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Comments by "L.W. Paradis" (@l.w.paradis2108) on "Eliza Fletcher Body Found, Suspect Previously Convicted Of Kidnapping. Memphis Crime Rates Skyrocket" video.
Brock Turner got six months. Raping someone who is unconscious has some serious implications, generally.
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Not one excuse was made.
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@jenifersantinole Yes I did listen. I know what you are saying about life in the cities is true as well. I'm living it, too. IN a city. (Never lived in a suburb.) No one is doing anything about it. This is not about feelings.
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Exactly. No one did this guy a favor by letting him out, by the way.
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Who thought that releasing him was doing HIM a favor?
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I would never release anyone, let alone a violent offender, from prison to society. We need halfway houses and intense monitoring. It takes two years on the outside to have any idea whether the person is rehabilitated and has made the adjustment -- and you could still be wrong.
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@Momusinterra I thought that, until becoming a lawyer and finding out how many actually innocent human beings have spent years on death row. The state is not able to exercise such power. It is too powerful as it is. Anyway, I truly appreciate the thought. I will never criticize a victim's family for wanting the death penalty.
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Agreed. France even let out the submissive partner of a serial killer team after he reached his sixties, and he will be under intense supervision in a halfway house for life. (The dominant partner died of AIDS in prison, back in the 1980s.) There were questions at the time, but literally no outrage. Most people felt proud of their system, as though it proved their superiority. France incarcerates more than most of Western Europe, by the way. No one did this criminal a favor by letting him out, obviously.
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We know huge gaps in wealth, on no basis anyone can figure out, correlates with violent crime. It's true throughout the world. No one will change that.
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Brock Turner got six months for raping an unconscious Asian woman. People did ask, but already knew the answer. In truth, she was punished harder by coming forward and revealing her identity.
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@-Thunder We certainly need halfway houses and intense monitoring. No one can transition from prison to society after a crime like that. That is the rarity. Recidivism is what usually happens.
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The Eighth Amendment permits life imprisonment, even for a juvenile. This was up to Tennessee. They released him, and did him no favors, either.
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@vtwright139 This happened on land.
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This is true. The Eighth Amendment permits life in prison for aggravated kidnapping. This was Tennessee's decision.
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Yeah, even right by a college campus. The sun was starting to come up. Imagine how good she had felt that morning, running at dawn.
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How do you know this? You knew it before the fact?
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@purplematteronly I accept that. It certainly means he should not have been out now, in 2022. In any case, I don't believe in releasing violent offenders from prison straight into society. Robust halfway house programs and intense monitoring work in other countries, where the levels of violence and recidivism are lower to start with. I also don't believe Shon Hopwood should have become a law professor quite so easily. I saw through that one.
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@thomasc9036 No American state prisons rehabilitate anyone, and whether the federal system does is questionable. I would never release anyone, let alone a violent offender, from prison directly to society. We need halfway houses and intense monitoring. Ordinary people who never commit crimes find dealing with our current dystopia a real challenge. Did any other country have a surge in opioid deaths during the pandemic like we did? Does any other country have the mass shootings that we do? From pandemic to George Floyd and Uvalde and a crime wave is pretty hard to take.
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@christopherings7996 No. Americans are most certainly not collectively coddled by success and relative safety. You are describing at most the top quintile at this point. We have a very tough society. Did the pandemic bring other countries a surge in opioid deaths, a George Floyd, a Uvalde, and a jump in wealth inequality such as the world has literally never seen? And yes, now a crime wave. You call that coddled? Add insult to injury, it's what we do.
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@thomasc9036 The penitentiary system is rehabilitation? In other news, the earth is flat.
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@thomasc9036 They need to rehabilitate themselves? My mind is boggled. They failed at that task in the first instance. Everything that every other developed country does is "unrealistic" here. Hence George Floyd, hence Uvalde, hence Eliza Fletcher, hence an unprecedented surge in opioid deaths -- during a pandemic.
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@thomasc9036 Because it is literally essential. Because people are not born fully formed, and what happens to them between conception and age 18, including much over which they literally had no control, none, can make them unable to function in society. Because then everyone suffers. That's why. If you can buy a fortress in a cul de sac, and a luxury condo in Europe, good for you. Everyone else (99.9%) has to deal with this.
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@thomasc9036 In any event, halfway houses with intense monitoring is what other countries do successfully. Caring for small, helpless animals has often been used, as has being responsible for maintaining a garden, and generally making sure they are occupied with something productive during waking hours. You'd be surprised what that can do for a person, and tell you about them -- such as whether they have normal compassion or not.
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The Eighth Amendment permits life in prison for an aggravated kidnapping. This was the decision of Tennessee to let him out. People don't like to hear that. Our reflex is supposed to be to blame the "liberals" who misread the Constitution. Well, that pig don't fly.
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This is true. We do know, however, that the transition from prison to society for someone like this is very rocky and a risk to everyone, including him (no one did him any favors by releasing him). We have to have halfway houses, step down transition, and intense monitoring. We won't know who will be less of a risk for several years.
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@s.n.9485 NO THEY DON'T. You must know nothing about the carceral state. A person with no one on the outside to give them housing can be discharged to the street or charity.
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Brock Turner got SIX MONTHS for raping an unconscious woman. Two Scandinavian exchange students witnessed it. The woman was Asian. Raping an unconscious person has some serious implications about the offender, usually. Blond offenders included.
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