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Comments by "L.W. Paradis" (@l.w.paradis2108) on "'TRANSPHOBIC' Label Kills Conversations On Gender-Affirming Care, CHEATS Kids: Charlamagne Tha God" video.
She's talking about criminalization, where she has a point, but that was not what Charlamagne was talking about. Freedom of speech, free discussion, and freedom of thought comes first. He's right.
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@LD-tn6ff "Statistically proven?" Perhaps you can tell us why these clinics are being closed down in other countries. The person who made the comment is not "actively fighting" anything except for the right to share their views without being silenced or condemned.
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EXACTLY. We need to think calmly and figure out what is going on. I have got to wonder about endocrine disruptors in the environment as well. To act as if this is just normal, that suddenly a new generation is dysphoric and we should "affirm" them, is insane. I suspect this isn't just "social contagion," frankly, and it reminds me too much of the coercion about vaccines and the refusal to acknowledge side effects as the evidence emerged.
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@alex-qd6of Actually, YES. We used to consider 21 to be adulthood.
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@mhicaoidh1 You have states like California proposing to become "sanctuaries" (!) for trans youth, and other states proposing to criminalize a treatment that a tiny, tiny minority (one in a million or one in two million, maybe) might actually need, but we can't speak freely about any of this? And the issue isn't about some personal preference -- the issue is about something that could sterilize a child. No dystopia I've ever heard of came up with anything this crazy.
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@mhicaoidh1 You could swear they were trying to see how much they can make us swallow.
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Well, she jumped straight to the issue of criminalization, where she does have a point, but that wasn't the issue. Charlamagne was talking about something more basic: free speech, free expression, freedom of thought. And he's right.
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1960s Teacher: "Jimmy, what do you want to be when you grow up?" 2020s Teacher: "Jimmy, what do you want to be when you grow up, a boy or a girl?"
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NO, Bri. This time I disagree. There is a HUGE problem of criminalizing everything we don't like -- of going straight to criminal law to solve everything -- this part is true, and I agree with you about the reflex to criminalize people. It is not just a trans issue, it's across the board. But there is a very important debate about transgender minors that cannot be censored anymore. The censorship has GOT to stop. First concede Charlamagne's point. He is right. First agree that we need to talk. Free discussion comes first.
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She went straight to the issue of criminalization, where she does have a point, instead of dealing with what Charlamagne actually said and acknowledging that he's right.
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Thank you. We are already at the point where one side is creating "sanctuary" states and the other is passing new criminal laws, and a few parents have already lost custody of their child. I seem to have missed the free and open discussion part that was supposed to happen first.
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Exactly. The coercion here is immense. I'm so glad you brought up this proposal to create "sanctuary states" -- and for what? Did the parents beat the boy who wanted to wear a dress, did they lock him in a closet? Or did they just consider puberty blockers, looked at the side effects, and said absolutely not?
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She is talking about criminalization, skipping right over Charlamagne's central point about freedom of speech, and doing it really badly.
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She's trying to make an argument about criminalization, where she certainly has a case -- but that's not what Charlamagne was talking about. The issue is free speech. She didn't acknowledge his point.
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THIS. It is medicine that is letting us down. That any of this proceeded, anywhere, without huge discussion and strict guidelines, is a profound shock. I thought medical ethicists were a thing.
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@vainezaiven6677 Thank you. How plain could it be? How could anyone miss it?
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@konstantinkrastev4478 What is "it?" Tell us what "it" is, and what the consequences for not following guidance on "it" are, and then we can answer your question.
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@Alarik52 Just what I said. I oppose criminalization. What made you think I wanted yet another reason to incarcerate? I never said anything of the kind. On the other hand, advocating (wrongly) for more criminal laws is still a First Amendment right. Discussion and persuasion is how we fix that -- not censorship or other coercive tactics.
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@konstantinkrastev4478 All you had to say was "Title IX" before using the pronoun. Most of the video was about criminalization, a wholly different matter. I agree with you wholeheartedly concerning Title IX.
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@konstantinkrastev4478 People who don't agree with whatever the prevailing position is: in California, they are proposing laws to make it a "sanctuary" for trans youth who run away from home, depriving their parents of the right to bring them home and punishing them if they try; in Florida, the are proposing laws to jail anyone who wants to treat that one teenage minor in a million (or two million, or three) who truly needs medical intervention beyond talk therapy. In the meantime, I think Charlamagne is right. Serious discussion, without coercion, has to come first. First Amendment for speech, and "first do no harm" for medicine. How is this not obvious? (How did we get this crazy?)
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@konstantinkrastev4478 Neither do I. The definition of "abuse" is the issue.
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@konstantinkrastev4478 I don't have kids. I was lucky.
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@konstantinkrastev4478 I do care about freedom of speech, however. Funny how that issue gets skirted more and more, and always in order to "help" people. Cute. But the freedom of speech problem can be solved in various creative ways, such as by becoming multilingual, moving from the Five Eyes to a more sane part of the modern world, etc.
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@konstantinkrastev4478 It isn't. I can just block you and I'm done.
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@konstantinkrastev4478 I speak three languages like they were my mother tongue. I can always find a way to say what I want.
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She really missed this one, which is rare for her. I agree with her about criminalization -- we rely on criminal laws to make people do what we want them to do far too much, but that was not the point. Charlamagne was right that we are losing a culture of free speech and open debate. The freedom to talk about this has got to come first.
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@vainezaiven6677 Full agreement. Please reread what I wrote. The full discussion was supposed to happen first.
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Well, as a parent, I am sure that you do not want your parenting decisions to be placed under scrutiny and to have your child taken away. I would like to see it acknowledged that we should go slow before criminalizing anything, as a general rule. A person doesn't have to be a parent to know that you cannot coerce parents to the degree we do, and that includes parents opposed to transition for minor children, and the insanity of freezing them out of the discussion as though their view were "bigoted."
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Well, after seeing Blaire White on Kim Iversen's channel, I watched some of her presentations, and she transitioned in her early 20s. I think you're making a generalization without evidence.
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@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns You are saying "some" but sound like you're saying "all." I agree with you about some. But then again, there are others. Look around.
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