Comments by "Dennis Weidner" (@dennisweidner288) on "TIKhistory"
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@grizzlygrizzle
1. disagree the numbers are not important. I see as a primary factor the proportion of people enslaved. Not the only factor, but in my thinking, the single most important one.
2. I think you overestimate the number of slaves in ancient civilizations. For example, it used to be thought that the pyramids were built by slaves. we now know they were for the most part paid wages. My understanding is that the slave population of Greece and Rome was much higher than other ancient civilizations. This of course is especially interesting in itself given it was the Greeks who invented the very idea of freedom. Now my reading of ancient history is is episodic at best and I certainly do not pretend to have any great knowledge, but that is my understanding. I have read a good bit about Mose-America and the Andes. And there certainly were slaves, but they were a small portion of the population. This certainly was the case of China. The vast portion of the population was the peasantry.
3. You are right that Africans and African chiefs were involved in the slave trade. But I think this was exacerbated by Arab and European slave traders. I think before the arrival of the Arabs and Europeans that slave trading was on a much lower order of magnitude. Again my knowledge of early African societies is limited, but that is the impression I have at this time. I think is suggested by the degree to which areas of Africa were depopulated by the external slave trade. Or the fact that African slaves were a very small part of the slave population in ancient Rome.
4. Are you sure that babies and very young children are impacted by people who look differently. I am unfamiliar with the research on this. I take it you have some knowledge of actual research. Verb interesting.
5. Children on the other hand are less polluted with racism for the simple fact, as you explain, culture and learned behaviors are a major part of racism.
6. Genetics is a taboo topic, for me. In this case, avoiding the subject I think justifiable so because of the huge harm that can come of it. Another factor is that even if there are genetic differences (especially with intelligence) the order of magnitude would seem below that of the level of differences within racial/ethnic groups. And there is also the issue of separating differences between race and culture.
7. This brings me to me the most interesting issue you raise -- the fact that what is often seen as racism is a cultural issue. This touches on one of the great issues in modern America violence and the police. Now I think that there should be very high standards for police and that they should be carefully vetted. But I also think that we should have reasonable expectations for the police. And that individuals can not help to be impacted by their day-to-day experiences. People who would not think of going into police work,n especially the woke crowd expect perfection. from the police. And this all is worsened when parents teach children to hate the police. The problem here is African-Americans have a much higher rate of criminal behavior than other ethnic groups. We know this because neighborhoods that have high populations of AAs are some of the highest crime rates. And this is based on REPORTED crimes and not police profiling. In AA neighborhoods, the crimes being reported are being reported by mostly AAs. These high crime rates can not help but impact police officers (both black and white). This is something the AA community does not like to hear and assumes that anyone that brings this up is a racist. AA spokesmen and rewoken median are all for bringing up statistics dealing with inequities, but statistics about high crime in AA neighborhoods are seen as racist and suppressed. It is something that needs to be part of the conversation. And notice that many of the high-profile incidents in the news like George Floyd are criminals and come to the attention of the police because of criminal behavior.
7. Another cultural matter. One problem leading to income differences is that AAs or much less likely to engage in entrepreneurial efforts even in AA neighborhoods. Hispanics or Asians (often immigrants) are much more likely to start up a business. . Especially notable is that immigrant Africans do better than native-born AA in starting up businesses and succeeding in these startups. This is different than most immigrant groups where the second and subsequent generations do better than the first generation.
8. I do not say all of this to deny that pure racism is not a factor. I do believe that this exists, although to a far lesser extent than it once was. And today pure racism is not backed by the force of law and government-imposed limitations. Too often what is at play today is culture and the AA tendency to ignore this and just blame it all on hateful whites and white privilege makes this problem unsolvable.
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