Comments by "L.W. Paradis" (@l.w.paradis2108) on "Joe Rogan Calmly Obliterates Jordan Peterson" video.

@joshvalkenaar4076 Says someone who knows a bullshitter when he hears one is more like it.
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@LPempty He's in it for the money.
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Who made up his own definition of "equality of outcome?" WHO advocates an actual "equality of outcome?" Peterson advances it, he needs to define his terms.
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This was addressed -- if you actually listened to the entire broadcast. What does "equality of outcome" mean? The person who claims that a segment of the polity embraces this position, and that it is SO dangerous, needs to be clear, no? Or, who needs to define their terms?
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@darkwolf4434 Come again?
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@benisjamin6583 This was a superb video.
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@benisjamin6583 Oh come off it. He did contract himself, flagrantly, and Rogan argued the point very well. It couldn't be more obvious. It all came down to a matter of whose ox is being gored -- for Peterson, just as it is for most people who haven't thought through their partisan political positions. The oldest story in the book! I personally have sympathy for Peterson's health issues, and those that his family has had to struggle with, but of course when confronted with severe problems, he was no better than anyone else at solving them. Frankly, I've done far better in life with bigger challenges.
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@benisjamin6583 YouTube followers? And it's spelled "ad hominen" -- but pointing out hypocrisy is not ad hominem. His recent health issues are just another example of being incapable of walking the walk, and of being a human being who displays himself as being wise but is no wiser than anyone else. My personal life remains personal, and I'm not going to risk compromising my privacy to prove something to some stranger, but yes, I have done far better than Peterson -- with refugee parents. Of course I have three degrees. How about you? If he's a hero for you, ask yourself why you need him to be your hero. Not only have I listened to him, but I've read all the major works he recommends on his website. A combination of Nietzsche and Jung gets recycled pretty regularly, and is known to appeal to the youth, especially young men. (Did you know that? Well.) Peterson needed the money, for real (his family has long-standing health issues, sheer bad luck, not self-generated), and he found a way to monetize it again. I'm surprised. I also read a few chapters of his book, the ones that looked most promising, and felt sorry for him. Worse than I thought, much worse. At least he speaks to people most of the insipid chattering classes ignore. I'm not sure that most of what he tells them is so good, however. Very few gurus ever have anything good to say; pick your flavor of self-serving, because that is what they are. "YouTube followers!!!" The new desert of the unreal.
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@H3kler They didn't listen that far.
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@Eerielai Yeah. Any sort of "equality" where erotic love is concerned is senseless and bizarre. When it comes to the very basics of sustaining life and ensuring equal opportunity to develop one's talents, for oneself and for the good of all, that is quite a different matter.
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@michaeltadrous9234 He was caught in a flagrant and self-serving, but very human, contradiction. Just like any ordinary guy might be. Rogan spotted it right away, and didn't lord over him for it. It was't bad, it was funny.
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@brwi1 Because lovemaking is neither fungible, nor absolutely necessary for life. But Marxism frees you so that you can actually pursue a pure relationship, instead of, say, marrying for money. And frees you from not having enough time to have a real relationship at all.
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@darrengillesdarrengilles8336 That's not what happened in this segment. Peterson was caught in a flagrant contradiction. I will say, society is in a sorry state when thousands of people need someone like Peterson to help them. I will also say that at least he is not some meritless charlatan, like so many others clearly are. The basic "prosperity gospel" huckster comes to mind as an example of the latter. Peterson is without a doubt a cut above that.
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@brwi1 I mean, you won't die without it. That's all I meant. But okay.
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@brwi1 I guess you already forgot the post before the post you're responding to. Hope it's the eggnog.
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@brwi1 Who suggested it did? No hint in my posts.
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@brwi1 Asked and answered.
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@benisjamin6583 Looking at it in another way, if Trump (or Biden) can be President, no less, why then, surely Jordan Peterson can be an intellectual. Why not? Oh, and . . . are friends bound not to point out contradictions in each other's arguments? And when they do, they didn't really? If Rogan and Peterson are friends, then Peterson didn't contradict himself? Hey, okay. Have it however you like.
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@benisjamin6583 On the contrary, I specialized in Socrates and Plato for one of my degrees. Socrates DID walk the walk -- I refer you to some of Foucault's last lectures on precisely that subject, a long meditation on truthtellers (MIT published them). Socrates was always coherent: he said exactly what he thought, and he did what he said. (BTW, in case you believed Peterson about Foucault -- OOPS.) A person who knows about benzodiazepines and nevertheless turns to them in a moment of despair is NOT coherent. I thought you knew enough about him -- that he does have health issues, as does his daughter, and now his wife, that were not self-generated in the least, in contrast to the ones in which he certainly played a role, and which you assumed I alluded to when you said these clips predate his drug problem. He also has a strange fixation on Russia (he even named his daughter after Gorbachev, look it up), and as a non-Westerner, I always note that. I mean, I like that civilization a lot, it's not foreign to me, but . . . it's something to watch out for in Westerners, generally. Not that it proves anything; it may mean nothing -- just that when you see it in people who don't have those roots, be a little bit on guard. Let's put it that way. This is a waste of MY time. Have it your way. The Secret made more money, didn't it? As did reality shows. As did casinos, plastic surgeons, all sorts of things. If YOU ever bothered with Socrates, you would recognize that fallacy as one of the key fallacies he pointed out. Popularity hardly proves anything, especially during certain points in history. Like right about now. I was about to say more, but it's really futile. You could have learned something from me . . . you could have at least gotten a few recommendations for really good books. Well, I have a minute, so: The Apology -- read it carefully, then read it again, then again. See what Socrates says about people who make money to impart pseudo-wisdom. See what he says about the wisdom of the common people, who are usually looked down upon. (A veritable commie before the fact! And so much for hierarchies and lobsters!) Gabor Mate for real wisdom. Any self-help book that deals with doing something else, rather than dwelling on the self, is vastly better than any straight-up "self-help." So, books on writing, or on music, like The Perfect Wrong Note, or books on acting (Audition; How to Stop Acting), or on investing (AlphaBrain) will always do more for you. If you go for darker entertainment, and wry, edgy advice with literary flair, by all means Robert Greene. And he's probably not someone I agree with politically, or socially, and his advice shouldn't be taken too seriously -- as he himself tells you. But he's really funny, and great at what he does. You can find some good books to read when reading Greene -- unlike Peterson, who is a dead end. I've just given you so much, and for free! Out of sheer generosity. Imagine, this is not monetized! I can guess your reaction. But one day, when you might be tempted to, say, pop a pill, get drunk, or some such, you just might come back here and start reading, and doing, instead. That would be great. I'm always for that.
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@benisjamin6583 WAIT A SECOND. You think MONEY is a measure of how someone's doing?? I need to see bank statements, to know how someone's doing? No. You're, like, kidding. Right?
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@benisjamin6583 Have it your way. If a person is doing well, they say what they say because they believe it. If a person is not doing well, they say what they say for the money. (EDIT: Doing well is an inner state, obviously. It is not defined by bank balances, retweets, etc., etc.) I've caught him in a lot of contradictions, and he spouts tons of nonsense, much of it obviously bad faith and quite a lot of it harmful (such as, for example, his claim about the inevitability of hierarchies, his misuse of evolutionary biology, and his advocacy for LESS tax support for public universities, when he must know that that support has been systematically gutted, ruining the futures of millions, because someone, somewhere is a . . . Gender Studies major!). Still, there's something sad about him that makes him hard to dislike. I dislike most of what comes out of his mouth. Just one question: why would you think Plato and Socrates are examples of why health is unrelated to the pursuit of philosophy? They both cultivated good health, and were in good health. I think they believed doing so was needed as a first step toward pursuing philosophy, or more precisely, that it was a part of philosophy itself. The notion of philosophy was much broader than just intellectual development. It was to be lived, in every sense. I'm guessing you thought of them because Peterson uses them as examples, and falsifies Socrates. I seem to remember that, but I could be have him mixed up with someone similar. Falsified Socrates is a popular right-wing trope, right up there with "cultural Marxism," which is allegedly "post-truth." ("Post-truth!" Okay, that is a complete hoot. Tell that to anyone working in an Innocence Project.) If it is Peterson who is telling you this stuff, then he just misled you again. OH WELL. Don't shoot the messenger.
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@benisjamin6583 I'll be honest with you, I'm not going to read this. I suspected you might be using the name of Socrates without knowing anything about the man, but I was hoping not. In the moment of his great anguish, James Baldwin turns to him, and quotes him in one of his autobiographical works. Read some good stuff. For real.
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