Comments by "" (@rstevewarmorycom) on "Abortion: From Controversy to Civility | Stephanie Gray | Talks at Google" video.

A fetus is NOT a person, it does NOT THINK, and that is the core of being a person! Things that think are persons, things that do not think are PROPERTY, the woman's property which she can dispose of. Forcing a woman to remain pregnant is organ enslavement, same as if you forced her to give blood or donate an organ or be forced to be a blood surrogate to someone with kidney failure. The zygote/embryo/fetus is a human LARVA, it is alive, it is human, it is growing, but it is NOT A PERSON and HAS NO RIGHTS!! A fetus is NOT a "baby" or a "pre-born child"! No, Science does NOT say that human "Life" begins at conception, it says it is cellular life begins, with a small "l", and not human experienced Life with a large "L". it is unfortunate that English doesn't use different words for the two. The reason the Holocaust was evil is that it tortured and killed PERSONS WHO THINK!!! Abortions are NOT comparable in any way to a Holocaust. We kill cellular life all the time, we kill germs and animals to eat. But the only human Life is that of a thinker. not something which has never had a single thought. You know fetuses do not think, your body was a fetus, and if you claimed to remember being that fetus, people would ridicule you and you would lose credibility. Everybody KNOWS they did not think as a fetus. Anyone who tries to enslave a woman to a pregnancy should be taken out and beaten to death the same as someone who captures women and keeps them enslaved in a cage in their basement!! You religious SHIT are NOT going to win this one, despite all your efforts and your subtle tricks to deceive us and twist logic with words. The belief that a "soul" enters the conceptus at conception is a religious SUPERSTITION that is NOT supported by anything BUT that rank unfounded delusion!! And people who no longer believe such religious trash should NOT be oppressed by it.
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Post-abortion women suffer only if they have been deceived and deluded by religion. A fetus is NOT a person, it does NOT THINK, and that is the core of being a person! Things that think are persons, things that do not think are PROPERTY!! The woman's property which she can dispose of. Forcing a woman to remain pregnant is organ enslavement, same as if you forced her to give blood or donate an organ or be forced to be a blood surrogate to someone with kidney failure. The zygote/embryo/fetus is a human LARVA, it is alive, it is human, it is growing, but it is NOT A PERSON and HAS NO RIGHTS!! No, Science does NOT say that human "Life" begins at conception, it says it is cellular life, with a small "l" and not human experienced Life with a large "L". We kill cellular life all the time, we kill germs and animals to eat. But the only human Life is that of a thinker. not something which has never had a single thought. You know fetuses do not think, your body was a fetus, and if you claimed to remember being that fetus, people would ridicule you and you would lose credibility. Everybody KNOWS they did not think as a fetus. Anyone who tries to enslave a woman to a pregnancy should be taken out and beaten to death the same as someone who captures women and keeps them enslaved in a cage in their basement!! You religious SHIT are NOT going to win this one, despite all your efforts and your subtle tricks with words.
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@SleepySylvanians Your jeebus never existed. Your god is a figment of your imagination, prayer doesn't work unless you make shit up.
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@IWasOnceAFetus That's just Bart's opinion. Look where he works, ya think someone didn't take him aside and warn him not to ever say jesus never existed? Be a shame if your nice professorship went away. EVERYTHING else he has shown is pro-atheist, but he won't make that one final leap. Carrier took him to task about it, and now he won't talk to Richard or debate him.
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@atticusmarak1866 No, that's a lie, I have a list of 8 other PhD's in history and bible who agree with him. I want to see if Bart goes atheist in a few more years when he retires.
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@IWasOnceAFetus A "majority of scholars" aren't, they're people whose income and religion requires them to ignore the utter lack of evidence for the jesus story on pain of losing their positions. David Fitzgerald carefully researched that fact. I won't believe anyone with a religious or economic stake in this question. I KNOW there is NO evidence jesus ever existed.
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@atticusmarak1866 No, Carriers work confirms my own suspicions long held and researched. It surprised me too when I realized it was all a fraud.
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@atticusmarak1866 Oh I disagree with Richard on some things, I think a cabal of Greek speaking rabbis wrote the gospels to try to revive Judaism around a hero archangel Yeshua from Daniel because jews had given up on their god when the temple was destroyed in 70 CE. They thought god couldn't live anywhere but his "house". So they hijacked Paul's angel jesus cult and euhemerized jesus as someone on earth. They even show him breaking the news to jews that the temple sacrifice cult was ending. Then had him make one grand sacrifice to again attain heaven and sit with the father. ALL of the torah was nothing but lies anyway, why not one more?? Even Daniel was an illegitimate forgery! Now RIchard doesn't think it was engineered, but I DO! There are NO "sources" that have not been messed with by the early church in various factional power grabs. There IS NOTHING to check that can really give us the truth. But an actual god could have MADE his word safe to us, and no such god ever did, because HE was fiction as well. You see, your "primary sources" are all lies, bound to be so.
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M I think that if you do that your life won't be worth a plug nickel. Now YOU tell me why that would be so? 1) It's no longer a physical burden, 2) they wanted it so they let it be born, 3) you destroy something somebody wants and they will HURT you. 4) The society will kill you. 5) We're superior to animals and other unthinking things like fetuses, but not babies. They are us, fetuses are NOT 6) the mother already had her bite at the apple of getting rid of it, it's too late. 7) it is no longer an unwanted assailant into her body. Und so weiter.
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M No, you're deranged by your religious superstition and insanity, which is why it seems wrong to you. Fetuses don't think, that is why we can kill them if they are unwanted, because non-thinking things are property. Babies are the property of the state till they grow a mind at 2-4 months of age. They are then protected by the state as a human person. They no longer invade the woman's body so she no longer has a claim to destroy them. Makes perfect sense if you realize the bible and the US christian religion are stupid and wrong.
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M No matter how you duck and dodge, your religious superstition that some "soul" exists in a zygote/embryo/fetus is dangerous deceitful poppycock. A non-thinking object is the equivalent of a rock. It can be broken or destroyed as desired. You and everyone like you KNOWS that when your body was a fetus that you didn't think. If you claimed you remembered being a fetus you would be ridiculed, labeled a liar and lose all credibility. Trying to mislabel a human body with no mind a "person" is nothing but deceit for a religious end. Anything that has no human mind that thinks is property, NOT person. Trying to gaslight people into condemning me for telling the truth is a common religious deceit tactic.
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@vladislavp.8731 People asleep or in coma, which is just unconsciousness, have established their personhood previously. They are protected by our laws because we all want such protection for ourselves, so we grant it to any previously thinking person. A person exists until and unless several licensed physicians over several days of many tests adjudicate a state of brain death. DNA identity as the human species doesn't matter. An amputated arm has that as well. Living tissue extracted has that. Only personhood matters, and that is established by thinking. Yes, the USA is deranged religious nation. It is coming out of it over time, the number of atheists/non-believers have now exceeded the number of evangelicals, who are the main problem. That's why the religious are going crazy, they can't get their way anymore, and it is making them retreat into greater and greater delusion. Christians are heading toward insanity. Christianity is delusional and superstitious. There is NO rational basis for anything it holds true. Nobody on the atheist side are evidencing growing more depressed or suicidal. Most atheists say they have never felt better, more free, and more aware of the world and its benefits. They recall when they were religious and how bad it was for them emotionally. They are glad to be free of it. Meaning is a human invention. We make it, nothing else makes meaning. We define our own life purpose. We don't just accept being brainwashed with someone else's purposes for us. Goodness and ethical morality Evolved on the plains of ancient Africa, as we Evolved from the apes. Those who had affection for, and were cooperative with other humans survived better, those without that were eaten by predators, one at a time, and they are NOT our ancestors. THAT'S Natural Selection. There is NO source of absolute morality, since there is no god. Instead, because we are the same species, our personal subjective moralities we inherited genetically are all quite similar, with some variation. That similarity creates the sort of an objective morality that we share. Guilt and shame are defective damaging emotions, they are caused by trying to live up to a standard you don't really believe in, deep down, and your cognitive dissonance between the two produces the "angel/devil" on opposite shoulders syndrome that christians are burdened with, quite schiophrenically. Atheists don't have that. We recognize our own personal morality as our own idea, and so we naturally want to do moral things. We take full responsibility for our actions, AND our thoughts!! Now OUR morality may differ from yours, quite a bit, but we have no problem with ours, whereas yours violates real human nature and so you're constantly conflicted by yours. Christians have all sorts of guilt and shame around sex and masturbation and different sexual desires that were not customary in this society in the recent past, whereas atheists have no such guilt or shame. We see all sexual desires as normal and natural, and we live them out and enjoy their pleasures. No, our morality IS our purpose, and our meaning to our lives, and your notion of "purpose" seems stilted and artificial to us. You keep imagining some "god" gives you purpose, where we see NO god whatsoever. To us, your "right and wrong" are distorted versions of natural inherited human morality.
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@timed8794 Human but not a person, not a being, a being, a person, thinks, or it is NOT one.
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@timed8794 No. Not till 2 to 4 months does their personhood come in.
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@timed8794 Only when they are fetuses. Once born our laws protect them because they are no longer an invader into the woman's body.
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@timed8794 When a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, the fetus is just like a rapist, and she has every right to kill it. Same as a man not wanting to be an organ surrogate or having his organs stolen or used without consent. The two facts, non-personhood of the fetus, and bodily autonomy for the woman, makes killing it justified. Doesn't matter a shit that it's how we get here.
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@timed8794 Those are NOT "babies", they're non-thinking fetuses, literally human LARVA. We can kill them at will.
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@danedds1068 No, in Latin, Fetus means "hatchling" but refers to an unformed offspring in the mother. Our modern term means an unformed offspring in the uterus. Puer and Puella mean boy and girl, not used till the child has survived a few years. Nobody is "obfuscating" anything. Fetuses don't think and are thus not persons. NOBODY recalls when their body was a fetus, proving that fetuses can't think.
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@danedds1068 Anything, in Latin, from an egg to a lizard to a chicken, to a farm animal.
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