Comments by "JLH" (@Kyarrix) on "Elizabeth Warren Reveals How She REALLY Feels About Bernie Supporters" video.

@stupidkitty84 I get so tired of internet idiots voicing opinions that are unwarranted. I have donated $257 to the Sanders campaign. I make phone calls and I canvas in the Seattle area on his behalf. I've spent over 100 hours volunteering. I voted for Sanders in my state primary in 2016 and for him here this month sending my early ballot in. You have no idea what I mean, you're twisting it because you're a small ugly troll. I don't know what the content of their conversation was, and Warren has a history of being honest and never lying. So does Bernie. In this kind of situation I'm going to assume that there was a misunderstanding in the absence of additional information and you would do well to do the same. Take your stupid memes and idiotic ideas elsewhere. I get that "concern troll" is the current thing that small-minded idiots like you enjoy throwing around. It does not, however, apply to me. I'm not concerned, I'm going to look at the evidence and make a judgment on that. The fact that you see what she says as snide speaks to your stupidity and sexism, not to anything else. Do not bother addressing me in response with anything other than courtesy. Do you volunteer for the Sanders campaign? Do you donate money? Have you given more than 100 hours of your time? No, I don't think you have because you're an Internet troll who gets off attacking people who are actually doing the work. Edit: To anyone reading this who feels that I got too heated, too angry. You might be right but it is very difficult to hold your temper when someone accuses you of something that is unwarranted and incorrect. He isn't the first one and I'm sure he won't be the last.
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@CarlyonProduction Please stuff it. This is sexism and hypocrisy at their finest. If she were to disclose the details of the conversation, you would complain about how she is talking about private things in public. If she doesn't talk about them, if she respects his privacy then she's manipulative. Have the common decency to look at your own motives. You don't like her, you don't want her as president, you don't want her as the nominee because? Why, the idea of a woman bothers you? Right, a woman is fine just not this one. Or that one. Nope, not the other one either, her voice annoys me! You're fine with a woman you're just not okay with specific. You have different standards for her than you do for a man. Have the decency to acknowledge it. I've given several hundred dollars to Sanders and I am a volunteer for his campaign but I'm going to call bullshit where I see it. And I absolutely see it in your response.
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@stupidkitty84 I am militantly indifferent to what you believe or do not believe. You are not a true blue Bernie supporter if you are bashing Elizabeth Warren on the internet. Sanders does not want people to idolize him or lionize him. Not me, us. And Warren is, in substantial part, on the same side we are. Neither should you be giving money you can't afford. If you are indeed a single working mother of three kids with health issues (and I will do you the courtesy of believing you, something that you have not afforded me) you need your money for the care of yourself and your children. We don't want people to donate what they can't afford. My background? I'm also a woman and an attorney. I understand health issues, I won't go into why but I've had a long hard fight and I'll continue to have that battle. You attacked me without knowing anything about me. This is how our side tears itself apart. I like Elizabeth Warren. I respect the journey she's made. She grew up Republican and changed her beliefs because of the unfairness she saw. She has worked hard for others and she has done that work with honesty and honor. She has long been a friend and supporter of Sanders. I would have worked for her campaign if Bernie hadn't been in it. She has a long-standing reputation as decent and honest and that is why I am not going to attack her or assume that she was lying. Not without additional evidence. By the same token neither am I going to assume that Bernie is lying because I don't believe that he is. Where does that leave me? With a misunderstanding of some kind. Life is complicated and things are often misunderstood. I do not believe that Sanders would have said that a woman is not electable as president. At the same time I'm not sure that a woman is electable this year in this country with all of the sexism, stupidity and ugliness that is running rampant. The point is that we were not there, and given that both of these people have reputations for honesty I'm going to assume that it was a misunderstanding and not that either person is willfully lying. If you had asked me why I concluded this rather than attacking me as a "concern troll" you would have gotten an entirely different response. Why am I a Sanders' supporter first? Because Bernie has stood for these ideas for 50 years. Because I have lived in other countries where people have healthcare and I believe it is a necessity, a human right. Because it makes me furious that a handful of people have more wealth than half the population of the country, that corporations have a fiduciary responsibility first to their shareholders and not to their employees or to the greater society at large. That this fiduciary responsibility results in people being paid so little that they end up on food stamps even while working a full-time job. There is so much unfairness that we have to fix. Deaths of despair are at their highest ever, our suicide rate is at its highest since World War II. I could go on for a long time as to the reasons I support Sanders and his platform. That support though does not mandate my attacking someone else who is substantially on the same side. If you need me to attack Elizabeth Warren to prove that I am on Bernie Sanders' side then I would question your understanding of what it means to be a Sanders' supporter. I'm trying to find a way through this after you have gone out of your way to attack me. I am angry at how the media has portrayed Bernie, there are a lot of things that make me angry and that I find frustrating, but that does not lead me to attack Elizabeth Warren in the ugly and often sexist ways that she is attacked. Edit: I did not sign off on her claims with regard to his supporters. I do not think it is his responsibility. At the same time there is a strain of sexism in the attacks on her that I find abhorrent. Question someone on the substance of their beliefs, disagree with them because of those beliefs and because of the actions that they take. Calling someone a concern troll and all of the ugliness and sneering that goes on is part of the problem. People will never be persuaded to think or to question their beliefs if they are attacked. I know where the anger comes from, I often feel the same way and sometimes it gets the better of me, as it did in my first response to you.
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@Isaac-un4cn I don't want to attack people. I understand that the woman who attacked me is a single mother of three, has health issues and is struggling - that would make anyone angry and trigger happy. I also get that there are "concern trolls" out there. I wish though that we had a little more patience for each other. Elizabeth Warren has a reputation for honesty. So do Bernie Sanders. In the absence of additional information I'm going to assume he said something like "it will be difficult for a woman to be elected this year (due to the rabid nature of Trump and his followers)" and she took it to mean something broader. Elizabeth Warren is on the same bus. We are on the same side. It is wrong, in an excess of devotion, to demand that we disassemble her in order to show support for him. Thank you for responding, sometimes it feels lonely to go against the tide.
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@Isaac-un4cn This is what bothers me. For some of these folks she can't win. No matter what she does they will criticize her. If she shares the details of a conversation, it's wrong, if she doesn't share the details she's manipulative. This is exactly what she's talking about and I agree with her. It isn't going to cause me to not vote for Bernie but I can acknowledge a problem on our side. It exists and it needs to be addressed. I would have loved to have seen a Sanders Warren ticket.
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@xXRickTrolledXx Fabricates? How does it feel to finally have an excuse to voice all of the dislike and distaste you've had for her? Does it feel good? Were you under the impression that you were successfully lying to anyone other than yourself? It's fascinating that in this country where women are allegedly far more equal than anywhere else, so much putrid sexism still exists. Arab countries have had female leaders. Israel has had a woman leader. The various European and Scandinavian nations have. But here? Here, you find people piously mouthing platitudes about how they will vote for a woman (although they never actually do so) but the moment an opportunity arises she's "fabricating" or manipulative or any other rotten sexist trope. It never occurs to you that they could have misunderstood each other? Bernie might have said that he thought this year a woman was not be electable and that could have been taken more broadly than he intended. And If he did say it he wasn't wrong. The majority of trump supporters will not vote for a woman. Neither, to be honest, would you. How do I know this? I know it because of the way your mind works, how you have fallen back on the ugliest of stereotypes with the slightest of excuses and your lack of awareness.
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@az-tl3mh I agree with you. I'm a Sanders supporter and a woman. I volunteer for his campaign and I donate money. I still get attacked here when I suggest that we shouldn't assume that Warren is a scheming manipulative liar. Someone told me that I'm not a "true blue Bernie supporter" because I disagreed. I understand the anger. I feel that same anger myself. But I also recognize that Elizabeth Warren is on our side in large part. We aren't helping our cause if we assume the worst and attack her.
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@nura6889 Thank you for your kind words. I just got done responding to someone who was informing me that Elizabeth Warren is a fake progressive. I often don't know if the people posting these kinds of things are bots or trolls or genuinely believe it. We are turning on each other and attacking each other and giving no leeway or credit for good intentions. People should reserve their rage and anger for Trump and for those who genuinely want to do harm. Right now my main focus is on trying to prevent Biden from becoming the nominee, while he would be better than Trump (It's hard to imagine someone worse) a Biden presidency would worsen the conditions that led to Trump being elected in the first place.
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Oh hey, what a clever dude you are! Idiot.
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Z'Q Nope, sorry. Your sarcasm notwithstanding - she isn't a liar. Calm yourself. It is reasonable to say that in THIS year with Trump and his rabid base a woman would have a lot of difficulty getting elected. He has a reputation for truthfulness. So does she. Why are you in such an ugly rush to crucify her? What is the problem that you have? You want to cannibalize those who are on our side out of an abundance of ideological purity? Bad idea. He believes a woman can be elected - possibly not this year. She has had a disgustingly difficult time. Try some empathy - how would it be to be her? How would it feel to be smart and able and to run up against sexism time and time again? Watch the interview with Chris Matthews and his disbelief that a woman should be, you know, believed. This is something women deal with every day. Imagine how that would feel and how RAW you'd be after years of it - and then if you do that, you'll see how she might have misunderstood something. Get a hold of yourself and your own sexism in rushing to judgement. Christ. You all want to crucify people on OUR SIDE for some perceived failing rather than directing your energy towards those who really are a threat. Your Last Mohican comment told everyone reading exactly where you stand. Seriously, go to hell with that - when you jump on the Trump train to insult Warren you show yourself to be the lowest of the low and not worth my or anyone else's time.
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Well said and thank you!
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