Comments by "L.W. Paradis" (@l.w.paradis2108) on "CDC weighs in on rare heart inflammation following COVID-19 vaccine l GMA" video.

The burden should be on anyone wanting to give a non-FDA approved vaccine to a minor to come up with solid data to show that it is safe, effective, and necessary.
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@Jacob King Compared to no heart condition is it mild, when that was the case prior to vaccination?
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@peeks7165 Then why do minors have to be vaccinated to protect older people? That was your point.
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@peeks7165 "LOL"
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@peeks7165 I was responding directly to your comment. If the old are all vaccinated, why should young people be vaccinated to protect older people? Older people are protected already. There may be very good reasons for the young to be vaccinated, but you didn't present one.
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@TheMroldtimer And they should get vaccinated to save themselves (why? they're "uneducated troglogytes"), or to save you? (Because they should love you very much.)
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@Jacob King The only valid comparison is to the risk of contracting COVID and developing the same or worse complications. I've had mild heart conditions. I could live to 95 with them (my grandmother did), but they were life-altering. But this is America. I don't count. I get that part.
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@TheMroldtimer You know all these people? And they should listen to someone who abuses them? False flag here? Would that be you?
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@TheMroldtimer So, a parent reluctant to vaccinate a minor child with a non-FDA approved vaccine is a "troglodyte" who doesn't care about human life? Even if they themselves were vaccinated, and their kid is up to date on all approved vaccines, and they still use masks indoors? They aren't allowed to wait for more information? Why would that be?
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@BluRey100 Wouldn't it be interesting if one of these ingredients isn't good for some people, and that the myocarditis has nothing to do with the mRNA or "spike" proteins in general? Nothing would surprise me.
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@Mirv063 Yes, the risk of myocarditis and the severity is greater in COVID than from any vaccine. But what is the risk of contracting COVID? Irony that those opposed to taking the vaccine are often opposed to essential precautions like masks.
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@Jason47D BEST question
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@peeks7165 The older person should get vaccinated before minors are.
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@ludastout2852 Well, many flu strains kill children and young people disproportionately. COVID doesn't, thank goodness.
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From the CDC official website: "A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) are less likely to have asymptomatic infection or to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others." So for this purpose (reducing transmission), we need a cost/benefit analysis as well, based on available evidence of probabilities, which is still limited. Not surprising for a new virus and new vaccine. I think an indoor mask mandate should have been maintained, for the most part. Delta variant is said to be spreading, but . . . Well. Let's sit on our hands again.
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@peeks7165 The questions posed here (first two comments) are excellent. Right on point.
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Another question: what will people who had reactions to the vaccine like myocarditis do in the future, when boosters will probably be needed?
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@Jason47D This is important if true. Unless young people get COVID at vastly lower rates, the vaccine is much less of a risk than the disease.
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@TheDescendingChaos How likely is it that someone under 18 will contract COVID and develop myocarditis?
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Difference in reported numbers: https://youtu.be/mR4_-eyt_TI
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@TheMroldtimer Are you okay?
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@TheMroldtimer Why did you call people with legitimate concerns ugly names? Does that encourage trust in vaccination? They will have to hurry up and get vaccinated to prove to you that they are not the "troglodytes" you claim they are, hm? Let's politicize this further. Brilliant idea.
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@openmind2464 Anyone with a history of arrhythmias in their family should think twice before giving any mRNA vaccine to a minor child. I mean come on! Why are we breaking all the rules of prudence for this? Not EUA prior to puberty anyway, and 12-17 authorization for Pfizer is very recent.
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@openmind2464 Plenty of vaccinated people object to the idea of mandating it on kids. I know them personally. Since when do we mandate prior to full approval? Remember when "miracle" antidepressants provoked suicide in teens? I remember.
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@openmind2464 SO cavalier!
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@matthewxd5063 TRUMP was president when the moratorium on US funding of this viral research was lifted. He could have stopped it. Looks like Fauci and Trump played good cop bad cop.
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@jenalatz3589 I agree children do not need this. Teens are recommended to have it, but they are minors. I would not vaccinate a teen at this time.
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@mfam2371 So what is the still huge and insurmountable problem with masks and prudence?
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@hollenfeuer1 I already got this spam from you once, thanks. FDA approval is a rigorous process involving advanced statistical analyses such as multivariate regression. We've only just learned of the remote myocarditis and endocarditis risk. Once the full analysis is completed, the risk could turn out to be smaller than we think, or, if not, we may find that there is an easy way to determine who might get it, and everyone else can rest assured that it won't happen to them as a result of the vaccine. What do you think full approval means? News reports don't substitute for this analysis. Right now, people who know someone who apparently got severe side effects from the vaccine are reluctant to take it, when those side effects could be rare, or related to some other medical condition -- or, they may turn out not to be side effects at all, but coincidental. Or the result of catching a bad cold right after getting vaccinated (my European relatives were told to take extra care not to get sick for 72 hours post vaccine; no one here has been told that, that I know of). In short, everyone I know reluctant to take this vaccine has experienced at least one life-altering medical mistake, has all their other vaccines, and wears a mask. IOW, I don't know the nut cases whose stories we've been regaled with. As for what millions of Americans have taken, that includes a whole lot of stuff that no one should.
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@C_A_I_N_N Let's see how many insurance companies won't PAY for treatment for vaccine-induced myocarditis. Let's see who gets the bill. Then you'll know who is taking an EUA drug at their own risk. Let's see how fast the federal government comes in to compensate them. Will the collection agency jump in first? Reality.
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@C_A_I_N_N Other channels are reporting 1200 cases. Israel made the link first, and said it was not coincidental. It is too soon to have a peer-reviewed study published. Look up Bayesian probability. The real issue is minors. At 18, they can get their own vaccine. Not stopping them.
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@C_A_I_N_N Precautionary Principle. Some people follow it.
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@C_A_I_N_N The same was true of antidepressants. Millions got them. They went through a very stringent FDA approval process. Only later were they linked to severe suicidal ideation and actual suicide in those under 30, and especially in teens, and especially in males. I already explained in another post what FDA approval means. They will generate and analyze tons and tons of data before full approval. We will know a LOT more then. Most of what you hear now, pro and of course con, is very preliminary. A lot of the "con" is nonsense. That is true, but that fact by itself fails to make the pro case.
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@hollenfeuer1 You're assuming what the FDA still has to investigate prior to full approval. You are likely to be right. You cannot, however, claim to know at this point. I had one other thought -- about the accidental lab leak hypothesis. Suppose that was ultimately found to be what happened? For some reason, some people apparently think that makes the vaccine more dubious. It strikes me that a vaccine may be all the more necessary if this virus was manipulated in some manner and released by accident. Keeping it real. :/
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@luisgutierrez8047 Can a young person take precautions against contracting COVID, and are they willing to? Then their risk of contracting COVID and developing significant myocarditis or other serious issues from it may be much lower than their risk of complications from the vaccine. You have got to look at that -- it's not FDA approved, and it's being given to minors. They have their whole lives ahead of them.
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@FierceZs1 The zero bad effects is totally wrong. But the different cost/benefit analysis for people under 25, and especially under 18, is true.
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@luisgutierrez8047 That makes sense. We still have to take a hard look where kids are concerned. Also, you cannot ask minors to get the vaccine to protect an older teacher who is opposed to vaccines but has no health conditions that make them more risky for him or her. But I think you're right to look at vaccines that way. If I were at home with a child, I would take the vaccine schedule more slowly than usual. If the child were to start preschool, then they need the vaccines before they go. Stands to reason.
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My state university is requiring vaccination for admission. Is it right for public universities to require vaccination with a drug not yet FDA approved? Another report said there were 1200 myocarditis cases. I had thought all resolved with treatment. Seems that is not quite true either. At this point, being heavy-handed will hurt the vaccination drive.
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Other networks are reporting far more heart side effects: https://youtu.be/mR4_-eyt_TI
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