Comments by "JLH" (@Kyarrix) on "The "Healthy" Food You Need To AVOID EATING To Prevent Disease u0026 Inflammation | Jeff Nobbs" video.

Take what Jeff says with a grain of salt. He is absolutely right about seed and grain oils being unhealthy and pro-inflammatory. But, and this is the important caveat, he is here to sell his product. His company manufactures a replacement for those oils. They call it cultured oil and their claim is that it is much healthier. He is offering his laboratory manufactured replacement for pro-inflammatory hexane processed vegetable and seed oils but there is no need for a replacement oil. We should not be ingesting processed oils in the first place other than in extreme moderation. Use butter, ghee, avocado and olive oil in moderation if you can get good products and animal fat from pasture raised animals where possible. We don't need a replacement vegetable oil, what we need is to eat real food, not laboratory created pseudo products that are allegedly better for us. In 50 years we'll know whether his product is okay to eat or not but don't be the guinea pigs. It doesn't matter much if his product ends up being less harmful. It isn't going to be better or healthier than real food. Eat real food, use healthy sources of fat and leave the frankenfoods behind.
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It doesn't and it shouldn't and don't buy the product. Jeff is right that pro-inflammatory omega-6 heavy oils should be avoided. The solution to that is not to sell a laboratory created oil, the solution is to eat real food and avoid vegetable oils.
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@glenmorse9533 Respectfully, Glen, you are in the wrong and have not thought this through. I know people aren't often persuaded when they are told bluntly that they are wrong but I think in this situation it is necessary. Your basis for trusting him is the fact that he looks healthy and has succeeded in a business endeavor? Please reconsider. If that's all it takes for you to ingest an unproven substance, the fact that the person standing to benefit financially tells you that it's okay and they look healthy, that does not bode well. Jeff is in his 30s, if he eats a moderately decent diet, exercises and gets good sleep of course he'll look healthy. Jeff saw an opportunity in the marketplace. I'll concede that he is genuinely concerned about processed vegetable and seed oils but his answer was not to use his influence and business to encourage people to eat real food. His solution was to manufacture another frankenfood, another ultra processed product and offer it in the stead of existing processed products. Why are you okay with that? Of course, we live in a capitalistic society with hardly any checks and balances, people like him want to make a lot of money in order to gain tremendous influence and power. All of that mitigates against trust not for trust. The CEO of a corporation that manufactures a product is not a trustworthy source of information. He wants you to buy his product. He wants your money for his product. The fact that he is charming and healthy in appearance and affect should not influence your decision. It is proven that real food is healthy for us to eat. Not animals that are raised in CAFOs, not eggs from chickens living in crowded factory farms, but food from animals that are raised in natural conditions. Pasture raised eggs, dairy from grass-fed cows, and meat from grass-fed animals. On the topic of Omega-3 versus Omega-6, meat from pasture raised animals is much higher in Omega-3. When they are grain-fed the meat has no Omega-3 and instead has Omega-6. Why would I purchase and ingest a laboratory created oil when I can eat real food? Avocados are a source of healthy fat, you don't have to use avocado oil you can eat an avocado. Wild caught salmon. Animal fats from animals that are raised in a healthy and sustainable manner. Seasonal fruits and vegetables for those who enjoy them. I'm not going to enter the discussion on carnivore because that's a separate topic and I don't have a lot to contribute other than carnivore works for some people and eating seasonal fruits and vegetables works well for others. I've spent more time than I probably should have responding, I hope you are able to take it to heart and reconsider your position.
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Yes and no. He's right on the money with regard to the dangers of highly processed grain and seed oils but he is not on the money with regard to his solution, a laboratory created product called cultured oil that he is here to sell. It's interesting that you would say right on the money because that's the point. He is here to make money. Don't buy his product, don't use his oil, don't use vegetable seed or grain oils particularly highly processed ones. Instead eat real food. Butter, ghee, avocado and olive oil in moderation assuming you have access to products that are not adulterated and animal fats from animals that are pasture raised. There is no need for a new franken food, he's here to make money.
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It doesn't matter that he looks healthy, that's a terrible reason to trust someone or to consider purchasing a product. He's right that highly processed vegetable and seed oils are very unhealthy for a variety of reasons. His solution though? His solution is to manufacture another franken food, he calls it cultured oil and he claims that it is much healthier than any other processed vegetable oil that comes in a bottle! Maybe but why would anyone replace real food with another laboratory manufactured pseudo food? Eat real food. Don't eat foods that are manufactured in laboratories. There are great sources of fat there that have been proven healthy such as butter, ghee, olive oil and avocado oil in moderation assuming you have access to an unadulterated source, animal fats from animals that are pasture raised. Eat those sources of fat and leave the bottled oils behind including this newest entry that Jeff is hoping to become very rich from selling.
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@glenmorse9533 Thank you for the lovely response. I did put time into it because I don't want anyone to eat a laboratory processed oil over healthy real food. I'm also a sugar addict in the sense that I love ice cream. I bake too, I usually don't eat what I bake but I still love making delicious things for people to eat in moderation. I believe that Jeff is trying to do something good when he warns against the dangers of pro-inflammatory vegetable and seed oils. But I'm not convinced that his laboratory created alternative is a lot better. It might be better than processed pro-inflammatory oils but better yet avoid all of them. He stands to make a lot of money from people adopting his alternative. I hope it ends up being healthier but I would rather he put his time into educating people and promoting real food. How is carnivore working out for you? I was thinking about going in that direction based on everything I've been reading.
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@barbarafairbanks4578 I'm sorry this information is not entirely accurate. There is no benefit to eating early in the day. Naturally we have no desire to eat in the morning as our ghrelin is at its lowest then. You can eat a protein forward meal at 1:00 p.m. or 3:00 p.m. or 5:00 p.m. There does not seem to be anything suggesting that it is necessary to eat heavily early in the day. If your body is not hungry it is telling you to not eat. Forcing yourself to eat a protein heavy breakfast when your body isn't interested in food is wrong.
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@solomonsalsberg5961 Hi Solomon, what kind of cuisine do you cook? I was interested in becoming a chef but I went to law school for various reasons but primarily to protect people. I love cooking and baking though and learning how to do that healthily. I think the key is to not use pro-inflammatory oils at all and to try to avoid cooking in such a way that they become overheated when they are used. Ghee is an option. It's a wonderful cooking fat that many Americans are not familiar with but I have learned to appreciate. We can make our own ghee at home, it isn't difficult starting with a quality butter..For low heat cooking butter is terrific. Avocado oil has a high smoke point. When we start using peanut oil or canola oil we get into the realm of ultra processed that are ideally to be avoided. There are good animal fats that can be purchased here from grass fed animals. And there are some high quality cold pressed oils. I don't use the same oil more than once. But I don't run a restaurant and I don't deep fry anything. I think people are interested and would be even more interested if they knew how dangerous pro-inflammatory oils are. Unfortunately in this country people expect cheap food and they want it available fast. There is a problem with education and the corporate interests that benefit tremendously from selling these foods aren't interested in people knowing how bad they are. Please don't say blah blah no one cares. I don't think it's a lack of caring so much as a lack of knowledge. Those who have that knowledge have a responsibility to share it and that includes you too! Particularly as a chef.
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@barbarafairbanks4578 information can be interpreted to support various propositions that are in the larger picture inaccurate. Don't eat a calorically restricted meal. When you eat, eat to satiety. Our desire to eat is at its lowest in the early morning. The hunger hormone, ghrelin is at its lowest at that time. Our bodies do not intend us to force food down our throats because a study was misinterpreted. One piece of information in a vacuum proves nothing. If this works for you, I wish you the very best with it but I have zero desire to sit down to eggs at 10:00 a.m. to do so would be to court nausea. Our bodies are intelligent, the problem with obesity and insulin resistance stems from eating too frequently, too much and unhealthy food. Resolving those issues is of primary importance. Let's not make a different mistake and tell people that they need to force themselves to eat a heavy meal which is somehow also calorically restricted?? right as they wake up. And yes, we should eat when we are hungry. The idea that you should force yourself to eat when you aren't hungry is ridiculous on its face. That is the problem here, people eat when they aren't hungry because they were told that the clock is magical and that they have to eat X number of times a day for their metabolism. That is just not accurate. Humans evolved eating once a day or once every few days. There is nothing magical about eating three or four or seven times a day or at a specific hour. Eat when you are hungry, eat when your body asks you for food. Not when you're bored, not when you're depressed, not when someone makes something delicious that appeals to you and not based on the clock. If you are hungry at 10:00 a.m. then of course eat at 10:00 a.m. If you are hungry at 3:00 p.m. eat at 3:00 p.m. It will be different for people in different stages of their life. A pregnant or breastfeeding woman might very well be hungry at 8:00 a.m. and at 11:00 a.m. and at 2:00 p.m. and at 4:00 p.m. and again at 7:00 and again at 9:00 because she is feeding a child. A growing teenager will need more nutrition than an adult in their 40s or 50s. And it might be different from one day to the next where someone is hungry earlier in the day on one day and not the next. But absolutely do not force food down your throat because a study that doesn't take all factors into consideration says that this is what you should do. Trust your body.
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@wilsont1010 there's no way I'm going to ingest canola oil. I don't care about the OSI index because I don't fry. If I need a cooking fat I will use ghee or butter or an animal fat. I do have avocado oil in the house and I use it sparingly and very rarely. We don't need pro-inflammatory omega-6 heavy oils in our diet regardless of what the index says. The index measures oxidative stability it doesn't address the issue of health, of whether the oil is good to eat. Canola oil is not good to eat.
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@wilsont1010 If you are looking to troll this is not the place. People generally are looking for accurate information here. Canola oil has one of the lowest OSI. That doesn't mean it's healthy for several reasons that have already been discussed. In the prior comment, you said "Guess which oil has the lowest OSI index?" That was your question. I answered canola oil. You then turned around and said "no one is talking about canola oil." You were talking about canola oil. It was your question. Please don't do that, it's a waste of my time and of yours too. If you're going to ask a question expect an answer. When you get that answer it's not valid to pretend that you hadn't asked the question in the prior comment. I also don't understand the point in asking questions as though there was some mystery as to the answers. There is no one healthiest oil. We aren't playing Jeopardy. If you feel you have an answer to a question, offer it. Otherwise I'm going to assume that you don't know the answer. With regard to your question, there is no healthiest oil. It depends on what you're doing with that oil. If you're using it on a salad you want cold pressed extra virgin olive oil. If you are the very rare person who doesn't get sufficient omega-6 in their diet then it would be a different oil. If you are someone who, like most Americans, gets too much omega-6 there is no healthiest oil because they all have more omega-6 than omega-3. For that reason you would prefer a grass-fed animal fat, grass-fed butter or ghee. It goes without saying that the ghee should be made from grass-fed butter. I don't understand the combative approach. We are all here to get and share information. It isn't a competition, it isn't a game of Jeopardy neither is it the Socratic method for teaching a class of law students. Offering questions without answers and then sitting back and pretending that you didn't ask the question or asking questions that don't have good answers is not a good use of anyone's time. There is no one healthiest oil. There are better options depending on the use case. The fact that canola oil has a high oil stability index doesn't mean that it's a good oil to eat because it is very high in omega-6 and most canola oil on the market is ultra processed.
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@campbellpaul Thank you for the courteous response, I really appreciate it. I'm going to copy a response I made to someone else, they were saying that they trust him and are going to purchase his product because he is healthy looking and credible. This is what I said (with some edits) Respectfully, you are in the wrong and have not thought this through. I know people aren't often persuaded when they are told bluntly that they are wrong but I think in this situation it is necessary. Your basis for trusting him is the fact that he looks healthy and has succeeded in a business endeavor?Please reconsider. If that's all it takes for you to ingest an unproven substance, the fact that the person standing to benefit financially tells you that it's okay and they look healthy, that does not bode well. Jeff is in his 30s, if he eats a moderately decent diet, exercises and gets good sleep of course he'll look healthy. He saw an opportunity in the marketplace. I'll concede that he is genuinely concerned about processed vegetable and seed oils but his answer was not to use his influence and business to encourage people to eat real food. His solution was to manufacture another frankenfood, another ultra processed product and offer it in the stead of existing processed products. Why are you okay with that? Of course, we live in a capitalistic society with hardly any checks and balances, people like him want to make a lot of money in order to gain tremendous influence and power. All of that mitigates against trust not for trust. The CEO of a corporation that manufactures a product is not a trustworthy source of information. He wants you to buy his product. He wants your money for his product. The fact that he is charming and healthy in appearance and affect should not influence your decision. It is proven that real food is healthy for us to eat. Not animals that are raised in CAFOs, not eggs from chickens living in crowded factory farms, but food from animals that are raised in natural conditions. Pasture raised eggs, dairy from grass-fed cows, and meat from grass-fed animals. On the topic of Omega-3 versus omega-6, meat from pasture raised animals is much higher in Omega-3. When they are grain-fed the meat has no omega-3 and instead has omega-6. Why would I purchase and ingest a laboratory created oil when I can eat real food? Avocados are a source of healthy fat, you don't have to use avocado oil you can eat an avocado. Wild caught salmon. Animal fats from animals that are raised in a healthy and sustainable manner. Seasonal fruits and vegetables for those who enjoy them. I'm not going to enter the discussion on carnivore because that's a separate topic and I don't have a lot to contribute other than carnivore works for some people and eating seasonal fruits and vegetables works well for others. I've spent more time than I probably should have responding, I hope you are able to take it to heart and reconsider your position. --- I really did spend too much time! But I feel a sense of responsibility. If we can persuade one person to avoid something dangerous, maybe we helped save a life, maybe we influenced someone in a way that benefits them.
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@barbarafairbanks4578 anyone who peppers their comments with as many emojis as you have can't be taken seriously. Bud? Grow up please Barbara. You have sat here in this comment section telling people that they have to eat before 10:00 in the morning because otherwise bad things will happen to them when that is patently untrue. As I have said a couple of times, if that works for you, if eating a large meal of protein before 10:00 a.m. works for you then go right ahead and do it but please don't advise others to follow. Anyone can cite studies. The same thing is true with statistics, you have to be very careful to ensure that information that appears persuasive is applicable. If you aren't hungry in the morning, don't force yourself to eat. No one should feel that they have to force themselves to eat a large protein meal before 10:00 a.m. That was the main point you were making, you were telling people that if they didn't eat a large protein forward meal before 10:00 a.m. that they could sustain muscle loss. That just isn't true. It isn't supported by the evidence. You said a couple of times that I was telling people what to do. Not at all, I explicitly stated that people should do what works best for them. If you are hungry at 10:00 a.m., eat at 10:00 a.m. I am not being prescriptive, you are. Between the emojis and condescension there isn't much of substance in your argument. You were looking to be rude and misinterpret what I was saying and you did exactly that. I'm not sure what you gained from it.
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@barbarafairbanks4578 anyone who feels the need to be as rude as you are doesn't have the right to respond to anyone.
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@ExtraordinaryLiving Thank you for this. I'm sorry I didn't respond before I didn't see it.
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Please reconsider using his product. Don't be the guinea pig for something that is not proven safe and healthy. Make mayonnaise out of olive oil and pasture raised egg yolks. A little bit of olive oil if you can get good quality olive oil that isn't adulterated is better than using something that was created in a laboratory. Olives are real food. If you take them and smash them you get oil. Cultured oil, the product that Jeff is seeking to become very rich from selling, is not a natural food it is a processed food. He's right about the dangers of processed seed, grain and vegetable oils. They are generally extracted with hexane, they are pro-inflammatory and they become rancid very quickly. There are many good reasons to stay away from those oils. There is not however a good reason to manufacture a replacement in a laboratory. There are real food good quality alternatives. Please don't enrich someone at risk to yourself. In 50 years or so if it's proven that this substance is generally safe, maybe but even then I would prefer real food.
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