Comments by "gary K" (@garyK.45ACP) on "DemolitionRanch"
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Much like an A-5, much like a Remington Model 8/81. It's a long recoil action, the Barrett is a short recoil action (like an M2 machine gun). The function of the barrel/bolt is functioning exactly the same as those 120 year old designs.
The recoiling mass of the barrel hitting the rear of the receiver imparts a lot of recoil. With a short recoil, or gas operated system, the recoil impulse is imparted by the much lighter bolt/bolt carrier. In slow motion you see two recoil impulses delivered to you shoulder, the first is resisting the recoil spring and the second, larger impact, is when the barrel/bolt slam into the rear of the receiver. The Browning A5 and Remington 81 do the same. Also, the muzzle brake may be purposely less efficient than the Barrett because if you reduce the recoil too much, the rifle won't function. Try shooting a light target load in an A-5 Magnum and you'll see what I mean. (I'm speculating on that, because the .50 BMG would seem to produce an abundance recoil to cycle the action, even when tamed by a brake)
I always wear safety glasses when shooting and where I most often feel the benefit of them is when shooting skeet and sporting clays. In either sport it is not unusual to get pieces of broken incoming targets in your face, and when shooting sporting clays in wooded areas, I often get hit with ricochet shot pellets bouncing off trees. Either could easily cause serious eye injury. $15-20 shooting glasses have always served me well.
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Only if by "based off" you mean a small .25 ACP handgun.
Matt is shooting what was sold as the Colt "Junior". It was introduced in 1957 and made until 1968. It was not designed by Browning at all, but by Astra in Spain in 1954. It was sold in the USA as the Colt "Junior" from 1957-1968 and the Astra "Cub", also until 1968. They were offered in .22 short and .25 ACP. Both were banned for importation by the GCA '68. In 1970 Colt started making the gun in the USA to avoid the import ban, b ut discontinued it in 1972 (it is still in the 1973 catalog though)
The FN 1906 and Colt 1908 VP are exactly the same gun. One was marketed in Europe (the FN 1906) the other was marketed in the US a couple years later. Both the FN and the Colt were made under license from Browning.
FWIW The FN 1910 and the Browning 1955 are also the same gun. Oddly enough, though, the FN 1903 and the Colt 1903 are NOT the same gun. At first glance they look similar, but they aren't.
The "Baby Browning"? It was introduced in 1931. 5 years AFTER Browning died. It was designed independently by Dieudonné Saive who was working at FN. FN had not asked him to design a .25 pocket gun, but they bought the rights to the gun and made it. Dieudonné Saive is the same engineer that completed the design of the Browning High Power...the last gun design Browning was working on, but didn't complete, before he died.
As an aside, I have a fondness of sorts for this little pistol. I was a police officer from 1973-2009. During my career I was shot three times. The first time was in 1976 when I was shot in the left hand by a bad guy with an Astra Cub in .22 short. The bullet stopped in my hand, and was removed at the hospital. I was treated and released from the hospital and did desk duty for a few days.
BTW...yeah, it hurt like HELL!
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@Fatty4president Incorrect. I explained all that above, you didn't read it. It's OK, it's the internet, admission price is very low and knowledge is optional...so here we go again:
The Colt Junior was designed by Astra, in Spain, in 1954...not before. In 1957 Colt arranged to import the Astra made gun under the Colt name. They were sold concurrently in the USA until 1968. Two years later, Colt made the Junior again, in the USA, but only until 1972. It uses a SA external hammer for firing.
The earlier gun was a striker fired type, designed by John Browning and sold in Europe as the FN 1906 and by Colt in the USA as the Model 1908 Vest Pocket Hammerless. The title went along with their Model 1903 Pocket Hammerless, also designed by Browning but that gun was actually a concealed hammer fired gun, not striker fired.
Both of those are totally unrelated to the Astra Cub/Colt Junior...other than being a small .25 ACP.
If anything, they are closer in design to the 1950s era Beretta Model 950 "Jetfire", sans the open slide and tip up barrel.
The later "Baby Browning" designed by Dieudonne Saive is a striker fired gun, not related to any of the above and designed 5 years after John Browning died.
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@ThomasHendrickson Not insofar as recoil is concerned. In a gas operated gun, whether the piston is short stroke, long stroke or "no piston" (direct impingement) the barrel is fixed in place. The barrel does not recoil with the bolt and does not contribute to the recoil impulse. The piston itself has insignificant weight to contribute to the recoil, compared to the weight of a barrel.
An M1 rifle is a long stroke gas piston, the M14 and M1 carbine are short stroke. The barrel is fixed in all of them. Observe the recoil of this .50 BMG long recoil rifle in slow motion and note the peak recoil occurs when the barrel and bolt, locked together, slam into the rear of the receiver. You would not see that with a gas operated rifle or shotgun.
Also because the gas is regulated with a gas port placed somewhere farther up the barrel from the chamber, where the gas pressure is considerably lower than chamber pressure, the energy driving the bolt is reduced. With a long recoil operated gun, whatever you shove out the front, comes back to hit you in the shoulder, multiplied by the mass of the barrel. Some designs, like the A-5, use a braking system with beveled bronze rings to squeeze the magazine tube and reduce the rearward speed of the barrel. The rings have to be set for the type of loads you will shoot. "Heavy loads" or "light loads". If it is set for light loads and you fire heavy loads in it, the A-5 is well known for splitting the buttstock lengthwise by driving the receiver tang back into the stock mortise. If you have the brake set for heavy loads, light loads won't cycle the action. You have to remove the barrel and the rings and position them for what you are shooting. This was one of the flaws of the Browning system that gas operation sought to fix. I suspect the muzzle brake of this rifle does that job, there being no magazine tube for braking rings to work on. I would hazard a guess that the owners manual says not to change or remove the muzzle brake.
Due to the speed of the recoiling mass in a .50 caliber rifle, the two recoil impulses may not be discernible as separate from the recoil generated by the firing of the cartridge. I don't know, I never fired a long recoil operated .50 BMG caliber rifle. But in a lighter recoiling arm, like a Browning A-5 or Remington 81 (both of which I own and shoot) it is very distinct as two separate recoil impulses. It is an unusual feeling. As Matt noted in the video. The barrel returning to battery, followed by the bolt slamming into battery a moment later create two separate "reverse recoil" impulses. All else equal (cartridge and load power) the long recoil operated gun has more felt recoil over a longer period than a gas gun of any persuasion. Hence Remington touting the Model 58 Sportsman (their first gas gun) as "softer recoiling". It is!
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