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  47. Thanks for your thoughts, and thanks for being respectful. Many fans of the show who comment here are not as respectful as you've been. What we're dealing with here in the case of the History Channel show is a deception by subtle misleading and inviting the gullible audience to jump to conclusions. The show's veracity as a historical source is fatally tainted by the fact that none of its supposed discoveries are backed by any reputable documentary evidence. What about that "Roman sword" they found that proved to be a toy souvenir manufactured in the 1970s? The producers of the show were not very transparent about this, and there's a reason: being honest about it would have undermined their audience's faith in the central premise of the series, which is to keep you watching in the hopes that they'll unearth treasure there. They won't. Still, of all the things you point out, the only one that's factually inaccurate is your claim that the "flood tunnels" have been found. They haven't been. What was found were the remains of access tunnels built by the 1862/63 treasure hunt expedition who tried to come at the "treasure" site from below. Their workbook, documenting exactly where and how they built the lumber and stone-lined channels, is documented and was catalogued by historians in 2014 (a fact I would imagine the History Channel show would rather not have its viewers know). The 1862-built tunnels were found previously on the 1897 excavation. The fact that they aren't the "flood tunnels" famed in the legend is self-evident from the fact that the "treasure" pit was not discovered immediately afterwards, which it would have been if they were part of a treasure operation. Nevertheless, all the other supposed discoveries made by the show producers don't support the treasure hypothesis. They are, in fact, artifacts of previous treasure digs. Every time someone digs a 200-foot shaft on the island, fails to find treasure, goes bankrupt and gives up, they fill the holes they dug back in with the junk and detritus they originally dug out. What this means is that debris from previous treasure hunts has been continuously and repeatedly buried, re-exhumed, re-buried, dug up again, and churned multiple times over the last 150 years. Everything you mentioned--a stone pathway, lumber and boulders, iron ox shoes, barrel staves, tools, a pine kiln, waterproofing materials, a man-made swamp--every single thing is entirely consistent with what you would expect from previous large-scale treasure digs. None are consistent with an operation existing prior to the first treasure hunt. Furthermore, contrary to all the treasure stories, the island has been continuously inhabited (by Native Americans, among others) for hundreds of years. Thus the discovery of human remains going back centuries is, again, exactly as consistent with an island that never had a "treasure" operation on it, as it is with one that did--a real-world example of which, I might add, is virtually unknown in documentary history anyway. Why, if the Borehole 10X video was supposedly conclusive, did it wind up "in a large archive in the guy's house"? You would think if it's the slam-dunk proof that he claimed it was, decades before the Lagina brothers ever heard of the place, he would have been shouting it from the rooftops. This is a telltale sign of fraud. If by the "history of the place" you mean the history of previous treasure hunts, you're entirely correct--that's the history that they're exhuming, at great profit to themselves and the History Channel's advertisers. I'm not sure what other "history" remains there to be uncovered. There is no evidence of anything other than a scam, and a series of treasure hunts by gullible investors beginning in the early 19th century. None of the methods that historians use to verify and document the past, or to build plausible hypotheses about what happened in the past, are being used by the producers of this show. In fact, the show is an example of not to do history, and how pseudohistorical narratives can be used to manipulate the conclusions that people jump to, largely for the commercial gain of their advertisers (and the Lagina brothers themselves, who I am told have gotten rich renting the heavy excavating equipment that they own back to the producers of the show). If you really step back and think about what you've been shown, I think you'll conclude that it doesn't add up to even a shadow of what its purveyors so fondly suggest might be the case. Thanks again for your comment.
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  111. You seem to forget that indigenous peoples have inhabited all parts of the Americas continuously since the end of the Ice Age, and also that there were European settlements in North America, albeit not permanent ones, considerably earlier than Jamestown. The island was not uninhabited; it's been continuously inhabited for centuries, so it's no surprise that a piece of a human bone might be found there, especially one dating from post-Columbian contact. And even if it's not an indigenous person (how can they tell?) you're wrong about Jamestown. It was not the first British settlement in America; it was the first settlement that was continuously inhabited. Numerous other settlements, by Britons, French and Spanish, were established in many parts of maritime North America; those proto-colonies, dating back to the 1500s, all failed for one reason or another. They also traded (and intermixed genetically) frequently with Native populations, so the ethnicity of any human remains you might find there will definitely be diverse. If you think about it logically, these discoveries, even assuming they're genuine (i.e., that a gonzo reality TV show that exists solely to entertain its viewers, not for historical scholarship), are entirely consistent with the hypothesis that nothing particularly special went on at Oak Island--which, given the logical problems with believing in a treasure operation, is the overwhelming front-runner among explanations of the island's history. In short, I continue to remain unimpressed.
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  322. I see two logical flaws in your analysis. The first is that you elevate possibility to the same level as plausibility. Whether or not it is possible that Captain Kidd or someone else buried treasure here and then was somehow, by some bizarre and convoluted chain of events, prevented from returning for it, is beside the point. The question is not whether such a thing could have happened, but whether the evidence indicates that it did happen in this particular case. This conflation of "could happen" with "did happen" is the same faulty reasoning used, among others, by conspiracy theorists. The second logical flaw is that you seem to presume that the "Curse of Oak Island" TV show is a reliable source that has anything worthwhile to contribute to the subject. Personally I remain unconvinced of this, because no one has ever explained to me why the TV show's assertions should be given any weight at all. This show appears on the same network that told us "ancient aliens" were a thing. To any legitimate historian, that's an insurmountable credibility problem. If any of the show's assertions do prove to be real, they will work their way into legitimate scholarship. If then, and only then, do they deserve to be taken seriously. Until that time, the "Curse of Oak Island" might as well be a Saturday morning cartoon. No real historians credit it; it makes no genuine contribution to the body of scholarship, such as it is, about Oak Island. It's a game show. Its viewers are unwilling contestants in a contest based entirely on deception. I can't fathom why most people don't understand this.
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  955. Actually, that's not true, it's a bit more nuanced. Under the law, vicarious guilt for a crime--being an abettor or accessory--attaches only when a person knows that what she's doing is in furtherance of a crime. Driving the getaway car for a bank robber is itself a crime because you know you're facilitating the crime of bank robbery. What Stephanie Stearns was guilty of was abetting boat theft and Walker's flight from prosecution--if she genuinely did not know Walker had murdered them, she can't be guilty vicariously. Under the law, the state could not prosecute her for murder unless they can prove (and it's the prosecution's burden to prove, not hers to disprove) that what she knew was going on was Buck Walker's murder of the Grahams. She insisted she did not know; she continued to believe they died in an accident. Under the circumstances that belief was probably not reasonable, but because it was a criminal case, where mens rea (actual state of mind of the defendant) is an element of the crime, the state could not convict her on a "Well, you should have known what was going on" standard. If I was on that jury I would have voted to acquit, even if I felt, as in fact I do, that her belief that the Grahams died in a boat accident was not reasonable. She deluded herself, and she abetted many of Walker's crimes, but murder was not one of them--at least, she didn't abet that crime knowingly, which was what the law says you had to prove to convict her. This is why, as a legal matter, her ducking the police at Ala Wai Harbor is not prima facie evidence of her guilt, at least guilt of murder.
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