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Look where mecca is. In the middle of a desert, a long way from anywhere. Then look at the water supply - a single, deep well that has only a limited and seasonal output. There is no way there is enough water for a city of any size, and particularly not a city in a desert. It is simply a ludicrous claim that it was a large, prominent city going back to the time of Abraham. It could never have been an ancient city in that place, with such a pitiful water source.
But even if one believed there was a city that was prospering for hundreds of years up until the 7th century, where is the evidence for that? What archaeological evidence is there, such as old coins, broken pottery, inscriptions, old foundations from the buildings and city walls, etc. There is nothing. If you take a comparison to Jerusalem, then they find new material all the time that confirms the written history. When they dig in mecca, all they find is sand. The islamic claims for mecca simply don't hold water!
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Wind back to 1948, when Israel declared independence within the old British mandate, in a very small area of the total area. The largest part of the old mandate was for a palestinian state! Both groups were promised their own, separate countries, and there was every opportunity for the arabs to unify, form a government, and declare independence too. Instead, they rejected every proposal for a Jewish state, no matter how small, bickered among themselves, and when Israel was declared they joined with every nearby muslim country to attack. The arabs could have had a country much larger than Israel, and enjoyed decades of peace and prosperity. All of that was possible. Instead, Egypt and what is now Jordan stole much of the land that was originally on offer to the palestinians! And the arabs are still bickering and fighting among themselves (e.g. fatah/hamas). The only explanation for such bizarre, antisocial behaviour is the scripture and teachings of islam.
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The cult should be called out for what it is, a terrorist organisation. Its scripture and teachings break western laws on incitement of violence, racial hatred, misogyny, FGM, etc. Either classify it as such and close it all down, or charge anyone who preaches such material, and then charge the organisations they work under, and fine/confiscate assets so they cannot function. For example, next time one of their clerics preaches about 'apes and pigs' they should be charged, prosecuted and severely punished.
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I've seen this argument used several times before, by Christian Prince.
1. The quran is supposed to be the perfect book of allah and cannot be bettered by human or jinn
2. But the quran contains many direct quotes of jinn, i.e. their own words and sentences.
3. Therefore the words of jinn are not only as good as those of allah but are already present within the quran
4. So how can the quran/allah make a challenge of absolute superiority when it already contains material from exactly the group it claims cannot possibly provide anything equivalent or better?
To anyone not brainwashed by the cult, this "challenge" by the quran/allah is ridiculous, yet you see muhammedans try to wiggle around with excuses like, 'allah is just quoting them, they are not speaking", when in fact the quotes are supposedly verbatim. These sentences are supposed to be what the jinn said, exactly. The "challenge" cannot even withstand a cursory examination without falling apart. It is a comedy, a farce, a joke.
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In many past videos, you have predicted the racial/ethnic background of criminals based on the details of their crime. If you were consistent, you could have said that you believe the circulating name is almost certainly fake but still the crime had all the hallmarks of a non-indigenous person.
Next was the reluctance of the police to say what the ethnic background was, which is a red rag to a bull for most law abiding citizens in the UK. They know immediately what hiding the background means. The excuse the police gave for not releasing information was insufficient in terms of the public interest, and that is exactly what a judge said about it too. The public had a right to know if this was part of a wider threat to children, and exactly why it was or wasn't.
Finally, it doesn't matter what migrant background it was, it was yet another case of murder by yet another person of immigrant background. Yet the authorities say there is no problem at all, and anyone who says so is branded a racist and harrassed by the police. Tommy Robinson is a good example of such harassment, imprisonment, and worse.
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Try hitting them at the very base: the history. There is no history to support mecca, muhammed, or anything. According to islamic narratives, mecca is the oldest and most famous in the world. According to their texts, Abraham knew about it and visited it. They say pilgrims of many faiths knew about it and visited it. They say it was a prosperous merchant city. Now ask for any historical evidence outside of islamic texts written much later (by authors who lived far north of the arabian peninsula) - and there is none. Look where mecca is on a map; it lies in a desert, a long way from anywhere, and has the most pitiful natural water source - a single, deep well with only seasonal output. It is not on any trade route. No ancient city was even possible there because of the lack of water. Now ask for archaeological evidence - there is none (even though the modern high-rise buildings around the kaaba had to have deep foundation dug for them). Now ask for descriptions by pilgrims who visited from nearby empires at the time of muhammed, or any century before that; there is nothing. Try finding a contemporary map (7th century) or earlier) with mecca on it: nothing. Then ask for 7th century islamic texts, like an original 7th century muhammed quran; none. A 7th century Uthman quran: none. Any complete 7th century quran: nothing. An original 7th century hadith; none. An original 7th century sira (biography); none. The entire cult was a later fabrication, a political project, by arab leaders who lived far north of the arabian peninsula.
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Cheer up. There is no better time to criticise islame. The best historical evidence shows there was no city of mecca at the supposed time of (fictional) muhammed. No mecca at that time, or in the 6th century, 5th, 4th, etc. Geography simply rules out any famous city at that place because it lies in a desert and has only the most pitiful natural water source. To claim it was an ancient city going back to Abraham requires extraordinary evidence to support. And they have none. Zero. No archaeological finds from the 7th century or earlier. The earliest artifacts are from an 13th century Turkish fort. The entire historical basis of their cult is an obvious lie. That is the reason they have no original 7th century muhammed quran, no original 7th century Uthman quran, no original 7th century quran at all, no original 7th century hadiths, no original 7th century sira. Jay Smith and the research team behind him have now tracked down the earliest existing copies of the hadiths, and they are all far later than previously stated. The coin evidence and inscriptions show the cult was a later fabrication project, done under the command of arab rulers who lived far north of the arabian peninsula.
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@ "accepted by the Yuin" He claimed 3-4 tribal origins! From all over the place. Pascoe routinely describes himself as a Bunurong, Yuin and Tasmanian Aboriginal man. However, two of those communities, Bunurong and Tasmanian, have flat-out denied Pascoe’s claims. Pascoe also claimed his family had recently learned of a connection to the Wiradjuri people of central NSW.
He was eventually (2019) accepted by some of the Yuin, but that is by no means unanimous. A key community organisation, the Aboriginal Land Council of Eden, does not accept Pascoe’s claim. Yuin man BJ Cruse, who has chaired the land council for most of the last 40 years, told Crikey that he couldn’t back Pascoe’s claim."
"..as chair of the council and as a born-again Christian I have to obey the law.” he said, “And I don’t have the power to accept him as Aboriginal.”
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And in any case, what significance are such number tricks? Reading the text itself shows it is largely nonsense, and much of it clearly borrowed from other sources (although the scribes consistently got the stories wrong).
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"said to me" Lying is permitted when speaking to non-believers. They do it all the time, so you have to check everything they say against what their scripture actually says, not what they tell you.
"They dont believe in that type of islam" Their scripture is full of commands to do violence to others. Either they have invented their own version of the cult that rejects all that scripture, or they are lying.
Let's take a look at one example of what muhammed said: ""...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " (Sahih al-Bukhari 3017). That is violent, and it is directed to someone who leaves the cult (perhaps converting to Christianity). Based on those words of muhammed, it became 'divine law' for all time. Many cult-majority countries today enforce that law.
Ask your best friends parents if muhammed said that or not. If they agree he did say that, then ask how that is not violence against other people. They will probably become angry or start making up excuses, like "they are a traitor and deserve to be executed" or "back in those ancient times things were different". Obviously they are not traitors (they have just changed religion!), and it doesn't matter how long ago that was because muhammed is supposed to provide the example for all cult members, and for all generations.
If you hear these types of excuses, then you will know they are just lying, and were lying to you before.
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The cult texts, teachings and ideology break normal laws, and the entire cult should be classified as a terrorist threat and banned. If any other group preached from texts commanding hatred of others, genocide, slavery, rape, torture and misogyny it would be charged, taken to court, and forced to adhere to conventional western standards and laws. Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away. The internal documents of the muslim brotherhood that were found by the FBI revealed their tactics: they aimed to use the open, democratic western institutions against the government and citizens in order to destroy it. This is why the left support them - because they have the same aim (destroying western, capitalist democracies).
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Muslim clerics preach about a group they describe as "descendants of apes and pigs" or "like apes and pigs". All muslims know immediately what that group is, and they also know this description is based directly on their scripture. They are fed this type of poison from birth. Is it any wonder they learn to hate members of that group, and persecute, and kill them? More generally, all non-believers are described as filth ("najis", quran 9:28), or "the worst of creatures" (quran 98:6), i.e. not even human. Every time they pray, five times a day, they denigrate other faiths. The entire cult is based on hate and violence, yet they claim victimhood after every attack they make on non-believers. What is worse, is that they are promised divine rewards for violence against non-believers. The more you read of their scripture, the worse it gets.
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Thanks for your honest insights. I don't understand the lack of emphathy you found by israelis (arab and jewish) to the Oct 7th atrocity. Surely that must be a small percentage? Arab muslims would be conflicted in their response to this because their scripture commands them to do, well, lots of nasty things to all non-believers. They get taught this every time they go to a mosque, no matter where in the world it is. If you spent time with David and AP, then you would have learned a lot about islam. The more you know, the worse it gets. Much worse. What hamaz did is nothing compared to what the cult texts command and cult founder did.
My reaction to Oct 7th? I was appalled at what hamaz did, and what they represent, and how the gazan population all supported their crimes. The most disgusting crimes. They do this because of their religion, which directly commands them to do such things. There will be no peace until the cult is disintegrated. That is exactly what David and AP are helping to do.
You are right about the western media (with exceptions like Douglas Murray), and institutions because they have been taken over by leftists, but most normal people are realising that what they are seeing on TV or hearing on the radio is biased garbage. Yes, the West has a problem, but this leftist/woke bias does not represent the west as a whole. David and AP are good examples of what normal people think.
Morals: try discussing this with a muslim. They respond by saying they have none - because all they are commanded to do is follow what their scripture commands them. Morals are not part of that, and you cannot use a moral argument with them. They just point to their book, or sharia, and say those are the rules. That is how they brainwash cult members. Like hamaz. Like gazans.
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"Did Muhammad belong to a community of people that were Christian or Jewish" In the 'standard islamic narrative' muhammed was born to a tribe that worshipped many gods and goddesses, and stones (like the Black Stone). One of those gods was called al-lah (his wife was al-lat). This was in Mecca, and it was a pilgrimage site for many faiths, including Christians. When muhammed first heard voices in his head, and was shocked and scared by the experience, someone who knew about Christianity suggested it might have been an angel (rather than a demon sending him mad). The obvious reason was to save face, because muhammed was married to a rich and powerful businesswoman. There were no pyschiatrists back then, and no drugs to treat mental disorders like that. Convincing him it was a friendly 'divine messenger' calmed him down and suppressed his suicidal depression.
That is the standard narrative. Historically, the entire cult is a fabrication by the later abassids, purely for political reasons (to unite the arab empire). No mecca, no muhammed.
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@Theblaqueone716 What I am amazed by is that muslims have not demanded to see proof that mecca is as ancient and important a city as their scripture and religious leaders tell them. It is supposed to be the oldest city in history. Even Abraham is supposed to have visited it. The hadith collections describe it as a famous pilgrimage site, a place of trade and commerce, widely known, with lots of people of different faiths coming and going. When muhammed and his army attacked mecca, they needed tens of thousands of soldiers to convince the city to surrender. The city was supposed to have had large city walls, magnificent buildings, the kaaba surrounded by hundreds of religious artifacts, a booming merchant commerce, plentiful water for drinking, agriculture, etc.
And what is the evidence for any of that? Nothing. When they dig in the sand to create the foundations for all the big buildings, all they find is sand. Nothing else. It is not on any maps from the 7th century or earlier. Not described by any pilgrims or merchants in neighboring empires. The city lies in a desert, a long way from anywhere, and its only water source is a single, deep well that has only a pitiful and seasonal output. That means there never was a great ancient city of mecca in the 7th century, or any time before that. Without mecca, the entire cult falls like a house of cards.
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Go read some history to see how silly your claims are. In 2005 a peace agreement was made between Israel and Gaza in which Israel would remove all Jews, even jewish graves, and Gaza would be left under the control of the remaining Gazans. The idea was that Gaza could do what Jordan did, and form their own country. What did Gazans do? They elected a terrorist government (Hamas) that immediately slaughtered all opposition party members (e.g. Fatah); embezzled all the billions of international aid, and bought weapons and dug tunnels, and taught their children how to hate non-believers. The result of this was seen on Oct 7th of last year. Not only hamas soldiers but normal gazans crossed the border and murdered anyone they could find, even foreign nationals like Thais, Nepalese and Philipinos. From 2005 to Oct 7th, Israel allowed Gazans to cross the border and work in Israel, and they offered medical services, and they supplied electricity and clean water. Many top hamas leaders now live in luxury with the stolen international aid money in Qatar. Exactly how did Israel create this disaster?
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"choose to desecrate" Well the caliph Uthman had no problem burning all previous qurans, even the texts directly from the time of muhammed. Didn't they teach you that? And Abd-al-Malik and his advisor al-Hajjaj had no problems destroying all previous qurans to standardise their own as well. The Egyptian government had no problems dumping all non-Hafs qurans in the Nile.
But I agree, they should have first read out some of the more appalling parts of the quran, such as the ones permitting slavery, sex slavery, hatred of Christians/Jews, denigration of women, commands of violence towards other religions, etc., etc. What is your favorite verse about slaughtering non-believers abdool? Oh, I see you are black - so what part of slavery do you enjoy most? Did you know muhammed owned and traded guys like you? Perhaps you weren't told about it, but it is all there to read in the sira and sahih ahadith - if you can be bothered reading them in a language you understand.
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"please don't mention..." Yes, always the same excuse; a 'mental illness'.
OK, so here are some more
1. "On 24 September 2014, an 18-year-old man, Numan Haider, was shot and killed by police outside Endeavour Hills police station. Haider was found to be carrying two knives and an Islamic State flag". Any clues for a motive?
2. "On 2 October 2015, an Iranian-born Iraqi-Kurdish youth shot dead 58-year-old Curtis Cheng, Four other 'alleged Islamic State members' were arrested and charged in relation to the shooting." Any clues for a motive?
3. "On 10 September 2016, Islamist Ihsas Khan attacked a man in a park in Minto, New South Wales. Mr Khan had been planning to attack a civilian at random on September 11 to coincide with the anniversary of the Al Qaeda attacks on the United States." Any clues for a motive here?
4. "On 7 April 2017, a pair of 15- and 16-year-old boys entered a service station in the city of Queanbeyan, New South Wales and stabbed the attendant, 29-year-old Zeeshan Akbar of Pakistani descent, who died at the scene. "He sympathised with Islamic State.. The police treated this as an act of terrorism." Any clues for a motive?
5. "On 5 June 2017, 29-year-old Somali-born Islamist Yacqub Khayre shot dead receptionist Kai Hao in the foyer at a serviced apartment complex in the suburb of Brighton in Melbourne." "Police responded and Khayre died in a shoot-out with three police officers wounded. Khayre had referred to ISIS and al-Qaeda in a phone call to the media. In 2010 he had been acquitted of the earlier Holsworthy Barracks terror plot." Any clue for a motive here?
6. "Momena Shoma, a Bangladeshi Islamist, stabbed a 56-year-old man in the neck while he was asleep at his Callistemon Rise home in Mill Park. She has been charged with engaging in a terrorist act and it's alleged she was inspired by terror group Islamic State" Any clue for a motive here?
7. "On 9 November 2018, one male attacker, Hassan Khalif Shire Ali, set his vehicle on fire and stabbed three people at Bourke Street in the Melbourne central business district. Hassan's 21-year-old younger brother, Ali Khalif Shire Ali, was arrested in November 2017 for planning to commit a mass shooting at Melbourne's New Year's Eve celebration." Any clue for a motive?
Many more examples. Go do some homework. Why is it always the same pattern, wherever they go in the world? We know now that it is part of their scripture, and follows the example of the cult founder - a bloodthirsty warlord, misogynist and slave owner.
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