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P-J Proudhom As a cover, so that when, for example, he suddenly emerges as the owner of more American farmland than any other person (and uses it for things like GMO expansion and carbon "offsets"), or it turns out that he went to Epstein's apartment more than one time, he can point to one of his vaccine programs and say "but philanthropy!!! Are you against philanthropy???"
I can think of an analogy that might impress you: when the Clintons' dealings with Russian uranium schemes, or crucial role in ill-advised bombing campaigns, or . . . um, Epstein, are revealed, they can say, "but misogyny!!! But vast right-wing conspiracy! But, but Trump something something RUSSIA!!!"
In the meantime, let's all empower women and girls.
You really don't get it? How sweet.
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@somebody700 WHAT welfare? Literally EVERY developed country has a generous social safety net compared with America. We have food stamps for families whose breadwinners work full time and make minimum wage. We have an educational system the funding of which is based on the market price of the real property surrounding a school. We have no universal health care. We have real wages declining for two full generations now, not one. We have gig jobs with no benefits, no disability insurance, and no unemployment compensation until the current national emergency.
This is so dire that the recent Stockton experiment, giving people $500 a month, no strings, worked spectacularly well -- those who got the cushion were MORE likely to get a new job, by far. Of COURSE. They could buy a new laptop and a new set of clothes! A few of them could think about taking a community college class, I'm sure. Might have been the first time in a long time they felt less stressed.
Do you have any black friends? I don't mean in your community, I mean who live in a poorer one. Do you have any idea how hard they work for very little money? You really don't know this? You think they're underpaid because they don't work? Wow.
While you're at it, tell us what to do to get Jeff Bezos to work, instead of taking pictures of his . . . for his girlfriend.
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@migarsormrapophis2755 It is fundamentally a part of the concept of LIBERTY.
P. S. OF COURSE I oppose mandatory vaccination against COVID. Law almost always involves balancing interests, very much like in abortion. The vaccines are not nearly safe enough, nearly effective enough, nor necessary to stem an illness that is both highly contagious and highly lethal, to justify encroaching on LIBERTY.
The Fourteenth Amendment also protects the right to marry whomever you choose, the right to have children and to parent them, to use birth control if you choose, or refuse it. So, which do you want to give up?
More to the point, how do you propose to police pregnancy? You'll have to. Have bounty hunters, like Texas? An inquiry in cases of miscarriage? Manslaughter charges against a bar that unknowingly serves a pregnant woman, who then miscarries? And what do you do with the embryos created at fertility clinics?
What happens if a pregnant woman attempts suicide? Incarcerate her? Capital punishment if she survives but the baby doesn't? What happens if someone carries RU 486 across state lines?
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@billchessell8213 War, of course. But first it creates unstable excess and environmental degradation, which is psychologically very harmful to people. For example, becoming used to luxury that you could suddenly lose creates a lack of resourcefulness and a dependency on that luxury, as well as moments of extreme anxiety. If something happens and the luxury doesn't continue, you are much worse off than if you never had it in the first place. OTOH, having what you need, and having it be largely stable, so that you can count on having it, but being a little bit "hungry" from time to time, is a better balance. It's also the formula for creativity. I'm describing the material conditions of many creative geniuses.
Boom and bust, especially big, big boom and total bust, is horrible. Mental illness, physical illness, violence, suicide, war, extremism, everything. Dangling great wealth in front of us as though it were desirable is such a scam.
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rs_ Yes. I accept that VAERS reports are unaudited. Incidents may also be underreported, as they have been in the past. Not only doctors report, and in any case, what is the basis for a doctor's "clarification" (in this politically-charged) climate (see, e.g., Mattias Desmet for more information)? And the head of the CDC does not have the numbers. Therefore we do not know, either.
What you said about person years makes no sense. Vaccine-induced myocarditis generally appears quickly, infection-induced can take weeks. We know this. If you don't make the distinction, you don't capture the facts. Moreover, the vaccine is very incomplete. Obviously this requires multivariate analysis. That's not speculation. My source is logic. (And the fact that I'm an attorney who worked extensively on the Daubert rule in the federal system. I know about taking a hard look at time lines.)
I find it funny that you ask me for my "source," as if you've caught me flat-footed or something, when the head of the CDC just admitted before the Senate that she does not have the numbers. That was under oath.
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@itsyourenotyour9101 The point is, the next generation cannot afford apartments, nevermind to start saving for a house, because of the debt burden. They stay on their parents' health insurance until age 26, provided they don't get married, which they can't do anyway because of having debt at the start of life.
Do you really not see where this is going? No generation in my lifetime was infantilized like this one. When I was a kid, the college students paid for their full year of tuition with a summer job, and their dorm with part-time work study. Then they could move to ANY city, with an ordinary job and one or two roommates. Yes, even San Francisco, even New York. That was opportunity. This isn't.
It was over by the time I graduated.
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THIS! Absolutely. In the 1980s, France had the best elective abortion law, limited at 12 weeks, so during the embryonic phase. Counseling was mandatory. They always asked a woman why she wanted to abort. If she so much as mentioned money, she had to go to a second office that gave her information on all the public aid she would be entitled to. The paperwork she got said up front, the French Republic supports natality. She also had to sign an affidavit declaring she was a "mother in distress" in order to proceed.
Government paid 70% for elective abortion, 100% for births, including a clothing allowance. After 12 weeks, medically necessary abortions could be approved by a three-doctor panel, and severe psychiatric distress could be a reason, depending.
No idea what they do now. It was the best abortion law in the world, by my lights. France had really low infant and maternal mortality.
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@Ludlow889 Let me see if I understand. According to you, the virus has not been identified, there are many false positives, BUT we can use seropositivity to estimate mortality rates.
You know, you can find biologists, real ones, who tout Creation Science. And a member of the Manson family married a Harvard Law grad while she was in prison.
As for the policy debates on how best to deal with COVID, the left in most places has insisted we open a conversation. This is true of France Insoumise, this is true of Jimmy Dore. The reason it is getting so little traction in the US is because nothing the political leaders have done so far has been rational. It is not evident where to start. Citing false, misleading, or discredited studies is not the place.
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@Naylor Broughton Too bad my content response disappeared. This channel may not allow links, as they can be misused and are hard to monitor, and I had a link to back up my point on "influencers" who tell the blatant lie that you have to "accept responsibility" in order to "turn your life around." (There was a fascinating story about one "Jane Buckingham" who made a career spreading that advice, and then got busted in the college admissions scandal when she did the opposite of what she preached.)
The other point was investment bankers and corporate C-suite executives and corporate raiders all make their millions by minimizing risk -- which means minimizing the responsibility they would need to assume if their bets, er, I mean their investments, go south. Offloading responsibility is how money is made. It is what the corporate form itself is designed to do, shelter people from having to take personal responsibility for the ramifications of business decisions. (That's why Tony Hayward never had to pay back salary, bonuses, stock options . . . Why Wall Street never had clawbacks, etc. That's also why they keep telling YOU to "take responsibility!")
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rs_ Your first point about VAERS is simply factually incorrect. VAERS has always been plagued by underreporting, and this fact has been demonstrated; whether VAERS has persisted in having this issue during COVID remains to be determined, but we have no evidence to presume the reporting is suddenly comprehensive. The head of the CDC just admitted before the Senate that she does not have the numbers of severe adverse events from the vaccine at her disposal. She testified under oath, thus had to concede she does not have that number.
A vaccine can reduce the risk of myocarditis from COVID but not eliminate it, while at the same time creating a risk of myocarditis from the vaccine itself, especially where multiple shots are administered. So you can't simply substitute the lower risk for the higher. By comparing the one to three weeks following one injection with the longer time frame we look at to determine all of the ill effects of COVID, including myocarditis, whenever it may be contracted, we obscure this fact. IOW, it would not be additive if this vaccine eliminated (essentially) all risk of COVID, and hence of myocarditis from COVID as well, but it doesn't. It wears off pretty fast, too. And then comes the booster.
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@S2pidMedia I'm not even sure whether I had it, late March 2020. No testing available to people who had not traveled to Asia. Acute symptoms very brief, feeling lousy for a good six weeks, and just odd. For example, severe chills and night sweats yet little fever, severe fatigue, a little cough, a headache that felt like cicadas were buzzing in my head. Fabric softener mixed with perspiration was the only thing I could smell, and fabric softener made me sick for six months. Could not bear the smell.
Whatever it was, I never had that before. Four months out, not enough antibodies to determine what it was. :/
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@brandonbath6097 You're the one who needs to think this through. I didn't say some guy. I said the father.
If you haven't noticed that all of our rights are being trashed, and that it has already affected you, and that you have every right to try to persuade people never to choose abortion, but not to have state power decide for them, and that stuff like abortion pills can cross state lines, and that your jails are filled, and that school massacres are ubiquitous, as are drug overdoses, as is teenage sex trafficking, as is child homelessness . . . Well, I guess I don't understand anymore. This is your focus? And you think it won't haunt you?
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@RicArmstrong HOW can you believe this? First of all, you don't see that he was totally self-involved, completely undisciplined, and hopelessly LAZY? I mean, just suppose you liked some of the things he said. Did he DO any of them? He admits to Bob Woodward that he KNEW of the danger of COVID, and downplayed it. He is so stupid, he admits this, to one of the journalists who broke the Watergate story, because Woodward is a lifelong Republican who didn't join the Never Trumpers. This is emblematic of how his brain works.
We have NEVER had so many drone strikes as under Trump, PLUS he stopped collecting data on civilian deaths. Not only that, but he lifted the moratorium on funding gain of function viral research (did you fall for his Good Cop Bad Cop routine with Fauci? He never did replace Fauci, did he?), and he singlehandedly undermined public health when the pandemic hit.
He nominated rank incompetents to the US Supreme Court, because someone else told him who to pick. He doesn't care, his family won't suffer for it.
He did a lot of other things -- worse things -- but I'm only listing what a Trump fan might finally acknowledge. I won't bother trying to convince you he attempted to undermine the Constitution by clinging to power in January, to gratify his own ego and avoid looming financial issues. Or to mention his encouragement of racism, of fascist elements, etc., etc., etc. The man has no limits to his narcissism.
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@G R No, just have it your way. Most comments are not written primarily for the person they were addressed to, anyway, which means they are flawed -- mine included, obviously.
(BTW, your description of what Mussolini did in pretending to espouse socialism and adopting many of its symbols and slogans, being that socialism held great prestige as a theory in Italy between the wars and in Europe generally, would qualify as a (figurative) "false flag.")
Why did you ignore the rest of what I said? The rest was the important part.
If a lot of people here are ignorant, that isn't true of everyone. Look at it this way: you must realise that Dr. Cornel West, Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, Glenn Greenwald, Chris Hedges, Richard Wolff, Briahna Joy Gray, Katie Halper, Kyle Kulinski, Krystal Ball, Matt Taibbi, and on and on and on, are all very astute people, tremendously well educated, AND quite aware that Jimmy is flawed. Why do they make allowances for that? What do you think they all see in him? Sleep on it a little. It will come to you. But to make it easier, another little hint: Jimmy knows he's flawed. He never tried to put on like he wasn't.
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@o77eh Small part, lived there over 5 years, had to learn it. Mother made me. :)
It's my third language. Listen online, you'll catch on. I like Thinkerview, news of the weird (just kidding). They just dropped a new video, have got to watch. I like Aude Lancelin, another great journalist who got kicked out of a prestigious mainstream media job.
Seriously, listen an hour a day, put it in the background.
(Paradis is a translation of my real name, which really does mean paradise. If I were British, maybe I'd go by Eden? Hmm . . . Cela ne me dit rien.)
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@steves6756 "You and only you are responsible for your plight in life . . . "
Those who lost loved ones on 9/11, in Iraq and Afghanistan, to the COVID pandemic, pediatric cancers, mass shooters, medical malpractice, rogue cops, or who were victims of Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein, so-called clergy, etc., etc., etc., not to mention those who lost a chunk of savings thanks to countless frauds like Enron, or because of pension funds that invested in fraudulent CDOs and swaps before 2008, etc., all thank you for that.
I can advise you about one thing: don't try to become a real writer.
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@Reckless Ron I have noticed that well-written comments are much more likely to be disappeared, in one way or another, than are bizarre rants, and this has been true for as long as I remember -- certainly over 20 years. The worst rants stay up, and really vile abuse stays up. One ostensible explanation is that the well-written posts contain factual assertions, and anyone can single out a statement of fact and call it misleading, based only on what it emphasizes. On the other hand, rants are "opinions." Opinions can't be deemed false so easily (even a baseless opinion is someone's opinion). Notice how sinister this is: it makes you think everyone is nuts, that no one can think rationally, and no one out there agrees with you. It makes you think you're really alone.
I think it's deliberate. I've seen it too many times, for years, and everywhere. I only joined YouTube when my state shut down in 2020, and YouTube is exactly the same as every other platform. Everyone I know who takes the time to post interesting stuff says the same thing.
You mentioned the unusual vaccines you've had. Are you a veteran?
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@thomashasty2936 Intense, unrelenting propaganda, fear-mongering, forced isolation, and economic insecurity was imposed from above, followed by a mandate they had promised would never be imposed, thus dividing society in two -- and they hid what they knew, such as the inability of the vaccine to prevent illness and spread. People who noticed contradictions were vilified unrelentingly. This was imposed top down. That isn't what happened during either the Russian Revolution or during the rise of Hitlerism. There was no bottom-up movement at all. It was ordinary, working people who were scared but also baffled -- this seemed to have come upon them like a lightning strike on a sunny day. VERY few ordinary people sought to control strangers. Browbeating came from bourgeois managerial types, including the C-suite, doctors, academics, the best-paid media spokesmodels, etc., and it started in 2020, long before any vaccine. "Essential workers" were abused and manipulated, and ridiculed for being afraid to go to work while being told to be afraid. This used to be called a "mind f***."
Funny how many were economically ruined --- but a few became millionaires and billionaires. Ha ha.
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Jimmy, in every European country, everyone has to say socialist-sounding things. It's why the Nazis called themselves "socialists;" there was no hope for any opposition party that didn't. Everyone from Einstein to Oscar Wilde called themselves a socialist, and this was in contrast to communism, in fact, used not in a technical sense, as a historical moment on the road to communism, but to indicate a more moderate left wing stance.
As you can see, this is still true. She is very far right, by European standards. Of course, being in the opposition to the neoliberal elites, she will say many things that the Left also believes. You were right to notice her support for Ukraine.
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@bobbunni8722 No, that's what happened when states withdrew tax support from their state university systems, and then government-backed LOANS to individual students, not actual support for schools, came in to occupy the space. IOW, another money-making scheme for FIRE (Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate) was born.
Now, a student whose parents are not already rich dare not study what he has a real flare for. He has to study what will be instantly marketable upon graduation, so he can pay off his loans. Any other course is a risk. But studying in an area where you might turn out to be outstanding, and actually create new things, is better for you and for society in the long run. Dare you try? No, you must live in debt peonage. FIRE will see to it.
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@OMGAnotherday Nice discussion, thanks. I'm also becoming very concerned about the effects political measures to alleviate spread have been having. Constant focus on health, pitting people and groups against one another, and stoking abnormal fear of disease and death has been going on for so long that it is starting to kill and cripple people, too.
I saw a video from Switzerland about people who have declined vaccination, and it was very interesting. It was obvious that some people's reasons were nonsensical, and some expressed normal, human concerns. The side effects are bad enough that everyone knows someone who had an inordinately bad experience that they probably should not have exposed themselves to, since they were too young to be at serious risk from the disease. And to be fair, it may not just be vaccines; the constant din about health may have added to their stress, slowing down what would have been a faster recovery from the side effects. This can happen, too. I bet it has. I still remember when "wholistic" was taken seriously.
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@CanoeToNewOrleans Do you know what happened? Sullivan is a law professor, and continues to be. After there was serious police misconduct in the Harvey Weinstein case, with a detective coaching a witness and hiding exculpatory evidence -- both of which have constitutional implications -- Sullivan briefly joined the defense team. The hue and cry was deafening. They hounded him out from the position of Dean because they no longer felt he was on the side of protecting women. So Harvard, in a magnificent show of feminist solidarity, fired him and HIS WIFE. Don't take my word for it. Look it up. (In my opinion, and although I would never have had anything to do with Weinstein personally, I think the case did become interesting after the police misconduct came to light. I support anyone who wanted to join the defense for that reason, and college students are supposed to be mature enough to understand why a lawyer would. They are adults. I admire Sullivan, actually, for daring to take a hugely unpopular case.)
If universities are among the most inclusive places, then we are in a bad, bad way. Every larger office I've been in is more diverse than any school -- authentically diverse. I think many schools are looking to groom a certain type of alumnus, and that they tolerate differences of opinion among majority-background students that they would see as "threatening" among minorities. The diversity is superficial. Anyway, a possibility to consider.
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@aquato33 Well, if the issue concerns taking up space in hospitals, how was the second surge in 2020 managed, which was far larger than the first? Lockdowns to slow spread where medical resources actually are taxed to the breaking point could become necessary, but that isn't an entire economy. There are other, more effective measures possible -- finally, at-home testing kits will be covered by insurance. They have been in Germany for a long time.
The POINT is, massive lockdowns did not end the pandemic, but did serious harm. And Sweden, which had no lockdowns, has a lower case fatality and per capita fatality rate than we do. Japan's rate is phenomenally low, despite hosting the Olympics and having a relatively slow vaccine rollout. We need to share information.
We also had record drug overdose deaths in the US . . . BTW. :/
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@kevinsyd2012 To follow up, by comparison, in one study, the MMR vaccine caused one death in nearly 3 million doses. The rate of probable adverse events, all types, was about 3 per 100,000 vaccinated (not doses, but people). That is a vaccine known to have significant benefits, lowering deaths from infection in general in children, not just deaths from measles, mumps, and rubella.
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@bluelanterns2982 The NEJM, Nov 13, 1997, has an article on the Nuremberg Code, 50 year anniversary. It pertains to experimentation on human subjects. It is very worthwhile to read it, and to keep an open mind about how various mandates constitute an encroachment on basic human rights. There is NO WAY an EUA can possibly support mandates. In any case, who can force you to go to a doctor for any treatment, ever? That is your choice. You have to consent. People can be quarantined for public health reasons, or obligated to wear masks, or any number of things, but they cannot be forced to accept any intrusion on their body. You have to PERSUADE them to give consent.
It isn't "a thing," my arse.
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@kevinsyd2012 The October 23 article you cited states that the data they used only went up to March 24, 2021, well before the Delta variant came on the scene -- and long before they could determine the effect of gradually waning vaccine efficacy. Since that time, boosters have been recommended. In any case, a vaccine that prevents, say, 75% of the vaccinated from transmitting a virus for a period of 6 to 9 months can only slow the spread of that virus. And no particular individual will know when their own immunity will wane, or whether one day they have mild COVID that feels like a little cold, they plan to test but somehow don't, and they transmit the virus to someone else.
Not to belabor it, but when you go ad hom, well . . .
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@chedderburg No. Most humans want the reputation of seeking good, because that reputation is rentable. You can monetize it. Saying that most people seek good is failing to appreciate goodness. Goodness is not common.
I can personally give you, off the top of my head, seven examples of people who were emotionally abused after contracting cancer. Two were pediatric cases. I represented one of them in education rights, for free. We lost in the end. The one person on our side quit. In another case, the company payroll clerk tried hard to get a woman fired for it, because health insurance premiums would go up. Do I need to tell you she was very vocal in support of charities? She read her Bible at lunch.
Very few people are good, even fewer are evil. Most are mediocre. The mediocre are more likely to do what the evil want them to do, or at least what won't attract the attention of the evil. It's safer.
Frankly, you come across as someone who never tried to stop evil. If you had, you'd know. (BTW, I already offered my home to Ukrainian refugees if needed, through a Ukrainian friend. You?)
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@phazemekaniks What am I getting at? The fact that mandates for everyone are known to be ill-advised. That is the evidence. Who is telling YOU, or people like you, not to get vaccinated? You're not a teenaged boy, are you? You haven't had a case of COVID and a serious reaction to the first shot? I'm not a doctor. I'm not judging your personal medical decisions. We aren't debating medicine here, but social policy. Keith Olbermann isn't a doctor, either, or a psychologist. Or persuasive. Or sane. He'll turn people away from a vaccine that could benefit them with his bizarre rant. But you think, what? That Joe Rogan or Russell Brand, or Jimmy are the problem? How? Russell and Jimmy got vaccinated, Rogan had an appointment to get the J&J vaccine when it was pulled. He stated his parents were vaccinated, and he was happy they were. I think his wife is as well. Cut the crap, sheesh.
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@deanok306 No, BRITISH sources. That was where the report came from. Well, the credible report anyway. I don't follow CNN, etc., for anything important, or really anything.
Reuters: Sept 20 (Reuters) - The White House on Monday criticized the use of horse reins to threaten Haitian migrants after images circulated of a U.S. border guard on horseback charging at migrants near a riverside camp in Texas . . . Reuters witnesses saw mounted officers wearing cowboy hats blocking the paths of migrants, and one officer unfurling a cord resembling a lariat, which he swung near a migrant's face.
The Independent: Sept 22 -- The second-in-command at a union for US Border Patrol has tried to defend the use of horse reins around migrants in Del Rio, Texas, where tens of thousands have arrived from Haiti. . . Recent images from Del Rio have shown migrants fleeing Border Patrol agents on horseback who are wielding their reins like whips, with a Reuters witness catching an agent unfurl and swing one in front of migrants.
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rs_ I found his reference to Italy, for introducing fines for not being vaccinated, thus making it a misdemeanor/minor infraction. Did you see where he said lockdowns alone are fascist? Some of the tactics being used, such as where police beat or teargassed anti-mandate protesters, were ridiculous, and yeah, I see a tinge of fascism in that. The fever pitch hysteria over any questions about these top-down directives, and hyperbole from people like McCullough, who has a few ostensibly good points to make, really angered me. There are no "sides" in honest, empirical investigation. Reminds me of Adam Curtis documentaries, where he shows the false flags to be false flags. Or are they? Yeesh.
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Instead of worrying about a YouTube channel that started in a stand-up comic's garage, take charge. Take your child to a cardiologist, a hematologist, a neurologist, see what they say, start eating organic vegetables, cut out all unhealthy snacks or added sugar, take walks with him in pretty scenery, around forest preserves with geese or deer, or beautiful fall colors, and insist that your child WILL get better, matter-of-factly. Don't model depression, don't model excessive concern. Have after-school art projects out for him, if he likes that. New books, new paints. See how that works.
Instead you think a YouTuber is an issue? Because he doesn't support vaccine mandates for children? You've got to be kidding. Tune him out. He doesn't matter, he's not in your life.
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@peterpeters2412 You miss the point. "Doing your own research" was once universally lauded. Now it is universally denounced. That is what is called propaganda. That is what we are being subjected to. You're stating there is a sound argument for caution when advocating doing your own research. You're right. No question. But no one is making any argument. Instead, people with legitimate concerns have been subjected to jeering, defamation, vilification, being fired from their jobs, and every other abuse you can think of short of beatings or prisons. And it's all been based on lies, half-truths, and assertions that no one could make because we simply didn't know certain things about the vaccines in January 2021.
I had a doctor lie to me. He told me categorically that no one had died of any COVID vaccine, at a time when it was already established that one of the vaccines was the probable cause of lethal strokes, and it was paused for that reason. Why did he do that? If I were not an avid reader, I would not have known. He lied to me, and I have a Master's in ancient philosophy and philosophy of science, and a JD. How free does he feel to lie to "ordinary" people?
Now we know the mRNA vaccines have been implicated as well. Clearly they are not suitable for everyone, yet given the way they have been politicized, doctors are afraid to make the appropriate risk/benefit analysis when counseling their patients. (The real disgrace is that any doctor can look at the websites of the ministries of health of other nations, like France, Germany, Switzerland, and the Scandinavian countries, and see what they are recommending, and compare it to our CDC. That alone should open some eyes.) What a sh*t show of shameful manipulation this has been.
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@peterpeters2412 We both know how badly this pandemic was managed.
You can't lie to people -- no matter how ignorant you think they are, and no matter how ignorant they actually are.
You can't browbeat them, while declining to provide universal health care, or even take a vote on universal healthcare. It's still their life. You can't coerce vaccination, then jeer at those injured by it or minimize what they're going through. The malpractice lawsuits, not against the manufacturers but the doctors who minimized serious side effects -- some of which were truly rare and unexpected, granted -- are unlike any I've seen before. When a woman comes to an ER with symptoms and she is sent home with tranquilizers three times, and only when she comes back a fourth time is it established that she has Guillen Barre syndrome (probably more unusual from a COVID vaccine than the flu vaccine some years, and very rare from those), that is unacceptable.
I have met well-educated people who have declined a flu vaccine ever since the swine flu debacle in 1976, which was not a catastrophe and was rectified quickly. No one tried to bury the truth -- once a problem was detected, of course the information was shared. I don't understand why over 40 years later they mistrust a flu shot, but that should tell you what happens once you lose trust.
While Trump was still in office, the main players in the DNC (Biden, Harris, Pelosi) assured us that there would be no vaccine mandates, and that medical privacy would not be suspended. We all know where that went. And when you add in the rampant censorship and the obvious effort to cover up the origins of the virus, what do you expect people to think?
People have a right to be disgusted. Comics help diffuse that. It's poor solace in my book.
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@o77eh Why? Lack of citizenship cannot deprive anyone of legal personhood, or the liberties the Fourteenth Amendment protects, but if you are not (yet) a person, you're not a citizen anywhere. So what? You don't have to be a citizen to have your liberty protected. You have to be a person.
If embryos and fetuses were legal persons, the question would not be up to the states to protect them or not, and to what extent. The Constitution would protect them, setting some minimum standard. "Let the states decide" means they aren't legal persons, and applies because they aren't. Overturning Roe v. Wade (and its progeny) would take us exactly there: the states get to decide how to regulate abortion. In fact, if any state choses not to regulate abortion, offhand I know of no federal law that would step in to do it. There might be one (a federal ban on "partial birth" abortions, based on a federal statute, obviously, not the Constitution).
It's obvious Cavanaugh and Barrett want the law to go there. This case won't let them.
If you have another argument in mind, let's see it.
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First of all, Isaac was smeared by Rolling Stone. If their goal was to promote vaccination, they certainly made a mistake.
Second, he just told you his team has said nothing to him about getting vaccinated. Moreover, there are limitations in what an employer can mandate. Do you think it could require women to use birth control? That would reduce health care costs for everyone, which is no trivial matter. Could it refuse to employ HIV positive people?
If routine, regular testing is as good or better than vaccination, should an employer accept that in lieu of vaccination, or should it be allowed to require vaccination? In any event, the players' union will have something to say. And don't be naive: NBA bosses may not want to take the myocarditis risk with their stars, even though it is very small, but they are keeping quiet about it.
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@steves6756 How many languages do you speak that you know "the general consensus" is opposed to the obvious proposition, to anyone who doesn't have the mentality of a cult member, that "the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all?"
That stuff is pretty old, and pretty much everyone in the world, cross-culturally, in various traditions and including the full-blown agnostics, have noticed it long ago.
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@steves6756 You said I was wrong because you disagree with me, and some blather about supply and demand, which presumes a free market -- which exists exactly nowhere. Adam Smith discussed in detail how a free market can be distorted (wrongly undermined, according to him, and here I agree) by the rentier class (think, feudal privileges sans titles). Adam Smith saw that issue long before the age of monopoly came along, which rendered his free market model as obsolete as the notion that the sun revolves around the earth. The basic features of modern life are all dependent on monopolies. Or, how do YOU think you get electricity, natural gas, running water, etc.?
In a free market, you could NOT impose wages low enough that full-time workers are unable to eat or find a place to live without public assistance. Your profits would be driven down by competitors who could offer workers better pay, consumers a product of indistinguishable if not better quality (it's called innovation) at roughly the same price (again, innovation), and people would then patronize those businesses (the ones with the smiling employees), and never eat at McDonald's.
But there is no free market. That's why this sequence did not happen.
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@danielgeistzer513 I haven't forgiven anyone who tried to muck with my life to the point of literally jeopardizing it, and I feel no burden at all. Struggling to excuse the inexcusable, on the other hand, would be a burden. That would sap my energy to no good purpose. I don't worry about that stuff.
On the other hand, whenever anyone who has harmed me has been identified and punished, I immediately feel sympathy for them. But while they have a little mob of lackeys around them, praising them? Nope, lol.
I think this "forgiveness" business is gaslighting. We hurt you, and we got you to hurt you, too, unless you come kiss our hand.
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@rishpanjeet7479 A free market places the means of production in private hands, and allows free competition to allocate optimally all resources that can be allocated using a market mechanism, while recognizing that some cannot. Smith was for allowing the Invisible Hand to operate not in every area of human endeavor, but in any area of endeavor where it could operate to allocate resources optimally. Hence his warnings about unproductive concentrations of wealth in the hands of a rentier class (read, a new, oisive, uncreative and unproductive aristocracy . . . how right he was). Monopoly capitalism is what free markets devolved into, with the capitalists capturing most of government power in various ways, hiding their tracks whenever necessary, and bragging openly whenever useful. What we have is the reign of monopoly capital. Free markets were a nice idea. Free markets are not capitalism, and were never intended to give rise to black-hole-like concentrations of wealth whose pull cannot be opposed. But believe what you want.
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@ludlow 889 Where did I say I support shutdowns? Much less shutdowns with no discussion of alternatives? I said the opposite. A handful of hotspots had hospitals and morgues overwhelmed, and drastic measures had to be taken -- but it would have made more sense to do a hard, brief shutdown of those areas, rather than a nation-wide soft shutdown. Dore himself asked why small businesses had to close, but Amazon warehouses stayed open.
I couldn't find most of the data you cite, and you didn't answer my question about the LOGIC. If it's true these tests are generating huge numbers of false positive results, then it is USELESS to look at death rates by seropositivity, since the seropositive might not even have been exposed to the virus, much less sick from it. You have to look at case mortality -- how many confirmed COVID sufferers, who actually got sick, died of their disease.
Personally, I'm more upset by the shutdowns, and consider them a danger to my health and wellbeing, than I am about COVID. I'm not afraid of COVID. But my personal feelings about the thing don't matter. Medical science matters.
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@tobe2btobe So much of MSM lied incessantly about Orange Caligula, that I would have to think carefully and do meticulous research to compile a solid list of ten or twelve atrocious things he actually did. This is a shame. Don't you see that?
The evidence in favor of vaccination is grossly insufficient to mandate it, much less to treat it as a panacea, and even the most ardent proponents of vaccination are becoming concerned (see, e.g., Dr. Eric Topol, who has reservations about America's overly "vaccine-centric" approach).
I'll tell you who is against mandates in other countries: LFI and PCF, the French hard left and the Communists. Ponder that. And that is in a society WITH universal health care, tuition-free college, universal pensions, and generous disability benefits -- not one where all risk is offloaded to the individual, and if you're harmed you're on your own. You don't know what you're shilling for. At least get paid well. Have something to show for it.
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@Raining Clean Taking the numbers shown on Worldometer, our case fatality rate is now clearly below 2%, and this number scales (so that the U.S. matches my state almost perfectly). Earlier in the pandemic, it was about 2% or 2.1%. Infection fatality rate is known to be lower, but estimates range. (There is a pro-vaccine researcher who put it at less than half. But I believe the CFR is a more solid statistic.) I've seen no commentary concerning the substantial plunge in the CFR. Literally zero, though a decrease of, say, 20% would seem to merit attention. Then, in some countries, CFR is clearly below 1%. Do we hear about what they're doing? Never. Instead, we hear hate speech and bizarre rants about "anti-vaxxers," when it is known that vaccination rates among people who have a real risk from COVID are lowest in underserved communities.
Just a moment of reflection brings all of this to mind. Just a moment of tuning out the din. I've lived through previous rounds of hysteria, but of course this one is the worst. They have to get bigger each time.
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Janet Baker Just let me say, first, you're right. But I meant, ALL presidents are bellicose. This one did not stand out as being moreso by any stretch, essentially due to laziness. "Average" war mongering, experimenting with new weapons, etc., however, is already a lot. We have the largest military, and the US Department of Defense is the world's largest employer, with bases all over the world.
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Oh please. JD, MBA, CPA, MD, DPharm, MPA, MLS, MFA, MSW, Bachelors and Masters in Nursing, Physical therapy. . . how many jobs am I up to? I didn't mention pure science or mathematics.
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@TheRBReaper I stated that pre-meds often don't major in science. Try again. My point was that a ton of various jobs DO require college, and this includes many that are NOT STEM.
I've known pre-meds majoring in philosophy, anthropology, and of course psychology. Pre-med requires a lot of science, but not a major. In fact, a concentration in, say, chemistry or physics is less valuable to a doctor than a well-chosen array of classes from several sciences, plus perfect grades. Statistics is more valuable to a doctor than advanced calculus. I had enough math to be a physics major, but that's deceptive: the minimum required is nowhere near enough to really do anything with it.
Do you know any pre-med students? Or any smart people, in any field? You should meet some. Also, a logic class might be helpful.
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@TheRBReaper If you get in trouble, do you go to an engineer, or a lawyer?
If you insist that doctors are STEM, all right. They aren't unless they go into research, but that hardly changes the basic point.
Given that I have more math than the physics or engineering majors at my university needed to graduate, should I claim I'm in a STEM field? (BTW, Do you know anything about the Symbolic Systems major at Stanford? Philosophy is a required subject. Anyway, you obviously don't know anything about the Symbolic Systems major, etc.)
I don't believe you're an engineer. In my advanced math classes, I never met an engineer whose logic was as poor as yours, asking me what my point was when it was obvious. You also seem to know nothing about what people study at university, or what sorts of jobs a college degree leads to. Looking at your posts as a whole, an attorney would make sure to examine your transcript and contact the registrar to verify it.
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@WitlessSod I didn't say I didn't hold him responsible. If he is a fraud, then he's a fraud, and he is to blame for being a fraud. And if he turns out to be a fraud and Jimmy fails to admit that he is, then, AND ONLY THEN, will I denounce Jimmy. No problem.
You're so quick to judge and categorize and reject the slightest nuance because that stance has served you. Goody for you.
People like Magnus are not going anywhere. You can't shun them all, relegate them to perpetual basement dwelling, or line them up and shoot them.
Some people take more risks than others. The former are generally more creative by nature. They make more mistakes, get into more trouble -- and discover more good things and new ways of approaching this poor life. That's how it is. You are SO cramped. You can't demand that everyone be like you, or condemn them as Nazis, or something, if they deviate from YOUR lead. SHEESH.
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@TheHuxleyAgnostic Glenn quit The Intercept, which he founded, because THEY BREACHED HIS CONTRACT. They thought they could, because they paid him so much. They thought he'd fold. They not only refused, contrary to his contract, to print the substance of what he wrote, they also attempted to prevent him from publishing the article elsewhere.
So, he quit. When someone violates your contract, and you can't persuade them to respect it, you walk away. This was about a contract. He's a lawyer, he knows he can't tell editors out in the world how to edit -- and as a First Amendment advocate, it wouldn't cross his mind to try.
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@TheHuxleyAgnostic The local shop analogy is worthless because the Internet is global, with near-instant access almost anywhere in the world, and has immense, virtually limitless capacity for data. The local shop bulletin board is small, under the shopkeeper's easy access and control, and doesn't enjoy broad federal immunities from lawsuit, either.
In a recent case, Yelp did not have to remove proven defamation. By proven, I mean in court, a final judgment. The victim had to find the long-gone defendant and get a court order to make her take it down, and couldn't. Yelp is immune, and refused to take it down by its own volition. How would you like your business smeared?
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@rayfish007 The issue is, can you chase an individual who is bearing a deadly weapon on the good faith belief that he constitutes a mortal danger to others, and claim self defense/defense of others? (Hmm. Waddya think?) I'm not coming back to this issue again, so let me just tell you once: the REAL issue in this thread is the persistent insinuation, or outright contention, that the people Rittenhouse killed "had it coming." THAT is what I object to. Self-defense is a concept neutral to identity politics. Got that?
As far as the legal process is concerned, (1) I do not support laws that AUTOMATICALLY treat juveniles as adults, such as invoked against Rittenhouse in this case; and (2) I will be perfectly willing to accept a Not Guilty verdict (on the homicide-related charges, not the gun charge) if it is the result of a scrupulously fair process. I also wonder whether various militias are preparing to intimidate the court, and trying to sway potential jurors already -- if not with political persuasion, then with something more "physical." I'll be paying attention. Because that's what it already looks like to me.
You need to care more about your country. I'm being serious. No other country has had the mass shootings, even by kids, that this one has. You need to think about why that is, and not worry so much about defending Rittenhouse. He was not supposed to have a gun.
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@jamesandayladodge4815 I don't support some of the laws he was charged under, which mandate that minors be charged as adults in all such cases. I disagreed with that from Day One, and even inane comments "in support" of Rittenhouse that I see proliferating will not sway me.
Jimmy Dore brings opposing viewpoints to his show. I respect his choice of guests here, and when he invited a "Boogaloo Boy" or however you spell it.
Rittenhouse wasn't hunting, nor was he properly supervised by an adult parent, guardian, or adult acting in loco parentis, nor are the adults around him doing him any favors now. Instead of arguing that he had a right to have an AR 15 (!!), maybe you should open your eyes and see what a disordered KID this is, and how the adults in this picture have deliberately led him astray, and continue to lead him astray, when it's his entire future that's on the line.
What I've said implies zero approval of any riot. Zero. If you can't see that, you have the vision problem.
YOU have "politicized" this incident. Of COURSE you accuse others of doing precisely what you are doing. Every time.
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@init100 It is known that Biden held back witnesses who were literally, physically present waiting to corroborate Anita Hill's testimony, and he denied them entry. But if he said "high-tech lynching," and, as we all know, words are Magic now, they create reality, then that settles it. What are actual bodies next to Words?
In any case, there is no such suggestion. You are taking a metaphor for a literal description of who did what to whom. That's . . . I want to say bizarre, but in 2023, I feel like I'd be going out on a limb.
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Fugeeface Entropy I don't mean that if someone is obsessing over Facebook, then they are right wing, or tend toward that view. I mean the people who I know, in the real world and independently of any social media presence, to be right wing, are all on Facebook incessantly. I was suspicious from Day 1, never joined. My way of life has slipped away to such an extent that my family in the US died out and I have to emigrate. I'm not complaining. I might as well say, "I get to emigrate," instead of saying I have to. AOC is not "left wing." AOC and Trump are just two varieties of comic-book media freak. The Hulk needs a nemesis for the story to play. That's all.
One day the dollar will not be the global reserve currency. Perhaps not in our lifetime, perhaps in 20 years, or 50 years. Or twelve. Then you'll see what mass suffering is.
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@justinshin2279 All right. Let's presume that all the medical and scientific community who advocate mass vaccination have the best motives. This does not mean that the consensus is correct. You don't perceive the intense pressure to conform? I've never seen anything like it in the realm of science or medicine. Succumbing to pressure is the most human thing to do, but you can't call it noble. The people who do it don't believe they are doing it. And we have policy decisions to make which must be open to discussion.
The way the actual news is trickling in is not painting a good picture. A fully vaccinated person with a breakthrough infection may be less likely to be a super spreader, but that is not clear. Not anymore. The Guardian just reported that teen boys have a higher risk of hospitalization for myocarditis from the mRNA vaccines than they do from a COVID infection. The Swiss ministry of health considers a person fully vaccinated if they had a proven COVID infection and then received ONE shot of an mRNA vaccine. India did use ivermectin as a prophylactic in certain areas, and the WHO strongly criticized that decision. (I have not found clearly credible reports on the result of that choice, and I remember thinking at first that it was a rumor. That is pathetic.) Do you see consistency here? Or good reasons to question what we are being ordered to do?
This is a new virus, and a relatively new technology that has never been pressed into mass use before. That usually means proceed with caution, and justify your steps. Persuade people, rather than bully them. Why doesn't it this time?
I had a bad impression of Malone simply because he agreed to appear on Bret Weinstein's show, and Weinstein opposes vaccination. Well, Jimmy and Stef WERE vaccinated, and Malone had COVID and does believe that certain groups should be vaccinated. I don't think that everything Malone says in this segment is true, but I don't find him to be generally lacking in credibility or doing any kind of disservice. We NEED to reason this through. The top-down diktat is causing chaos.
We're now in a world where Russell Brand is making more sense than most people. Good gawd.
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@debutts7723 Oh please. You had a point, possibly, until you said "Tim Pool." Well, thanks for letting us know what you think. Or not.
At any rate, it's obvious you don't follow Dore, which is certainly your prerogative, and I know he is not to everyone's taste -- understandably not. But if you don't follow Dore, then you do not know where he fits in the left wing landscape, or why a Cornel West, Richard Wolff, Chris Hedges, Max Blumenthal, Briahna Joy Gray, Matt Stoller, etc., etc., will come on his show, and will defend him to a large extent, even when they disapprove of certain tactics he uses. You don't know he was a bricklayer, you don't know he was the youngest of 12 children and grew up without a bookshelf in the house, you don't know he had to declare medical bankruptcy due to a rare disease and was so despondent over it that he was suicidal, etc., etc.
"Tim Pool." Oh brother! This is why people on the real left will not let you smear him. Clear now?
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@debutts7723 There has been no "Dore about-face." As fo "these guys," Hedges and Wolff, they are both rich -- as in, independently wealthy. They have absolutely no need to appear on Dore. The suggestion that they might is preposterous. It's a risk for them, if anything! As for the rest, you've distorted what I've said. Of course. Have it your way. As a matter of fact, the neolibs almost did lose the election to Trump, as anyone who is objective must see. If they took the Trump threat seriously, why did they run Biden/Harris? Why didn't they start in November 2016 to plan for 2020, to run a truly popular candidate? This election should have been a landslide for Democrats, not one where they barely won the White House from that menace, and lost seats in the House. (BTW, every more progressive Democrat won, and it was two progressives who handed over the Senate to Democrats, FINALLY. The DNC types barely hung on.) Anyway, keep it up. Who cares?
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@debutts7723 Nice how you pretended I didn't say this -- early on, in fact:
"At any rate, it's obvious you don't follow Dore, which is certainly your prerogative, and I know he is not to everyone's taste -- understandably not. But if you don't follow Dore, then you do not know where he fits in the left wing landscape, or why a Cornel West, Richard Wolff, Chris Hedges, Max Blumenthal, Briahna Joy Gray, Matt Stoller, etc., etc., will come on his show, and will defend him to a large extent, even when they disapprove of certain tactics he uses. You don't know he was a bricklayer, you don't know he was the youngest of 12 children and grew up without a bookshelf in the house, you don't know he had to declare medical bankruptcy due to a rare disease and was so despondent over it that he was suicidal, etc., etc."
If you don't like Trump, don't imitate his lack of candor. BTW, do you think Dr. West needs to be on Dore? LOL . . . I mean, how farfetched can you get?
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@karagi101 Yes, such as inflation (undercounted), unemployment (undercounted), labor force participation rate (a pretty honest number, relatively), consumer debt (also very solid), budgetary deficit (same), national debt (same). Then there is the debt-to-GDP ratio, a subject of endless, rollicking good debate and general amusement. Now don't get me started about the current zero reserve requirement, or derivatives and swaps.
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No one can decide but you. There is a sweet guy in Canada named Dr. Moran who always links to the actual journal article with the data. He is pro-vax but first of all pro-truth, and pro-civil liberties. Lex Fridman interviewed Vincent Racaniello, a real virologist from Columbia University, who is also pro-vax but not insane. Lex made it a point to underline that each of us should have the right to decide for ourselves. They also discussed ivermectin rationally.
The honest doctors are admitting there is a lot they do not know. I was just watching news from France, where the government has gone full authoritarian with the public, massive mandates, firing people, etc., and there are demonstrations every week. The guest on the show said that across the border in Spain, there is less coercion, more public admission when the truth of the matter is still unknown -- and more vaccination as a result. I am not shocked. No sane person is.
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@PearComputingDevices I speak three languages fluently, watch news in all of them, read regularly in two, and have some knowledge of two others, lived in Europe for over five years, my late father and my mother's only brother were both WWII British Army veterans, always had friends and family in Canada and Australia (uncle wisely opted for the latter), etc., etc., etc., etc.
Where do you get YOUR notions?
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@patrick6213 Nonsense that the Second Amendment is "crystal clear." What does the "well-regulated militia" clause mean? (Does it mean the Uvalde shooter had a constitutional right to buy an AR-15 on his 18th birthday? Really?) What do you make of the fact that the "arms" it mentions are technologically nothing like the arms of today, and modern bullets didn't exist in the 18th century at all?
An embryo is alive and belongs to our species, as is a zygote, as is human sperm, as are human ova, and life exists as an unbroken chain. None of these facts has anything to do with personhood. A woman may mourn getting her period after trying and failing to conceive for months on end. So may a man mourn along with her.
I don't care at all about Democrats, nor do the Democrats care about women. We had a right that we lost. After all the rights we have seen curtailed in this century, especially since COVID, I submit that this was not a good time to lose one more. I don't know what was wrong with "CHOOSE Life." I support both the "choose" and the "life." Persuade women not to choose abortion. Then step back and don't criminalize their decision. They're the ones who have to be pregnant, and I hope you don't propose to police pregnancies as well --- or shut down fertility clinics. (You do know they eventually discard embryos, don't you?)
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@miller-joel "Leffler et al. (29) used a multiple regression approach, including a range of policy interventions and country and population characteristics, to infer the relationship between mask use and SARS-CoV-2 transmission. They found that transmission was 7.5 times higher in countries that did not have a mask mandate or universal mask use, a result similar to that found in an analogous study of fewer countries (30). Another study looked at the difference between US states with mask mandates and those without, and found that the daily growth rate was 2.0 percentage points lower in states with mask mandates, estimating that the mandates had prevented 230,000 to 450,000 COVID-19 cases by May 22, 2020 (31)." Not hard to locate and verify these studies. Oh, it takes some WORK, true. But if your ideal is to become rich from, say, Bitcoin, then I understand your reluctance. No problem.
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@grantmcphee5149 No, I'm talking about the fact that it pretty well ended with the defeat of Operation Barbarossa!
On a more serious note, Alfred Binet invented the first IQ test for one purpose only, to identify children who might have trouble with the academic program of modern universal education, and to find ways to help them succeed in school. It was never intended for any other purpose, least of all to rank groups by their intelligence. When I was in school there, aptitude testing of any kind for university admission, or advancement in school at any stage, was illegal. Only achievement testing counted, because it was objective. If you think they were touchy-feely, well, at the time, the very highest grade was "very good," and was rarely given. Your prof is excellent, or should be. Einstein and Plato were outstanding. Failing the baccalaureate on the first try was common. A perfect score on the philosophy essay, traditionally the first test, made national news, and the student would be interviewed everywhere.
Took an American test there, the old three-part GRE, no prep class, horrible testing conditions, a lousy day for me, physically unwell, several dumb mistakes -- and got a Triple Nine Society-worthy score.
It's the environment, honey. Believe it.
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@RobinMarks1313 Well, when one of these vaccines receives full approval, I'll be taking a close look again. It is not necessarily irrational for a person to refuse to sign the EUA release papers, depending on their own risk factors and medical history. I'm going to try to tune out the noise. The way this pandemic has been handled by the political "leaders" in this country has been a disgrace and a crime. I do not want to be influenced by them in any direction concerning my health care. It seems to me that people with diabetes, or suffering from obesity, and men over 50 and women over 60 have mostly had good reasons to get vaccinated. The rest of us? Hmmm . . . That depends.
Even Dr. Eric Topol, probably the most pro-vaccination person I've heard speaking out, has called what we're doing overly "vaccine-centric." Um, YEAH. I found out from watching one of his interviews that Germany and Netherlands can get at-home COVID test kits for free, and routinely test themselves. Wow, just wow.
Anyway, it is too easy to be revolted, and decide once and for all not to get vaccinated. That is letting Fauci et al. have far too much influence over your life. Tune. Them. Out.
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@RobinMarks1313 I don't disbelieve you. At the start of this spring, I was regularly reading European sources on the vaccine, and looking carefully at what they were doing. I can say it has been interesting. France got too politicized, so speaking French ceased to help much. I looked to countries with the highest vaccination rates and at countries with longer life expectancy and better infant mortality and childhood health statistics than the US. For example, Israel told the truth about the myocarditis and endocarditis risk when the CDC was still talking about the correlation likely being a mere fluke. So, now I check Haaretz. UK was allowing longer gaps between the first and second Astra-Zeneca vaccines than originally recommended, with no apparent downside. Some people believe this has increased their effectiveness. Switzerland's health ministry stated that anyone who had had a proven case of COVID (specifying how it needs to have been proven) was fully vaccinated after ONE dose of an mRNA vaccine, and in its seven reasons why everyone eligible should get vaccinated, they omit any mention of stopping new variants from arising, because that is too conjectural to impose on its citizens.
Different picture, huh? As for our "breakthrough" infection rate, at what point is it a breakthrough, as opposed to a failed vaccine? Anyway, I am keeping an open mind, and remaining optimistic about having a good vaccine. I don't know that we do yet. Yet if I were 70 years old and obese, I promise you I would have been first in line.
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@Rick Vis I'm talking about very recent studies, and those mostly show no difference based on fat content. I know that was once believed to be the issue, but it generally is not found to be. There's even research showing kids benefit from the fat profile of milk from grass-fed cows as opposed to grain-fed, and recommended not limiting it beyond what's just reasonable. One example in adults is a very large breast cancer study. (I hated to say it, what a hot-button topic!) The results were significant. In fact, one hypothesis was that women who drink other vaious "milks" such as soy or almond, have lower rates exactly because they substituted soy, etc., for dairy milk.
Bottom line, the dairy industry, the beef industry, etc., have all propagandized us. I still remember when my family was duped into substituting CORN oil for olive oil. How pathetic. So, we fell for something, too. I can hardly believe it. At least we got rid of iceburg lettuce and had real salads as soon as they showed up in stores.
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@KevinUchihaOG It is based on the Precautionary Principle, which is a way of allocating burdens of proof based on the Hippocratic oath, "first do no harm." Before the WHO was Gates-dominated (as for currently, I don't know), it said that each GMO in food must be evaluated for safety case-by-case; if you understand the technology, you know why, and it does not take much work to find out. You cannot generalize and claim they are all fine. The PP puts the burden where it belongs -- you do not presume safety and try to disprove it. You presume absence of safety and try to disprove that, just as in medicines. But apart from safety, there may be risks of creating monocultures in certain foodstuffs, and thus a need for more technology to "fix" that as a result. There is also the fact that its major innovation, golden rice, has turned up in some studies to be of no appreciable benefit at all. Turns out kids need carrots or sweet potatoes or red cabbage or spinach.
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There is also something else going on here. According to Reuters, over 17,500 American kids got puberty blockers from 2017 through 2021, AND the numbers were surging every year -- roughly a third of those 17+ thousand got them in 2021 alone. Who ever heard of this, in these numbers, just 15 years ago, nevermind before the past few years?
Where is the basic, scientific curiosity about this? Some people blame "the leftists," or "the schools," or "pharma," or " social contagion." Anything, just to grasp some "narrative" or other as quickly as possible. It seems to me that this is some sort of a mental illness, it is extremely serious, and we need real answers, not another culture war. (Culture wars are money grabs, mostly.)
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There is also something else going on here. According to Reuters, over 17,500 American kids got puberty blockers from 2017 through 2021, AND the numbers were surging every year -- roughly a third of those 17+ thousand got them in 2021 alone. Who ever heard of this, in these numbers, just 15 years ago, nevermind before 2020?
Where is the basic, scientific curiosity about this? Some people blame "the leftists," or "the schools," or "pharma," or "social contagion." Anything, just to grasp some "narrative" or other as quickly as possible. It seems to me that this is extremely serious, and we need real answers, not another culture war.
EDIT: Let's see if this is permitted.
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@taragnor He likes Greenwald, Hedges, Blumenthal, Jackson, Gray, Halper, Taibbi, Wolff, of course Dr. West, among others . . . . And I'm not interested in your sloganeering ("pixie dust," BLAH BLAH). To advocate for change as AOC has, and then do absolutely nothing except tend her own brand, is vastly more demoralizing than saying nothing. AOC's message ("subtext") is that ordinary things like health care, which every other developed country has, is far beyond our reach even during a pandemic and recession. (We're on track for over 500,000 dead by March, by the way.) How shameful.
AOC is the one who is all talk and no action. You seem to lack self awareness. Say, are you a politician?
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@rgzhaffie Oh yeah? I thought most of them were losers. Meth in their past, etc. So, if someone has a small business and they show up at a state capitol building with big, assault-style weapons, and the pictures are broadcast everywhere, who is going to patronize that small business? Plumber, electrician, remodeling contractor, roofer . . . You'd let that guy into your house after seeing him? Or you'd rent from him -- rent anything, least of all your dwelling? Let's think this through.
Not to mention that there is no reason to demonize small business. Not everyone can stand working for Jeff Bezos. To order the shutdowns without emergency UBI in place was one of the most spectacularly immoral things this government ever did. A year ago I would have doubted it could happen. FYI, in other countries, notably France, it is the hard left that is demanding an open discussion concerning shutdowns, vaccine reluctance, etc., and an exploration of alternative measures -- notably J-L Melenchon, whose FI movement includes Marxists and PCF members.
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@Wikimedian When have unfair sanctions done anything but steel resolve? We've repeatedly tried to force a coup in Venezuela, and tried to assassinate Castro in Cuba, all to no avail. Of course, in a society more like our own, with massive inequality, a handful of oligarchs who answer to no one, and mutual hatred among identitarian groups, like Putin's Russia, I suppose it stands a chance of working. We've always imposed sanctions on more collectivists peoples, with strong non-European roots, as if that could possibly motivate them to flip governments that weren't already on their last legs. But could it work on Russians? Hm. Maybe.
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@123lowp Actually, your plan to go out on your own is a bigger incentive to your employer to give you a raise, if he wants to keep you in particular, than any skill you could demonstrate. In certain corporations, people get pushed out rather than promoted for being more skilled than their bosses. (Classic scenario in successful employment discrimination/wrongful discharge cases, though they also have to show discriminatory animus, etc., to win. Without that, or without an enforceable contract, etc., it's "just the way it goes.")
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@Asgard2208 I'M conflating? You conflate the NAZIS with "socialists" based on branding, which is as flimsy as it gets. I'm not surprised that people who are unfamiliar with 20th century history might do that, or who have been fed talking points by Fox News, but to see you do it was frankly a surprise.
As for Jimmy's point, Nadine Strossen's recent book on hate speech makes essentially the same point: these speech codes, which on their face come across as feel-good nicey nicey progressive, end up being used by the right to silence the left, in the modern developed democracies. She is about as extreme a First Amendment absolutist as I have ever seen, and I do not agree with her completely, but I respect her the most. Anyone who wants to propose the smallest restrictions on freedom of speech really must read her book and meet her arguments first. Also, after reading her, I can better pinpoint where I would argue for stronger protections: that would be in workplace, the hostile environment standard. (Not in the free press, that is for sure!)
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@Aqua Fyre He was a Member of Parliament. He was the leader of the Labour Party, a position he won, for five years. The Blairites looked to sabotage him from the very beginning because of the threat they thought he represented to their holding on to their ill-gotten lucre -- and Corbyn was to blame for attempting appeasement. As soon as his supporters suspected he would be nothing more than a milquetoast, feckless, diluted version of Blair, with possibly a little tinkering around the edges, but only if the banks gave permission, of course they fled. Who wouldn't?
For all his many and obvious flaws, and his quite checkered past, a George Galloway would never stoop to that. He knows how to open his mouth.
I'm not British, though I should be. My father and my mother's only brother were veterans of the British Army, WWII, and I cared for my father as the ravages of that war resurfaced during his old age. You're welcome.
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@ricksimon9867 There are dozens of countries across Europe that HAVEN'T implemented the same policies as the US. If I post about, I risk censorship. I suggest you look up the ministries of health of Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, etc., and in addition see what India is doing, for example. If you do some real research, you may be very surprised.
As for what France, Italy, etc., are doing, well, they are provoking mass demonstrations with their policies. The European left is resoundingly anti-mandate and anti-passport. No exceptions.
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@ricksimon9867 No discussion whatsoever. People "taking sides," becoming hysterical, issuing mandates, being censored for no reason, yes.
Discussion, which is, by implication, rational, no.
Funny, I never heard of anyone getting a breakthrough case of mumps or measles or polio, unless they were significantly immunocompromised.
Posted a quote, NBC news affiliate, one sentence long, with quotation marks, stating that over 100 fully vaccinated people had died of breakthrough COVID as of July 31 in Massachusetts alone. Seems to be missing now.
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@januarysson5633 I gave my opinion, based on what I know. No need to get tied up in knots over it. The person I responded to, who is not you, made me worry because of his candor, for good reason. In the US, people who are this candid routinely get harassed. If the UK is much more cordial, it would come as no surprise, and I'm glad.
P. S. As an attorney, I've represented pediatric cancer patients whose rights were violated. Of course, I donated my time. Litmus test: if you respond kindly, I'll know you're in Europe. If you don't respond, or double down on rudeness, I'll know you're . . . not in Europe. LOL
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Um, WHY would you agree with the underlying right-wing premise, and identify "antifa" with Black Lives Matter? There are myriad reasons to question that identification, and to question the assumption that "antifa" and BLM are always allies. "Antifa" is highly amorphous, and vulnerable to infiltration. See Chris Hedges on that point.
There is no reason to assume BLM would engage in apologetics for the particular acts of vandalism shown in the video presented in The Intercept article. That is assuming what Laura Ingraham always does, with no evidence, of course. (She routinely lies.)
IF you yourself were covering these events, and doing the investigative journalism needed to find out who these groups are, then you could speak authoritatively on it, correct? Too bad TI, with all its resources, did not do that.
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@katiek.8808 I never said kids should never fail, or never lose. Credit for participation is not an "excuse." Your children may be fine, but not everyone's are -- and by fine I mean not sedentary or obese. Being in front of a screen and shunning all sports is bad for mental health, for that matter. There are noncompetitive sports. You can give everyone acknowledgement for completing a half-marathon, for example, or some other event that takes real work, just like the C student gets the same high school diploma as the valedictorian. Same diploma, different transcript. That's fair.
I was just thinking, I cannot imagine having this conversation in a different language. I've known real hardship. My parents met in a refugee camp, etc. No further comment. There's something bizarre to me about this whole discussion. If you need to invent things for kids to fail at, to teach them what that is, well . . . Good for you.
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@varsityathlete9927 Have it your way. I have some experience in this, more than I would have liked to have had, and I did give a specific example in Malice's case. Did that get censored, or just overlooked by you?
I guess you misunderstood. I wasn't playing victim, I was saying there are people online who are that weird with their celebrity nonsense that a perfectly appropriate observation can set them off.
When a person presents themselves as an podcaster and public figure, and even a public intellectual, they are inviting critique. I have every right to state my impressions. Why was I attacked personally for it? It doesn't make sense.
You want to shut ordinary people up, and give these clowns the podium? Why? If you are an anarchist, isn't that the opposite of what they preach.
I wish this didn't exist. It certainly does. When I first heard about Gloria Steinem's CIA ties, I was incredulous. Well, it was true. I suggest you do some reading and closer observation. You may remember this some day and realize how naive you were. More and more "impossible" things are true every day.
Finks and The Cultural Cold War -- a word to the wise. Then apply what you've read to the best of your discernment.
I'm doing you a favor. You should thank me.
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@kevinschmidt2210 I certainly did give an example. Neither you nor I know what's shadow banned; it's still visible to me.
Why did you assume I'm a man, by the way? Is there anything you guessed right? High school critical thinking -- oh brother. I have a JD, among other things. You need to brush up on your Latin phrases.
When a person presents themselves as an podcaster and public figure, and even a public intellectual, they are inviting critique. I have every right to state my impressions. Why was I attacked personally for it? It doesn't make sense. Why don't you simply disagree and leave it at that?
You want to shut ordinary people up, and give these clowns the podium? Why? If you are an anarchist, isn't that the opposite of what they preach?
Interesting -- Glenn Greenwald got this mobbing for questioning Lex Fridman, although one aspect of his guest's critique of Lex was misplaced, so there is at least something there to push back against. Looks like anyone associated with Joe Rogan is off limits. Maybe you are just very, very naive. That could be it.
Have you ever stood up for a real friend, in real life, or only for Celebrities here? You need a king to feel secure, maybe? This is too fluid for you?
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@johanstinson I gave a reason as well, concerning his promotion of his latest book, which was utterly phony. Your first full paragraph, on the other hand, has no facts, just your opinion. What reasons for considering him smug, etc., did you just give? Moreover, I invited others to watch him and see for themselves. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I see no reasons, or examples of what you found so smug or condescending.
It was only when I said, "this is just my opinion" that the other guy thought he noticed a weakness, and swooped in, calling me the phony. This is usually how interactions in this society play out. This is a move that works. Ask yourself why it worked on you.
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@kevinschmidt2210 Here, let me help you out on the critical think front: the way you argue the point is not to start screaming, "YOU'RE the phony!!!! Mudslinging!!!!!" It is to say something like, "that is a very serious charge that requires very serious/airtight evidence. Even a kid who stole something resents being accused of stealing unless you can prove it -- and rightly so. You have no proof except your impressions. Why should anyone trust that?"
My answer: Fair enough, I don't have proof. But once you've seen this done in many other contexts, you start to see a pattern. Media is in a bad way right now, and heavily infiltrated, so I am going to say something.
The CIA in particular has a long-standing practice to create "alternative" media as a false flag. I think that's too important not to signal.
They always take over whatever media has cultural prominence, and twist it to their purposes. If you don't believe me, look into it for yourself. That is their practice. It's not new.
At least be vigilant. The alphabet agencies have been overreaching everywhere, but especially where podcasts, YT, and stuff like that is concerned, because it exploded in popularity in short time. Things are not what they seem.
See?
You're welcome.
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I can tell you why I hated him: he was so utterly lazy and narcissistic, and steeped in getting his way by bullying, that he was incapable of remembering at noon what garbage he tweeted the night before. He overtly supported some of the worst groups in this country. He was a meta-liar: it wasn't just a matter of lying; the Clintons surely do that more than he did. Trump believed he was the sole source of truth. If he says it, it's Truth. If he changes his mind in 48 hours, then that is Truth. When he had the Iranian general assassinated, I had the distinct impression he had no idea who the guy was. When he learned of COVID, he sat on the information, and told Bob Woodward about it, fully expecting it not to matter. The sheer avalanche of falsehoods he uttered was impossible to keep a tally of. Hence he got away with it. This was NEW.
Everyone can name ten Hillary lies, ten Biden lies, ten Bill Clinton lies. Trump altered the landscape. He made that impossible.
As for why liberals hate him, probably something to do with money . . .
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@sssarzzz I suggest you keep up on the latest news. The US justified its war in Iraq on the basis of WMDs. We still don't know how many civilians were killed. Well, Victoria Nuland just testified on the Ukrainian biolabs -- which, oddly enough, were funded through the US Department of Defense, not the NIH, as one might expect. See Glenn Greenwald's new posted videos.
Now, TeleSUR (Spanish ed) reports China has demanded that the US provide full information and an accounting of all the biological laboratories it funds throughout the world.
The Indian press and even Agence France Press have been raising questions about the DOD funding of biolabs in Ukraine, without pretending we have real answers, and George Galloway was denounced over the weekend for reporting on this. Wish that he were wrong!
But if you dismissed ample evidence of neo-Nazis being given free rein to kill 14,000 in the Donbass region since 2014, you may close your eyes to this as well. It will be harder, however. It's getting harder all the time.
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@vegahimsa3057 You know perfectly well that in an Anglo-Saxon country, I dare not say how little I made, because I would discredit myself totally. People are judged by that number. I'm not telling you anything you did not already know.
My parents were refugees, FYI, and there's more to the story. I have a clue.
But putting all that aside, how many Americans do you think make close to $7500 a month, hence $90,000 a year? On the two coasts they do, and in a handful of major cities -- but in those places, real estate eats a third of it. This is an immense amount of money. Only about 10% of salaries are this high or higher, though of course a substantial number of households make more, because that includes more sources of income.
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@foop145 How do I feel? If it's about feelings, I feel it is wrong for me to continue to live in this empire, and that I need to take steps to emigrate.
Every point in your little litany has an asterisk. And the promise of $2000, quickly, was repeatedly made by Biden himself, as well as other Dems on the campaign trail and it was not true. Ha! Where's the $1400? And what happens when all the BACK RENT and property taxes come due? This is pathetic.
Nominating Neera Tanden, for ANYTHING, much less OMB, shows a lack of commitment to Social Security and Medicare, by a candidate (i.e., Biden) who has repeatedly said they should go on the chopping block. Sorry if you don't get the message yet.
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@cedricrust9953 You are unfamiliar with Stonor Saunders and The Church Commission, or the book "Finks," I'm guessing? Wild guess.
People who have documented FBI, CIA, MI6, etc., infiltration have had a huge uphill battle, because the truth is hidden, and hidden by layers of legal protection. So, all of these reports have been amply supported. They are the opposite of conspiracy theories. They are better established than the results of most investigative journalism, because they have to be.
But if you don't know, "it can't be true."
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I would love to have had the opportunity. The early 80s in France with PCF in the government were the best years I've ever seen.
As someone who loves literature, piano, ballet, and mathematics, and hates racism, fast food, drug abuse, school shootings, and video games, and is mostly indifferent to creature comforts, it's not evident to me where I would have had it better. Especially now that our single greatest achievement, the First Amendment, has been eviscerated.
The US dropped two atom bombs. Arkhipov and Petrov, in two separate incidents, stopped a nuclear exchange. Yeah, I'd like to have known more for real. Not evident to me.
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@davidforbes2557 I have watched Dr. Campbell, as well as Dr. Moran. But I prefer actual peer-reviewed journals (BMJ, NEJM, Lancet, etc.), and ministries of health in other countries like Norway, Sweden, Switzerland. You should try it.
I, like the PCF, oppose vaccine mandates. I don't suppose you could follow PCF videos, or La France Insoumise. They are not in English.
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@BertoxolusThePuzzled Microeconomics over the short term is often a simple summation of zero-sum games -- and, as my late mom used to say, "alas, we must eat every day."
So, for example, a health insurer may eventually approve an expensive treatment, but the approval may come too late. People in the next generation may have no problem with access to that treatment, but the person whose request was not approved when he needed it will be long gone.
Another example: you graduate into a recession and remain unemployed for nine months. When business improves, a new graduate whose credentials are no better than yours will fill the next opening in your field, and you could end up in a job you never wanted, and paid less than you need to live on your own. "Oh well."
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