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Comments by "Awesome Avenger" (@awesomeavenger2810) on "Would Boris Johnson turn the Conservatives into a 'Brexit party?'" video.
'Would Boris Johnson turn the Conservatives into a Brexit party?' - Considering the referendum result, the question should be, why wouldn't he?
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@ruk2227 The country is already split on this issue. Just like it is split every 4 years on which party should govern. This is solved by a thing called a vote. It's a system that works. But it only works as long as it is respected by all sides. Once a sizable minority rejects the democratic consensus simply because it went against them, then the system breaks down. And when it breaks down, it breaks down for everyone.
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Sherlock Holmes The leave campaign made no promises at all. As it wasn't a general election. And the result was supposedly being delivered by a prime minister who campaigned to remain. And there was about as much dishonesty on both sides as the average general election - certainly less than in the 1975 referendum that got the UK entangled into the EU in the first place.
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@ruk2227 Once again, the problem comes from those who don't accept the results of a democratic vote, and who are stamping their feet claiming the UK will split if they don't get their way.
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Sherlock Holmes You seem to forget that the deal put forward by the EU has been rejected by parliament, and Brussels has said that is the only deal they are prepared to offer. Therefore, if the UK is to leave the EU, and that is what the UK voted to do, then it must do so with no deal. Nobody needs to defend the inability of anyone to predict the future. That is a given. The remain campaign made promises they too had no way of guaranteeing (there will be no EU army). They also took money from crooks convicted of insider trading and deceptive advertising.
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@ruk2227 Sorry, but neither leaving nor remaining in the EU can guarantee those things. The SNP will continue to campaign for Scottish independence as they have done for the past 40 years of the UK's membership of the EU (as will Welsh nationalists), whether the UK is in the EU or not. And the EU does not guarantee economic stability, or have you been asleep for the past decade or so?
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Sherlock Holmes Are you aware that in such negotiations there are two sides? Do you genuinely believe that May got to dictate not just her negotiating position, but the EU's as well? Or are you just pretending ignorance? A no deal Brexit is inevitable if parliament votes against the negotiated deal. And there is nothing 'embarrassing' about bringing up the subject of an EU army. You do realise what an EU army would mean, don't you? It would effectively enable the EU to declare war on behalf of its member states. Meaning the EU would ultimately set member states foreign policy. Now, you might be naive enough to believe you will be given a vote on that, but in regards to, say, the creation of a single currency, and taking into account 'ever closer union', history tells us otherwise.
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@ruk2227 I'm sorry? Have you not heard of a place called Greece? Did you not notice what was going on in Spain? Nobody is claiming leaving the EU will solve all the country's problems. If you don't like the tories, and you want labour to massively increase borrowing again, you can vote labour. But as you have just demonstrated, the EU has power but no responsibility. There is no way you can hold it to account, even if you were interested in doing so (which, lets be honest, even the most rabid supporter of EU membership is not). That is why there are no calls in the rest of Europe for a referendum on a deal that will define UK/EU relations for decades to come. No question that voters in Holland or Ireland will have their say. Because no one ever expected they would.
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@ruk2227 Greece and Spain are both members of the EU and have been since 1981 and 1986. The UK is already a member of the WTO. Whether anyone in Europe disagrees with the UK leaving the EU is not the issue, as this is the new reality. Just as there was no question of the EU putting the results of TTIP negotiations with the US to the people, there are no calls for referendums on any Brexit deal from the rest of the EU because you cannot hold the EU to account. Parliament is deadlocked because, despite the fact it voted to put the question of EU membership to the people, and despite the fact it voted to enact article 50, it then voted against the withdrawal agreement. This is what happens when parliament is elected on a promise to enact the will of the people, but then fails to do so. And project fear only works on remainers.
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Sherlock Holmes Lol. May's deal is the result of negotiation with the EU. So yes, the EU is as responsible for it as May. Or do you think they were sitting passive in the room? Did the UK have a referendum on the creation of the single currency? Did you get a vote on EU enlargement? Do you honestly think there would be a referendum on the creation of an EU army? You won't be asked.
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Sherlock Holmes Well, you've argued against the vote, trashed the democratic consensus, taken hypocrisy to a whole new level, and are now pushing for the breakup of the UK. All because you didn't get the result you wanted. Now all you need to do is put your hope in the vile old anti-Semite leading the labour party. Because lets be honest here, you really couldn't sink any lower.
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Sherlock Holmes You're the one arguing against the facts. Nick Clegg himself claimed in the run up to the referendum that the idea of an EU army was nothing but a fantasy, a conspiracy dreamt up by Farage. We've all seen how the political consensus has refused to recognise the referendum result (never mind their own promises on respecting it). And we know how Brussels deals with referendum results that stand in their way. Are you really that naive as to believe you'd ever get a choice? Like Clegg, they wouldn't even admit it was an issue, much less campaign on it. You've heard of 'ever closer union', yes? Or like Clegg, do you think thats just a fantasy too? You seem to give no agency to the EU at all. Almost as if you believe it to be a passive observer (maybe this is why you had so much trouble understanding that Brussels is as responsible for the Brexit deal as May is). What exactly do you think they do all day? How would you even begin to hold it to account, when, despite all its power, you completely absolve it of any responsibility for anything at all?
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