Comments by "JLH" (@Kyarrix) on "ZOE" channel.

Thank you for saving me time, given how the title was phrased I thought this was going to be the approach. Now I don't have to watch it.
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@thomasrobinson4401 That's unnecessarily judgmental and potentially sexist also. Are you evaluating the men's appearance when you decide whether to take their advice or not? This is the kind of comment that is so irksome because it's smug and ugly. You can agree with the original comment, without taking a pot shot at some woman's appearance. Why would you ever think of doing that? Why would that even occur to you? It doesn't with regard to the men, check yourself please. Where does the impulse come from?
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Exactly this. I don't maintain strict keto, I eat low carb, high healthy fats. Eggs, avocado, vegetables, pasture raised dairy and meat in moderation, limited fruit, berries if I want them (I love blueberries or blackberries on full fat Greek yogurt) I eat very limited grains, effectively none. I do eat some unprocessed carbs, for example, occasional garbanzo beans oven roasted to golden brown and crisp are great on a salad or with a meal but they're an accent, 20-30g no more. I avoid processed foods like the plague that they are. I don't use pro-inflammatory vegetable or seed oils, avoid foods with added sugar and most GMO foods. If I really want a treat I'll have it and go back to the way I eat right away. A treat would be something I bake or high quality vanilla bean gelato. I don't crave it but I do love it and I know that we can have celebratory foods if we have them rarely and if they don't trigger us to continue eating. I learned this from Dr Jason Fung; we don't have to be rigid, instead work towards consistency. If I eat healthily 98% of the time, get exercise and good sleep, in the absence of any condition that would preclude it or trigger more eating, I can have an ice cream or some bread or a dessert at a celebration. He talks about going on a cruise with his family and eating the cruise food. When he got back he had gained some weight. He stepped up the fasting and carb restriction and lost it right away before his body began to treat it as his new set point. I've lost over 100 pounds and I bike 20 miles most days. I was disabled for over ten years due to some bad things that happened to me but I'm healthy now and I want the lost career and life time back. I know I can't have that but I can do everything to be as healthy as I can into my 50s and beyond.
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@robertphillips93 this channel has a marked vegetarian and vegan bias. That's not a bad thing, you can be healthy on a vegetarian or vegan regimen although it is not ideal for most. I don't mind the fact that they have a bias. I do mind that they present it as impartial science when it is not. I'll take advice from Dr Fung who has helped me lose weight and get healthy. He's science based, transparent, isn't trying to sell anything and he genuinely cares.
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@bobadams7654 but I know the benefits of keto or low carb, high healthy fat. It's what I follow. This channel has a strong vegan or vegetarian bias. I'm not against that, you can eat a vegetarian diet and be healthy it's just not ideal for most. It isn't ideal for me. When they present keto or low carb high fat as eating lots of meat and not eating vegetables that's a misrepresentation. For example, I eat a couple of eggs with spinach, cherry tomatoes or mushrooms or some other vegetable and half an avocado. That would be my break fast (not breakfast) meal on most days. I might have some almond flour and seed crackers that I bake myself with it. For dinner I have 3 to 4 oz of wild caught salmon or some other kind of fish, once or twice a week I might have grass-fed beef. With it I'll make oven roasted string beans in balsamic reduction or brussel sprouts, spinach or some other kind of greens. Or I'll eat a big salad meal, lots of different color lettuces, spinach, radicchio, cherry tomatoes, perhaps some cucumber or sprouts, half an avocado, a little feta, and a couple of ounces of some sort of protein. Dressing is always a homemade vinaigrette with red wine vinegar and olive oil, teaspoon of Dijon mustard to emulsify it and whatever herbs I have on hand. Or just salt and pepper in the vinaigrette. That's pretty much what I eat. I fast for 16 hours each day and I drink a lot of water. I eat yogurt a couple of times a week, full fat unsweetened Greek yogurt with whatever berries happen to be available. I'm sure my diet could use some tweaking but I think it's probably reasonable. I wish the keto or low carb high fat community and the vegetarian or vegan community would work together more. I think the two have a lot more in common than they realize. Both avoid fast food, both eat real food, both want people to eat healthy food instead of fast food, processed food, added sugars and processed pro-inflammatory oils. You can eat some animal products responsibly. You can't eat McDonald's or fast food responsibly, it's bad for your body, bad for animals and bad for the planet. We all agree on that, it would be much better if we worked together. I should also acknowledge that one of the presenters on this channel speaks in a way that I find condescending and irritating. That probably affects my willingness to listen. If you still think there is information offered that would be beneficial for me I'll give it another go. Thank you.
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@oakstrong1 I get what you're saying but there is frequently a tendency on the part of vegetarians and vegans to demonize and or misrepresent keto/ low carb, high fat. They often misrepresent it as being lots and lots of meat when it isn't. Some of the videos on this channel have shown that tendency, a very strong vegetarian/vegan bias. For that reason I took the comment at face value. I'm going to watch the whole video, I'll give it a chance. You're right, it's not a religion and it shouldn't be taken that way. Also vegetarians and low carb, high fat people have more in common than otherwise. They differ on the topic of animal products but they don't differ on avoiding processed foods, processed grains, added sugars, artificial sweeteners, processed vegetable and seed oils that are very high in pro-inflammatory omega-6, and eating real food. They differ to an extent on what comprises real food. I eat eggs from pasture raised hens, dairy products from pasture raised cows, wild caught salmon and a limited amount of meat from grass-fed cows. But I also eat a lot of vegetables, greens, avocado, berries and a limited amount of organic beans and legumes.
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The throwaway comment towards the end where Jonathan smilingly talks about how you wouldn't just buy a bottle of wine without looking at the label as an analogy for buying bread was awful. Are these videos intended only for the upper middle class? In his universe, buying a bottle of wine is a daily habitual thing, the analogy came to him so freely. Can you imagine how that comparison would land for the vast majority? It's obviously tone deaf but it goes beyond that.
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Serious question, why do you do this? You post something that you know is incorrect in order to get a rise out of people? You've insulted people, you've been rude, I don't understand the point. What do you get out of it, is it a rush of some kind? I genuinely don't understand. You're wrong on the facts, but I don't think that's what motivates you.
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@StangspringDK why the occasional avocado instead of many avocados? Avocado is high in healthy fats. It's a wonderful food for low carb.
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@Anna What are keto sticks? Do you mean jerky or beef? I don't eat processed foods, most of them are not healthy. Is there a keto stick food that is good to eat? If so, what is it?
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@kst157 I think this is why you're being met with hostility. You are unwilling to acknowledge the validity of an obvious point of view and you keep coming back with additional comments. I've already said the conversation is over. I tried courtesy but you don't seem to be interested in that. The point being made was that Jonathan comes across as out of touch and condescending. Grocery prices are soaring, people are struggling to keep food on the table. If you want to offer advice, frame it in such a way that you are relatable, rather than lording it over the poors. A smug middle class white man sitting back and smilingly making an analogy about bread and wine is not relatable. Please note that I will not see any further responses as you are now muted. You would do better to be open to the views of others, double down less, think more. When people try to explain something to me, even if they seem wrong, I try to listen on the assumption that they might have something useful to say.
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@JoeyBlogs007 I'm not surprised you would choose to be rude to me also. Please don't respond further, you are muted. On a more serious note, think about why you do this. What you get out of it? What do you get out of being rude to people online? Is it a momentary thrill? I don't understand the impulse.
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Sourdough bread is made with a sourdough starter. It is fermented flour and water usually kept in a jar that you feed every day or every couple of days. The feeding process entails adding flour and water and discarding some of it so you don't end up with a huge amount of starter. Or using some of it. People sometimes refer to the starter as the mother. There's an entire (somewhat pretentious) jargon that has grown up around sourdough. It's not surprising, every interest group develops its own special terminology. Unfortunately that same jargon excludes others who aren't in the know. What you should avoid in the supermarket is processed bread and processed food in general. If the bread comes in a plastic bag, it's processed. Try to find sourdough bread that is made by a person or bakery that takes pride in making a healthier product. This is very difficult to find and extremely uncommon. For that reason most people who want to eat bread but also want to be healthy, end up learning about sourdough and baking in general in order to be able to bake bread themselves. That learning process can be fun and provide community but it's definitely a process. If you have time, even with the barriers to entry it's worth doing. There are some good books and guides out there that explain the process clearly and are more friendly to beginners. I don't have a sourdough starter. I was going to start one but never did because I try to avoid eating lots of carbohydrates in general. I love to bake though and good sourdough bread is incredible. A good loaf of sourdough bread has as much in common with supermarket bread as a fast food burger has with a filet mignon. If you have any questions or want anything clarified, I'm happy to help.
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@kst157 that has nothing to do with the comment he made which is correct. Framing the conversation in a less middle class manner would be helpful. Most people do not go and buy a bottle of wine with their bread. It was tone deaf and it struck me that way also.
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@kst157 I think you're missing the point. How an argument is presented affects how it will be received. If the person offering good advice couches it in such a way that it is tone deaf and offensive, it won't be received. It's great that you think Jonathan offers good advice. I hope that advice is indeed useful for you and beneficial. The point being made here was that in a time of scarcity with grocery prices going ever higher for a white middle-class man to sit back and make an analogy that does not fit the vast majority was ill advised. When we come across as privileged and out of touch, our advice, even if good, it's less likely to be taken. It is not incumbent upon us to be thankful. The people behind this channel make money from it. It is both reasonable and appropriate to point out issues that need improvement. I hope I've clarified this for you, either way the conversation is not over. Have a great day.
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@risenshine2783 I think you misunderstood the intent of the comment. He was making the point that with food prices so high and people struggling to put food on the table, casting the conversation in less entitled, less middle class terms is useful. How an idea is presented, the affect of the person presenting it, matters. Jonathan comes across with his smiling analogies about bottles of wine, as out of touch. It has precisely nothing to do with racism and everything to do with a certain tone deafness regarding how people are struggling.
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I think you would call James an expert, not an aficionado. There's a tone the host employs that seems to be oddly condescending. I am not familiar enough with him to know if it's intentional but it is distinct.
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Thank you for saying this. Every time he referred to espresso with an X in it I cringed a little. I also didn't like the way they talked to James. James Hoffman is an expert, he isn't an aficionado. The cutsiness and condescension were difficult to listen to.
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@tonyhawkins1258 I'm not vilifying him for being a white middle class man. I'm not vilifying him at all. I pointed out that the analogy he made was not a good one. These videos are intended to provide help and advice for the general public. How well do you think Jonathan's tone deafness goes over? We are post pandemic in a time of scarcity, the majority do not buy a bottle of wine with their bread. Coming across as a condescending ass, out of touch with reality is not a good look. Many professionals start out poor. People work hard and those are the people I would listen to. A white middle class man who is out of touch with reality, who frequently condescends to people he speaks to is not someone I would take advice from. Doctors, professors, researchers are not by definition middle class. When people work hard and attain a measure of security that does not mean that they should sit back smilingly and condescend in a time of scarcity.
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 @MrMadalien What is your source for this supposition of yours?
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If an individual doesn't already speak the lingo of sourdough bread they won't understand your comment. Someone above stated that he won't be putting his mother in the fridge. I clarified for him, explaining that a sourdough starter is sometimes referred to as the mother. It's worth paying attention to, to avoid excluding people who are not already in the know.
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Great comment. I hope that those behind the channel heed your suggestion. I am close to unsubscribing.
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@anneegan4251 what would you say it was then? There were several instances of him condescending and minimizing what James does. Calling him an aficionado instead of an expert was one of them. The way he talked in general was difficult to listen to, if he is a regular on this channel I'm not going to be.
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There are things that are helpful here but there is a lot that is not accurate. Most of us in this country eat far too much carbohydrate. There's no need to eat bread unless you really want it and do not have any issues with blood sugar. Second, the plant-based thing is fine but pasture raised eggs, for example, are a perfect protein. They're healthy, environmentally sound and if you get them from a farm where the animals are genuinely free to run around, they're also ethical. The idea that saturated fat is the source of overweight and unhealthy is wrong. Ansel Keys has a lot to answer for. The studies he did were cherry picked, excluded women and excluded countries that did not fit the correlation he was looking for. There's so much more to say on the topic of saturated fat but it would go beyond the scope of this comment. Suffice to say, saturated fat is not the problem we've been taught it is, sugars, processed carbs and processed oils are. Eat lots of healthy fats, eat good healthy protein, pasture raised eggs, grass-fed beef in reasonable moderation, wild caught salmon, plant-based proteins are fine but they are not equal to animal protein in terms of protein availability for us. Stay away from processed foods. This can't be emphasized enough. Stay away from processed foods, don't eat things like Crisco or sunflower or safflower oils, avoid added sugars were possible and this also includes so-called healthy alternatives like honey. Eat lots of vegetables, leafy greens, fermented foods, extra virgin olive oil, all of that is very good advice. Unsweetened full fat Greek yogurt from pasture raised cows is an excellent food, be sure it's from grass fed cows, otherwise you're not getting the same benefit at all. Cows that are fed corn, live in concentrated animal feeding operations, are frequently sick and fed antibiotics and growth hormones. You do not want to eat yogurt that is made from the milk of these cows. It's unhealthy for you, it's not healthy for the cows, it's unethical and cruel. We can grow food ethically without abusing animals and harming ourselves and the environment. You can go more plant-based or you can go with animal products, both work as long as you are getting enough healthy fat and good protein while staying away from processed foods, sugars, excess carbohydrates and unhealthy fats such as vegetable and seed oils. Also, eat what you enjoy as long as what you're eating is healthy. If you enjoy eating cauliflower then eat cauliflower. If you don't, then don't force yourself to eat things that you don't enjoy. I don't like cauliflower, so I will not eat it but I will eat brussel sprouts roasted in the oven. We have preferences and it's important to respect those. There's also a place in our diet for things that we enjoy. Celebratory foods can be eaten as long as they are eaten as celebratory foods, in other words have a piece of cake at a celebration but don't have a piece of cake everyday or every week. The problem was never eating special treats, but when the treats became what we ate at every meal, we started to become fat and sick. Our industrial food complex advertises things to us to try to get us to buy unhealthy cheap foods that are highly profitable. These foods also kill us. Stay away from them, it's better to fast than to eat a Pop-Tart or bowl of Captain Crunch. Edit: I appreciate the gentle approach, It's clear that this doctor embraces a plant-based approach but he doesn't proselytize for it. The low carb, high fat and keto communities have a lot in common with the plant-based approach in that both want people to eat real food and avoid processed foods, added sugars, unhealthy oils and other foods that create inflammation in the body. As the doctor says it's tremendously important to support your gut. I would subscribe heed a lot of the suggestions made here even while the approach differs slightly from mine. There is wisdom to be found here and I appreciate it.
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@mrscpc1918 The way I eat does not keep me in full ketosis, no. I'm keto adapted, my body will use fat for fuel easily but I'm generally not in full ketosis. I feel better with a slightly higher number of carbs. I tried to forego the blueberries and I didn't like it. I may try again though this month. I've been fighting something off and I haven't felt great. Perhaps if I duck into ketosis for longer it might help.
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@tonyneillaw Why be an ass? Yon't know what their situation is. You don't know the state of their health or if they live with an older person or someone who is immunocompromised. Something is very wrong when a person tells another to grow up because that individual takes reasonable precautions. It's wrong and ugly. You should do some thinking and while you do that, apologize.
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@risenshine2783 And here we have it. Garden variety troll. You're nasty to someone, I try to point out the reasoning and you default to "nah ah, it's you." Do a lot better. If you behave this way to strangers online, you aren't a kind or happy person. Please don't bother responding, you're muted. It's not worth my energy to engage with trolls. You don't have to remain one though, it's in your power to change.
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@L4LTVuk Do you think this video is intended for an Italian and French audience? I've lived in several different countries, I speak several languages. This is a valid point you're making but I don't think it applies to this video. I stand by what I said, Jonathan comes across us out of touch and his analogy could have been better made. Right now we are in a time of postpandemic, grocery prices are very high and people are struggling. Making an analogy that was slightly less upper middle class would have been advisable. You have no idea what culturally defines me, you might be surprised if I were to share that information. The point related to the intended audience for this video and how Jonathan comes across. Particularly now, with people struggling for food on the table.
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@L4LTVuk I think you're one of the people you are calling out. You see it frequently, someone criticizes others for the exact thing they are doing. The point made is correct. Many people are struggling, making an analogy that is quite so starkly upper class when the video is intended for a wider audience was ill advised. You are bending over backwards to criticize people for making an apt point. Pointing out problems that are easily fixed is not quibbling. Your perspective is odd, it seems that in the guise of defending the video you are looking for people to argue with. Please stop, it's tedious and irritating.
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@L4LTVuk No, you're tedious because you understand the points being made and you are willfully ignoring them in order to have something to argue about. It's tedious when a person understands an issue but then accuses others of doing exactly what they are doing. These are the issues that are tedious. Do better, try to figure out why you are doing this and address that.
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@L4LTVuk muted
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@ianallardyce4222 I found the guy hosting, the moderator, to be condescending. I don't know if it's because I have not seen him before but he kept making these little digs at James. It wasn't only the aficionado comment, he treated James as though he were some kind of cutesy fan of coffee rather than a professional who has spent years gaining his expertise. I know James Hoffman doesn't need me to defend him, but I had that impulse.
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@ianallardyce4222 I went and looked it up, it is very funny! Thank you for mentioning it.
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@oakstrong1 Are you addressing your comment to me? I have now said several times that the keto/low carb high fat and vegetarian or vegan community have a lot in common and should work together. These so-called gurus? Let's see, Dr Jason Fung, he's written several books, has been a respected nephrologist for a couple of decades and has saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people by reversing type 2 diabetes through diet. I assume you are aware that type 2 diabetes can be reversed in people? Some individuals who have done this have commented above. He has also helped hundreds of thousands lose weight and restore their health. Is that adequate? How about Professor Emeritus Dr Robert Lustig? He's also written several books and has practiced medicine for decades. Both are well respected doctors, not chiropractors, not gurus and neither of them sells supplements to the public. Neither of them have a storefront or take advantage of their influence. You can buy their books but they aren't the guru types you're thinking of, people who make a living preying on the gullible. Not exactly what you were expecting? Do yourself a favor and don't assume that everyone out there is an idiot who watches a video and then embraces the content of that video as a religion. The main point of the keto and low carb high healthy fat way of eating is to avoid processed foods, avoid added sugar, avoid pro-inflammatory vegetable and seed oils and reduce the abundance of carbohydrates in the standard American diet in favor of healthy fats, healthy proteins and vegetables. I have an advanced degree and I did my due diligence. It is irritating to receive a comment like yours that is based on nothing other than assumptions. You could have asked questions, you could have read my comments more carefully and understood my approach from those comments rather than assuming the worst. And yes, I do think that this or that person who is the leading this or that are absolutely subject to their own biases. In every discipline, every single one this happens. Further, there is no such thing as an ideal human diet. Some people thrive on a vegetarian regimen others do not. The fact that an individual is the leading Oxford whatever does not render them impervious to pressure and prejudice. The appeal to authority logical fallacy is an obvious one.
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@CathyDragon8 I disagree. Animal foods are healthy for humans if the animals are raised healthily and sustainably and without cruelty. McDonald's is a terrible example. Their meat comes from CAFOs (concentrated animal feeding operations) where the animals are not able to graze, they are kept in a small area, they are frequently fed growth hormones and corn instead of eating grass and getting sun. Because they don't live a natural life they get sick and are fed antibiotics. I won't eat anything like that and I won't support it. That kind of cruelty has no place in a healthy society. Eating meat from grass-fed animals is different and is healthy for humans. It is what we have eaten for millennia. Processed foods are unhealthy, unhealthy animals are unhealthy not just for them but for us too. The debate on eating animals goes beyond this conversation. I think some animal protein in moderation is acceptable, I understand that you may feel differently and I respect your point of view. I have been vegetarian at times for the same reasons. I think we can agree that animal cruelty should be illegal. CAFOs should be illegal. If you're going to eat eggs they should come from pasture raised hens that live a normal life. The eggs that come from conventional chicken farms are terrible, the chickens live miserable lives, they are sick, they don't get to go in the sun, they don't get to eat their normal diet and the food they produce reflects that. The nutritional breakdown of conventional eggs versus pasture raised hens is significant. It shouldn't be surprising that treating animals badly results in unhealthy animals and unhealthy humans. Where did anyone say that feta was a vegetable?
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@shelleybrookes8065 I don't think I said I was maintaining strict keto regimen. I do low carb high fat, I get a moderate amount of healthy protein and low carbohydrate. I generally keep it two under 50 g net carb a day. I'm not sure what your comment intended whether it was a question or something you wanted me to answer.
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