Comments by "L.W. Paradis" (@l.w.paradis2108) on "Is Gabby Petito / Brian Laundrie case an example of “Missing White Woman Syndrome?"" video.

@karenvickery6070 Because exercising your right to remain silent and your right not to voluntarily subject yourself to police interrogation is not a grounds for arrest. It's not a crime. Being one of the last people to see a missing person is not a crime. What I don't see is why possession of her van was not treated seriously. At best, she was left without her transportantion and her dwelling, far from home in an inherently dangerous area without nearby shelter. Why isn't THAT a crime? Why do you focus on urging police to violate people's rights? You don't see enough of that around?
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@karenvickery6070 EXACTLY. He can refuse to speak. They had no WARRANT to arrest him. A person doesn't need a lawyer to say to the police, I'm not coming in for questioning, I am asserting my right to remain silent. If the police made you think otherwise, guess who misled you? If the police show up at your house, and you refuse to come in for questioning, what happens next, do you think? They grab you and make you talk? The law does not prevent law enforcement from establishing a surveillance perimeter outside his residence, or anyone's, as already explained. They do it all the time.
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@karenvickery6070 If you're an American, how is it that you don't know the Bill of Rights? The police cannot make anyone talk. The police can't make Ted Bundy talk. You don't need to pay a lawyer to tell them that for you.
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@doomguy510 Why are you gaslighting Elizabeth? Not one word she said was emotionally based, much less unreasonable, much less irrational. You comments, of course, tell us about . . . You.
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@SaraLuna1993 Women MUST be trained in how to talk to police. In that police cam video, Gabby affirmatively took the blame. This is what nearly everyone does. I would have, at her age, and even much older. You have to be taught that you should not confess to police or acknowledge culpability to police. Police always believe such admissions, and stop focussing on the bigger picture. Gabby was just sweet and naive. But how much did police have to go on?
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@SaraLuna1993 I wish someone had sat her down and told her, you have parents who love you. GO HOME NOW.
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@kinglinus3708 EVERYONE has Fifth Amendment rights. Ted Bundy, John Gacy, the Boston Marathon bomber.
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@karenvickery6070 You simply do not understand the law. Don't let this case dupe you.
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I wish Gabby had been taught not to make statements that could be construed as inculpatory to the police. She might still be with us.
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@faulltw Oh yeah? That's what police always try to tell attorneys. No one owes you a confession, ever. They can remain silent and wait to see what the prosecutor (an attorney) proposes. The one thing they cannot do and must not do is lie to you, which is all the more reason to remain silent. That way nothing they say can be construed as false or misleading. Who trained you? Take some night classes,
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@karenvickery6070 A criminal is someone who has been duly convicted. Once convicted, a criminal loses a whole host of rights. The fact that you seem to think you know who is and is not a criminal before it has been proven in court, and that you are not alone, is all the more reason to insist on following the Bill of Rights and the Fourteenth Amendment. If we didn't have so many innocent people in prison (while the actual perpetrator is free, and no one is looking for him), there might be less of a reason to worry about civil rights. Alas . . . In my state, two women were murdered by an actual perpetrator while two innocent men sat on death row for his crime. That doesn't worry you? It worries me. A lot. We don't solve enough murders.
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@karenvickery6070 No law stopped police from arresting him for theft of Gabby's van, and no law stopped police from instituting surveillance of his home. None whatsoever. Exclamation point!!!!
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@karenvickery6070 They could try. He could decline. That is correct. We don't force people to submit to interrogation. Fifth Amendment. Why no arrest for taking the van? Why no surveillance? What's the big deal about questioning him? He could say "I don't know/remember" to every question of substance. What's so magical about questioning? Or do you endorse deprivation of water, sleep; application of a little torture here and there, too?
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@Chaoitcme Having the van for several days in his possession, without its owner. It was also the owner's home. If that isn't sufficient, I think it should be. This turns on probable cause/reasonable suspicion. There IS reasonable suspicion. Fine lines. Certainly reasonable suspicion is reason enough to set up surveillance at his residence. Easily enough. The federal indictment did come much later, true.
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@Chaoitcme Police have PLENTY of authority to investigate, in ways that don't trash constitutional rights. How do you think they build a case for an arrest?
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@Chaoitcme They had reasonable suspicion to set up surveillance at his residence, from a public street. Surveillance doesn't involve encroaching on private property or privacy rights, because it is done from a place open to the public. That option existed. You may or may not like it . . . He had possession of Petito's property -- and not just any property, but arguably property that was essential to her personal safety -- under suspicious circumstances. That is enough for surveillance. I'm sorry this is a problem for you. It would have been nice had there been no evidence of crime emerging later, when her remains were found.
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@Chaoitcme Look up grand larceny. Look up reasonable suspicion. Don't rely on cop shows or YouTubers.
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@karenvickery6070 The police can attempt to question anyone. That person cannot be coerced into answering. If that person is not under arrest, then they are free to go. If police have no warrant, they can be refused entry into a house, and can be invited to go back out after they've been invited in. If they obtain any evidence during this time (the person misspeaks, there is something suspicious looking in their house, etc.), then police can get a warrant. Arrest warrant, search warrant. You've just never seen anyone assert their rights before, or you're used to seeing them violated against POC.
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@KrystalessR Your question at the end is great. What IS going on? I support the presumption of innocence; a person who has not been charged or convicted of a crime is presumed innocent. We don't know yet who was responsible for Gabby's death. But you already see people trying to find some way to blame her. WHY? If there is insufficient evidence at present to blame Brian for a homicide, how could there possibly be any reason at all to blame the homicide victim? It's senseless. Worse than senseless. Another part I'm having trouble with is that I've heard the white van Brian drove back to Florida being described as belonging only to Gabby. Why couldn't Brian have been detained on suspicion of auto theft, which apparently also left the rightful owner at an unfamiliar campgrounds at risk of danger? That isn't borrowing a car. This has never been explained.
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@quantumfineartsandfossils2152 Yes, agreed!
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In police encounters involving domestic abuse, teach your daughters to say, "I feel unsafe." First, get safe. Right or wrong can be sorted out later.
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@doomguy510 You (regardless of gender) DO NOT make confessions to the police. Brian Laundrie certainly knew how to assert his right to remain silent. Didn't he?
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@doomguy510 Exactly, she was sincere, naive, and without a trace of guile. Since when do you tell armed officers that you have OCD, that you slapped someone (which neither the officers, nor the 911 CALLER, witnessed), and so forth? That is naive. Consult any lessons you like, produced by attorneys, including some who have been police prior to taking up a legal career, on what to do during a police encounter.
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@doomguy510 My advice is not gendered at all.
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@doomguy510 You suggested Elizabeth take her medication, or some such, when you are blowing a fuse. DARVO
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@doomguy510 "Women are strong and don't need no man yadda yadda." Who said that? I didn't. If you keep hearing voices and cannot determine their source, please consult a physician. Doctors, like police officers, can be men or women. You're aware of this, correct?
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@doomguy510 Exactly. They are more likely to be docile and apologetic when confronted with authority figures. Watch the police cam, compare Gabby and Brian.
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@doomguy510 I read what you wrote in response to Elizabeth. I read words. I have no idea whether you are people.
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@SaraLuna1993 I know that. That's why I defend her. My advice still stands. Brian was cagey in his interactions with law enforcement, Gabby was completely without guile. But if you affirmatively take the "blame," you WILL have a problem. The police are less likely to do what needs to be done to keep you safe. They separated the couple for the night. That's what usually happens. They didn't have enough to go on to take him into custody, or to take her in for questioning by an officer trained in social work.
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@SaraLuna1993 After she took the blame, and police observed marks on him but not on her, they may have jumped to the conclusion that the witness who called was mistaken. This is why you must be trained to say to police, "I feel unsafe." No admissions, no long, drawn out explanations, no stories where you are sure to leave out details because you are upset. "I feel unsafe." Then you will get help.
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@doomguy510 Let me see if I understand: There are cases of domestic violence -- many, in fact -- in which women abuse and injure men, or their own children. Therefore, Gabby isn't dead. Most important of all, fail to see Gabby as an individual. See her as a symbol of something you don't like. BTW, was that Gabby's van? So, . . . how does the Boy get to keep the Girl's car? (Um, stereotyping, maybe?)
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@doomguy510 What facts? That Gabby isn't a homicide victim?
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@renaehenderson9625 In the meantime, women should not cover up for them. "I feel unsafe." Everything else can be sorted out later.
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@doomguy510 So she wasn't missing? She wasn't the owner of the van Laundrie drove home? At the very least, she wasn't left without her transportantion and living quarters far from home in an unfamiliar area? All before we find out, surprise, she was killed? In the US, a spouse is legally next of kin and can make medical decisions for an incapacitated person. You should never have that role for anyone.
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@renaehenderson9625 FIRST GET YOURSELF SAFE. And NEVER confess wrongdoing to a police officer. When necessary, you make your well-thought-out admissions in a court, under oath, with legal counsel present. We don't need new funding or lengthy therapy to get this message out. We just need a little more common sense than you see in America these days.
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@renaehenderson9625 What are the chances that either Brian Laundrie's parents, or teachers, or both, conveyed that lesson to him, more than once? Note that he is in his early twenties. The chances are essentially 100%. But anyway, I give up. There is a reason why this keeps happening, and I know I'M not part of the problem.
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@renaehenderson9625 Suppose one of them rejected the lesson, and you find yourself through no fault of your own in physical or psychological danger from him. What should you do then? What's the very top priority here?
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@renaehenderson9625 It sounds like they are willing to cover for their son now, and law enforcement took no steps to prevent him from leaving, when the fact that he had the property (the van) of a missing owner was enough to call him in for questioning and to set up surveillance at the house if he declined. You think that means he wasn't taught that abusing anyone can land a person in jail, or that they hinted in advance that they would back him up if he ever abused his girlfriend? Because everyone wants to be infamous and take out a second mortgage to pay lawyers.
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@renaehenderson9625 What I don't understand is why you think I don't agree. Given that we know males have a propensity to behave in this way, and we've been unsuccessful at stopping them up until now (look how many times THIS story repeats itself), the FIRST priority is to get to safety. Always. You have to be alive to be an agent for social change. I think you're just mad that I pointed it out before you did. NEVER make inculpatory statements to police. TELL them you feel unsafe. Get THAT on the police cam.
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I don't understand why being in the possession of a missing person's property (HER van) was insufficient to place him under surveillance. It was.
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@drebk These types of stories make me suspicious -- I begin to think they are being deliberately spun to erode constitutional rights. That's the pattern we see. People do fall for it. In this case, it was naive, gentle Gabby who made statements to police she should have been taught never, ever to make. We have a whole video of it. The only statement anyone should ever make in her position is "I feel unsafe." All the rest can be sorted out later. Any confessions, admissions, etc., if they should ever be made, should only be made in open court, under oath, with counsel present. Nowhere else, ever.
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@faulltw Some of us do know more about the law than you do. Confessions should never be made to law enforcement. They are part of guilty plea colloquies that a defendant states under oath before a court. Everyone has a right to remain silent. OTOH, no one has the right to lie to law enforcement. Never lie to police, absolutely never. Just zip it.
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@drebk This cop doesn't even recognize a correct statement of the law. If anyone proposes any funding reduction, it better not be a reduction for training. More like increase it!
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@karenvickery6070 Daytime television version of "the law."
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@Chaoitcme He had her van, which was also her sole shelter on this trip, with no evidence (call, credit card use at a hotel, etc.) that she had transportation, or any other form of shelter anywhere else, so far from home. I do not understand how something that concrete is not worthy of investigation. How is that just okay? That scares me, not that they didn't try to force him to talk! They aren't supposed to.
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@Chaoitcme So, if you don't report your van -- which is both your vehicle and your dwelling -- as missing, and someone turns up with it under suspicious circumstances, you are okay with this odd situation not being investigated, within the bounds of the law?
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@Chaoitcme All of you are saying the same thing, that "police hands are tied." It's not true.
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@drebk Agree wholeheartedly. Great analysis.
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