Comments by "L.W. Paradis" (@l.w.paradis2108) on "FULL DEBATE: Jimmy Dore u0026 Sam Seder on 2016 Presidential Election" video.

  1.  @alexmcbride7563  No. His big picture view has been all too accurate. Were it not for COVID, Trump would have won -- and we all know why. Or are wilfully blind. When Dore gave this interview, he was (1) overly optimistic about the midterms; and (2) perfectly willing to concede to Seder that Seder does know more about politics than he does. It's Sam who reflexively dismisses working class voices, or demonizes them. He seems like a nice guy. He should rethink this. So should all the other suburbanite VIRTUE SIGNALERS. This move is not working so well. You needed a pandemic to get rid of Trump. (!!!)
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  2.  @jordan2170  I didn't intend for it to come across that way, but you're right. In this video, Dore concedes that he is NOT as knowledgeable as Seder. (Well, no kidding.) In other videos, Seder falls all over himself looking for ways to disrespect Dore as a person. The fact is, Dore has been uncanny at times in showing exactly the right political instincts. And at other times not. He was traumatized by having to declare bankruptcy when he developed a very rare bone disorder, and he still feels ashamed about it, because he wasn't raised to view bankruptcy as just some paperwork to fill out. It still shows. Of course it clouds his views. And sometimes it gives him insights that people who will always have enough money to pay a doctor will never grasp, because they don't know what it feels like not to have means for real necessities. They have no idea. So, I value his perspective, even though it will not always be right.
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  3. He admits he expected more from the Democrats than Russiagate. He admits he didn't see that coming.
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  4.  @jordan2170  I said he dismisses working class VOICES, not working class "concerns," since some of Sam's concerns do happen to overlap with working class concerns. Seder is dripping with elitist condescension toward anyone who is not of his class. Repugnant display of ad hominem innuendo. In another video, Seder does one better: making fun of Dore's new house because it doesn't have a pool. Wow, at age 55, and after a bankruptcy due to medical bills, former bricklayer Dore buys the kind of house lawyer's son Seder took for granted all his life. To complete the irony, dissing the working class screams nouveau riche. Classy people listen politely. Get a clue.
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  5. 14:56 How was he right about this? 31:05 How about this?
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  6.  @gregorymagarshak7953  Well, we're here. The DNC lost the Senate again. In what should have been a walk in the park for Democrats. A landslide. And their operatives are blaming BLM, not Russiagate. Wake UP.
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  7.  @wvu05  They almost did, and now rely on Vice President Harris as tie-breaker, provided they can keep Manchin in their camp.
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  8.  @jon9428  Actually, I disagree. You're talking style more than substance. How often in this clip did Dore concede he could be wrong, and asked Sam for information? Do you see Sam do anything of the kind? Does he have any interest in learning about how actual working class people think? I don't mind Sam, his manner doesn't bother me, but I can grasp why it might bother a lot of people.
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  9.  @Horus070  Don't swear at me. We almost reelected Orange Caligula thanks to the DNC. Who did you THINK pulled this latest stunt? I'm to blame? No, honey. I have relatives in one of those places the US bombed with depleted uranium, and Americans can't find in the map. You owe me, if anything. You have problems that elections cannot solve, but can make hugely worse. That much I agree with.
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  10.  @jon9428  Did the DNC work to win back the Senate? Or did they work to "prove" that Hillary lost the election "on account of Putin?" I'm just curious who they were working for. They certainly made sure to run a superb candidate in 2020, who won a resounding victory, a virtual landslide. /s
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  11. Um, you don't know about the relationship between the state and federal system, do you? The Supreme Court can't do all that stuff. It's outside of its jurisdiction. The DNC was supposed to win back the Senate. Gee. What happened?
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  12.  @CabbageYe  No. He's literally the youngest of twelve children and a former bricklayer. But thanks for your concern.
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  13.  @CabbageYe  You changed your "mind?" If you insist.
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  14.  @ephre  You back because Jimmy has been teaming with Ron Placone and the superb Aaron Mate lately? Streaming now!
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  15.  @jon9428  Who is responsible? A HILLARY presidency would have made for a better 2020 election for Democrats? A sweep of both the House and the Senate? Oh, those hardworking DNC, to think they are being taken apart by a standup comic who broadcasts from his garage. Oh, and Jesus memes. Jesus memes turn elections. Because Putin.
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  16. What's dangerous is expecting the DNC not to be closet Republicans at every opportunity. Anyone who proceeds from that idea will make some serious mistakes for sure.
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  17. I don't think you listened to the whole program.
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  18.  @MrBungle4u  What can't I "admit?" Wow, you have weird ideas about other people's concerns. Maybe that's why you take DNC types too seriously? Normal people don't care that much.
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  19.    The pressure is on for M4A, huh? :)
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  20.  @jordan2170  Show me where Sam Seder has invited a working class person on his show and listened respectfully. I can wait. Personally, I do not care for Joe Rogan, but I sure do understand why he has a following. A little more than 70% of American adults over age 25 do not have a college degree. You see people interested in their perspective much? And Jimmy managed to go, despite growing up without a bookshelf. (He mentions that a lot.) How come he saw through Russiagate? From a conservative Catholic background? You know he was encouraged to hate on Russia.
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  21.  @ellenstonehill678  Oh? You're following ME, now? Unless someone is paying you, don't waste your time. My "framing" is right on target, BTW, whereas your gaslighting should be compensated. No self-respecting person should lie for free. Get good at it, and maybe you can have a nice house by age 55, too! (At least Jimmy laid a few bricks in his younger years. I know you never did that type of real work.)
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  22.  @ellenstonehill678  Um, I commented six months ago. You taught school, huh? Cringe.
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  23.  @ellenstonehill678  Quote three statements I made that are demonstrably false, at any time, on a regular basis or sporadically.
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  24.  @ephre  No, Sam is lousy at comedy, so called. You're even worse at tone policing. Maybe you should make commercials for CIA recruitment, too.
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  25.  @ephre  Dore is always first to invite people like Christian Smalls on his show. I noticed you didn't name a soul.
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  26.  @ephre  Okay, I'll spell it out: you and this nonsense don't interest me. I'm writing to let others know to watch, because Aaron is tremendous.
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  27.  @ephre  Jimmy and Ron have wonderful wives. Aaron is happy right now, too. That's what they have.
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  28.  @ephre  Wait. You think a comedy career, or something, is more important? Why, you must be an (Anglo) American!!
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  29.  @crotchy7667  I cringe at teachers who baselessly call someone a liar, nothing less. Education is supposed to teach reflection based on evidence, in a dispassionate manner and tethered to a real world. It's not supposed to hone advertising/marketing/surveillance/propaganda/jeering skills, even if those are the ones that pay the most. You get that, or no? Not enough four letter words for you to grasp the argument? ("Thank a teacher?") You all remind me of Trump, when I want to forget.
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  30.  @ephre  Time to block whatever this one is.
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  31.  @jackeagleeye3453  I agree. I am completely baffled by his supporters, who ignore all the things he did wrong during COVID, and that he even admitted to in his interview with Bob Woodward. Their eyes still glaze over as though they were in a cult.
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  32.  @jon9428  Why all this attacking? You all imitate Trump and Fox News. No one knows when they're dealing with a false flag anymore. If you really are against Trump, and Trumpism, calm down and rethink your approach. Trump has been a disaster in every way, including his effect on discourse.
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  33.    Sigh. Here we go. This is all about M4A.
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  34.    You're also LYING about what I wrote, and now seem to be following me around on multiple threads. Whoa, scared, are we?
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  35.  @Horus070  You, too.
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  36.  @Horus070  Why am I not a citizen? Because I'm not monocultural, monolingual, and monochromatic, IOW hopelessly lame? America is changing. :D
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  37.    Of M4A and the growing groundswell.
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  38.    I see no comments from you here, before about an hour ago, Dec. 17. LOL.
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  39.    You've got some reason to swear? What might that be?
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  40.  @wvu05  How could someone (so tempted to say "something") like Trump win in the first place? Has ANYONE ever been this incompetent, and indifferent to the point of criminal negligence? And that is putting the best possible face on it. Was there some . . . lesson here?
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  41.  @wvu05  A lot of truth to that -- but does it explain the victory?
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  42.  @wvu05  So, how did Obama manage to win twice? Was his platform, plus the fact that people believed and expected that he would deliver, what made the difference? Obama won under the same system and Clinton, a more experienced politician, couldn't pull it out. Did people vote Obama expecting Moderate Lite?
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  43.  @vasilcvetkovski7249  You can't say that -- though I wonder who would have been president in 2021 if Clinton had won in 2016. Someone worse than any of the candidates in 2016, or 2020? We cannot exclude that.
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  44.    Um, you talking to me? What does this have to do with anything I said?
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  45.    Ha ha ha ha ha. Thanks, that was great. P. S. It's nice to "feel."
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  46.  @wvu05  They didn't win the Senate outright. It's arithmetic. What's to admit, or argue about?
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  47. Finally, someone with a fair critique. Dore was placing too much faith in neoliberal Democrats.
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  48.  @09BiGDylan  Why couldn't the Democrats block Trump? Why the ineptitude? Why didn't they retake the Senate in 2020? Nevermind 2018! Something wrong with this picture, ya think?
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  49. Only a tiny fraction of cases ever reach the Supreme Court. Its makeup now is terrible, but it does not have to have a huge impact on our lives. Example: overturn Row v. Wade, and most of the states continue with very liberal elective abortion laws, prenatal testing, fertility clinics that destroy embryos, and all the rest. Providers will likely make more money, and poor women will be deprived or have to borrow money to get the care they need. Not so different from NOW. Or didn't you know? Maybe you hadn't noticed.
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  50.  @Horus070  The Supreme Court cannot end abortion. The Supreme Court cannot end marriage equity. No state can criminalize acts that are legally engaged in outside of its jurisdiction.
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  51.  @Horus070  I'm not a sheltered person. I just know how laws work. And I know what run$ thi$ $ociety. Calm down and think. You know it, too.
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  52.  @wvu05  No, actually. Only the individual states, or Congress at the federal level, can make abortion a crime, unless the Court were to give fertilized eggs 5th and 14th Amendment protection as "persons." And even that would not create criminal penalties; only the legislative branch can do any such thing. Anyway, we both know why fertilized eggs will not be granted personhood. Don't we?
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  53.  @joeydrummer7929  Several individual STATES made gay marriage legal and equal. The Supreme Court then held that no state could continue to ban gay marriage. So no, the Supreme Court did not make gay marriage legal, and cannot make it illegal. It made DISCRIMINATION illegal, which is something each state legislature could have done on its own for its own state, and could continue to do, no matter how the Court rules.
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  54.  @joeydrummer7929  OMG, I just realized what your screen name is. Okay. Never mind.
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  55.  @ArchlordZer0  Seder is too narrow and condescending. Refuses to see big picture issues. Too bad, I actually like him. Aaron Mate has been the best of all. He's so brilliant, yet never condescends to anyone. The best people never do.
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  56.  @ArchlordZer0  Shouldn't 2020 have been a landslide for Democrats? It wasn't because of . . . Why, exactly?
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  57.  @ArchlordZer0  Oh brother. Where to start? So . . . A Clinton victory would have lead to better outcomes in the 2018 and 2020 congressional elections? You must be kidding. You can't mean it.
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  58. Bigger picture. Step back for perspective. I mean, if you care. If your stocks are soaring, then Biden/Harris plus Senate gridlock is the formula, for sure. Wall Street loves it.
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  59.  @ArchlordZer0  I urge you to watch the videos I posted. It is obvious you are not familiar with all sides of the argument, which is The New Big Thing -- the Foxification of the country, where everyone only listens to people they agree with. I will grant you, it is very annoying to listen to an opposing argument poorly drawn. That is why I gave you a link to a guy who has lived in the rustbelt AND did his doctorate at Cambridge. And Aaron Mate, who of course urged voting for Biden. Or, don't listen. Suit yourself. But then I really don't care to waste my time. I have a hundred pages to read today, etc., . . . I also have somewhere to go. (I can emigrate.) I know it's rude and brusque to say so, and to put it so baldly, but I am hoping to see signs of people waking up soon. It's late in the day . . . You think it over. Sleep on it and come back. P. S. Also, the Supreme Court doesn't work that way. For example, we have Medicare now. The Court would not oppose expanding it. There is no basis to object to that. Abortion, marriage equity, a higher minimum wage than the national standard will exist in most states. The Court can't do anything about it, even in a worst-case scenario. The erosion of the Fourth Amendment is the most frightening, and that has been going on for 50 years. Even a few extreme right wingers have been afraid of that -- for good reason. The worst part is, society itself has participated in accepting limits to our Fourth Amendment rights. The "reasonableness" standard is changing, and we have been complicit. Big mistake.
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  60.  @ArchlordZer0  However you like. Seder is wrong about the big picture. And you don't understand Supreme Court jurisdiction, obviously. (Why IS the Senate STILL in Republican hands, by the way? Because TRUMP? No, that's why real Democrats could and should have won.) Your country. I don't identify. Those are superb videos. Too bad you want to argue in soundbites. And of course you add a little smear! Facebook/Fox win again. Cha-ching.
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  61.  @ArchlordZer0  His perspective is too narrow. He is too wrapped up in winning small skirmishes rather than looking at the big picture. He condescends to working class voices without considering how they may have a larger point to make, even if they are less knowledgeable about how government is structured. Examples of what I mean -- by "big picture-thinking" -- have been generously provided. HAVE IT YOUR WAY. Predictions are for the stock market. If you have a stock tip for me, do tell.
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  62.  @ArchlordZer0  Bad faith time waster. Seder places far too much emphasis on the Supreme Court to the detriment of what matters, namely ELECTING people to the executive and legislative branches using the appeal that was proven to work. To wit: in EVERY congressional race where a Democrat embraced the progressive agenda the people want, the Democrat won, and wherever the Democrat opposed it, they lost. It is NOT true that the Court can overturn an expanded Medicare. People 65 and over have Medicare now. It is not true that the Court can affect the minimum wage. We have (an inadequate) minimum wage now. This is settled law, not subject to whim. The legislative branch decides these things. ELECTING progressive people changes these things. Electing DNC neoliberals hands over more power to Wall Street -- and FYI, business litigation is MOST of what is on courts' dockets today, Supreme and otherwise. It isn't obvious to you that the DNC just failed spectacularly, that it should have been a landslide against not only the WORST president ever, but a man who is clearly unhinged? I mean, his tweets alone should be enough to sweep his entire party out of office. So. What happened? You still want a SOUNDBITE? I wish it were so easy. (Did Seder convince you it is? I doubt that. Even I think better of him.) You should care about informing yourself. If you don't, I don't. Your joint, soon not mine.
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  63.  @ArchlordZer0  Let me ask you: when the DNC very obviously cheats progressives in the party, must we nevertheless reward them by voting for them, every time? When the DNC moves further to the right in every election cycle, must we nevertheless reward them by voting for them, every time? When the DNC keeps nominating people with war mongering records, and even race-baiting records, we MUST vote for them? Because Supreme Court something something? Well. Then. Game over. Someone who calls for voting this way is right? This? Really? I'd love to hear.
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  64.  @ArchlordZer0  No, that's fine. You're right. They didn't talk about withholding the vote from DNC warmongers and turncoats, and why one might justifiably do that, despite the Court. I told you to have it your way a long time ago. It's your joint. I was calling YOU a bad faith actor here, not Seder -- because you are. Of course the discussion is over for you. You can't answer my points! The minute I ask you something, you hightail it outta here . . . and I explained why Seder's emphasis on the Court is flat-out WRONG. He poses the Court as a reason to vote for EVERY Democrat, EVERY time, regardless of their record and their position on WAR. That is the inescapable, logical conclusion of his argument. How can that be right? It can't.
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  65.  @ArchlordZer0  Where do you see the word "dumb?" I wasn't even thinking it, much less . . . "Bad faith" implies deliberation. And if you can't answer my questions, it's probably because you don't want to. You don't like hard questions. Gathering new information takes time and effort, ad hominem (and accusations of ad hominem) are easy and quick. You really should take the time to watch those videos.
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  66.  @ArchlordZer0  FYI: the only thing that would make me feel better would be to know I can get out of the US by 2025. Seriously, hon.
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  67.  @SuperTyler53  You're right. I shouldn't participate. I really, REALLY shouldn't. The loneliness of COVID has gotten to me. Big time.
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  68. Medicare exists now. Will this Court strike it down? Abortion will remain legal in most states, as will marriage equality. We have a minimum wage now. The Supreme Court has no basis for overturning it. ANY state can make its STATE university system free, or nearly so. Previous generations could earn a year's tuition, fees, books and supplies with a SUMMER JOB. What happened?
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  69. Among other things, Dore expected the Democrats to work to take back the Senate in 2018, not to expend their political capital on Russiagate, about which Dore was right. Dore expected too much from the DNC. They spent the four Trump years increasing their net worth, as would any rational lackey of oligarchs. In 2020, it looks like they still won't have the Senate. "Gee. How did that happen?" Ha.
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  70.  @IncognitoSprax  SURE THEY DID: Fight to take back both chambers of the Congess in 2018, not waste time on Russiagate, and other Clinton projects.
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  71.  @antoniosoares9273  He was wrong to expect the DNC to take back the Senate in 2018. They STILL haven't. That should tell all the political geniuses something.
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  72.  @GrahamBarth  Why didn't the Democrats prevent the last nomination? Whose job was that? Did they even try?
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  73.  @MrBungle4u  You must not listen to Dore with any regularity, then. Sam Seder has taken it upon himself to take down Jimmy Dore for some reason. I don't get it.
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  74.  @jon9428  Well, if all of that is true, why are you so upset? It should be obvious to everyone.
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  75.  @MrBungle4u  Okay. And Chris Hedges is crazy to go on his show, as is Max Blumenthal, recently Ro Khanna, etc.
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  76.  @wvu05  And had the House refused to approve increases to the debt ceiling, etc., or any other legislation that was essential for them to pass, as long as the Senate Republicans pressed ahead with any nomination after early voting had already begun, then what would have happened? Remember Nancy and the arrows in her quiver? (Remember how the Republicans played Obama?) But as it turns out, the only thing Nancy stopped was stimulus. Let's see what happens now, after 8 million more people slipped below the poverty line since July 2020. Bernie is pushing for $2000, as promised in the Georgia runoffs.
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  77.  @DavidSexton77  We can realistically hope.
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  78.  @ellenstonehill678  "that type of real work" -- can you parse that phrase?
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  79.  @drewfleming5584  Is marijuana legal in your state? Somehow that popped into my mind.
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  80.  @drewfleming5584  Keep it up so I know who to block.
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  81.  @drewfleming5584  You think you're different from Trump. That would be funny if it weren't grim.
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  82.  @jesspavlichenko5745  But they can't be out of touch with the working class!
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  83.  @jesspavlichenko5745  Sam has bad ideas. And Trump did better in 2020 than ANYONE thought he possibly could. Mea culpa. I thought he didn't have a chance. I suggest you read a dispassionate analysis of 2020, it is sobering. Not that it's likely, but you ought to.
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  84.  @jesspavlichenko5745  JD doesn't mention Sam much. LOL
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  85.  @jesspavlichenko5745  I wonder why someone turns up on this thread again every few months.
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  86.  @jesspavlichenko5745  Sorry, but this is boring. Have it your way. We have not had a single qualified ticket for president and vice president in this century. Listen to the people who soothe you, and refuse to confront reality. See how that works out.
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  87.  @masterchief9291  You mean because of ROE? It's not evident who is to blame? Jimmy Dore, huh? Or Susan Sarandon.
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  88.  @NJ-wb1cz  I'm sorry, I actually don't know what you're referring to right now. But this was an interesting thread to review. I, for one, am sorry Sam Seder doesn't do better. I know he's smart, and I think he's cute as well. With someone like him, I wonder what happened. What a disappointment.
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