Comments by "DynamicWorlds" (@dynamicworlds1) on "Activists Throw Soup On Van Gogh Painting" video.

  1. They are protesting complacent moderates like YOU who care more about how they made their statement than anything else. You are entirely missing the point to avoid self-reflection.
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  2.  @IshtarNike  has there ever in history been a protest movement that succeeded without making a wide swath of the population really uncomfortable? Protesting is like teaching history. If it's not making people uncomfortable, it's probably not being done right, or you're not actually doing it at all.
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  3. It's good when you actually listen to them, but the headlines aren't going to show their message in the best light, unfortunately.
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  4.  @caad5258  seriously, all the people talking about "but the janitor" clearly haven't worked any job where they had to clean anything. This is nothing. It's not difficult, gross, or a biohazard. No broken glass. Nothing that requires strong solvents. Nothing that came out of a person. Someone dropping a glass of water is more of a pain than cleaning up that.
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  5.  @R_A_3000  if they just buffed the floor, the floor is fine. Buffing is a step in applying a protective coating. You're just proving that you have no clue what the job actually entails. Also, being inconvenient IS part of the point of a great many forms of civil disobedience. If you're against inconvenient protests, you are against protest, full stop.
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  6. Omfg, the POINT is that we should be AT LEAST as outraged at what's happening to the planet as we would be if they actually destroyed that painting. Throwing soup at the things you mentioned wouldn't make that point AT ALL. Seriously, how is this kind of idiocy getting all the upvotes despite showing no understanding whatsoever?
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  7.  @filonin2  you think you made a good point there, but that was such a stupid missing of the point that it actually made my head hurt...
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  8. Have you seriously never looked at a framed painting before? They have eyes. They can SEE if there is glass there!
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  9. What art was harmed in this? Answer or delete your grossly misleading comment.
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  10. It made you uncomfortable and got your attention so you actually listened to the message then? Good, it worked.
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  11. Well said, unfortunately many here are demonstrating that, currently, the answer to that question is "no"
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  12. “Courage is being scared to death… and saddling up anyway.” -John Wayne “I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.”⁣ -Nelson Mandela⁣ 'Courage is doing what you are afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you are scared." -Eddie Rickenbacker "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the assessment that something else is more important than fear." -Franklin D. Roosevelt "It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world, and moral courage so rare." -Mark Twain Whether someone thinks this was the best way they could protest or not, those claiming it wasn't brave show that the concept of moral courage is foreign to them.
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  13. "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action" ☝️same energy.
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  14. This isn't about trying to get people to support action on climate change. It's definitely not about trying to move those over who oppose it. What it IS is an attempt to shock the (white) moderates out of their complacency and try and move people from indifference and tepid support to "this issue is NON-negotiable" and treating anything but the most aggressive programs to combat climate change with at least the moral outrage that they would have at defacing a priceless work of art. To borrow a phrasing from MLK "Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored." I don't know if this was the best way to go about this, but the amount of people even nominally progressive people on this channel who have decided to be more outraged by the form of protest than the thing being protested against proves how important sending the message they are trying to send is. If you prefer "a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for" future generations' salvation, then you are part of the problem. Don't be the "white moderate" MLK spoke of. Not on racial justice. Not on climate justice. Not on anything. Complacency KILLS And as a side note...the number of people who don't understand such a simple protest AFTER THE ONES WHO DID IT SPELLED IT OUT is incredibly depressing. In a better world, this would have been a great form of protest. Unfortunately, people are idiots.
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  15. The total lack of capacity to analyze art from the people offended by their choice of form of protest is stunning. They spelled out exactly what they were trying to show with their expression, and STILL people don't get it, which really makes me question if any of them have a single 🤬 to give about actually appreciating art in any form.
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  16.  @brandonb.5304  What art was destroyed?
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  17. And you have just identified yourself as part of the problem they were protesting.
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  18. So many "progressives" arguing like conservatives when it is their complacency moderate attitudes being protested, and it's disgusting and disappointing.
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  19.  Don Taylor  the only ones who have done janitorial work are all criticizing this fake solidarity, and yet all these people who have apparently never touched a pushbroom in their lives are telling us how we're wrong. The patronizing classism is honestly disgusting.
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  20.  @PlazDreamweaver  yup, it's very common that the argument someone is actually defending isn't the one they're actually saying. Example in this thread being R A who's actual position is "protests shouldn't ever be inconvenient. 'You people' should just get back in line and not bother your 'betters'"
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  21. “Courage is being scared to death… and saddling up anyway.” -John Wayne “I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.”⁣ -Nelson Mandela⁣ 'Courage is doing what you are afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you are scared." -Eddie Rickenbacker "Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the assessment that something else is more important than fear." -Franklin D. Roosevelt "It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world, and moral courage so rare." -Mark Twain Whether someone thinks this was the best way they could protest or not, those claiming it wasn't brave show that the concept of moral courage is foreign to them.
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  22. Not as embarrassing as this comment.
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  23. It's really interesting that you feel in a position to condemn them when you don't even know that there was glass there. Maybe do some self reflection on that instead.
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  24. Genocidally ageist
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  25. "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action" ☝️same energy.
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  26. Yeah, make sure your protests are always convienant for others. Don't disrupt the comfort and sensibilities of the public with art, or sit-ins, or kneeling during sports games, or blocking traffic with your protests or anything like that, right??? 🙃
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  27.  @cobrakaier238  most people are just showing how shallow their thinking is and are proving that the complacency that the girls are protesting is a MASSIVE problem, even among "progressives"
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  28. If this happen at my job I would also probably be the person to clean it up and I think you sound like a conservative complaining about how protests aren't convenient enough for you as a way of saying "don't protest in any way I can't ignore"
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  29. They seems to have eyes, so yes, they knew the painting was behind a pane of glass.
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  30. I have cleaned up far, far worse as a regular part of my job. This would take a couple minutes and be not worth mentioning.
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  31.  @realitywave  "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action" ☝️same energy.
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  32. Those paintings are sealed air-tight to preserve them through an oxygen-free environment...so yeah, soup isn't going to do shit to that.
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  33. A-the janitors clean up far worse on the regular. B-you're demonstrating exactly the complacency and unconcern for the real victims that they were protesting. You are the white moderate preferring the negative peace that is the absence of tension to the positive peace that is the presence of justice that MLK spoke of...and you disgust me.
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  34.  @R_A_3000  we went over this. No you didn't. You already proved you didn't through your ignorance. Now stop lying and pretending you give a shit about working people. It's disgustingly transparent.
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  35. All of the people handwringing over the art are literally who is being protested against and they completely lack the self awareness or integrity to acknowledge it.
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  36. What was destroyed?
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  37.  @KikomochiMendoza  you don't know what courage is and smashing the windows of CEOs cars would have been even less effective. Sit down keyboard warrior.
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  38.  @austingoyne3039  you can't hurt their money enough for it to matter and the only image they actually care about is that among other rich people looking down their noses at us. Also, they will never EVER change. You want change? You need to get moderates pissed off enough that they'll actually join in forcing the criminals out of power. "Knowing" we're being screwed isn't enough. Agreeing with the message of the protest isn't enough. Go read Letter from a Birmingham Jail. You are no different from the white moderates MLK talked about in that. Different issue, same attitude. And yes, those complacent who get less outraged at what's happening to the climate than someone throwing some soup on the glass and frame of a painting ARE among those responsible. To remain neutral in a conflict between the powerful and powerless is to side with the powerful. It's not just those at the top that are the problem. It is all of those who preferred a candidate who opposes action on global warming, And all of those who said it didn't matter to them, AND everyone who prefers a candidate who supports taking action but for whom that issue isn't a deal breaker. That includes YOU. The one who needs to change is YOU. The protest was against YOU, and even now you try to try and put down the people doing more than you as a way to avoid the needed self reflection and change. There is fundamentally no difference between you complaining about this protest and moderate conservatives whining about kneeling at football games or a march getting in the way of traffic. It Is The Same Thing!
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  39. The oil companies are making such obscene profits that they can eat it and not care and the public ignores it too, so what exactly would that accomplish that this doesn't? Not offending your delicate sensibilities and letting you go back to turning a blind eye to the problem with the smug satisfaction that you have a way to look down on people doing more than you from the safety of your keyboard?
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  40. So a way you think would improve this protest is to ACTUALLY destroy the painting and you're criticizing THEIR intelligence?
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  41. Look, someone that understands the point they were trying to make about the degree to which we actually care about different things!
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  42.  @filonin2  "no one" is untrue. YOU don't, and are projecting how childish you are and trying to hide behind a selective populism. You are the problem they were protesting.
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  43. The arms that need to be twisted are the millions upon millions of comfortable moderates.
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