Comments by "coolmodelguy" (@coolmodelguy6304) on "David Pakman Show"
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@Dave C - Thanks for the question. Of course we have to acknowledge that a hard wealth cap has never been applied to capitalism, so we are talking about theory. The part that is not theory is that money is both the power source and the lubricant in every modern economy.
First we have to look at how the results of economic output are distributed and how that affects overall economic output itself.
I'm sure most people know what a water tower is. We have several in our small city. Big tank of water sitting high up in the air with a couple of pipes going from the ground to the tank. One pipe is water being pumped into the holding tank. When that tank is full, it represents our annual GDP. The other pipe is connected to all the surrounding houses and businesses. When the system is operating properly, we all have good water pressure. What happens when there is a break in the main distribution pipe? The water pressure in the surrounding area goes down and everyone gets less water.
Using that analogy, convert water into money. We have a big hole in the main distribution pipe which distributes the gains from economic output. The difference here is that unlike the water main break, this was no accident. The main distribution pipeline for our economic output has been tapped and diverted, filling up a huge swimming pool of money for those who tapped into the pipe (the 1%, CEO's executives on corporate boards of directors, etc). The result is there is less money to go around for everyone else.
So now lets say we dispatched a economic pipeline repair crew and they found the tapped line. Do you think we should just leave it alone, they asked themselves? Naw, lets hack off that tap line and repair the pipe, restoring normal flow to everyone. The repair is a hard wealth cap.
What I am talking about is capping the amount of money anyone can capture and store as wealth. If Jamie Dimon got paid $250,000 per year instead of $18 million, there would be over $17 million per year that J.P. Morgan/Chase could use within the company.
Since these high paid CEO's currently employ an army of accountants and tax experts to avoid paying taxes, a wealth cap would eliminate the need for such shenanigans and taxes would normalize somewhat over all personal income tax brackets.
Now I'm not saying that a hard wealth cap alone would solve all problems. We need to change our tax structure so that companies are forced to keep their capital inside the USA and not be able to use tax haven countries to hide their profits, that would instantly increase tax revenue. The bigger potential I see for a hard wealth cap is most easily seen in the real estate market. With a wealth cap in place, speculation in the housing market for profit would slim down and no one would be able to buy a $40 million estate unless they got the whole family together to do it. Financialized capitalism would have all the air let out of its sails. We would not be preyed upon for profit nearly as much and perhaps there would not be $30 trillion in 1% idle wealth seeking a 5% or greater annual rate of return on a $20 trillion annual GDP which is only growing at 2.5% per year (which is economic cannibalism).
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@Dave C - Because we have gone down this neoliberal path over 40 years, increasing tax rates on high earners will not have the mechanical effect needed to save the economy from cannibalization. You keep arguing the "undesirable effects" clause, but the "undesirable effects" have been here for some time and things are already worse overall than you think.
Economic growth is currently a myth. I just don't understand how you can be missing what the math tells us already. Let me try to spell it out very plainly.
U.S. GDP = $20 trillion with a growth rate of 2.56% ($560 billion in growth)
$30 trillion (minimum) in invested funds seeks a rate of return greater than 5% ($1.5 trillion in interest payments)
Subtract $560 billion from $1.5 trillion and you get $940 billion (1,500 - 560 = 940)
Just to pay the 5% interest it take all the GDP growth ($560 billion) PLUS $940 billion directly out of the economy.
The problem is that to satisfy interest requirements, $940 has to be sucked out of the economy. The way its done to hide its true nature is to raise prices on health care, housing, energy, etc and call the higher prices by a "product" of the economy. This way the extraction gets hidden inside the GDP and the population remains ignorant as to the causes of their distress.
We don't have economic growth. What we have is economic contraction so that the wealthy can get paid their free money and they lie to us about it.
You really need to get your head wrapped around this. Undesirable effects are already here my friend and I am no longer being fooled. Apparently you ARE still being fooled. Go through the math and tell me where I am wrong. The problem is larger than what I lay out, the 5% interest a low estimate for demonstration purposes only. The real interest rate is 7% to 9%, which is cannibalizing our economy at a much faster rate. If we are going to get out of this, then the 1% is just going to have to sacrifice their wealth and become ordinary.
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@Dave C - Look up the historical interest rates for the S&P 500 index funds, hedge funds, mutual funds, real estate aggregate gains and average gains since 1995. There is no single source, but the information is easy enough to track down. It requires you to make some lists, write down some numbers and do the math. You can do math, yes? You have not disputed my math so I'm assuming you are able to check this out for yourself.
Look, I am a 58 year old late stage boomer with two adult daughters. I am conservative by nature, you have to be to raise some decent kids. Three years ago I began looking into the economy because things are not turning out the way we were taught. Bottom line is that the economy is not its own animal, it is a product of a political story. All economic forms are born, they thrive and then they die. We are in the death throes of capitalism, where capitalism is cannibalizing every economy.
You think the GDP will go to shit? News flash, it already went to shit and it in the rotting phase. Let me tell you what is real. Every reform is eroded and destroyed by the wealthy. That is why Medicare for All, free college, the $15/hour minimum wage, all of these reforms are useless unless the tools to dismantle those reforms are removed from the economy and from politics. What most people are doing is what I call "looking in the wrong end of the telescope". Have we learned nothing from FDR and the New Deal?
You are correct, I haven't even shown this to be a potential solution to the problem, because it is not all one problem. I pointed out what can be done to solve a great many problems. Have you considered what a wealth cap would do to real estate and housing? Have you considered how salary distribution would be altered in corporations with a wealth cap in place? Have you considered the potential for more worker owned companies once it is understood that a small minority can no longer manipulate company finances to enrich themselves? The list goes on and on.
This is a manifold issue. Take for example an engine with fuel injection, how well do you think it would run if #8 cylinder received 20% more fuel than the other seven? It would run, but it would run like shit and break down often. So why treat an economy like that?
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Ariel D - That blame on the rich is well placed and exactly where it belongs. The wealthy have been buying politicians who write the laws that benefit the wealthy exclusively. Capital gains taxes and Carried Interest taxes are well below the rate paid on the same level of income earned through actual labor. These are loopholes created exclusively for the wealthy.
If I or any ordinary citizen worker were to propose a new law to my Representative or Senators, it would have the same chance of passing into law as does static noise. Not so for the wealthy, who have laws passed to benefit themselves over and over again . . . as in the Republican Tax Scam Law of 2017.
Meanwhile, with wages stagnant and costs to live over the past three decades tripling on the bottom end, putting together the means in which individuals can start their own businesses has gotten exponentially more difficult. Not so for the Walton family of WalMart fame, who use our taxpayer money to supplement not only the building of their stores, but also to supplement the bottom feeding wages they pay by putting their workers on food stamps and Medicare. Furthermore, they put all other local small businesses OUT OF BUSINESS by using their unfair advantage of extreme wealth.
When are you people going to stop defending the indefensible double dipping that the wealthy create for themselves through the political use of their wealth?
Now is the time to tax all wealth to the point where one can live a life of luxury if you have earned it, but one can use wealth to alter votes that do not belong to you. It is time for an Income CAP and a Wealth CAP TAX, enough is enough already. Tax it all so that it puts an end to the pervasive lies, liars, cheats and thieves . . . including liars such as yourself who act as Guardians of the System that gives the wealthy more than they earn or deserve.
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