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@junkim5853
Never ever happened. You're confusing phony feudalist "socialist" countries, where the rich control you, with real socialism, where the people control you. No rent, no landlords, those are all made illegal, you own your home, period, no one can take it away from you, no eviction. Fuck with your neighbors and you go to prison work camp, if you don't work, then you get no food. Every time you do it again, prison work camp for longer. Everyone has to live someplace. Live in your own home, or in prison work camp. Your choice. Bullying is forbidden by the state, prison work camp, or death if you are a real problem. All serious wealth is confiscated. You may have personal property, tools, and keepsakes. You own your own home. If you don't seek employment at the employment department, then you get no food card and can't get public free food. You have free transportation, free public health, free water and power up to a certain amount, free telecom, free access to used goods at state agencies, free access to building materials for home improvements and hobbies and supplies for gardening. Free use of trucks and heavy implements as needed. Build yourself solar and battery powered small vehicles. Shut up and enjoy your life. Bother people and its prison work camp.
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@Qrzychu92
WRONG!! In my society people do PROPERLY laudable things that are shared among everyone. Not stupid feats of inefficient acquisition of other's homes, factories, etc. They own only their own home, nobody else's, and they must work for a living instead of luxuriating off money they connived to get unfairly. Money no longer exists. You earn labor hours credit on the govt computers. If you invent something you put it online and a following grows up around it, and those who copy it name it after you. You are famous, and encouraged to make more of such. If you want to trade your home and garden for another elsewhere, we have a government run home trading site, and if two of you agree, you can trade homes, straight across, no monetary consideration. If you need a bigger home, you add on rooms and govt will share expense of materials. You ASK for what you want from your friends and neighbors at Meeting. You want to live on a boat, you can if you can get them to agree. If you only want boat or plane sometimes, then you buy a share in a boating or flying club. The more the people work, the more they can get for each other. If you want more, sign up for more than your required work hours. While you're blabbing nonsense about Venezuela, which is a capitalist country,
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@Qrzychu92
No, dumbass, I want peaceful fair society where people are economic equals. If you don't want to work your job, come home to your family and hobbies and gardening, and instead want to connive ways to steal the possessions of others, their homes and their factories, then you belong in a work camp. THAT IS WHAT THE RICH DO!!
No, Venezuela is run by a rich cabal who stole all the oil money that rightfully belonged to the people and squirreled it away in off shore Caribbean banks. But the rich are being pushed into a corner by the people of Venezuela who are trying to take back their country from the oil profiteers who enslave the poor, and the rich there are screaming to our rich here to rescue them. And our rich are pretending once again that they want to bring "freedom" to Venezuela, when they really want to bring capitalist criminal power against the will of the people wanting to make things equal and fair.
No, labor hour credits can only represent actual labor. Money is artificial, and a phony connivance used to steal. Labor hours don't become profit, which is unearned money stolen from the workers.
You can't change my mind because I have discovered the truth about economics. Your notion that my way is "evil" is actually the real evil.
All a work camp is, is a productive prison, and the only people who belong their are criminals who don't want to work for a living, like the rich. The rich are nothing but successful criminals.
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@ravenousfire7798
It's exactly like any other felony. The Majority HAS THE RIGHT to decide WHAT RIGHTS we have, period, there is NO other such authority to do so! There are NO "natural rights", those are all excuses, like the excuses of "sovereign citizens" for their crimes.
You survive against predators ONLY because we protect you and LET you use OUR monetary system. The actual state of the world without US is STILL dog eat dog, kill or be killed, war of nature, law of the jungle. Without US you are a moment away from your property being seized by some gang, your wife and daughters being enslaved and raped, and you being killed. So you OWE US whatever we demand so that we can protect you this way!! If we say YOU must give so that the weak are protected, then you pay, or you will be OUTLAW, and we will throw you out of US to be prey to anyone who wants your stuff or your family!! That is the Social Contract. You never have to sign up for it, but if you don't do what WE say, you LOSE IT!! Included in the predators who will take everything you have, if you do not submit to our Democratic Socialist rule, is the rest of US, who will now be your enemies since you have chosen to be outside our protection!! Are we just the biggest gang then? Yes, we are, but we are Democratic. Join us, or become the victim/slave of any smaller gang who will likely be the farthest thing from democratic that you could EVER IMAGINE!! And THAT is the TRUE REALITY, you MORON!!
Libertarians are greedy immature adolescent simpletons. ALL rights are granted SOLELY by the democracy, awarding rights to one another based on what we each want for ourselves as well. Without the democratic government protecting our awarded rights, no one could be assured of anything, brigands could steal from you, rape your women, kill you. Law of the Jungle, dog eat dog, the War of Nature, as Darwin put it. For that protection each person owes the rest of us the costs of defending and protecting them. The People also realize that wealth inevitably steals by usury and investment without labor, and progressively robs the less able of their right to their very lives, homes, and property. Thus the very fiscal system which we set up among us to assist the lucky in their acquisitions, itself justifies additional cost upon the lucky and the proud. Thus the people, democratically, though this Social Contract, has the right to confiscate wealth beyond a certain level, in order to provide for the needs of the ill, the malformed, the ignorant, the elderly, and those being underpaid for their labor due to the greed and connivance of the lucky. Without this Social Contract, we would invariably see a vastly wealthy nobility occur and most of the rest of us be living in filth in the streets or become their serfs, servants or slaves again. Absolute rights of wealth and property which are beyond a certain socially controlled level constitute nothing but organized criminality. Thus, actually Libertarianism is nothing but only barely disguised greed and barbarianism. If you cannot devise a FAIR fiscal system by which to live wherein you will not know in advance your fortunate or unfortunate place within it, then you are simply dishonest and disingenuous. Nature is not fair, which is why we do not use the state of nature as our governance. We took over the world and defeated all of its predators and adversities ONLY by our affectionate mutual cooperation, and those of us who did not Evolve to cooperate together on the plains of Africa were eaten one at a time and are NOT our ancestors.
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Krzysztof Skowronek
First of all, USSR had "socialist" in the name.
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Names can be lies.
Second of all, people on farms were starving all over 2 continents, because police came and took food they produce to give for free in the cities - pretty much what you are describing. People who critised the system were killed. Like you want. This was s close to Real socialism as you get. And no, I don't like the idea of it. Even if it was just few pieces of your eden, I'm pretty sure sure that putting more pieces would only make things work.
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Democratic Socialism doesn't do that, only PHONY socialism that is actually capitalist feudalism with a class of rich people who own the Politburo do that. In a REAL Democratic Socialism, rich people are not even allowed to exist.
Also, do you really thing that scientists (by that I believe you mean people that do research on universities) push progress forward?
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Yes, moron.
Who made personal computers a thing? Private company.
Who made rockets that land automatically? Private company.
If you say that NASA took us to the moon, so what? They didn't use the possibility in any other way than sticking a flag into the ground. We should had a base on the moon for like 30 years now.
Who will make the first autonomous car? Private company.
Who made smartphones? Private company.
Who builds fastest possible computers? Private company.
Who builds MRI scanners? Private company.
Who creates new drugs, cures and vaccines? Evil big pharma, those philphy capitalists. How dare they.
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No, Technology made those things possible, comes from scientists who are not paid exorbitantly, and are not rich and glamorous. We would be MUCH farther along if we didn't reward rich drones who didn't squander it by sending Tesla Roadsters to the orbit of Mars, Also, NASA was a socialist govt endeavor, as was everything we got from it, from ICs to cellphones, to the Internet. Big Pharma would make what people need, instead of what they profit from the most, if they were controlled by the People.
Also in your, society, if my job is to clean floors, do I get the same amount of "work hour credits" as the guy runs some huge factory or invents new stuff? If yes, it sucks. If not, we are not economically equal.
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We are not equal in education, but in a Socialist society you would always have the chance to continue your schooling for free and apply for better more interesting work. But ALL our families have the same needs and the right to have those needs met, whether the parents are geniuses or not. That is why we must be paid equally!!
Also, am I free to leave your country and go and live and make money somewhere else or will I get killed for even thinking about it?
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Who says there will even BE other countries? Socialism may well finally take over the world. Then where will criminals like you run to? You may well be prevented from leaving. On the other hand the People may feel it is irrelevant if you leave, as long as you cannot take any of OUR wealth with you. Why would we want someone who doesn't want to benefit our society? Now if they were a doctor or scientist we might force them to train twenty or thirty others to their level of expertise before they would be allowed to leave.
Another thing, don't you think that when single government wants to manage (and has to based on your words) manage EVERYTHING there will always be some miss management?
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Not unless the People permit it. If it violates the People's will they will kill or imprison them. If they don't then the People deserve to be enslaved till they rise up.
Please, wake up, read up on history, read just the animal farm! You are describing animal farm almost word for word. You know that it is description of USRR, right?
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Do you even know who George Orwell was? His real name was Eric Arthur Blair. He was an ardent lifelong Socialist in the UK!! He wrote 1984 and Animal Farm as a protest and warning against the phony false un-democratic un-socialism of Stalinism.
I hope you will never have a chance to realise your dream dude. You are evil
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No, I'm good. Your distortion of the REAL truth is what is evil.
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@ravenousfire7798
There is no magical source of rights for humans, no gods, no natural laws, except other humans. ONLY humans grant rights to one another by promising to desist from ever opposing your rightful actions, and/or promising to protect them. Without that only the Law of Nature is in effect, that being dog eat dog, the War of Nature, Survival of the most Vicious. Without our Social Contract you might be killed and your property stolen and your women taken and raped by anyone. You might be attacked and eaten by predators or your body ravaged by accident or diseases we know how to treat. The ultimate source of all rights is the Majority Democracy, and the ultimate source of that power is the Social Contract. The Social Contract is that you can expect protection by our group from the war of nature only if you agree to do what the Majority wants from you in return. In other words you pay whatever we all think you owe us to sustain our society in its state of civilization by which you and all of us benefit. That can include caring for others less able, just as we would care for you if you were unfortunate. Your rights to our help and protection, in other words, include the obligations that we demand of you.
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@Qrzychu92
when I was talking about starving people, I didn't say anything about rich people - it was all normal redistribution as you would call it. Police came to take all the food that farms produces. If they found out that you fed your kids with that food, you were shot dead because that food is not yours - it belongs to everyone. To feed your children you had to wait until someone decides that it your turn to get "free food" - which it was almost never enough because they killed all people that were good at farming - the same thing is happening in Africa right now - they killing white farmers and giving the land to black guys. Still sounds like paradise? This happened, it does not matter if you will call it socialism or something else.
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That was NOT democratic socialism, dumbass.
No, technologies are meaningless without application. Right now we know how to make cold fusion, but it is too hard for us to build working reactor.
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I'm a physicist. Cold fusion is a stupid fraud. No, we do NOT know how to do that.
We know how to make Warp drive for spaceships - Einstein made it possible.
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No we do not, idiot.
As for jobs, you do realize that not everyone is capable of the same things, no matter of how long and hard they work, right? And why would I want to get "better job" if there is not such thing as "better job", just harder job? If I mop floors and can do all the things that guys running factories do, without the responsibillity and stress, why would I want to change my job?
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If you can't then you can't, but your family still deserves the same care and opportunity as everyone else. That should be ENFORCED!!
I don't want to talk to you any longer - we should stop when you wrote that you are more than OK with killing people for doing anything in opposition to your system.
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You're a moron. ALL societies kill people who resist arrest if they steal and interfere with the rights of others.
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@pearcake
That's what we do now, they're called laws, and you go to prison for violating them.
Selfish thieves go to prison. As for those who don't want to work, better to let people run around in the society till they get real hungry and then they recall they are supposed to get a job. This society spends almost nothing trying to stop drugs, if we really wanted to, we could, easily. You lock the borders and execute anyone found with drugs. They get the message fairly quick, but drugs are only a problem when people have to steal to afford them. Make them cheap or free and see what happens. If we see someone fucked up we lock them up long enough to get clean. Sooner or later they figure out how not to get fucked up to the degree that we notice them. It's just a form of training. In time, drugs lose popularity as people get tired of them, and tired of being hauled in and caged. Or we just let ODs die. Either their relatives will get tired of them, or take them to rehab cages for us.
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@nicwelch
There is NO such thing as "natural rights". You ONLY have rights because other people have given you, and themselves, those same rights by agreeing to protect you, for a price. The world IS ruled by the majority. Get used to it. Without the majority, the biggest gang, to protect you, you would be subject to the only true state of nature, kill or be killed, the war of nature, the strongest win out. Gangs would rob you, rape your wife and daughters, and torture you to death, or make you their butt-slave in chains. You would be stuck living under animalistic law. But if you join the democratic collective, and seek protection, you have to surrender whatever the majority want for the privilege of their protection. And you have to follow their laws, or else they cage you, kill you, or toss you out to the predator gangs and no longer protect you. This is called the Social Contract. Look it up. You obey the democracy, or you go outlaw and take your chances. Better learn to hide real good. And if you try to join some other gang, then you better hope they are democratic or else you again wind up as a cuckolded butt-slave to the warlord king, or dead. THAT'S the Law of Nature! The ONLY way out of the Law of Nature is to join the biggest democratic gang and OBEY them. and you had better be fucking GRATEFUL!! The portion of the population who don't want to obey will kill each other, they are criminals, and being with them is like being in prison! You don't DARE turn your back, NOT EVER!!
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No, it's a fact. I'm NOT saying that "nobody knows" and therefore my supposition is correct. THAT WOULD be an "argument from ignorance". I'm saying simply that no government so far has actually been Socialism, as I define it, which I can readily describe to you without any hairy-fairy pipe-dreams. And my form requires NO modification of the human character. You must simply make it so terrifying to cheat that nobody dares even think of doing it. Then cooperation grows as an ethic among a people who sees that it works. I know EXACTLY what strict laws are required by a Socialist government of the People in order to meet the definition of a Socialism. It has never before been tried by my definition, and I can be highly specific about what it requires. It has not even ever before been tried by the political science definition either, which is available in textbooks. Centrally controlled production of food was a disaster in the former USSR because it was corrupt from top to bottom and didn't enforce severe consequences on dissidents and subversives. The USSR was NOT Socialist, the Politburo families were a rich elite who stole lots of the production and sold it abroad to feed their craving for luxuries. Tanzania was a corrupt dictatorship with no interest in the people at all. When in WW II England absolutely forced farmers to grow more crops and their own vegetables for local consumption with harsh threats of confiscation of farms, the people did it just fine, producing in one year nearly twice the food they had produced the previous year. Control works, if it is absolute and corruption is weeded out by multiple layered investigation, confiscation, and torture and death penalties for defrauding the People. None of the events you cited was Socialism. Socialism is NOT theft, it cannot BE theft, it is stealing back what was stolen by the rich. You are a capitalist liar, you would be put to work in a work camp for spewing that nonsense. The robber doesn't GET to complain about having to return what he has stolen!!
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No, that's an out and out lie. You're the kind of shitty little devious capitalist liar who will say absolutely anything to disparage Socialism. Socialism has NEVER been tried, NO supposed socialism ever guaranteed homes for all, NO supposed socialism ever guaranteed equal wage per hour for all, NO supposed socialism ever guaranteed free health care for all, etc. If they did not do those things then they WERE NOT actual Socialism!!! Your merry little tale is nothing but paranoid blabber with NO principle, NO evidence, NO content at ALL!! Socialism has NEVER BEEN TRIED!! Corrupt dictators do NOT institute socialism!! Africans are uneducated, they don't have the savvy to grasp what they are getting. It takes an educated populace to force true Socialism, unless it is handed to them and imposed. The Brits did what they needed to do to feed everyone. They are a basically decent society that feels obligation to do what is needed to meet the real needs of the People. They not only carried that through in war, but for several years afterword to feed the rest of Europe!! You have been brainwashed with capitalist lies, you have no ability to discern their falsehoods. You were raised with a terror of collectivism bred into you by propaganda paid for by the rich!! They spent a fortune brainwashing people like you!!
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I have defined the prerequisites for TRUE Socialism. NO marketeer is "liberal". People know what is unfair. THEY decide what is evil. They all know it, they are just waiting for the chance to enact the measures to stop it! You "demonstrated" NOTHING. All you did was PRETEND that dictatorships and greedy elitist oligarchies were "socialism", when they NEVER met MY prerequisites. We haven't got a TRUE Socialism yet on this planet, but this planet is small, and time is long. All you've got is veiled attempts at insult, "hysterical screeching" "credibility" "shrieking and complaining", etc. You got nuthin'.
Painful for me? I'm a retired physicist, I won't live to see the planet go Socialist, but it will, baby, oh it will!!
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You assign enough people to it and enough advanced equipment so that it isn't that hard. Or else you divide unpleasant jobs among everyone equally, each block gets to drive the garbage truck to the next block, picking up that block's garbage along the way. It is assigned by day. People with no education need work to live. Eating is an incentive. The jobs that are on the board that the People want done are the only way to get a meal ticket or buy groceries, otherwise they starve. This has always been so. Encouragement, incentive, when it finally comes down to it, is starvation. Housing is free, it's yours forever, as is health care, transport, a certain amount of power, telecom, but if you refuse to work no one is allowed to give you food, on pain of torture.
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Now you're repeating yourself, trying to get an answer you can use against me. Futile. Another way of hiding behind your question, the oldest dishonesty around. Read my answer for comprehension this time, instead of phrase-mining for your net come-back.
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You assign enough people to it and enough advanced equipment so that it isn't that hard. Or else you divide unpleasant jobs among everyone equally, each block gets to drive the garbage truck to the next block, picking up that block's garbage along the way. It is assigned by day. People with no education need work to live. Eating is an incentive. The jobs that are on the board that the People want done are the only way to get a meal ticket or buy groceries, otherwise they starve. This has always been so. Encouragement, incentive, when it finally comes down to it, is starvation. Housing is free, it's yours forever, as is health care, transport, a certain amount of power, telecom, but if you refuse to work no one is allowed to give you food, on pain of torture.
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No, it doesn't need to be centralized. Jobs are performed close to home, so the local community decides what they want to pay to have done. The features of the requirement to work are universal truths, they don't depend on the economic system. If people don't work, they don't get food, been true since the paleolithic. Why did you imagine otherwise? Did you imagine I was some fool who thought everything could be FREE, FREE, FREE, like some SJW bozo? The difference between capitalism and socialism is that there are no rich and there are no poor, and the formerly rich starve if they don't work just like anyone else. I have no problem with starving people, and if someone interferes with that righteous process they DESERVE to be tortured. It's subversive of the Socialism. That's how we got the rich, letting people not work!! No, the torture in capitalism is merely subtle and not specified. The "freedom" to sleep under a bridge in the rain, etc. People never know whether they will starve to death or whether they can rob someone else and get away with not working. This encourages crime and unfairness. This is the heart of desperation. Better to know exactly what you must do to be secure and safe. You don't need monolithic states, you can have lots of communities that do all these same things. It's like a big tribe, you do your work or nobody feeds you. Pure? Not MY claim. There isn't any such thing. TRUE Socialism merely meets the requirements of the People, not any elite. Once again, you've blabbered a pile of brainwashed nonsense and imagined that you're intelligent. You're not.
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All a matter of degree. Europe is sociallized, more than socialist, but they are on the road. Yes,here, the upper 30% of the population seems to be hail and happy. They get to buy pretty much everything they want, but at the expense of the rest of the people. By the People, I mean the deprived, the victims of this theft, usually a majority in severely capitalist countries. You can stop blabbering about "the People" now, you only sound stupid. Many socialized medical systems in Europe either pay malpractice insurance from a fund, or strictly limit awards and judgments and use professional courts instead of economically angry juries. No, you have no "long lines" there. In the NHS you can get an appointment today or tomorrow, try that with US specialists, a month to two months out!! We need MORE physicans, time to take the quota off medical schools and force them to take all comers.And yes, the next thing that need to be stopped is private inequitable medical care. Take what is paid by the rich for that, with confiscatory taxes, and use it for the national health. I've seen the stats on migratory physicians, just as many US doctors go to Europe and socialized medical systems as come here imagining to make out like a bandit. The statistics deny that they come for the pay, usually electing to work in public health. New tits? Should be illegal except for restorative purposes. No government should subsidize unnecessary surgeries. If we have a problem with doctors leaving, we can alter our system of educational credentials to make it impossible for them to be apprised by another system. Or, as I said, make it impossible to take any wealth with them. We can also train more doctors, but at a less specialized course of study, or divide up the specialties differently, or train more specialized physician's assistants and surgeons specialized in only specific surgeries, like the NHS does. This has reduced "doctor flight" in recent years. We can also close the borders to doctors, under national security edicts, or force them to completely train a cadre of replacements before they are allowed to leave. We don't actually want greedy subversives, corrupts the national honor and character. We'll let them go and import immigrants who share our ideals.
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ALL systems, ALL governments, ALL that ever have been or ever will be, require their imposition by FORCE!! Humans are imperfect, but their lives can be MADE nearly fair and almost perfect by the imposition of LAW and ORDER!!
We can permit breast alterations, but only at home by amateur untrained personnel, that should make them unpopular quite quickly!!!
Zimbabwe isn't socialist, don't you know that? They failed to institute it or confiscate land or wealth. Do YOU want to live in a country where they reuse needles? No wonder they come to the UK.
http://www.solidarity-us.org/node/4616
I have seen lots of doctors come here for the standard of living, and the level of medical technology, not so much for the pay. I know several doctors from the US who tried private practice and quit in disgust and moved to Europe where they work for government health services. The NHS is amazing, literally every person with a traumatic injury gets a CT scan. in the US that is maybe half. Standard of care far exceeds US standards. They intubate at the scene, we don't, they anaesthetize at the scene, we don't, they reduce pneumothorax at the scene, we seldom do. They have doctors on most of their ambulances in the cities. We do not!
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No, Socialism murdered no one. There has NEVER BEEN a fully Socialist government, and Europe has come closer than all others. The nations you cite were NOT socialist, they were oligarchic feudal capitalism. They did NOT do what a Socialism would do, they did what a greedy elite does in any kind of repressive society. They did NOT meet the People's needs, they weren't Democratic, the People were not guarantees the things they have a human right to, they were not paid equally for their hour of work, and they were subjugated by a rich elite in all of those cases. Their oligarchic masters merely CLAIMED they were socialist in order to deceive their people. And the USA gladly played along, our rich elite wanted to label them socialist when they actually weren't in order to scare OUR people away from socialism!! ALL societies require compulsion, the issue is to what end, fairness, or unfairness.
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Those are all different. A few former Soviet bloc nations are STILL Socialist and their people quite happy with it, like the best places in Europe. Nobody seems to know that, Americans especially. Vietnam is very happy with its government, their constitution was designed after the British government by Ho Chi Minh, who the US called "communist", but he was no more extreme than the British liberal PMs. He just wanted the greedy Europeans out of his country. The Vietnamese are the ones who ended the Pol Pot regime!! Cuba never had much of a chance against the US efforts to destroy them,, but they instituted urban farming and fed their people VERY will in spite of the US blockade. Also, they supplied doctors and hospitals to most of south America. They still do! Venezuela was NEVER socialist, Chavez and his cronies shipped all the nation's oil wealth offshore into unregulated Caribbean banks. I haven't researched the others. But in each case cited by the insane right-wing, there was NO socialism in place. Only dictatorship and underpayment of workers, and the dictator and his henchmen running off with the loot. If the right-wing couldn't find a "failed socialism" to point to, they would have to create one so they didn't look stupid.
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"tedius"? Why is it that people who can't think also can't spell worth a shit? Oh, yeah, that's why!
Political Analysis does NOT involve Marxian dialectic, that's old hat. ALL you have to do is get them to ask the questions: Why aren't I owed a share of the earth to live on, I was born here like everybody else??!! Why do I have to pay rent or mortgage, monthly tribute, to some asshole who was born just as squalling and stupid as I was in the same delivery room?? Why can't I be paid the same as anyone else, my family has the same needs!!?? Why can't I get govt paid healthcare, I can't work when I'm sick!!?? Why can't I get free education, I can't possibly do a decent job before I'm educated?? Why can't I get a decent retirement, I did my bit!?? Etc. Once people realize that they have the choice to gang up on and kill the rich in their sleep they want a machine gun!!! Venezuela is a feudal oligarchic capitalist dictatorship, quit trying to jam it in illegitimately as some kind of proxy "socialism" for your stupid right-wing nutbar strawman arguments!!!!
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Don't need to be alike, that's what Socialism is good for, TREATING them all alike in right to a decent life even THOUGH they are different, AND providing them with what they need when they need more than another. It's in jibe with "equal before the law" even though we know they are not equal in reality.
The ONLY "failed socialisms" around the world have been PHONY socialisms that were NOT socialisms but were controlled by rich fascist oligarchies who only CALLED themselves "socialist" to deceive their people!!
WHEREVER you permit private disparate wealth to exist and control society, you will find phony socialism, phony welfare, phony fairness, this is why the wealthy should be given ONE and ONLY ONE chance to divest their wealth to the People's Government, and if they do not they should be immediately shot through the head.
Look at socialism in Europe, for example, the more it is applied and developed socialistically, the more satisfaction quotient of the people for the government and society rises higher and higher!!!
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Capitalism is efficient at funneling all a nation's wealth to a very few, and leaving its people publicly destitute. The improvement in living conditions in the west were NOT produced by capitalism, but IN SPITE of it. Finding a brand new untrammeled "unowned" continent full of timber and mineral and soil riches galore and taking it away from less able indigenous people by massacring them would allow ANY system of government to make it seem like it was the best thing since sliced bread, for SOME FEW. Any "serious economist" is either a rich bastard or a sycophant to rich bastards. Asking them if capitalism is good is the same as asking a wolf how sheep taste!! Making THEFT from victims by the rich and powerful illegal is a GOOD THING(tm). You don't seem to be defending "liberty" or "freedom" but instead LICENSE!!!
Freedom and liberty are ACTUALLY:
1) To own one's home by fiat of the communist people's government, without ANY fear of ANY kind of taxation of it, regulation upon it, or of eviction or confiscation!!!
2) To be guaranteed absolutely equal pay per hour of work for every worker. To be guaranteed a job or the state pays you a wage if they do not provide a job!!
3) To be protected from illicitly accumulated wealth and unfair economic leverages of the wealthy by ALL unearned wealth and speculation and all investment and usury being made illegal.
4) To be guaranteed health care, equal retirement wage as if working, equal disability wage as if working, telecom, power, police protection, fire protection, higher education, and public transportation, as a right of all citizens!
5) To be guaranteed an equal vote in all local government meetings, and be guaranteed that all government officials be shadowed and all their decisions signed off by examiners who examine
everything they do and report to the body politic about any devious actions.
6) All exorbitant wealth accumulated to be confiscated by the people's government for public works needs denied the people by the wealthy in the past.
Now THAT'S Freedom, Liberty, and Security!!
The ONLY reason this has never been tried is that the people have never managed to wrest the seat of power from the rich yet. The rich know that endgame IS THEIR END!!!
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Communists know MORE about how capitalism works than capitalists do!!! That's like telling an atheist that he just "doesn't know enough about the bible", it's desperately desperately ignorant of you!!! We KNOW the explanations, we simply disagree with them because of the vicious outcomes all capitalism produces! You assume everyone is a free and equal agent, they're NOT. You assume that everyone is free to bargain to get a good price, they AREN'T!! The way you describe capitalism it should result in everyone being equal with equal opportunities, and it DOESN'T!! WHEN it DOESN'T you blame the victims for being "lazy" when there are many totally accidental life circumstances that have the same result, and there is no proof anyone is "just being lazy" when they aren't and have instead been dealt a bad hand in life and are a victim of that. Wealth is produced by labor, end, full stop. It is NOT produced by "transactions", that's pure nonsense. Products do NOT come about by anything BUT human labor hours!! People can be criminally victimized by being forced to sign contracts as well, by need or circumstances, and you ignore that. It's as if you deny a person robbed with a gun was doing other than making a willing contract with the criminal that he pay not be shot!! It makes you obviously ignorant and brainwashed by the simpleton's capitalist brainwashing in the public schools!! Do you know who has spent billions pushing to get their way in school textbooks to get their little economic catechism of pseudo-voluntarism and capitalist incentive-investment-profit lie jammed into textbooks??? THE RICH!!! Great cadres of them!! Look it up!!
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ryeable The biggest complaint about housing the poor seems to be that they won't take care of the place because they don't care about it, resent the process that put them there, and the remote landlord who collects high rent so they can never save anything back. These housing projects become hovels outside the apartment door, and inside, as nobody believes it their job to clean it up and protect it.
But if you give them that one decent home that is their free and clear, that no one may take away from them, and they may not have another one in their whole lives, they are stuck there, and they will either develop pride of place or live in the squalor they permit.
Some may fail, but most will not, they will have a home to build their life from. So you see, it is NOT a matter of the impoverished BEING impoverished by their own improvidence and sloth, which is the right-wing distortion of things, but by not being allowed control and security in their lives.
Landlords have long know how to diminish people using money in order to control them into cash cows paying monthly tribute, and what it does to their souls and their children. We have to stop them.
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ryeable Irrelevant, it is the correct view of what is fair. Unless you give people their inherent right to live on the earth they were born on without owing you money per month, otherwise you have become a brigand, enslaver, a bandit, a criminal. Whatever people are is just not your fucking business. You were not put on earth to make sure they pay you money for land you had no more right to than they do. ANY claim you make that you "own" their house, residence, domicile, makes you a criminal enterprise and degrades their life for your benefit. It is theft, it is absconding, and it is WRONG!!
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ryeable No, he can't think outside the box of acquiring the property of others illicitly. Capitalism started when the people of a village sent their produce to market with one guy who was supposed to trade for what they needed for them as his share of the work. But the guy cranked up his prices and then only paid the villagers what he didn't want to steal for himself. Later, petty thieves called barons used this ill-gotten wealth to buy up supplies of needed things and gouged people for them, while they didn't work a lick. Later, the powerful barons enslaved whole villages and made them serfs. The baron, born no more magically deserving than the rest of them, nevertheless had the gall to suggest that he was blessed of god, and that everyone should do as he said or be thrown off "his" land to starve and freeze. Every bit of capitalism and where it came from was a criminal endeavor at every turn, a dishonesty, a theft.
The future is coming where no one will be permitted to claim to "own" another's home, no matter what excuse. The future will come when people will be paid exactly the same per hour no matter what their job or status, and anything else will be a felony. The future will come when scams to avoid work like capitalism and investment will be barred from existence. It is coming.
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virgule888 You are a LIAR!! Everything you cite about human nature has been disproved. When Utah started giving the homeless homes, they immediately began to get off drugs, clean themselves up, and look for work or training. They HAD thought they would have to develop expensive programs to do this, but it happened spontaneously MERELY FROM HAVING A HOME THEY COULD COUNT ON!! It is when you end harsh unmanageable consequence that people flourish and begin to take charge of their lives. People need to see a positive improvement to their lives from working, and then they will do it.
And industries that are run BY THE WORKERS are more profitable and productive, this has long been seen, but they must have a personal and equal stake in their work. As long as CEOs are paid fabulous fortunes by depriving workers of much of their efforts and products, they will NOT be productive or care if they are.
Socialism can give people these opportunities and the security to build their life up. It does so by protecting their homes from eviction, removing the tribute of rent or mortgage, and handing over residences to the people whose ancestors built all of it, and therefore is their rightful inheritance of he earth. Socialism robs back the ill gotten gain of the rich to its rightful producers, and forces the now former rich to find productive work to live.
Socialism is NOT the welfare state, the welfare state is demeaning, and it was invented by the capitalist rich to prevent the people from dragging the rich out in the street and guillotining the lot of them. Socialism is restoring fairness and controlling the economic realm by democracy.
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@sallybaddeley6060
No, Democracy is the means of deciding, it is Democratic. Democracy is NOT an economic system, contrary to American propaganda. The system is economic equality, enforced by the People and their Democracy. You work the number of labor hours the People mandate as the minimum to get free food, all other govt services are free. If you want more stuff, you sign up for more labor hours. We decide that democratically, as a group. Everyone owns their house and yard which no one can evict them from or take away, till they die. There is NO rental. You are given a house at adulthood. They cannot be taxed for property. Homes can be swapped on a state website. Straight across with no incentives or inducements. Tax is removed prior to payment for work, labor hours are adjusted down to cover all public obligations of the state, The People have the obligation to support the ill, disabled, elderly, and children. Incentive has never been required for scientists, they work typically at a basic level of income. They are the kind that if Science didn't pay, they would do it as a hobby. Difficult jobs are assigned to larger numbers of workers who check out heavy tools from govt stores..
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