Comments by "L.W. Paradis" (@l.w.paradis2108) on "Benjamin Dixon Tears Apart Jimmy Dore's Embarrassing AOC Rant" video.

  1. You are discrediting yourselves by attacking the fact that at age 55, and after a bankruptcy for medical bills, and living in a small bungalow for 23 years, Dore got a nice house, though not extravagant by Los Angeles standards. When did you live in bungalow during decades of your adult life, with a spouse who had to go bankrupt, too, to keep you alive? I can't believe you keep this up. I'm shocked.
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  2. "Gotta get a pool." I hope you're already ashamed. Sam is the son of a prominent lawyer, not the youngest of twelve kids from the South Side of Chicago.
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  3. I wouldn't say he "called her out." He called on her to lead, and not to be afraid, because it is the right thing to do.
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  4. Katie Halper is having real discussions on this subject, with clearly differing views, for people who might want to consider the arguments. They are not focusing on Dore.
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  5. Did someone say "childish fixation?"
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  6. Real reason for Jimmy being hate bombed: nothing to do with AOC, etc. Jimmy pointed out the CARES Act was the BIGGEST UPWARD TRANSFER OF WEALTH in human history. It's always about "follow the money."
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  7. Even Alexander Cockburn, son of the "notorious" communist, was glad to join forces with The American Conservative on a few narrow but crucial issues, like ending WAR.
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  8. This is the same as the other video. And the one before.
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  9. Diversion from the issue, and all focus on Dore. Why would that be? The people who go bankrupt because of medical bills don't matter? Congress does not have a duty to put an end to this insanity? During a pandemic?
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  10.  Richard Garcia  Um, you think a Harvard Law School graduate has that "problem?" Or do you have a problem with exceptionally brilliant, beautiful women? Why does your emotional pitch make me think it's the latter?
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  11.  @discogodfather22  Now, now.
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  12.  @AllMustJump  Are you saying (1) you are certain M4A won't pass the Senate; and (2) no Senator who votes against it will have to answer to his or her constituents for their vote? Then either there is no pandemic, or there is no democracy.
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  13.  @thehumanity0  What was the impeachment vote? Was that "performative?" (I WISH they had done a better job on impeachment. Look who was president during the pandemic!) Note that the Senate did not even hear witnesses or sub poena documents. How "performative" was that?? Nice that you learned a new buzz word. What's the definition?
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  14.  @DD-ws6cu  There are videos in depth on why this is a good strategy, too.
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  15. Real reason for Jimmy being hate bombed: nothing to do with AOC, etc. Jimmy pointed out the CARES Act was the BIGGEST UPWARD TRANSFER OF WEALTH in human history. It's always about "follow the money."
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  16. He just talked about how he was forced to declare bankruptcy due to health costs. On this program, they act like the are oblivious to all that has happened over the past few days.
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  17. A man who was a bricklayer for ten years, and had a medical bankruptcy despite having health insurance, is a "phony" because he got his first nice house at age 55?
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  18. There are a number of reasons to try this strategy to gain M4A. First, a loss, now, is NOT predictable. What usually happens may not happen this time, because we are not living in normal times. Second, politicians having to go on the record against M4A during a pandemic, in a country shedding jobs like crazy, where health insurance is tied to a job, is a tough calculation for them now. That's what they need to do -- represent us. And if they don't represent us, no more lurking in the shadows. We want the truth in full view. Third, no one ever got anywhere by playing nice -- well, except for career advancement. But real progress? Never. Other than that, Krystal Ball and Briahna Joy Gray gave more technical reasons why to demand a vote now, and Cornel West is for it on principle. Krystal is an accountant and knows about forensic accounting in addition to journalism, BJG is Harvard Law and Bernie's former press secretary, and Dr. West is plain brilliant. So they are worth the time to read or watch.
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  19. People who were reluctant to vote for Biden were subjected to every imaginable smear. Now people who want M4A in return for keeping Pelosi as Speaker are getting worse treatment. You can't keep doing this and expecting it to work. You'll overplay your hand, you know.
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  20.  @IcarusLime  I think it's deliberate at this point. A red herring. Divert attention from the issue, act as if COVID has changed nothing.
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  21.  @humanbeing2420  They aren't at all. This smear was more repugnant than Jimmy's worst rant. Your innuendo is, too. But this what Americans are now. Not this side or that side. You're all sniffing around to see what someone else has, and your hate for others is never far from the surface -- especially when a real working class kid makes it. Infuriating, isn't it?
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  22. Mitch McConnell wanted a vote for M4A so that it could be defeated by Republicans . . . during a pandemic? Sounds like a plan for getting rid of some Republican Senators.
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  23.  @thehumanity0  Three things. Slowly this time. 1. You may have heard there is a pandemic. It is real. More contagious varieties of coronavirus are turning up. Health insurance is tied to employment and employment is collapsing. The US has proven itself unable to deal with these things already. 2. What was stated in (1) makes it harder to vote against M4A now. It is politically fraught. You cannot go by what would have happened last year. In 2019, it wouldn't have passed. In 2021, it very well could pass. Not that it certainly will, but that it could. That makes it worth fighting for now. 3. Voting no could have serious consequences. It could cause a lot of politicians to be voted out. It could become THE political issue of the 2022 election. This could be true whether or not M4A passes, and especially if it doesn't pass. So, apart from being the right to do, supporting M4A is also a political risk worth taking. It may not turn out to be much of a risk at all.
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  24.  @thehumanity0  Okay, no pandemic, no recession . . . "Unicorns and fairy dust." Got it. My plan, personally, is to leave the US again. So, this matters much less to me than you think. Vastly less. You're the one who will need to be doing some serious thinking, if the option of leaving is closed to you. It's not a Big Deal to pressure a politician like Nancy Pelosi to serve the people in a crisis. She just gave a chairmanship to Kathleen Rice, who not only withheld her vote for Speaker last time, but started out in politics as a REPUBLICAN. This is Realpolitik. I'm not a big AOC fan, but this gets under my skin. (*This* was divisive. Pelosi, however, is apparently not worried about being divisive.) Also, don't swear at me. Or on second thought, do. It has the opposite effect you intended, for anyone with a brain.
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  25.  @MichaelAronson  That's right. Our job is to give money. Not save it, for the coming recession. Or health care.
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  26. Maybe listen to his interview with Glenn Greenwald, where the real issue of censorship is discussed? Is EVERYTHING about personalities now?
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  27. This was as low as it goes. Reminds me of the neolibs who try to out-Trump Trump.
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  28.  @pragersmasher5788  Too many negatives to be coherent.
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  29.  Richard Garcia  I think she has no problem in those areas, i.e., money or men. Odd where your mind went. I don't get it.
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  30.  @pragersmasher5788  Not at all. She was personally attacked, with innuendo, and straight-up assertions, that she is not all that bright by some, and that she needs money by others. I think you have to agree that a Harvard trained attorney is very unlikely to be lacking in intelligence, or in the ability to generate revenue. (In any case, Briahna's brilliance is obvious, to anyone who reads books and stuff.) But have it your way. Show everyone that the fans of this video are bad faith actors in their posts. Why do you think everyone is stupid? Does that describe the fan base here? I don't know. You tell me.
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  31.  @Holipsism  Well, I kinda like Sam. And this was so bad. Okay. I'm being dumb.
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  32. I think I figured them out: Money is central to their lives, they really crave money, and they are willing to compromise a lot of their principles for money. They know how bad they are. So, when they see a working class kid like Dore, they think he has got to be worse. People do the same sort of thing to people of color and disfavored ethnicities, too. I know all about that.
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  33.  @shadracarthur  Is there some reason you mangle people's names?
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  34. This video is so massively inferior to the presentation Dore just did with Cornel West, and the discussion with several people expressing skeptical and opposing views to Dore's position that Katie Halper just presented, that it is hard to believe they are treating the same subject. I don't get why they did this. I hope they go back to being a good station.
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  35.  @hausner8584  So . . . There is no pandemic, and no recession? Oh. There is? A pandemic, and a recession? Then maybe the chance isn't "ZERO."
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  36. Another set of commentators acting as though there is no pandemic, the US is not on the precipice of a depression, millions of unemployed do not face long-term loss of health insurance . . . Because 2020 is just like any other year. The rest of the world does not have universal health. The US does not have the most deaths of any country. /s The things that usually happen are sure to happen again. The pandemic will have no effect. Neither will mass unemployment. This discussion has been going on since 1985 that I know of, with American doctors adamant that health care must change. Lord.
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  37.  @MichaelAronson  Wow. Did you follow me all around to keep score? This video is more repugnant than Jimmy's worst rant.
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  38.  @MichaelAronson  OMG, and you are all over each thread! Projecting, like a true blue American. Or like these clowns, saying Dore must be in it for the money because they know how much they LOVE love money.
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  39.  @MichaelAronson  I thought better of Sam Seder.
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  40.  @emilysmall2777  You know, when you talk like that, then I start to understand the people I found the most perplexing and infuriating during this whole period: namely, the ones who think COVID isn't real. You talk like there is no pandemic. No recession, no permanent business closures, no evictions, no food insecurity . . . If voting against health care is not politically fraught, well then I guess there must not be a real pandemic . . . Maybe it is a hoax.
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  41.  @sbz88  And the problem they have is with Jimmy's new house.
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  42.  @imsleeps3648  Briahna is a brilliant woman with great poise. She also has a law degree from Harvard, unlike anyone else in this picture.
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  43.  @cortexavery1324  No
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  44. Some of it is. You need more than the excerpt they present here to judge. Some (not all, and not a lot) of his anger has been both justified and productive, which is frankly the only reason why people like Katie and Briahna forgive him and overlook it. I can bet they speak to him about it privately. And I don't think CORNEL WEST would show up without a little constructive criticism first. Dore and his wife really did lose everything in a medical bankruptcy. They really did live in a little bungalow for 23 years. Dore is the youngest of 12 children. Sam and his crew never had friends like that. I have.
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  45.  @alexhiggins5911  No. Nancy Pelosi and other DNC critters and their megadonors are blocking this. Real reason for Jimmy being hate bombed: nothing to do with AOC, etc. Jimmy pointed out the CARES Act was the BIGGEST UPWARD TRANSFER OF WEALTH in human history. It's always about "follow the money."
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  46.  Richard Garcia  I totally disagree about Gray, but I'm not naive about what you mean. Dore does not have power, and women like Gray and Halper and Susan Sarandon are in it based on the principle of the matter. But to take the most extreme example of what you mean, Harvey Weinstein, who was powerful, had so many of the women he oppressed (and worse) not only afraid to speak out (having seen what happened to those who dared to speak out), but also praising him to the skies. These types of dynamics are tragic. They lead to women resenting all men and being mistrustful of all men, which is crazy unfair. Well, you are overgeneralizing, too. Dore is so obviously working class that he turns most bourgeois people off. How can you miss that? That's what's happening with Dore! He has no real power. People support him in spite of his rants, because he is often right.
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  47. The House impeached Trump knowing nothing would come of it, and that there would not even be witnesses testifying under oath in the Senate (which would have been useful to the public), because? Whereas during a pandemic and new shutdowns, there is no point in pushing for the healthcare the rest of the world has? Either Republicans vote for M4A, or their vote against M4A will haunt them. Let them vote no this time. That's not a loss, that's a bump in the road. If COVID progresses the way it is progressing in the UK now, with the new strain, the people pushing hard for Medicare without age discrimination will look like the visionaries.
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  48.  @knightsonofjack  Rice, who got the committee chair, did threaten withhold her vote the last time. Rice also started out as a Republican. I won't pretend to be an AOC fan, but this is dirty. Hard to believe Pelosi would stoop this low. If it were clearly a merit pick, fine, but it isn't.
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  49.  @serpico1616  It was repugnant and weird.
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  50.  @humushumus2219  Force Biden to do it.
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  51.  @sebastianholzl4668  Then tell me something useful: is the chance zero that stocks will crash in 2021? LOL Because these are normal times. No one would about worry going on the record in a roll call vote against health care now!
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  52.  @thehumanity0  I don't care what you do, either. I have health insurance. So, "I've got mine." That's "the American way." Keep it. I wonder why you think fighting is either/or. How has that been working out? You yourself said not so great. And if Medicare for SOME is constitutional, you will have to explain why Medicare for ALL would fail a court challenge. I also wonder what all the small businesses that are having to close permanently will do. Having to provide medical benefits to employees once they grow, not to mention the challenges of paying for health insurance for the people who start them, has prevented a lot of people from going into business. It's only going to get worse. You all have a sad country. I hope the DC power structure can be prevented from going on new bombing sprees. Since you're so knowledgeable about US politics, what do you think the chances are of that? I'm not too hopeful. I expect more war.
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  53.  @thehumanity0  As I've said countless times, the chance of passing M4A is slim but not zero, and a "no" vote will haunt many of those who vote no. Not that some of them won't succeed in the usual spin ("I voted against socialism!!"). Some will succeed, sure. But people are waking up. You seem to be terribly sanguine about the 2021 economy. I'm not.
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  54.  @JustMe-hk7xn  Everyone knows how MEDICARE works.
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  55.  @thehumanity0  All right. At this point, you will need to concede that the people who have doubts about there really being a pandemic, which has made our economy phenomenally fragile and caused millions to lose health insurance they were depending on, are not stone-cold crazy or evil. Because you aren't talking as though you've taken the reality of the pandemic into account at all. You haven't from the start. Of course you didn't mention it here. You think talking about politicians and infighting is more important. I thought the pandemic deniers were crazy or evil. That was back in May. Now I simply disagree, but understand, to some extent, why they think the way they do.
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  56.  @thehumanity0  Let's get specific. Why should someone who has never been outside the country, who has never had a passport, who never listens to the BBC, much less news in another language, who of course is monolingual, who has never been to college, and who hasn't gone to a library since high school, believe there is a pandemic? Do you see lots of evidence all around that the politicians YOU want to protect from "infighting" are taking it seriously, and appreciate the urgency? Who and what do you think needs to be protected now? Nancy Pelosi, with her infamous trip to Chinatown and the hairdresser, and who thought eating luxury ice cream and chocolate was a strategy to keep one's chin up during shutdowns? Really? Then she needs to pay you.
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  57.  @thehumanity0  P. S. If the "performative" meme had not been supplied to you, how would you express the idea behind it? What words would you use? Wouldn't you have to explain why a no vote on M4A during a pandemic would not dog a politician? Wouldn't you also have to argue that by voting no at such a time, that politician would have to go to work on proposing and passing an alternative? Doesn't "no" on M4A make a "no" on a robust public option that much more difficult to pull off, for a lot of politicians protecting the FIRE sector?
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  58.  @thehumanity0  Don't swear at me. It's not my fault that you can't follow a carefully laid out argument. Actually, you did follow. Swearing is what you do when you know you've been exposed. The fact of the matter is, while there may be plenty of reasons to be tolerant of Sanders, there are no such reasons to refrain from challenging Pelosi. I'm not going to repeat my argument to someone who swears. You're tedious. Justin Jackson said it well. So did Katie Halper, Max Blumenthal, Briahna, Dr. West. Where are the progressives in the Biden cabinet? Who did Pelosi appoint to a committee chair instead of AOC? A woman who DID withhold her vote in 2018, and who started out her political career as a Republican. That was low, BTW. You DON'T talk as if there is a pandemic and a looming recession, or worse. You failed to acknowledge it as a factor in making M4A urgent, and voting against M4A risky. So I can no longer despise the people who really wonder whether the pandemic is a "hoax." They are simple people, and don't understand how the jaded operate. All they know is that their jobs are disappearing. But I'm supposed to care about the political class because . . . Help me with this, LOL.
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  59.  @thehumanity0  Jimmy isn't talking to them personally, which makes a difference, even in law much less ethics (i.e., whether something is a true threat, whether it might amount to intentional infliction of emotional distress, etc.). You're completely dishonest, and you failed to answer a single argument. "Hope God will bless you and yours next year," LOL. Let's be sure to end on a passive aggressive pseudo-superior note, too. Figures. Your complete repertoire on display!
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  60.  @mf5779  No she didn't. She called it a litmus test stance, essentially. That's a derisive description. That is not an explanation, nor is it an argument.
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  61. Right. Because health care is hardly important during a pandemic. Yes, raise minimum wage, while the economy sheds jobs and millions lose health care when their job disappears. /s
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  62.  @shadracarthur  Why? For growing up in a house without a bookshelf, something that bothers him to this day?
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  63.  @MichaelAronson  Expecting to see progress. My mistake.
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  64. When you out it that way, I am glad they bombed.
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  65. You could swear the pandemic isn't real. That's how the elites act, anyway. Like it was a stock buying opportunity or something.
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  66.  @sirius1696  Were they waiting during those ten years? Being very, very careful not to ask for too much, and above all not to "offend?"
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  67.  @imsleeps3648  He didn't "disavow" her. He disagreed with her stance not to commit to voting for Biden, which was correct. Why commit? Especially in a blue state.
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  68.  @cortexavery1324  Ben was beyond repugnant. If he thinks Dore is so bad, he certainly tries hard to outdo him. The real issue is that people can tell if you rant because you care, about people and about the issues that matter to them, however astute or misguided you might be in how you pursue that aim -- or if you rant purely for your own gratification, and your own ego, because you are seething, and you crave seeing another person bite the dust. The people on this show DO NOT CARE about universal, comprehensive health care for everyone. They have a ten-year plan. Maybe. Sort-of. They showed that. And then they focused all their ire on Jimmy Dore! (God, you'd swear there was no pandemic.) Sorry, that's ridiculous.
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  69.  @blaclabel4762  THIS
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  70. Don't call people "cancer." There are people out there who've suffered from cancer. Ever heard of breast cancer, you sexist?
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  71.  @Top_Weeb  How do you know? And Seder's father was a prominent lawyer.
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  72.  @humanbeing2420  But Cornel West supports this endeavor.
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  73. Who cares about Dore? This is about M4A during a pandemic and coming depression.
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  74. Dr. West was just on. Did your uncle like him? I love Dr. West.
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  75. Cross your fingers and fold your arms. Be nice.
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  76.  @pragersmasher5788  If I wrote in proper English? Is that what you mean?
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  77.  @pragersmasher5788  When did I attack him personally, as distinct from his ideas? Or the ideas he claims to have. I'd love to see Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, etc., etc., etc., in positions to influence US policy, especially foreign policy in this hemisphere. Jimmy is the working class person in this picture, as is his wife. And you know exactly zero about me.
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  78.  @pragersmasher5788  Isn't Biden president now? When do we get to start asking him for things? When do we "push left?" Still not a good time? And Nancy? We better be nice to Nancy? I don't get the rest of your innuendo, insider slang, etc. Tedious.
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  79.  @pragersmasher5788  I think this pandemic could be worse than we think, and I think that events on that scale are life changing for hundreds of millions. You're the sheltered one if you don't perceive that possibility. But I have no interest in substantive discussions with people who malign others, rather than oppose their positions and arguments. The only thing I'm wondering about was why your previous post suggested someone here is anti-Semitic. What made you think of that? Why would your mind go there? Couldn't have anything to do with me. One of my distant ancestors perished in the Holocaust (though I'm not Jewish -- but she was identified as such). My mother did consider converting, briefly, because of her war experience. So . . . it couldn't have anything to do with me. Or could it? Or is it simply that it worked against Corbyn? KISS principle? LOL Keep telling us who you are. Please.
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  80.  @pragersmasher5788  Taking a larger view, I guess that's not so bad. Either we end the age discrimination in Medicare, like every civilized society, or US global prestige and hegemony take another hit. What's not to like? /s
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  81.  @pragersmasher5788  That wasn't "the first thing I said," and screaming it doesn't truthify it. Who was I responding to? (Was that post removed?) Why do you think I said that? I explained precisely why. And how does Jewish figure in? I still don't see why it crossed your mind. What would it matter? EDIT: Richard Garcia. Still there. And you responded to it, too, as if it were normal to make a personal, and racial, attack. You're as truth-free as Trump. I guess he set the standard for you.
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  82.  @pragersmasher5788  I'm not a product of any private schools, here or abroad, and most people didn't consider my father white. Keep telling the world who you are. I just noticed "fabricated anecdote!" Wow. T'es une ordure, une vraie. On rigole. Personne ne l'aurait cru, si tu ne l'avais pas ecrit. Aux EEUU, l'impossible est vrai. No one else on the planet acts like you do, that I can tell you. It's not an acquired taste, shall we say. Also, any idiot could see you act as a provocateur to get competent commentators to overreact and be banned.
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  83.  @pragersmasher5788  Also, any idiot could see you are acting as a provocateur to get the competent commentators to overreact, and be banned. This is the latest thing around these comment boards.
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  84.  @pragersmasher5788  I made no such accusation. You're just a liar. But it is STILL unclear why you brought up someone's Jewishness. It wasn't part of the discussion. So there is some reason you brought it up. I still don't know what that might be. Total non sequitur. But close to the surface of your thoughts. And I am not going to repeat what the post I responded to said, to point out that BJG does not have the "issues" that post maligned her with, because that post was racist. I don't amplify such discourse.
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  85.  @pragersmasher5788  You don't think women lawyers from Harvard are generally smart, and don't need a man to make money for them, because they can do just fine? Really?
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  86.  @pragersmasher5788  Any more cliches for us? Those are so 2014.
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  87.  @pragersmasher5788  Great-grandmother. Distant. Oh, now I get it. No, my mother was profoundly gifted, as was her father. I wasn't claiming that. Didn't reach me. You need to temper your envy, bro.
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  88.  @pragersmasher5788  Now you bring up drugs. I've never seen a sleeping pill.
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  89.  Richard Garcia  You know what? At least I can appreciate that you are sincere. You had an actual event in life, something real, and maybe more than one, that made you feel as you do. I can respect that. But don't imagine that it's everyone and everywhere, or that certain "signs" are universal indicators of that kind of mind in a woman. It just isn't true.Thanks for participating again. Most people don't have a good love life these days. I do not know what happened. I know social media and the electronic landscape in general are not helping. I'm reading a book on PTSD by Francine Shapiro and I expected it to deal with combat veterans, or major accidents and health challenges, or serious crimes -- that sort of thing. Well, so far it talks about romance a lot, and how trauma can derail it. More interesting, actually. Also, and she's no wimp, she says that many so-called "ordinary" traumatic events in life can give rise to PTSD, and that such issues are simple and can be treated in a couple of sessions. She herself had cancer a long time ago, while in graduate school, apparently cured. I don't know if anything else traumatic happened to her. They told her at the time that her prognosis was "we don't know" and "good luck." (!!) I have to laugh, gallows humor. EDIT: Just found out she died last year at 71, and that during her childhood her sister died.
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  90.  @pragersmasher5788  I edit for spelling and stylistics. Do you know what that is? When you lie, do you ever try to count how many? Might be amusing.
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  91.  @pragersmasher5788  It's already over, silly.
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  92.  @thehumanity0  This was the worst, most vicious ad hominem I've yet to hear. Jimmy needs "a swimming pool?" Well, he was a bricklayer for ten years, then did tuck pointing, and his wife was an English teacher for twenty years. And then they had a medical bankruptcy because their insurance would not pay to treat his rare bone disorder. Katie Halper is right, the viciousness is all about Jimmy's social class. The people who support this venom are afraid not to look rich and successful. They are too insecure to embrace a working class dude's idea, it's not a brand they want to be seen with. That's the game. (You'll notice it doesn't bother the smartest people.)
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  93. Prove it.
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  94.  @DanShowandTell  This video was disgraceful. A sequel to "Dore was corrupted by Assad." This is how far the petulant will go.
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  95.  @DanShowandTell  You don't know anything. You don't know right from wrong or truth from lies, for starters. Say. You must be American.
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  96.  @DanShowandTell  Quick. Report it. Do your duty. What was your first question? It wasn't rhetorical? What was the first comment, which initiated the thread? Lamenting the dissension, especially the form and tenor it took here. I support the initial comment. These are not just "differing opinions." Katie Halper presented differing opinions tonight on her show. They discussed issues, and only issues, not repugnant personal destruction. But you know, why should anyone care? I feel for the impoverished here, but that's all. That curmudgeon Morris Berman got it mostly right, sadly. I keep expecting to be convinced otherwise. Fat chance.
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  97.  @DanShowandTell  Well, it's your duty to report. Maybe copy the FBI on it.
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  98.  @DanShowandTell  If someone said, "no, I do not expect all politicians to hold hands and sing kumbaya," in response, that would be a bot.
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  99.  @DanShowandTell  See how I'm trying to fool you? Better make that FBI report.
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  100.  @DanShowandTell  Don't you know how to find the FBI? Wait. Are YOU the bot?? Gasp! I'm outta here!
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  101.  @jamesredbow6346  I love Dr. Cornel West. Gentle chiding for saying "twat." I mean come on. It's the 21st century . . . ??
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  102. Oooo, "gifter!" It's the OED Word of the Year!
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  103.  @humanbeing2420  And I said they weren't "spot on." Well, I didn't repeat the cliche, but . . .
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  104.  @humanbeing2420  But first you laid on the innuendo real thick. Wow. What goes around comes around, Bud.
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  105.  @humanbeing2420  Look up innuendo. Then reread your first sentence. That is worse than saying your schtick straight up, and out loud. And they are NOT "spot on" that Dore "harms" the progressive cause, as is obvious by the interest and support he has gained for this idea already, and from some of the best people. Looks like there is concern he might have disrupted a few career paths, however.
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  106.  @humanbeing2420  Look how everybody is talking about -- him!! Sad to say, that is not a sign that he is ineffectual. Sad, because it would be true even if this proposal were a horrible idea. Luckily, though, it's a very good one.
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  107.  @humanbeing2420  Innuendo? Did I hint? Insinuate? No. Said it straight up. Did I allude to vague, ambiguous, insider sources of information, like you suggested Sam would have access to? No. I looked at this video and your remarks. The texts we all can review. Nope. Not the same.
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  108.  @Atmost11  I didn't reference that clip. Dr. West did not appear in it, correct? Nor was there a discussion that included a doctor and a prominent health journalist (who have reservations about this idea, and don't make it about All Dore, All the Time), as Katie Halper presented. If Seder et al are opposed to Dore's style of commentary, they should not break the meter to imitate him and outdo him.
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  109.  @Atmost11  Do you know how to find stuff on YouTube? Real easy, use the magnifying glass icon. Do you know how people make clips of videos to show you what they want you to see? That's kinda how they make their arguments. Then if you want to know stuff, you have to look for what the other side has been saying as well. I'm sure you've heard about it.
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  110.  @Atmost11  What I saw from this panel was worse than embarrassing. At this point I'm frightened for free speech. Is there anything they won't say to destroy someone they don't agree with? I saw no limit, and I saw punching down. I don't see the same from Dore.
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  111.  @Atmost11  She never spoke to him or acknowledged Dore after being elected, on this or any subject. (She just went on his show before becoming popular.)
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  112.  @Atmost11  Complete nonsense. There is no path to Speakership for anyone worse and to the right of Pelosi. This argument counts on everyone's being totally ignorant. There was a point to voting against Trump no matter who was running against him. There is NO point to voting for Pelosi's right-wing agenda. Pelosi already passed over AOC for a committee chair, AND appointed a woman who withheld her vote from Pelosi the last time! Excellent, just what weak "progressives" deserve. Learn to fight for what's right. Show some spirit!
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  113.  @Atmost11  Skip the main points why don't you? 1. A Republican cannot be elected Speaker without Dem votes; and 2. Someone who withheld her vote from Pelosi, which AOC will not do, just got something AOC wanted. Precious, isn't it? I'm not against it. Where did I say I was? At this point, you are wasting my time.
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  114.  @Atmost11  Okay, we suck. Thanks.
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  115.  @Atmost11  Is there some reason why it's you who is apoplectic with fury? It didn't cross my mind to swear at you, as tedious and incapable of dealing with actual reasoned arguments as you are. I assumed you just don't have much experience in this area, not that "you sk." Oh well, good to know.
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  116.  @Atmost11  Katie's program invited a majority of guests who have expertise and were reluctant to embrace ForceTheVote, and they offered REASONS why. It isn't about personalities. Except for you and this channel.
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  117.  @Atmost11  No. I keep thinking this is about M4A.
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  118.  @Atmost11  Yeah, I saw character assassination. I saw Seder et al. say that a man who was a bricklayer for ten years and had a medical bankruptcy despite having health insurance is a "phony" because he got his first nice house at age 55. That's what I saw. If you didn't see that, I wonder why you think strong language FOR A REAL CAUSE is so bad.
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  119.  @Atmost11  Thank you for reminding us of what liberals are really like. They are never, ever allies of the working people, and instead despise them, and know they are easy marks for character assassination. Liberals/neoliberals open the door to fascism every time. This country already has those tendencies because of its slave society past and its deeply-rooted racism. Can you leave? I sure can. Those who keep lying will have to live in the stew of lies they cooked up. I pity them.
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  120.  @Atmost11  You can see Seder said that by watching the video! Oh gawd what a laugh. What has America come to?
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  121.  @Atmost11  Where have I said anything about her specifically? I don't care about her and knew she was not genuine in her pronouncements from Day 1. I had no expectations. She's a politician. That's not personal. It is a status. And her status has no bearing on the argument. Anyone else could be in the same office, and we would see the same conduct. Either you push a politician, or you pay a politician, or you do not exist for that politician. Fill in any name for "politician." Sorry to see you take things to heart in ways that blind you. Sorry there are 318,000 dead from COVID, and sorry there will be even more bankrupt because of it.
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  122.  @Atmost11  Actually, I pity you. I see you hold yourself out to be religious or something. Good to know.
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  123.  @Atmost11  Not what your profile says, LOL.
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  124.  @MichaelAronson  Is there some reason you don't want people to watch The Majority Report?
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  125.  @MichaelAronson  I expected something better than this. This was shameful. They are outright lying now, and for what?
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  126.  @superdupeninja8149  All the more reason for her, and everyone, to obediently get behind Pelosi. /s
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  127.  @MichaelAronson  What? Hello?
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  128.  @MichaelAronson  This will be presented to BIDEN. Not Trump. Do you truly not know?
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  129. You think the progressive caucus can compare with Dr. King? Whoa. Must say that never crossed my mind.
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  130.  @2906justblaze  Did Bernie sell out? I don't mean 65 years ago. I mean now. I felt sold out. Biden was literally the worst possible candidate to run. The man's record is abysmal. He is only less bad than Trump, a race to the bottom if there ever was one.
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  131.  @2906justblaze  He also has Glenn Greenwald, Max Blumenthal, and Cornel West on. "Disrupts your narrative?"
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  132.  @2906justblaze  Oh stop with the fantasy. He'd call Malcolm X a sellout and embrace Charles Manson. "I bet he would." So, the son of a prominent East Coast lawyer (i.e., Sam) begrudges a 55 year old man whose entire family had to declare bankruptcy due to medical bills (i.e., Jimmy) a new house, after 23 years in a tiny bungalow. Pfft. The only person you won't accuse Dore of befriending is Jeffrey Epstein, because the Clintons already did! This is how far America has fallen. Oh well. If the rest of the world can only keep you from further bombing sprees . . . That would be nice. Dore is against that, consistently and categorically. That alone gives him some props. Lesser of two evils thinking must include that, too.
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  133.  @Top_Weeb  Seriously, it's balanced. The last show had three with strong doubts about this, or were against it, and only two (counting Katie) who support it.
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  134.  @Top_Weeb  That's not the one. Katie's latest does not have Dore, and does have a doctor and a journalist specialized in health reporting. It's a calm discussion, LOL.
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  135.  @DarkKnightTrinity  Suggest a strategy. You see a path to that? You sure it means voting for Pelosi? Maybe the spectre of Pelosi is what is scaring Georgia voters into keeping the Senate Republican. What is clear is that it is not either/or -- is it?
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  136.  @krinklyfig  Oh please. Pfft.
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  137.  @MichaelAronson  Krystal Ball, Katie Halper, and Briahna Joy Gray are grown women. Are you a sexist?
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  138. Either you push a politician, or you pay a politician, or you do not exist for that politician.
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  139. Benjamin does? That's illegal. Hence your post is a smear.
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  140.  @shadracarthur  Who cares about personalities? Oh yeah, Sam cares.
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  141.  @moety2  Of course we thought about it. Let's see how many Republican Senators have no fear whatsoever of voting down M4A during a pandemic, and having that vote dog them for years -- as Briahna Joy Gray ably explained. That should be fascinating. Looks like you're the one who did not think this through. This is exactly how much "controversial" legislation has gotten passed many times in history. "Controversial" to the political class and the donor class -- but controversial to the people? Not so much. END AGE DISCRIMINATION IN MEDICARE. It's a no-brainer.
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  142.  @moety2  Say. Do you have a stock tip? Including puts, calls, shorts.
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  143.  @moety2  So . . . The DNC impeached Trump knowing nothing would come of it, AND that there would not even be a full array of witnesses testifying under oath in the Senate (which would have been useful to the American public), because . . . ? Whereas during a pandemic and new shutdowns, there is no point in pushing for the healthcare that the rest of the world has . . . ? Anyway, you didn't respond to my comment. Either Republicans vote for M4A, or contemplate having their vote against M4A haunt them in the states where they are vulnerable. Let them vote no this time. That's not a loss, that's a bump in the road.
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  144.  @philesq9595  "Dore's fans are not ideological, educated, or interested in politics. They are hurting . . . and hurt people hurt people." Well, thanks for providing actual progressives with an opportunity to practice on you! (Also, that little story about how "once you were a fan of sorts, but then you realized" is a well-known trope, used extensively in infomercials.) The problem with your story is that some of the very best educated and most astute political actors are in favor of ForceTheVote, in many cases, quite frankly, in spite of Dore's communicative style. The list is amazing: Cornel West, Briahna Joy Gray, Katie Halper, Krystal Ball, Kyle Kulinski, Dylan Ratigan, Ben Norton, Max Blumenthal, and, perhaps one of the finest human beings in all of journalism, Aaron Mate. I've course I've missed many. I know I have. But do you realize the intellectual firepower I've just listed? There is no plausible way to make them out to be pathetic. There isn't all that much plausibility in your innuendo about Jimmy Dore, either, considering who he married. He won life's real prize, the big one. The one that matters. :) My, my. How could you not see that? But Sam Seder thinks he lacks a swimming pool.
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  145.  @moety2  All of this looks implausible now, just like hashtag MeToo looked impossible, until it was real. As of today, UK has nearly double the number of new COVID cases relative to how many it had 14 days ago. There is a new, more contagious strain circulating there. The hope is that it is less lethal (very well could be), the expectation is that the vaccine will still work on it (pretty likely) -- but what if not? You think by next Christmas, we still won't have Medicare minus the AGE discrimination? I sure do. The people PUSHING for it now will soon look like visionaries. FDR used to say, "you have to make me do it." You bet.
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  146.  @philesq9595  Why is your first line ad hominem? I won't bother with people like you. Did you think I posted the rebuttal for you? My goodness. The answer to that is an obvious no. You aren't the intelligentia you seem to think you are.
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  147.  @philesq9595  Um, how shall I put this gently? You are not talking to a monolingual, monocultural American. The way that you are contorting yourself in wild and incessant ad hominem and sheer psychobabble (an attempt, apparently, to . . . get under my skin, or something?) makes me embarrassed for you. You mean you really don't know? This is the best you can do? Jimmy has all kinds of fans. The people I mentioned all watch him regularly, before inviting him on their shows, or coming on his show, of course. I mean, they are hardly stupid. The only kind of fan he usually seems to lack is . . . someone like you. When it comes to comments, too, one never knows who is there simply to provoke. Ad hominem and swearing are a tipoff -- though these days, you can't tell just by that. Some are even false flags. I tend to think Sam Seder is too smart to approve your message. I don't understand why anyone would go to the lengths you do, for a politician. There is no one for whom I would write the bizarre, self-referential invective you just wrote.
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  148.  @philesq9595  What bothers me is when people are unfair, to anyone. Not "feelings." I'm very Kantian about this stuff. Do you know what I mean?
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  149.  @philesq9595  Because the issue is not Dore. That's why. I addressed the real issue in discussions with people interested in substance over messenger. Gray Zone just did a program including Dore as one guest, and they didn't shy away from constructive criticism of all parties turning this issue into ad hominem, as well as of Dore's style of communication. Great, I'm all for it. There are GOOD actors throughout this movement. Do you think objections to ad hominem rest on "feewings?" Fine. I can't persuade you not. If you don't see what it is and why it is fundamentally wrong, I guess I have to rely on Socrates who asserted that you cannot teach morality. It's impossible. Well, to explain what he meant would take too long. Thanks, but I don't celebrate Christmas. Will you "pray for me," LOL? Or, "I wish you peace." And here I thought you knew all the deft means of asserting superiority that would impress a mediocre mind.
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  150.  @philesq9595  Wait. Is all this because I said Jimmy Dore has a wonderful wife? Oh my goodness. Gasp! Okay!!! Sorry.
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  151.  @moety2  I'm saying it's not predictable. Did you really not get that part? It is not predictable because PANDEMIC. Etc.
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  152.  @moety2  You predict it cannot pass. I say it could -- not that it would, necessarily. I think it could. But if it didn't, anyone who voted against it would have to answer for that vote. If you have memory challenges, consult with a professional. Oh. Wait. Maybe you don't have good insurance . . .
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  153.  @moety2  It was a joke. A hypothetical joke, at that. You were pretending you forgot the thread of the argument, and claimed that I "jumped to the opposite conclusion," leaving the door open. For the joke. Inviting it, in fact, by adding "Makes perfect sense lol."
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  154.  @moety2  Or is modal logic the problem here? You can find free books on that online. Sheesh.
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  155.  @moety2  You know what for real? I've got mine. I'm insured. Why should I care? That's the real American credo. The "good job" is all yours.
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  156.  @moety2  I didn't at all, and you know it. Why this righteous indignation, suddenly? It is not amusing. Neither useful nor decorative. But have it your way. If people won't put up a real FIGHT for health care, they will not get it. Not my problem. I've decided to give up on this one. My sole political focus will be to prevent new wars and new slaughters of Third World peoples, here and abroad. That will be the challenge. Health care is not worth the candle.
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  157.  @moety2  Agree with most of para. 2
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  158.  @moety2  How is Pelosi an "ally" if she refuses to put M4A up for a vote during the worst pandemic in over a century? She's an ally of the monied interests. What does she think her job is? Did Pelosi give AOC a committee chair that she wanted and was qualified for? No, that went to one-time Republican Kathleen Rice, who once withheld her vote from Pelosi for Speaker. Need more information?
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  159.  @moety2  The only person with something to lose in this picture is the person to pressure. That's Pelosi. She is NOT an ally. Hence there is no problem with pressuring her. (Hence I put "ally" in quotes. And I made it a question. See it now? Or did you stop reading at the first clause?)
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  160.  @SpockCanYouSaveme  Oh he must. Because everyone is an idiot but The Majority Report Read Books. They will Explain Things to the rest of us.
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  161.  @morpheusrising9534  Great point. And why are they doing that??
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  162.  @Aditya-sn4sr  Why are you so sure it will not pass? Because there isn't a pandemic? Because there won't be a recession? Because tens of millions will not lose employer-sponsored health care in 2021? Because nothing has changed?
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