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Comments by "DynamicWorlds" (@dynamicworlds1) on "Democracy at Work: Curing Capitalism | Richard Wolff | Talks at Google" video.
@TRUTHandLIGHT4809 randomly capitalizing words isn't a substitute for educating yourself. No definition of socialism is "the elites control everything" and whoever told you that is an idiot or a liar.
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@TRUTHandLIGHT4809 wrong. Socialism is worker control of the means of production. There are plenty of socialists who are against even a democratic state controling the entire economy. For example, George Orwell...you know, that guy who wrote not just 1984, but also Animal Farm which was a satire of how using a totalitarian government to try and achieve socialism was a project doomed to fail and become indistinguishable to the population from capitalism. That's why the USSR model is more correctly referred to as "state capitalism" because it replaces the capitalist with the state while leaving much of the system fundamentally the same, including the workers not having control of the means of production.
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@PathfinderHistory we curtail the structuring of businesses in many ways so you're just using special pleading to say we couldn't make illegal non-co-op business models, and no-one is saying that co-ops would solve all inequality problems, so that's a strawman (which you dressed up in cliche ad-homs), and you're denying the barriers to setting up co-ops that currently exist. Maybe stop watching PragerU and you'll start to be able to form arguments that don't embarrass you. A far right propaganda network that is dishonest with nearly every sentence (just look up "PragerU debunked" and start watching to see that proven), provides cover for white supremacists, and is even denying evolution is going to rot your brain.
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@Technics19 all the workers in a coop are rewarded if the business succeeds. Your reply didn't actually answer the question. If the owners can be motivated by more money later to invest in improving the business, why wouldn't the workers (which, btw, real world worker coops have shown they will)? If this isn't special pleading, please explain the difference.
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@Technics19 the government helps give small businesses loans because we know that the average positive effect on the economy will exceed the costs of the loans that fail, so functions as an intermediary for the society to make a distributed investment in its own economic benefit. What would be the difference between the government helping out small, private businesses and them helping put coops (through helping buy out a company looking to outsource via first right of refusal and/or helping start new ones)? As for investing, why wouldn't they see a return? The profits from reinvesting would return to the workers instead of going to shareholders, so what makes you think they wouldn't see a return that would make them want to reinvest in improving the company?
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