learn to hide all vulnerability (which would help them form those networks) by presenting them with emotionally closed off role models. We also have a big problem with male self-worth, with it tending towards extremes and/or being externally sourced (largely through domination of others or service to men with more power, who are trained to see those lower than them as disposable) The inter-male bonds are wrecked in the modern era, and women's liberation didn't do that. Something else did and it would be good if we could figgure out what that was.
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@ard1805 no clue what you're on about.
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@ard1805 ok 1-this whole confidence=assholery thing is nonsense. There are plenty of confident non-assholes, and plenty of assholes who can't hide their insecurity. 2-confidence is generally attractive for everyone 3-sorry, but you're just dead wrong about where most of the pressures to bury emotions is coming from. It's comming from men/boys ridiculing each other for being "sissies" or some variation thereof 4-women are not a monolyth and many are complaining about men being so emotionally walled off and actually seeing men who can be both emotional and confident 5-treating women like they have a monolithic set of desires is kinda offputting 6-evopsych is somewhere around 99% psuedoscience, so you should really avoid listening to it
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I've listened to him giving a talk about it on YouTube. Getting to the book itself is high on my reading list. Rest in power.
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@Domi B it varries but sometimes it's a very essentialist kind of misandry common to 2nd wave feminism. Sometimes it's the fact that you make them question their own gender identity, which they don't want to think about (just like we see in homophobia). Sometimes it's because better conforming to gender roles allowed them to put themselves "above" others in some imagined heirarchy. Sometimes it's just any social change being seen as bad (and possibly jewish). It's a grab-bag of bad reasons.
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