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Comments by "L.W. Paradis" (@l.w.paradis2108) on "The Marxist Slide from Liberalism | Naomi Wolf | EP 351" video.

@divisadero8859 "Thank you" for rank falsehoods? Bloom died 15 years after Wolf went public with this, AND Wolf got that doctorate in English literature from Oxford. Failures my fanny. P. S. Er, Jordan Peterson invited her to his program. That should be a hint, at least, that you should look deeper.
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@petegiant Please take a basic logic class. If a woman sexually assaults anyone, man or woman, alcohol is not and cannot be an excuse for her conduct, either. Who said anything different?
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If you want to be a true realist, then consider that a male who is not the birth father of your children can pose a risk to them, and to you, as well. Everyone believes that the man they fell in love with is "decent," and wouldn't have fallen in love had they not believed it. There would be no violence or abuse in the family if that were true.
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@adrianazollo2688 What's worse is that they don't even like sex.
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She is married. Her first husband was a journalist, and they had two children together. Her current husband is an Army veteran and a private security specialist.
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@jimluebke3869 You know what, sweetie? If after watching this video in its entirety and actually listening to what Wolf says, you don't come away with the notion that she probably likes men a LOT, a lot, then . . . maybe you need to up your game? Maybe you'd have better relationships, too? Someone has trained you to be triggered instead of listening, and you don't realize you've stopped listening. Did you miss where she talked about her husband? He's a veteran. Her eyes lit up.
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The central reason I never got raped was because my father had a gun. It was known he would use it. The number of people who have confided in me that they were raped is staggering. Literally every beautiful woman I have ever known has been molested or raped, no exceptions, and often in childhood. If you believe that bad things cannot happen to good people, all I can say to you is remember 9/11.
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What "traditional roles?" When I was born, easily a quarter of the American work force was employed in agriculture. Today, it is less than 2%. I'm wondering what you think is traditional about any role, for any person, today. That women who can stay home with preschool children will stay home has always been the case. The ones who can afford to stay home are, however, afraid that once their children are older and they want to resume their careers, they will never be accepted back in the job market again.
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Well that's funny. She actually went back to school fairly recently and got her doctorate. At Oxford. You know, in England. And speaking of age, in this conversation she and Dr. Peterson discovered they were the same age. Do women, like, pass their prime earlier? (Is that you, Don?) 🤣
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I am her age, and every beautiful woman I have ever known has been raped, starting with my best friend in high school, who was gang raped. I only found out recently that my best friend in college was raped as well. She only told me after her husband and father had both died. My father was an immigrant from southern Europe, he had a gun and it was known in our neighborhood that he would use it, and would go to jail if necessary. This is what kept me safe. I am keeping it real.
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@onegorgeouschick Do children "act like victims?" Did the Olympic gymnasts "act like victims?"
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@brianmeen2158 I see it right here. Be a woman who claims she was sexually assaulted, and that such assaults in her time were committed with impunity, and expose yourself to the kind of despicable psychoanalysis and second-guessing she is being treated to in the comments. Never mind that she married twice and raised two children. Never mind that she was a very successful author. Never mind that she went back to school later in life to fulfill her dream and got her doctorate in Victorian English literature at Oxford, no less. Never mind that her husband is a US Army veteran. Never mind that she resisted the COVID hysteria and the immoral vaccine mandates. None of that matters. Well, the number of women who have confided in me that they were raped is staggering. My father had a gun. I have no doubt that that is what kept me safe in the area where I grew up. I'm not talking suburbs.
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Personally, I do not know one single truly beautiful woman who was not raped. Obviously, the number of beautiful women I know well enough to know something so intimate about them and their lives is small -- but the fact remains, literally every last one was raped.
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Timestamp? I see nothing anxious. Social evolution has changed the nature of marriage. Marriage used to be socially and materially essential to childbearing, and people used to seek a marriage partner in order to raise children. I hope you see that is no longer the case, and has not been for a couple of generations in the US and Western Europe.
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@benjaminz2523 Naomi Wolf clearly likes men a LOT. Open your eyes. If you aren't reading these signals right, please rethink your approach. That could be why you aren't having the success you should have.
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@jimluebke3869 Sure didn't. She said she was grateful to Peterson for inspiring her husband. I remember that clearly, and loved it, even though I am not a huge fan. I can appreciate why many people are. I guess memory is selective.
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@jimluebke3869 I'll make a deal. I will listen again with your comment in mind. To me, it sounded like she truly met her match.
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Well, explain this to me: a woman I have known my whole life just told me she was once raped, some 30 years ago, while at college. She waited to tell me until after her father died. Of course her father didn't do it (some cop she dated one single time did), but he always told his daughters that rape is extremely rare, and that most accusations are false. I was so shocked that I still have no words. My father, on the other hand, was an immigrant, very Mediterranean, and known in our community as someone who had a gun and would use it to protect me. He wouldn't have blinked an eye. (You can figure out the rest, I hope. His realism kept me safe.) Literally every beautiful woman I have ever known has been raped -- literally raped, meeting the full legal definition -- and no one punished in a single case. Explain that. I'm boggled by it. (The social context, by the way, is heavily working class with some professional families who worked very, very hard to get where they are, kids who go to college attend a major state university, and there are few private university graduates, parents or kids, apart from the Catholic colleges.) Maybe the cohort seeking psychotherapy is less likely to have a firm grip on reality in the first place, and more susceptible to the latest media-imposed hysteria. Maybe the kids from the social background you served are more naive or in denial about how money is made, through pushing just such hysteria.
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@09bamasky Taking off a condom without consent has been treated seriously since the AIDS epidemic, and is a crime in many countries. Even married women with children sometimes find out their husband is not who they thought he was. Sometimes they pay dearly for that lesson.
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@best5345 I can explain mine, too. My father was from southern Europe and knew rape was real. His natural wisdom keep me safe when I was still too young to know.
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Maybe you don't know what that's like, to be a crime victim as a child. I frankly don't see how someone who made it as a best-selling author, really made a fortune, and then returned to school later in life to complete the doctorate she always dreamed of -- at OXFORD, no less -- and in the meantime was married to a New York Times journalist and had two children, was divorced and remarried, to a very successful US Army veteran and security expert, can possibly be "committed to being a victim." Sounds to me like she committed to being a winner, which she is. And to telling her story, no matter how much it exposes her to these insipid analyses. She couldn't be browbeaten into accepting medical interventions that she had reservations about, either. How many people resisted the push to vaccinate? She did. That's no victim. You appear to need to believe there is less rape than there is, and that it's less bad than it is. Is that true? If so, why?
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She said that alcohol cannot be used as an excuse for the lack of consequences that was the norm for acts of sexual aggression at that time. "Alcohol was involved" means what, exactly? That wine was served with dinner, as was the custom there? What I find interesting is that this time, it was Naomi Wolf who demanded accountability and consequences for bad acts, and somehow she is getting dismissed. That seems to be the thrust of nearly every post on the topic that I see here. When Dr. Peterson points out how important accountability is, and brushes aside excuses, or anything that sounds like an excuse, everyone praises him. Why is that? P. S. Is cleaning your room more important that keeping your hands off of people who depend on your good graces and objective evaluations for their very careers?
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@petegiant Taking a drink is not implicit consent, if that's what you're thinking. That's not the law.
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@LawSavant I didn't suggest that. Social evolution has made seeking a partner for procreation only one goal among others, when it used to be the central motivation, outstripping other reasons to marry by far.
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@LawSavant As for unmarried parents, across the EU slightly more than 40% of parents have children together without marrying. France is an outlier at about 60%, but there are cultural reasons for that. Child abandonment by the father is traditionally very low in France; I can only hope that has not changed. The imperative to marry is lower when education and healthcare are a fundamental right, and fathers do not cut out and fail to support their kids. Anyway, France is not typical.
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@LawSavant You could also look at the data on second marriages, which are significantly less likely to have childbearing as the motive.
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@LawSavant No kidding. I'm an attorney as well, former law clerk, federal, and I have a Master's from a European university. Of course I did not write an airtight argument; I didn't even write an essay. You asked for the empirical basis for my assertions, and I sketched that out pretty summarily. Could the facts I cited admit of other explanations? Sure. It is also the case that procreation is not the central driver of marriage the way it once was; people do marry for many other reasons. Also, people raise families without getting married. As for your point about emotional connection, I assume you noticed that I said that in France, fathers stay involved with their children, married or not. And that that is not new. "Merely citing the statistics" . . . Er, not exactly.
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@LawSavant No. That was in a separate comment. It has no bearing on the question. (But see Orwell's Politics and the English Language, today if possible.) You seemed to believe I was ignorant. Hence, I provided evidence that, you know, possibly, I am not.
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@LawSavant P. S. Er, you aren't good at playing the Spot Informal Fallacies game, either. N. B. Identifying a trend does not imply any judgment about it at all, much less that it's a good thing. Or, as you might put it, "approbation."
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@LawSavant Re: alleged ad hom -- Joseph Williams, Style: Lessons in Clarity and Grace You're welcome. Re: alleged appeal to authority: Is MY screen name "Law Savant?"
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@LawSavant You raised the issue by suggesting I didn't know what I was talking about, or, to be precise, that I didn't know what constitutes a good argument. Oh but I do. The issue was not whether the cultural evolution we are discussing is GOOD, but whether it exists and is marked (it does, and it is -- and part of the reason to suspect so may be your own reaction). Those are matters of fact. (See, e.g., Hume on "is" versus "ought") Good luck with your studies. I gave you great suggestions on stuff to read. You gave me lip. No surprise. You should go far . . . in most circles.
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@Quinta Perfeita Marriage without children or children outside of marriage? I think whether a couple should have children is entirely their personal choice, and recognizing it as such, and respecting it, is unequivocally good. I think that having children outside of marriage is generally a very bad idea in the United States and may not be a problem at all in other Western countries, and having it as an option could even be a good thing. You'd have to live elsewhere for substantial periods of time to see for yourself.
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@sandman_says_runrunner4701 "These do not exist anymore?" How deluded is that??
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@fiveleavesleft6521 The people here clearly did not understand what she said. But did feel threatened by it, as if by tropism. I guess real communication is hopeless now. That's one effect of the Internet, now we know it is hopeless.
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@grannyannie2948 Sounds to me like you want to make sure everyone makes the mistakes you did. I see that a lot in older women. My mom became a mom at 35, and her sister at 46. Well, we age slower than most people, but that's not the whole story clearly. Most young women today don't have enough life experience to marry at a very young age. Sounds like someone is elevating Jeffrey Epstein's paraphilias into a quasi-norm. After all, he was fabulously rich, and all he really needed to do differently was to wait a few years to _ them.
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@dobleclanger They were discussing cultural evolution, which is unique to human beings. I agree with everything else you said. Actually, human evolution was relatively rapid during and after the beginning of language, but we have not changed biologically very much since the rise of farming. Rich people in the Mediterranean lived to their 90s, too. :)
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@kwg5044 Say what?? You wrote: "Jordan's wife had nothing to do with this except for your personal censorious defensiveness." Where do you see that I did any such thing? Can you be serious? Then you conclude with, "The real question right now is why you are reacting emotionally to something I didn't say." Is everybody Hillary Clinton now? Er, um, you . . . just did what you accused me of doing. I didn't. First of all, Wolf did not make a career out of her trauma. And in fact, if she was able to produce books, and obtain a doctorate from Oxford, and meet and marry an Army man, all as the result of trauma, that is called heroism. That kind of creativity in the face of pain is among the highest achievements a human being can aspire to. (See, e.g., Dostoevsky.) That is exactly what you do with trauma. I don't know whether she did, but she certainly did not let it stop her. My strong style of writing does not mean I'm "emotional." It means I can write.
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@3dmaster205 Where do you get that "her claims blacken all of society and all men?" A demand that certain powerful men be held accountable by everyone for their despicable acts rides on the expectation that men are capable of conforming their conduct to the law and to basic tenets of morality. If you think that is too much to ask of men, then you have a very dim view of society and of men. You, not her. I think men can be real gents. Naomi's husband sounds like a peach, just as an example. I get no vibe that she doesn't like Peterson, for that matter. I get the vibe that she does.
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@eyeswideopenpod I believe that children who are molested didn't attract it. I believe the people who perished on 9/11 didn't attract it. How about you? What do you believe?
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@jimluebke3869 "LESSER men?" That's your impression of what she said about her husband? (Or is that what you think of veterans? No, that I won't allow myself to suspect.) Wow, it did not take long to get you to give up the goods.
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@jimluebke3869 So . . . You know this about her, but none other than Dr. Jordan Peterson was fooled and invited her on, and expressed an interest to talk with her again. Well, that is a first for him, I'll say.
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@jimluebke3869 I think her husband sounds great.
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@DeezScotts2023 I have an idea. Please look up the legal definition of assault. I mean that sincerely -- look it up. Hypothetical scenario: you are alone in a room with a person who has huge authority over your career. The encounter started as a social event, but no one else is around now. You think you are there to have a friendly discussion, perhaps even an intellectual one, and he places he hand on your inner thigh. You make clear you do not welcome the gesture. He then moves his hand up, closer to your crotch, "just to make sure" you won't be persuaded. Is this an assault? Yes it is. You don't get to tell the victim it's no big deal.
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@DeezScotts2023 She told her story years ago, long before Bloom died.
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What is "coercion leading to permissiveness?" Please explain this.
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@09bamasky "Our justice system" accepts sworn testimony in a court of law as "actual evidence."
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@09bamasky My best friend only told me shortly after her father died, and we've been best friends for over 40 years. Did you think this was a confidence women would share with YOU? The women I know are from many walks of life, from Harvard to community college. I'm an attorney, with a California license among others. As for the women who made accusations in response to media, I would suggest some may have withdrawn accusations also in response to the counter narrative that "it's your own fault." That appears to be a tendency you might have -- or at least, that is precisely what you just did here. In fact, you doubled it by insinuating that something must be wrong with them, and also with me because I know them. Maybe you cannot explain because you cannot explain -- not just to me, personally, but simpliciter.
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@09bamasky Let's move on to "coercion leading to permissiveness." What's that? Whose is the agent, who is the patient, what is being done to whom? (Law is not one of the soft social sciences.)
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@09bamasky Only you know what you meant by "coercion leading to permissiveness." You know, buried in your essay that started this thread.
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@reecegeorgens1755 Explain.
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Well, explain this to me: a woman I have known my whole life just told me she was once raped, some 30 years ago. She waited to tell me until after her father died. Of course her father didn't do it (some cop she dated literally one single time did), but he always told his daughters that rape is extremely rare, and that most accusations are false. I was so shocked that I still have no words. My father, on the other hand, was known in our community as someone who had a gun and would use it to protect me. You can figure out the rest, I hope. His realism kept me safe. Literally every beautiful woman I have ever known has been raped, and no one punished in a single case. Explain that. I'm boggled by it.
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@best5345 She never said she was raped by him. There was no such completed act, and she never stated there was.
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@andreeaalexandru7811 You sound like the nut. What hasn't she understood? What has she failed to accomplish? She even went back to school to get her doctorate -- at Oxford, no less. And she did not give in to the COVID hysteria or the vaccine push. Considering the extreme pressure and fear mongering we were all subjected to, that shows strength of character. Comes as no surprise to me that her husband is a veteran, by the way.
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Or, maybe she's a crime victim. She didn't take offense. She refused to accept the excuse of alcohol as a "reason" for the rampant sexual assault that Yale was known for in that period. It's interesting, in France, where people treat wine as a part of the regular diet, if a person commits a rape while drunk, that is an aggravating factor. Their prison sentence can be increased up to five years for committing such an act while drunk. "Petersen [sic] has an intellectual balanced view of most subjects and approaches evidence and current thinking in a straightforward way." Evidence? He wasn't at Yale in the 1980s. She was. Who has the direct evidence? "He also realizes her constant theme of rape and molestation can be questioned." Constant? How so? I didn't hear that. "Her predominant complete evils against women is completely women's lib based." This makes no sense. "She lays blame on men when women were also involved in fashion as one example." Not sure what you are referring to . . . "when women were also involved in fashion?" Huh? You need to do a rewrite. P. S. I don't treat Tara Reade this way. By the way.
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@mvies77 Wow. My work here is done!
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@mvies77 Opinions? What I said about the law in France is a fact. What I find interesting is that this time, it was Naomi Wolf who demanded accountability and consequences for bad acts, and somehow she is getting dismissed, or worse. When Dr. Peterson points out how important accountability is, and brushes aside excuses, everyone jumps to their feet and praises him. Why is that?
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@mvies77 My aren't we mature and well-balanced. You can't help yourself, can you? You were just calling someone else "severely affected?" DNC/Hillary move, to claim loudly that others are doing what you yourself do. Maybe listen to Peterson. He's an exponent of self-control.
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@okgroomer1966 Wolf is the one who came from a poorer background. Trump is the one who failed to act when he first knew about the pandemic, he is the one who lifted the moratorium on the funding of gain of function research in places like Wuhan in the first place, he is the one who pushed Operation Warp Speed, he let Fauci run the country instead of firing him, and he assassinated an Iranian general who many people believed was a bulwark against rag-tag terrorists groups all over the Middle East. Trump had him droned without figuring out who he was, or whether he had any value to US security interests. Trump was a narcissist who signed whatever piece of paper the biggest flatterer put in front of him. He only looks good next to Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden.
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@TheBigJord You think she is wrong about the 1980s? Why?
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@blakebunch4485 You were there. Interesting.
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@larryc5361 She is married to an Army veteran who is a private security analyst.
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@blakebunch4485 Oh really? That leading professors who were lauded everywhere and who had control over MANY other people's careers were in fact using their positions to demand sexual favors with impunity is just another "me too" story? First of all, Wolf came out with her accusations YEARS ago, long before it was fashionable, and many have corroborated her account concerning the atmosphere of impunity at Yale during those years. You just haven't been paying attention. No, this has more in common with the Jeffrey Epstein story, as far as I'm concerned. Just add three to five years to the ages of the victims. I think people are just jealous of anyone who went to an Ivy. Maybe she earned it. She recently went back for a doctorate, later in life, to fulfill her dream despite not needing it in any material sense. She went to Oxford for that. She likes to work hard, clearly. Her current husband (only her second, nothing strange there) is a US Army veteran, by the way.
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What I find interesting is that it was Naomi Wolf who demanded accountability and consequences for bad acts, and somehow she is getting dismissed. When Dr. Peterson points out how important accountability is, and brushes aside excuses, everyone praises him. Why is that? If you didn't hear that, listen again. Start from the top.
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@TheBigJord "Blind rage?" So, all Americans are unhinged now. I should have figured that out by 2021 if I didn't know in 2008. Her point was about personal responsibility, something that liberals are always accused of forgetting. I never have. Neither did she, as was clear when she refused to follow the crowd and shut off her own thinking processes and her own questions concerning the COVID vaccines. I can write. That doesn't mean I'm "emotional." That means . . . I can write. :)
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@TheBigJord This was all I said to you directly: "You think she is wrong about the 1980s? Why?" I also made the general statement about holding people accountable for their actions. And you found "blind rage." You know, in France, where wine is a part of the diet, if a rape is committed while drunk, the perpetrator can receive up to five more years in prison. Drunkenness is an aggravating factor. I find that interesting. They are puzzled why anyone would consider it exculpatory in any way.
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@TheBigJord All I said was, why do you think the 1980s at Yale were not as she describes them? (And why would alcohol be an explanation instead?) As Naomi Wolf said, when people at a place like Yale know there will be serious consequences for bad acts, then they don't risk those consequences. These are Yale people. They calculate. They have $omthing to lo$e. Simpler than you're making it. Don't confuse her remarks with contemporary "hook up" culture, binge drinking, frat parties where strippers, spiked drinks, and alcohol poisoning are not rarities, and the bizarre and horrible Title IX abuses of today. Those did not exist back then. The lady will be 60 this year. She could be the grandmother of a college student.
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@TheBigJord "The blind rage to me comes in with you assuming that I’m against her on every point when I never said that. You want to create a bogey-man out of me so bad when there isn’t any need for it. " Huh? Are you sure you meant to direct this to me? Honey, talk to someone nice tonight.
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@TheBigJord ". . . frat parties where strippers, spiked drinks, and alcohol poisoning are not rarities" -- which certainly were very rare in 1982, in absolute terms and by comparison with now. Though conduct that gross is still relatively unusual, thank god. Yeah, she did know the ambience at Yale back then. She is smart. She was there. Look, you have a problem. Blocked.
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@crabtrap I have only seen such correction occur in France, never in the United States. Not ONE time.
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@jim6038 You are talking about Title IX abuses at universities, which I agree are horrendous. The tide on that has turned as the result of many lawsuits, that were very expensive for the first victims of the abuses. Look up the criminal statute in your state concerning rape and sexual assault and see what it describes. It is obvious that a woman committing the same acts specified in the statute against another person, regardless of sex, would be held criminally liable. (The differences in anatomy are not significant as a matter of law, given that nonconsensual digital sexual penetration or sexual penetration using some object are illegal.) If a woman gets drunk to do that, I would consider enhancing the penalty, as they do in some other countries.
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@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511 These are not just "women;" these are my close friends who didn't want to discuss it, and who told me at a time when they knew they would be blamed for it --- LONG before any hashtags, or even an Internet.
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@metalted6128 Mansplaining was when a man explained to a woman that she was unaware of the latest research on some topic or other, not knowing and not wanting to hear that that very woman wrote the research paper he was quoting to her. That happened to Rebecca Solnit. Her friend kept trying to tell the guy, "Rebecca wrote it." It took a long time to register. It's like when a man starts telling a woman mathematician about some simple algebra, not knowing she teaches real analysis at Stanford. :)
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@Richard_Potato Maybe because she returned to school later in life and got her doctorate at Oxford? That could be it.
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@Richard_Potato Actually, no, that is not correct. The IQ measure, which you seem to assume is a measure of "intelligence," is actually highly correlated, and regarded as highly predictive, of formal educational attainment in the present system of secondary and higher education. What can happen and what usually happens are two different things. A person of normal intelligence may or may not have a high IQ, and may or may not attain a doctorate at Oxford. Whether we can nevertheless consider attaining a doctorate at Oxford, especially later in life out of pure intellectual desire, as a marker of a high IQ is beside the point you've made. It need not be such a marker -- no necessity there, as Bertrand Russell used to say. On the other hand, it almost always is. Yeah. This took only a couple of minutes. Glad I could help.
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@Richard_Potato Did you actually think you got me or something? LOL
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@Richard_Potato I'm sorry you did not understand my post, or what performance on an IQ test (or any other aptitude test) means, or pretty much anything else I said. I will not take the obvious jab at what that might mean about your "intelligence." That would be cheap, and of course incorrect. You are obviously flustered. IQ tests do not measure "intelligence;" there is no test that can, for lots of reasons. IQ tests correlate very strongly with educational attainment in the present system, as it is commonly found in the West. You really don't know what either you or I are arguing. That's kind of . . . funny. (You bring up drink. Is there a reason it came to mind?) BTW, didn't you know that there have been some Nobel Prize winners in the hard sciences who had a rather ordinary performance on IQ tests, documented? Even Roger Penrose was not considered gifted in math because he really took his time and did problems slowly when he was young. Already as a child, he understood that the right answer was more important than the fast answer. He already knew math was different from other things he was being taught. (You do know that IQ tests are timed, correct? Speed strongly influences score. See the preceding paragraph and make a conjecture as to why there are true geniuses in this world who did not perform well on IQ tests.) And Russell is famous for making the distinction between necessary truths and contingent ones, and deepening our understanding of their ground, later using various pithy formulations when making the point in his talks. In any case, a person's performance -- in writing books, in completing a doctorate at Oxford -- is evidence of their intelligence. There is no need for some test to "prove" what is already known with greater certainty by other, more reliable, means. These aptitude tests usually take a few hours, and only rarely may be administered over a number of days. What someone actually does with their life, over years and years, trumps whatever those tests might turn up.
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@Richard_Potato Yeah, that's what people thought when it was believed we were born with all the neurons we would ever have. That was found to be false nearly two generations ago. Tell me, do you also think clinical depression is due to a "chemical imbalace" that SSRIs "fix?" Oh, and is it "genetic," too?
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@Richard_Potato As long as you have no influence over people, I suppose it doesn't matter what you think. You couldn't be a doctor and are highly unlikely to be a lawyer, that's evident; I cringe to think you might be an educator. That field attracts every stripe.
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@Richard_Potato I was referring to your express definition and characteristization of intelligence, which is wrong. It is so wrong that I'm not interested in reviewing what was said so far, a good while ago, formulating a lengthy response, and taking any more time with it. In short, you believe a wholly discredited view of the human brain, its nature, and how it functions. If you don't know about all that, you surely do not understand what intelligence is. You are debating about words, not the things they describe.
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@Richard_Potato Well, this is old. I've moved on. Try reading Norman Doidge's books, which give a popular account of contemporary findings concerning neuronal networks and what has come to be known as neuroplasticity -- although even he strikes me as somewhat overstating the case (in that the most remarkable people give us an idea of what may be possible, but certainly not what is typical, at our present state of knowledge), but it is the case in favor of what I'm saying. Interestingly enough, he taught at Toronto and is good friends with Jordan Peterson. So you're safe reading him. ;)
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@davejones9469 Do you realize how much you sound like Hillary Clinton with your massive projection? (How did that b---- get to have the influence she did, to the point where people imitate her all the time? Still a mystery to me.)
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@LawSavant P. S. Your style is too pretentious. Work on that.
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@LawSavant You seem to think I'm advocating for the cultural evolution I've described. Why?
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@LawSavant I like your dog thumbnail.
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@LawSavant Even better.
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@Quinta Perfeita What is something good?
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@Quinta Perfeita I wonder if one of my replies was shadowed. To take the example of marriage without children: when I was 18 or 19, I thought that was tragic. Today, almost all of the happy marriages I know are without children. It used to surprise me, and I thought those "must be" exceptions. Then I gained more life experience, and the numbers kept rising on one side only.
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@chet9128 "You get what you give?" I would take that deal every time.
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@mikesmith-nj1ij Human nature is to be more radically adaptable than any other living species, and in particular, to be cognitively flexible. No other species has language or culture, and the range of ways of life human societies have created through time and space is astounding. If you start with your own way of life, you could never imagine how other peoples have lived and live now.
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@grannyannie2948 You're the one who wrote some of the most vicious, embittered posts on this whole thread, no mean feat (pun intended). Hence you do sound as though you made mistakes a' plenty, and have taken to advising minor teens to do likewise.
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@jenniferwildflower4249 Exactly. Why does no one else know this? The attacks all miss the mark completely. I think they are just jealous of her because of her second husband, who sounds like an absolute peach.
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@stuartmoore6310 I think the fact that we cannot trust other people's perceptions anymore is the most frightening thing. You could time stamp everything, and it would make no difference. What I find interesting is that it was Naomi Wolf who demanded accountability and clear consequences for bad acts, and somehow she is getting dismissed. When Dr. Peterson points out how important accountability is, and brushes aside excuses, everyone praises him. Why is that?
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How so?
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That's funny. I was just reading a book by Norman Doidge, a friend of Jordan Peterson's, who made the point about the extreme variability in what human beings find attractive in a mate, and how neuroplasticity in humans (something that is the product of our evolution, and has made us the most adaptive species on earth) has led to that remarkable variability. The book is called The Brain That Changes Itself. BTW, any man who doesn't see that Naomi Wolf really likes men, and hence expects good behavior form them, might want to stop pointing fingers and look in the mirror instead. If you don't know how to read women to that extent -- that you don't see that Wolf is a woman who likes men a lot -- then you might want to work on that for the sake of not missing out on a good thing the next time she crosses your path.
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What I find interesting is that it was Naomi Wolf who demanded accountability and consequences for bad acts, and somehow she is getting dismissed. When Dr. Peterson points out how important accountability is, and brushes aside excuses, everyone praises him. Why is that? This was not a therapy session, by the way. Wolf is an immensely accomplished person and even went back to school late in life to complete her doctorate, at OXFORD. She resisted the COVID hysteria. And her husband is a veteran. Sounds to me like a truly successful life. If someone like that can still feel what it was like to be a vulnerable, idealistic, naive teen at Yale, in awe of all the famous people there who turned out to have feet of clay, then maybe that really is a big deal? When Dr. Peterson's wife became ill, he himself had a problem, with prescribed drugs. You don't hold that against him, do you? Then why this?
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@kwg5044 Gee, thanks. No snark from me, either. My late dad was a vet, too . . . WWII, ultimately with the 8th British Army (he was from Yugoslavia). When he got very old, and had to have a very long operation, some of the aftereffects of his wartime trauma resurfaced. I was an only, took care of him alone. The most recent close friend I've made was a Marine for 13 years, joined right after 9/11, then went to art school on the GI Bill. (He doesn't like debt. :) BTW, one thing I've always liked about Naomi Wolf is that she obviously likes men a lot.
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@3dmaster205 Men in general did not assault her, two specific men did. Some men (and probably some women as well) made it easier for those who did to do so. I see no general statements about general men.
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@3dmaster205 Sure, dear. Say. I have an idea. Turn off the sound and watch the (very beautiful, not that it matters) facial expressions and gestures. There you go.
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@benjaminz2523 All I can say to people like you is THANK GOD my father was an immigrant, very Mediterranean, had a gun, and was known to be capable of using it. In the area where I grew up, that kept me safe. My best friend in high school and my best friend in college were both raped. (The father of the latter thought the incidence of rape was greatly exaggerated, by the way.)
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@3dmaster205 She's not whining. You are.
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What I find interesting is that it was Naomi Wolf who demanded accountability and consequences for bad acts, and somehow she is getting dismissed. When Dr. Peterson points out how important accountability is, and brushes aside excuses, everyone praises him. Why is that? Wolf is an immensely accomplished person and even went back to school late in life to complete her doctorate, at OXFORD. She had already earned a fortune from her writing and raised two children. She did not do this for material reasons. She could have just, you know, bought a yacht or something. She also resisted the COVID hysteria and pushed back on the vaccine mandates. And her husband (second husband) is a veteran. Sounds to me like a truly successful life. If someone like that can still feel what it was like to be a vulnerable, idealistic, naive teen at Yale, in awe of all the famous people there who turned out to have feet of clay, then maybe that really is a big deal at 19? When Dr. Peterson's wife became ill, he himself had a problem, with prescribed drugs. You don't hold that against him, do you? Does he "wreak of being violated?" He has dissolved into tears many times since his ordeal. So what? But she can't even talk about what happened to her, and do so unemotionally? You're making the case for the people who insist that we live in a "rape culture."
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@jimluebke3869 She reported the incident while he was alive, many years ago. Toxic? Yeah, Bloom was.
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@jimluebke3869 Certainly. Look it up. What made you think not?
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The agricultural life was physically vastly harder.
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Exactly.
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@heyitsme That's not how past trauma is analyzed under the law. If you commit an assault against someone, and their suffering is more extreme than it would otherwise have been because it was not their first experience of assault, that is a reason to increase the compensation you have to pay if they were to sue you in tort. You don't get to pass that off as their tough luck. In criminal court, judges take victim impact statements as well, though those are more on the order of catharsis than to make a large difference in penalties. Look how no one wants to take responsibility! Neither those committing assaults and rapes, nor those making false accusations.
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@JordanBPeterson I do not know what "coercion leading to permissiveness" means.
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@09bamasky You sound like you might not be the best therapist. You cast aspersions on my social circle (by innuendo, of course), and I set that straight, and you assumed people who have been raped would confide in you -- so that the fact no one has confided in you must mean it never occurred. I made/make no such assumptions. I stated a fact. Actually, several. Like I said, law is not a soft social science. ;)
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Her husband is a US Army veteran and has a security consulting business.
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What I find interesting is that it was Naomi Wolf who demanded accountability and consequences for bad acts, and somehow she is getting dismissed. When Dr. Peterson points out how important accountability is, and brushes aside excuses, everyone praises him. Why is that? Wolf is an immensely accomplished person, who made a fortune with her writing years ago, and even went back to school late in life to complete her doctorate, at OXFORD. She resisted the COVID hysteria. And her husband is a veteran. Sounds to me like a truly successful life. If someone like that can still feel what it was like to be a vulnerable, idealistic, naive teen at Yale, in awe of all the famous people there who turned out to have feet of clay, then maybe that really is a big deal? It could be, you know.
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@mrmichaelhallett Was this a joke?
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What I find interesting is that this time, it was Naomi Wolf who demanded accountability and consequences for bad acts, and somehow she is getting dismissed. When Dr. Peterson points out how important accountability is, and brushes aside excuses, everyone jumps to their feet and praises him. Why is that? If you didn't hear that, listen again and start from the top.
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Examples??
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@best5345 If Wolf mindlessly advocated for "believe all women," please show me where. I don't think you're listening to her. I think you're equating her with every manipulator and airhead that has been trotted across the mass media -- to our detriment, sure.
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She was right about accountability. Funny, when someone like Dr. Peterson calls for it, everyone nods. Listen again.
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