Comments by "Todd Beamer" (@toddbeamer6131) on "andrew gold | heretics."
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Try hitting them at the very base: the history. There is no history to support mecca, muhammed, or anything. According to islamic narratives, mecca is the oldest and most famous in the world. According to their texts, Abraham knew about it and visited it. They say pilgrims of many faiths knew about it and visited it. They say it was a prosperous merchant city. Now ask for any historical evidence outside of islamic texts written much later (by authors who lived far north of the arabian peninsula) - and there is none. Look where mecca is on a map; it lies in a desert, a long way from anywhere, and has the most pitiful natural water source - a single, deep well with only seasonal output. It is not on any trade route. No ancient city was even possible there because of the lack of water. Now ask for archaeological evidence - there is none (even though the modern high-rise buildings around the kaaba had to have deep foundation dug for them). Now ask for descriptions by pilgrims who visited from nearby empires at the time of muhammed, or any century before that; there is nothing. Try finding a contemporary map (7th century) or earlier) with mecca on it: nothing. Then ask for 7th century islamic texts, like an original 7th century muhammed quran; none. A 7th century Uthman quran: none. Any complete 7th century quran: nothing. An original 7th century hadith; none. An original 7th century sira (biography); none. The entire cult was a later fabrication, a political project, by arab leaders who lived far north of the arabian peninsula.
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