Awesome Avenger
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Comments by "Awesome Avenger" (@awesomeavenger2810) on "Cuts, anger, frustration – and Labour still can’t break through | Anywhere but Westminster" video.
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Wow. Who knew ending wars was as easy as 'stop pissing people off'? How would that work then? Like, in Syria? Or Libya? Or Afghanistan? Because us desperately not pissing people off won't stop the bad guys there, will it?
Oh, shit! I made a moral judgement! I said 'Bad Guys'! I forgot it's all relative now, yes? Don't want to be culturally imperialist! Someone comes along and takes your kids away to force them to fight for the Jihadist cause, who are we to say that's not right?
And, yeah. It has to be the fault of the west. Because there was no history anywhere in the world until the west arrived. No wars. No conflict. Nothing. It was a haven of tranquillity. And then there's the age old Leftist conspiracy: It's all down to those evil capitalists. Funnily enough, that was what many on the far left said about fighting Hitler.
The fact that dictators like Saddam, Gaddafi, and Assad, were armed, not by the west, but by the soviets isn't important. In fact, if you were to look at the countries effected by the Arab Spring you would notice that the regimes that were closest to the west (Tunisia, Egypt) managed to avoid war (Tunisia removed their dictator, Egypt still has a way to go). Whereas, those regimes where the west had no influence at all (Iran, Syria, Libya) either erupted into all out war or the Arab Spring was quickly stamped out.
I suggest that if you were in Syria or Benghazi, and you heard that ISIS or Gaddafi was on his way to your town, you would not see the fight against them as 'expanding wars'. You talk as if there is no cost to inaction. But there is. History shows us there is.
Corbyn may think he can try diplomacy. But what has he got that ISIS or Gaddafi or Assad can't take? Do you think these people are playing? Dangerously naive.
In the meantime I would rather have a party that will make necessary decisions. Unpopular, but necessary realistic decisions. Because I don't want the country to get worse. And it can. If you think we have austerity now, take a look at Greece. Go take a look at Venezuela. Because wringing your hands over mass unemployment and hospitals running out of drugs, and food riots won't make any difference to reality then.
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It could very well be that the Conservatives are an evil subhuman species that lack normal human empathy, and who want to kill off as many people as possible. Just because. Or, it could actually be down to the fact that this country has massive debts. And in order for our economy not to collapse completely, we need to be making cuts.
I have no idea what documentary you are talking about. But nothing you have said refutes my claim. In Syria you have a war that has gone on for six years. Because not only does Iran back Assad, but also Russia. And those countries have no interest in the rights of their own citizens. Let alone the rights of others.
''...Question, if you or your kids got drafted into a war that you didn't agree with... as in WW2, any able bodied man over a certain age is now in the war... isn't it the same?''
In asking that question, you have proved my earlier point. That the left now stands for nothing. To you, fighting for ISIS or the Taliban is basically the same thing as fighting against fascism. You are unable to make a moral judgement between the two. As, to you, all morality is subjective.
So now you cannot see the difference between fighting against fascism. And fighting for fascism. Because to pick a side, and to make a moral judgement, would require you to admit that sacrifice for the greater good (in this case, safeguarding our rights and freedoms against political or religious fascism), is sometimes a necessity.
Your logic is driven by the need to avoid necessary sacrifice. So to you, all things are negotiable. They must be. You believe that you can negotiate with ISIS or the Taliban, or fascism in general, because to fight against them would require you to make a moral judgement against them. And to follow that judgement thro. At which point there would be consequences. And you'll do anything to avoid responsibility for the consequences.
Of course, it goes without saying that in the above case, you expect it to be others who live with the consequences of negotiation with the Taliban or with ISIS, rather than you (the Afghans or the Libyans or the Syrians). It's enough for you to mention Saudi Arabia for your conscience to be clear. The fight is going on in Afghanistan and Syria and Libya, but you can't get involved there because you say we'd have to declare war on Saudi Arabia as well (???). Any excuse.
Unfortunately, when it comes to the economic consequences of ignoring the massive debt we are in today, there is no negotiation. You are dealing with economic reality. The numbers do not add up. And no matter how much you plead or beg or how often you point out the rusted paintwork in your local park, the numbers will still not add up.
You can't avoid this one. You might like to think we can. You might like to think that everyone can have everything, and we can all go on spending what we do not have and there will be no consequences. But I don't believe you. And thankfully most people agree with me. Because we know that 'sorry, we got it wrong' won't undo the consequences of you doing nothing. As usual.
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