Comments by "marisafari" (@marisafari1806) on "GBPPR2" channel.

  1. +Back Space we're closer to corporate fascism/corporatism/crony capitalism. but whatever word you want to use, its all still centralized pyramidal power structures, just as yuri described.
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  2. "The Soviet Union thus portrays itself as socialist to protect its right to wield the club, and Western idealogists adopt the same pretense in order to forestall the threat of a more free and just society. This join attack on socialism has been highly effective in undermining it in the modern period." - from The Soviet Union Versus Socialism, by Chomsky - critic of corporations AND GOVERNMENT AND THE COLLUSION OF BOTH (i.e. fascism, inverted totalitarianism, the corporate state, corporatism, or CRONY capitalism) If you doubt this, watch Yuri's interview "Deception was my job" - At the beginning he describes the Soviet Union's economy as STATE CAPITALISM and SO CALLED communism. And here he describes socialism/communism as any centralized and pyramidal/HIERARCHICAL structure. But this can be FASCISM too. In fact, ANY system that is AUTHORITARIAN with CENTRALIZED power can fit this description. What can NOT fit is "WORKER CONTROL OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION." This definition is the exact OPPOSITE of hierarchy. It is DEcentralization with a HORIZONTAL structure. So whether it be consolidated governmental power or consolidated corporate power or the consolidation of power of corporations COLLUDING with government (what we have) - ANY consolidation leads to what Yuri warns against. The problem is that too many people get caught up on the WORDS and miss the UNDERLYING MESSAGE.
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  3. Back Space yep, there are plenty of "subversion processes"  like Edward Bernay's Propaganda. subversion/manipulation/propaganda/doublespeak-  this stuff aint new.
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  4. ***** few years ago :P yes, there's a lot of political correctness right now, and i think "safe spaces" are dumb, but it will pass. the PC police come in waves.
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  5. ah yes, mr disinformation gatekeeper chomsky- spreading KGB NWO illuminati freemason disinfo and keeping watch of those gates at the prime age of 86.
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  6. ***** maybe Freedom/Decentralization can be our uniting religion? a sort of Revolution to get back our Representative democracy/Republic? with the transnationals pushing to pass TPP/Obamatrade, and socialism for the few Bailouts, and cronyism/revolving door between washington and wallstreet- it seems the route to freedom is obvious, but there is so much doublespeak and censoring from the mainstream media. but ron paul and ralph nader have united to combat those who wish to take away our power- and if people as diverse as libertarians and progressives can find common ground, perhaps there is hope.
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  7. bob joe “in order for workers to control the means of production, workers must control other workers i.e. slavery.”  Wrong. Worker cooperatives are non-hierarchical or have limited hierarchy. Everyone has equal ownership (of the means of production) and often there is direct democratic voting/decision making. Democracy means rule by the people, not “mob rule” and worker cooperatives prove that democracy works in capitalist or mixed economic countries/systems. check out the wiki list of cooperatives around the world.  What you fail to understand is that there are multiple definitions of socialism. You are defining socialism as STATE ownership, or rather STATISM or AUTHORITARIANISM. But socialism can also mean WORKER ownership, like I previously described. Yes, thanks to propaganda, socialism has come to mean for the majority of people- soviet style statism. But there were no worker cooperatives under ussr, were there? I dont think so. The STATE ran the businesses- the state officials were just as despotic as their former Private despots. only worker cooperatives change the structure from hierarchical despotism (state or private doesnt matter) to horizontal and democratic.
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  8. ***** i was responding specifically to darth's "Destroy the American economy you destroy the AMERICAN MILITARY!" i would counter that our military in many ways props up our economy- through wars for oil, through investments in high tech to advance the weapons of war. through the military industrial complex as eisenhower warned against. check out yuri's interview and my post on that- at the beginning of the interview he refers to ussr in many ways, one being as State Capitalism. the state owned the businesses. but what we have now in the U.S.A is the state Colluding with corporations. this is fascism. or more accurate- corporate fascism. our government props up and bails out the big private institutions, like the big banks. i.e. we have socialism, but it is mostly for the corporations and their rich owners. and that wealthiest fraction of the population in turn buys out both political "sides" to keep the status quo- to keep the government working in their favor. Orwell was opposed to both. he was opposed to all forms of Centralization or Authoritarianism. he was an anarchist (in the political sense). i.e. a left libertarian. or anarcho syndicalist. he preferred the workers to own the means of their own production, as opposed to private Or State ownership. such as in catalonia. and yes, i have read 1984. lol. try his Homage to Catalonia. we have 5 media conglomerates controlling and narrowing the realm of discourse, and dividing the masses so that the corporate state can continue as they do. this is our propaganda. it is our manufactured consent. it is our brainwashing. thankfully we have a free internet to combat the brainwashing- for now at least.
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  9. +Pratip Ghosh Dastidar he thinks religion will prevent excessive consumerism which is part of the demoralization process (taking us away from the immaterial to the material, and from community/family to isolation/selfishness), but what he doesn't know is that buying crosses and bibles and WWJD bracelets is Christ like, and Jesus - as all good Christians will tell you - was a capitalist.
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  10. Flavius Belisarius Flavius Belisarius has been objectively wrong on so many things. He is a delusional youtuber who has no worldly experience or perspective. Chomsky, on the other hand, has had incredible influence on linguistics and political activism and understanding. His linguistic ideas have been used in a wide range of disciplines including mathematics and computer science, and he has been a long time teacher, critic, and activist- including being arrested multiple times for anti war protests. Sadly, there are many like Flav who still are herded by the corporate fascist mainstream media propaganda.
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  11. bob joe “just because someone can do X doesn't mean they can do Y.” true that. for instance, it seems you can respond to my comment to Flav, but so far seem incapable of responding to my comment to You.  try reading next time- i wrote “and political activism” and “he has been a long time teacher, critic, and activist” furthermore, his work- both on linguistics and politics and media propaganda- has been widely cited, and he has given lectures and has been interviewed on these topics around the world. “He disagrees with me, he must be brainwashed by propaganda. LOL nice logic” the same can be said about flav’s comment, hence my sarcastic reply- he gave no evidence of chomsky being “a delusional linguist” or “lacking worldly experience or perspective.” its just his unsubstantiated opinion.
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  12. Flavius Belisarius so i read the first (#10) “lie” and im sorry, but its ridiculous. it misses chomsky’s point and its out of context. i cant even.  and again “left cover for communist purges and genocides” wow bruh, you clearly dont know chomsky. try manufacturing consent. or you seem to be a molyneaux fan? try watching his interview with chomsky- results?search_query=molyneux+chomsky take care.
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  13. Flavius Belisarius show me where he defends “communist scumbag regimes” if its anything like how he “defended” it in that first “lie”, then you miss his point- being that he was NOT defending authoritarian “communism” (really just statism or state capitalism) but rather Comparing the atrocities of the US to the atrocities of the Soviet Union. and besides, whether you agree with all of his positions or not, you detract from my OP. my OP was not a defense of chomsky, rather just using One of his quotes to explain that authoritarianism/totalitarianism/statism/imperialism have nothing to do with such things like worker cooperatives. even right wing “libertarians” like molyneaux accept worker cooperatives within their “anarcho” cap utopia. the difference is- i and other left libertarians like chomsky believe that equality must come before a removal of the state, otherwise the richest/most powerful will develop a state apparatus or hire private institutions to once again gain Authoritarian Control. and then we’re worse off than before. “the government has a defect: it is Potentially_ democratic. Corporations have no defect: they are pure tyrannies”
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  14. darthvader5300 you sure you own us? america has spent more on defense than the next 7 countries Combined. russia has a puny military in comparison to us. 
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