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  8. I'd like to share the chilling thing I heard yesterday was about the reasons behind the rush for Kavanaugh confirmation. Lots of shiny things have been dangled to distract us . . . . but there is one case the Supreme Court agreed to hear which may disrupt the dual sovereignty of State and Federal Courts and the republicans want Kavanaugh seated before this case is heard. The Gamble vs United States case is about a felon with a robbery conviction, who upon being pulled over by the police, was found to have a firearm in his possession. Terance Martez Gamble was then charged by both State and Federal prosecutors with being a felon in possession of a firearm based on the single incident. Apparently he was convicted by both prosecutors and received an extended sentence. Upon appealing his conviction, Gamble claims double jeopardy and the case has made it to the Supreme Court. (The double jeopardy I am familiar with is that once acquitted of a crime by jury of peers, that crime cannot be charged in court a second time. Being charged by both the State and Feds is perfectly legal.) Long and short of this, if the Supreme Court decides that this is double jeopardy . . . then a state could not charge a person for something the Federal Government has charged a case on. This mucks up the system and could keep someone like Paul Manafort from being charged in State Court . . . where the president's pardon power cannot reach. The republicans have long held that "states rights" are sacrosanct, regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with. Trump and the republicans want Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court in time to hear this case, and Kavanaugh will most certainly throw "states rights" and the 10th Amendment right out the window. It is not just about the presidential pardon powers, deciding double jeopardy in this case will muddy the waters so much that the Federal Government will feel free with this as precedent to interfere whenever they want to block State's affairs and decisions. This is a very dangerous case for a so-called conservative majority Supreme Court to be deciding. The so-called conservatives are really corporate shills, and corporations are slobbering all over themselves at the potential inroads they can make by usurping state law in favor of corporate law. The 10th Amendment is written so that powers not specifically granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution are reserved to the States and to the people. Corporations have been using the courts to strip away rights from the people for decades and grant rights to the corporations over people. A double jeopardy finding in Gamble vs the US would be a gift, a genuinely corrupt boon to corporations. Kiss democracy good-bye with a single Supreme Court decision. Notice how we have heard nothing about this at all from the networks, corporate media is too busy presenting us with other shinier objects.https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/trump-pardon-orrin-hatch-supreme-court/571285/
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  41. Try to wrap your mind around this number . . . 21 TRILLION dollars in federal debt. What concerns me is this question: What has 21 trillion dollars in debt bought for the American people? When I look around, I'm not seeing any shiny new infrastructure. When I look around, I'm not seeing people around me being better off than they were 30 years ago. Where did all this money go? Oh yeah, to pay for endless war and fat contracts to the military-industrial complex. Oh yeah, when Wall Street and investment bankers overextended and crashed the world economy, we bailed them out. Oh yeah, tax cut, extra tax cuts and . . . more tax cuts for everybody except the average working American, and those tax cuts never generated new and better paying jobs for the American people. Now imagine what 21 trillion dollars could have done over 30 years to improve our schools and infrastructure . . . but wait! Capitalism does not need any more educated young Americans to employ in factories, because we don't have factories any more. Capitalism especially does not need new roads for all those workers to use to get to their high paying manufacturing jobs, because capitalist shipped those jobs out of the country. So where did all that money go? Into the pockets of the very people who are screwing the American people. Lets not forget that once Wall Street and the investment bankers were bailed out, jobs were cut, homes were seized, pensions were drained, in other words the American people were twice screwed from both ends. I say, tax them until they bleed because we want our money back!
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  73. Bill Gates 2% annual wealth tax on $20 billion would be $400 million. No one of his stature would settle for less than a 5% rate of return on his invested wealth, so even after he paid the 2% his net worth (at 5% RoR) his fortune would still grow by $600 million. The problem no one is talking about is this: The 1% have over $30 trillion in idle wealth which they "invest" for a rate of return. There is also $28 trillion in retirement savings which is also invested for growth, which must be a RoR over inflation and fees. I don't know how much of an overlap there is between the retirement savings and the 1%'s accumulated wealth, so for the sake of simplicity, lets ignore the retirement savings in the following math which illustrates the problem few seem to grasp. Our U.S. economy is just shy of $20 trillion in annual GDP with a growth rate (in 2018) of 2.56% The 1% are "investing" at a RoR of over 5%, (S&P 500 index funds have paid over 9% since 1994). That is $30 trillion seeking a rate of return in a $20 trillion annual economy. The economy GDP grew by $560 billion in 2018. The RoR on $30 trillion at 5% is a trillion and a half dollars ($1.5 trillion) Can you see the problem yet? To pay the 1% their RoR, all of the GDP gains for 2018 are eliminated, plus an additional $940 billion skimmed directly out of the economy. This is done by raising the price of health care, housing and whatever else can be used by financial institutions to extract wealth from us, all the while calling that extraction "product" or "production in the economy". That extraction from us is actually counted by these criminals as part of the economic growth for the year. In reality the economy is shrinking, the numbers are being skewed to hide this from us. What we really need to do is dump this 2% on wealth tax, instead we need to put a hard cap on accumulated wealth for individuals and corporations. This much . . . no more. This whole "incentives" argument is bullshit to cover up the scam they are pulling on us. I say we cap wealth accumulation at $10 million, that is plenty to live a life of luxury and it will stop wealthy people from buying our politics and shaping government policy.
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  75. I'm 57 years old and a lifelong voter. My affiliation started with republican, in my 30's I went to democrat and in my 40's I registered as Independent . . . which I stayed at until the Justice Democrats came along and now I affiliate with democratic JD. When a viable progressive third party emerges, that is where I am going. This new progressive party will have a solid base if it can sprout in the toxic wasteland that is the American political landscape. Two things have to happen if we are to emerge from this nightmare. 1) Corporations must be decapitated and made illegal, so that the free enterprise written about in the Constitution can once again take their place in the economy. The Founders were anti-corporation because they had vast experience dealing with crown sanctioned monopolies like the East India Trading Corporation. 2) There needs to be a minimum income and . . . a maximum income, along with a cap on the accumulation of wealth. All of humanities problems with each other stem from the power hungry wealth hoarders. Face it, we human beings simply do not function in the best interests of all people when we accumulate more than what is needed to live a luxury lifestyle. Hunger for power takes over and we are living in the nightmare that results from 12,000 years of trickle up economics feeding the megalomaniacs. Any excess income and wealth generated by individuals and companies has to flow back into the society which enabled that wealth to be created. Experience has shown that the "free market" makes horrible decisions, far worse than what right wingers accuse the government of making. (Plus if you think government has made horrible decisions you are correct, and if you look deeper you will find in every instance private corporations were behind the scenes pulling the puppet strings. So really, the free market corporations are always responsible for government decisions.)
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  111. Why can't we address the real elephant in the room? With all of our intelligence, no one seems to understand that every system has limits and yet we still seem to think that unlimited wealth accumulation is just fine! All you need is basic math skills to understand how dangerous the notion of unlimited wealth is . . . and the source of the danger is compounded interest. Take the nice round number of $30 trillion currently owned by the 1% now and apply a conservative interest rate of 5%, that $30 trillion doubles to $60 trillion in 14.4 years. In 30 years it will be $120 trillion and in 45 years the total will be $240 trillion. At 45 years out, where exactly is that $210 trillion in earned interest supposed to come from? Add to this situation that the wealthy are not investing in the real economy, they are getting their interest payments out of the financialized economy . . . which means they are taking it from us and looting the U.S. Treasury to achieve their rate of returns. The wealthy have been and continue to loot the wealth of all nations. Right now 17 international wealth funds are holding $50 trillion in "investment" capital, in 45 years that sum will be $400 trillion dollars. Where is all that money in interest payments going to come from? Look, it is simple common sense to place limits on systems. Do you have a pressure pot without a steam release valve? No, that would be stupid. Can your car engine achieve unlimited power? No, that would lead to catastrophic engine failure. There is example after example in the natural world and with virtually every human construction that there are limits beyond which disaster is the imminent result. The same is true with wealth accumulation. I don't know how people can reckon that unlimited wealth accumulation is a natural outgrowth of capitalism . . . yeah, it is if you want economic collapse as the intended outcome. Get real folks, we can never achieve even modest political goals or societal stabilization if we are unwilling to place limits on wealth accumulation. Besides, after a certain point . . . it is pointless to keep accumulating more than a person or their family could spend in 1000 lifetimes.
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  120. Remarkable how the federal government has empty pockets for funding no-cost college tuition, or fully funding health care for our citizens, or fully funding our needed infrastructure upgrades, or fully fund a jobs guarantee program, or funding to end homelessness among U.S. citizens . . . especially for the 60,000 homeless veterans. Remarkable that for anything morally or economically uplifting for our citizens, the U.S. federal pockets are empty, yet . . . Wall Street needs bailing out, or the military needs greater funding for endless warfare, or corporations need tax breaks and the federal government will bend over backwards and run up huge federal debt to accommodate that! What have "We the People" gotten in return for 21 Trillion dollars in accumulated federal debt over 45 years? Absolutely nothing. Something has to change people! Not just a Blue-Wave folks, something else has to fundamentally change. We have a minimum wage, now it is time to put a maximum cap on individual and family accumulation of wealth. I'm not talking about taking away all of our "embarrassed millionaires" right to earn those millions . . . but come on now, be realistic! How many of us has ever seen five million in earnings over a lifetime of working? If you earn $50,000 annually . . . the most wealth you could possibly accumulate over a working life of 30 years is 1.5 million dollars and that is only if you saved every penny and paid no taxes! If the rest of you folks are like me, I have no problem capping all family wealth accumulation for a lifetime at $50 million dollars with a 95% inheritance tax to avoid dynastic wealth accumulation. That comes out roughly at $1.75 million earned after taxes annually. Virtually every single problem facing us as a human society has its roots embedded in those very few of us who are morbidly wealthy. With the exception of asteroid strikes and possibly earthquakes and volcanoes, every single problem we have stems from accumulated wealth in the hands of very few human beings. Eliminate that morbid excess that with a simple wealth and earnings cap, then most of our problems will disappear and many others will find logical solutions that were being stifled by wealthy individuals who wielded power far in excess of the ONE VOTE they are legally entitled to.
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  127. This racism and other-blaming was all brought to the surface and promoted by the very wealthy and industrial capitalists over 40 years ago, who needed a convenient narrative to obscure the neo-liberal agenda to create the modern Kings and Serfs society. . . which they knew would strip most Americans of their assets and wages over the past 40 years and accelerate the stripping over the next 40 years. This racism narrative is how they are hiding their action from all of us. Here is what we really need to be concerned with: The Macro Economic Scales. Right now 17 international wealth funds have $50 Trillion in their portfolio's seeking a rate of return. Even at a paltry 5% rate of return, it will only take 14.4 years to double. That is $50 trillion in "free" money gained in 15 years. Where is that going to come from? Certainly not from the legitimate "productive" economy, no . . . it will be "extracted" from all of us and from "regime change" countries. It is time for us to back public policy that puts a hard limit on wealth accumulation, because the appetite of "rate of return" investments cannot possibly be met. When you extrapolate out to 45 years, the $50 trillion of today will becomes $400 trillion. That means $350 trillion dollars gets sucked out of the planet just to pay interest. This is beyond unsustainable, it is destruction, disaster, rape, murder and plunder rolled into one ugly ball. You ever see what happens to a rooftop when too much snow accumulates on it? Collapse. The modern narrative of racism and other-baiting is meant to obscure the nature of the coming collapse. The sheer mass of that much accumulated wealth is going to collapse everything world wide . . . and we have to stop this. Time for an income and wealth cap, it is the only way we can manage this outrage.
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  133. There was a time when Ronald Reagan was a true progressive, he actually made speeches which any progressive today would recognize. Then there came a time in his successful career when he became co-opted by right wing fanaticism because of his own greed. He wondered aloud why he should continue to working, when after six months labor (if you can call acting "labor"), most of his earnings went to the government in taxes. At the time Reagan was musing about this individual income tax rates for the top income bracket were at 91% and 92%, out of sight compared to the present day. He stated that he would be better served spending the last six months of the year on his ranch riding horses. Well, riding horses is exactly what Ronald Reagan should have done. Let another actor have the chance to play that leading man role. Furthermore, the patriotic thing to do was to keep working and pay those taxes willingly to support the USA and all the USA could accomplish with those tax revenues. Instead greed overtook Ronald Reagan, greed that overwhelmed the sense of abundance he should have carried in his heart, greed that eventually corrupted and threatens now to topple this once great country. Exactly how much money does one person need? If Ronald Reagan had enough money to have a ranch and horses by working only six months out of the year, is that not enough for one person to have? This idea that our society can only function when a small segment demands more and more at the expense of the remainder of our society . . . that idea is the symptom of a terminal illness within our society. There is no reason for the wealth concentration pervasive today other than greed. Does not the Bible say something about greed and avarice? The idea of a cap on wealth and income is a healthy one for the society of today. Every person can live well enough, even a life of luxury . . . without the need to accumulate more than could ever be spent in one human lifetime. It is time for us as humanity to grow up, before the idiots of avarice poison the necessary life giving natural systems on OUR collective planet to the point where no living creatures can survive. Once a certain level of personal annual income and accumulated wealth is achieved, any surplus generated needs to be gladly handed back to the society that enabled that income and wealth to be generated in the first place. Attitudes need to change about this topic . . . immediately.
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  141. Remarkable how the federal government has empty pockets for funding no-cost college tuition, or fully funding health care for our citizens, or fully funding our needed infrastructure upgrades, or fully fund a jobs guarantee program, or funding to end homelessness among U.S. citizens . . . especially for the 60,000 homeless veterans. Remarkable that for anything morally or economically uplifting for our citizens, the U.S. federal pockets are empty, yet . . . Wall Street needs bailing out, or the military needs greater funding for endless warfare, or corporations need tax breaks and the federal government will bend over backwards and run up huge federal debt to accommodate that! What have "We the People" gotten in return for 21 Trillion dollars in accumulated federal debt over 45 years? Absolutely nothing. Something has to change people! Not just a Blue-Wave folks, something else has to fundamentally change. We have a minimum wage, now it is time to put a maximum cap on individual and family accumulation of wealth. I'm not talking about taking away all of our "embarrassed millionaires" right to earn those millions . . . but come on now, be realistic! How many of us has ever seen five million in earnings over a lifetime of working? If you earn $50,000 annually . . . the most wealth you could possibly accumulate over a working life of 30 years is 1.5 million dollars and that is only if you saved every penny and paid no taxes! If the rest of you folks are like me, I have no problem capping all family wealth accumulation for a lifetime at $50 million dollars with a 95% inheritance tax to avoid dynastic wealth accumulation. That comes out roughly at $1.75 million earned after taxes annually. Virtually every single problem facing us as a human society has its roots embedded in those very few of us who are morbidly wealthy. With the exception of asteroid strikes and possibly earthquakes and volcanoes, every single problem we have stems from accumulated wealth in the hands of very few human beings. Eliminate that morbid excess that with a simple wealth and earnings cap, then most of our problems will disappear and many others will find logical solutions that were being stifled by wealthy individuals who wielded power far in excess of the ONE VOTE they are legally entitled to.
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  147. The American middle class blossomed while very high tax rates were in effect. Look at the highest tax bracket during the Eisenhower Administration, 91% to 92%, an amount that seems outrageously high today. Yet this did not make the rich turn poor in 1952 to 1960, and our schools, highways and hospitals were adequately funded. Now we have 55% of the Federal Discretionary budget going to pay for a bloated Military/Industrial Complex, exactly what Eisenhower warned the U.S. people not to allow, for fear the power of such an institution would corrupt our nation. The highest tax rate for 2017 is 39.6% of income. The defense of the U.S.A. does not merit 55% of the Federal Budget and 39.6% income tax is too little to ask of our most well off citizens. Our economy has already been hollowed out by the neoliberal politicians from Reagan to the present, and by the industrialists who thought workers had gained too much power through their unions. With the global export of jobs from the U.S.A., expanding automation (what need for truck drivers once self driving trucks become reliable) and the continuing lowering of Corporate taxes (socialism for the rich), this budget sets the stage for the military to eventually be used to suppress our own disenfranchised people. What did our Men in Uniform fight for during World War Two? The crush the Tyranny enveloping our world. We are facing a tyranny of oppression now from within our own government, where most of the Congress represents their political donors over the actual U.S. voters. What would those fighting soldiers of WW2 think of the U.S.A. as we have now allowed it to become?
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  151. xWIN? LOL - Bill Gates. It is interesting that you would focus your attention mostly on him and the comments I made about him. So let us "go there", and talk about Bill Gates. However, first I want to address your comment on GDP. You are in error regarding "GDP is dependent on people working and jobs". That was true forty years ago, it is no longer true. Today the GDP includes "economic rents", which ties in nicely with Bill Gates. Today the GDP also includes transfer of wealth. Neither economic rents or the transfer of wealth are a measure of economic growth the way people working and jobs are, yet they are included in the GDP. So the question must be asked . . . why? I'll answer that question in my conclusion. First item: economic rents. Bill Gates makes real earnings on his products and services, yet they are a very small percentage of his "earnings". When Bill Gates looks at his income for the year, perhaps in preparation for doing his taxes, part of the income is real products and services. The greater percentage of his "earnings" come from economic rents in two distinct forms. The first form is the fees he charges on every transaction between people and companies which are carried out using Microsoft proprietary software (not talking Windows here). He is currently pressuring the government of India to adopt the Microsoft online transactions platform exclusively, which will get Bill Gates alone several billion annually. This is not just selling the software, which he does. It is also an additional charge tacked onto every transaction which serves no productive purpose, it is essentially a parasite living off of a host. There are a tremedous number of "economic rents" which people all over the world pay to a myriad of persons, corporations, and entities, rents that once again . . . serve no productive purpose and extract wealth from the economy, yet they are counted in the GDP. Second item: transfer of wealth. What happens when a pharma company raises the price of Insulin by 500%? The answer of course is that the consumer pays the increased price. In this transaction no new productivity is contributed to GDP. Yet the extra profit to the pharma company is counted in the GDP. All that happened in this example was a transfer of wealth from the consumer to the pharma company, there was no actual productivity growth involved. Now you must be aware of the increased cost of housing over the past decades. This is another example of transfer of wealth. A house standing on a lot is worth lets say "X" amount in the year 1990. Over the years some small amounts have been invested in the house to maintain it, yet in 2019 that house and lot sell for "X" multiplied by four. Why? The house is still essentially the same, so what has changed so much that its value has increased? Do workers make more money, therefor the demand for housing goes up with the worker wages? No. Worker wages are flat during this period. The answer is twofold, speculation and the banks. Speculators buy houses with cash and no one lives in them, that makes the market tighter and increases prices with no production increase. Banks lend for mortgages on now more expensive houses and make "bank" on the interest charges or they bundle and sell the mortgages as securities. Both bank practices extract existing wealth out of the economy but do not increase productivity. All three of these real estate practices are counted in the GDP, even though they transferred wealth and produce nothing. In conclusion, the measurement of GDP now must include economic rents and wealth transfers, in order to convince the public that the economy is growing . . . . when it is actually shrinking. Both economic rents and transfer of wealth are extractive practices, they contribute nothing to the real economy while expanding the wealth of the 1% and shrinking the wealth the rest of us have. Your comments about Bernie are interesting and totally wrong, that is a whole other comment reply. First lets see how you try to wriggle your way out of confronting the GDP for what it now is, a propaganda tool for the republicans who for forty years have cut taxes over and over . . . . claiming that it would all be made up in expansive economic growth, THAT NEVER MATERIALIZED. If the rich want to move to another country when we raise their taxes . . . good riddance. They don't contribute in the manner you claim, they are in fact . . . . parasites.
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  160.  @Mrbfgray  - Must you always fall back on the oligarch talking points? "Fixated on "someone else having it easier" than you"? Really? You cannot even communicate without leaning on some propaganda talking point. What I feel is anger, that so many good people have been subsumed, so much so that you cannot even communicate outside of a framework that is bought and paid for by billionaire think tanks and media. Did you even comprehend the numbers I outlined in my first post? No, you did not. You skipped right over them and started assigning blame (another oligarch method of divide and conquer). You may not think so, but you are fully indoctrinated (noun: a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group). By being indoctrinated, you hurt your neighbors, your family and society. I suppose you blame the homeless for their plight as well? Not even thinking about how every time housing (a capital asset) goes up in value, rents also go up. Housing has increased in value by 10X over the past forty years, but wages have not. That increase in value is theft from the pockets and wallets of a working class that has not even had their wages doubled in real terms over the same time span. Crime? Same cause, you cut the economic legs out from people and you will get rising crime. You, because of your "beliefs", are hurting fellow Americans, because you believe the garbage people like Kevin O’Leary spew, yet you never actually research what he says. Pathetic.
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  174. Mike Bloomberg, and all oligarchs for that matter, have convinced Boomers (my generation) and those before the Boomers, that is just fine to sacrifice the future of OUR children and grandchildren. Modern capitalism is a con game, as best illustrated by a quote from Michael Hudson's paper titled "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four Thousand Year Overview. Part 2." "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Today, the top 20% have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Using the same 5% interest rate, the interest payment alone on those financial assets would be 13.41% of the 2018 U.S. national economy. Since the economy grew at far less that 13% in 2018, this means that the interest paid to the top 20% was EXTRACTED from all of us. For those interested in Michael Hudson's paper, here is the URL: http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  180.  @aimwilliamson6609  - Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  208. SupaDr00g - Reading your comments, I perceive a person who has completely succumbed to capitalist propaganda. Your mind is stuck on a single track . . . that an alternate economic system which eliminates the billionaire class could not operate because the incentives to excel would no longer work as they do with capitalism. Your arguments fail here because you seem to be ignoring what human potential has to offer. Have you ever asked yourself what income or wealth level is enough for any human to live in the best of luxury lifestyles . . . without passing the threshold of taking away the voting power of your fellow citizens? What we need to focus on is a minimum income AND a maximum income level for all citizens, including a cap on wealth accumulation. The cap on wealth accumulation will short circuit the creation of morbidly wealthy individuals who use that wealth to magnify their one legitimate vote into millions of votes through the funding of propaganda. The difference in the income spread between the minimum and maximums will allow for plenty of incentive for the individual, while the wealth accumulation cap will eliminate the tipping of the political scales because no one will have enough money to do what the Koch Brothers are doing in the present day. So you see, if you use your innate abilities to think outside the box . . . solutions are possible without the dire consequences your programmed perception blinders lead you to believe. Have some faith in humanity my friend.
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  216. We have socialism right now, been going on for decades. It's called "Socialism for the Wealthy". You know, the comments here are rather strange. Yes, there are more homeless people here than in any other state. Why? Because the weather is survivable all year round, it has nothing to do with political ideologies. California roads are not the best to be sure, yet as my daughter departed her state due to divorce, she noted that the roads that were not interstate highways were exceedingly bad in every state until she arrived here. I'm going to point fingers here, "you people", who write all the snide comments about "Commieforna" and the democratic politicians here, yet you are blissfully unaware that you are being manipulated. This video is manipulating you. John Stossel is not an unbiased reporter. His Fox Business show "Stossel", aired viewpoints on individual freedom, free market capitalism and small government, all very common in the American media. Yet what most people seem unaware of is these are the talking points of billionaires, whose purpose is to use propaganda in pursuit of power. The homeless issue is not a product of political positions, because it happens regardless if a democrat or republican is in power. Homelessness is a product of growing wealth, when large corporations buy up whole neighborhoods, driving up costs of home ownership for everyone and driving those less able to cope onto the streets. The wealthy cleaned up in 2020, with financial assets gaining almost ten trillion dollars. I believe the entire reason Trump never responded to the Covid pandemic is because corporations wanted to fire millions and re-hire some of the fired workers at lower wages. Stop blaming the politicians and political parties, while they are not saints, they are not the ones in the drivers seat. Use your common sense people, wealth cannot get bigger while millions lose everything, not unless something fishy is going on with our "elite" wealth holders.
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  219. Zevin X - I concur with your statement. As I began to carry out my own personal investigation of "our economy" two years ago, I was unaware of Karl Marx and much of what you commented on. When my investigation concluded, I was able to clearly see how capitalism and specifically the behavior of the USA after World War One clearly played a major role in provoking WW2 and all the carnage that followed. The death toll of capitalism is horrendous and dwarfs all the contradictory propaganda being fed to us about how deadly socialist and communist regimes have been. What I also have to acknowledge is that the early forms of socialism have been fraught with what I will define as "teething pains of social engineering". As an engineer I have designed and built many machines. Every single machine has a developmental arc and no machine comes out perfect on the first try. The cries of capitalism supporters that socialism is so deadly are never tempered with the acknowledgement that these were the first attempts in a much longer developmental arc which has yet to play out. We are still slaves in a system that has over-matured to the point of placing all of us in mortal danger. This planet is a closed system, which can no longer tolerate the whims of the purely selfish minority. We have to recognize that greed and the lust for power are the greatest enemies of humanity . . . and thus do what is necessary for us to survive. The power and greed must be put under the yoke and made slaves to the greater will of humanity, it really is that simple to understand. The difficulty is the will to do so.
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  223.  @sarathompson2035  - We might not have a two party system much longer. The republicans are fracturing and the democrats are very nearly doing the same. Funny thing, our two party system, both the DNC and the RNC are private corporations that don't actually listen to anyone except wealthy donors. Therein lies our solution, we as voters must stop electing the candidates with the most money in their primary campaigns, because if we don't, then we are truly stuck. I'm not yet holding my breath about ordinary people knowing, that they need to pay attention to who gets elected, but I have hope and I actively inform people of the simple root cause of our collective problem. The point of view I have developed is recent, I'm nearly 60 years old and I just started figuring out how dreadful our political and economic system is about three years ago. So far I have distilled our problem down one source, the morbid toxicity of accumulated wealth. The simple math does not lie, demonstrated by using just one section of accumulated wealth, privately held financial assets. In 2019 there was over $90 trillion in privately held financial assets, growing at an averaged rate of 5% annually. All of that asset growth is supposed to be generated by our economy, but how can it when the economy is 1/4th the size ($21.5 trillion) and over the past thirty years has grown at an average rate of 2.56%? Because of this imbalance, nothing can ever get better in the future. Wealth will continue to grow, while the bottom 90% wilts on the vine. How we change things is first to INDIVIDUALLY understand the magnitude of our economic situation (because politics is all about the economy at it's core), and then spread the word. It really is up to you and I to change our world. If you understand what I have written here, then you have become "plus one" more person ready to change things. Spread the word about this. Wealth and debt always grow faster than the economy. This has been well know for over three thousand years. We the people, over the past forty years, have been fooled into believing the biggest economic hustle, con job and scam in human history. There are a lot of reasons why we have the system we have, with no bottom and an unlimited top side, all of them meant to keep a small group in power over everyone else. There is no rising tide that lifts all boats. I am an engineer, so I can tell you that an open ended system always fails by blowing up, breaking apart or running out of fuel. This is the system that accumulated wealth protects, so if we want to escape it we must close the system or break it. January 6th shows that our system is breaking, so if we don"t want that to happen, we must vote in people who are not part of the existing wealth parties.
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  230.  @BenisBoy14  - Ok, I just watched this video. First of all, Prager U is a propaganda channel set up by Dennis Prager. While his videos are very appealing to conservatives, they are highly skewed. When I refer to "progressives", I'm not talking about the way households or local governments are run. I'm talking about how the federal government is run and the way the wealthy gain more wealth. We run our household with conservative methodology. Local and state governments must operate using a conservative methodology or they will go broke. That is not the way the federal government or those with excessive wealth operate. There is a distinction and a difference. The federal government creates money and can never go broke. None of our federal tax money is used to run the federal government, all of the federal government operating expenses are covered through congressional appropriations and spending bills signed by the president. Spending bills signed into law are the check, and the U.S. Treasury can always cash the check. The federal government chooses to sell bonds, though there is no requirement for this, it is a safe haven for savings because the federal government can never go broke. Our federal tax money is used to retire older bonds, but the reason the federal debt keeps going up is because taxes have been lowered over the past four decades for the higher income and wealthy citizens, so there is not enough taxes coming in to retire bonds. Of course there are other reasons for the federal debt going up, useless wars, bailing out banks and Wall Street, subsidies to industry, etc. However the main reason we have a federal debt is that the U.S. government is the source of all currency and if that currency is withdrawn by balancing the budget, we would be in perpetual economic depression. Those with excessive wealth (I consider the wealth of Dennis Prager to be on the low end of the excessive wealth scale), use this type of propaganda to advocate for low taxes for the wealthy, by trying to equate themselves with a middle income conservative household. They are nothing like a conservative household. The exponential growth of compounded interest creates wealth by extracting it from the very conservative households this propaganda is appealing to. Look here, there is an example of the accumulation of wealth put forward by a 1700's philosopher that I like to use. The economist Michael Hudson translated his writings into U.S. currency so we could understand it. If you took one U.S. penny at 5% compounded interest, and started it in a savings account at the birth of Jesus Christ, by the year 1750 the value of that initial penny would be over 180 earth size globes of SOLID GOLD. This of course, is completely unsustainable. By issuing this kind of conservative propaganda, the wealthy elites are trying to obscure from us the way they grow their wealth, not from hard work and effort like you, or Elon Musk, but from extracting wealth from all of us, so they can get compounded interest based on their already immense accumulated wealth. The same thing happens when you get 20% of the population who have accumulated wealth 2.5 times our annual GDP, the compounded interest being paid on that accumulated wealth can only be gained by extracting wealth from the bottom 80%, but even then, there is a limit. This is why since late September of 2019, the Federal Reserve has been pumping liquidity into the banking system like mad. The world is running out of money to pay interest to the wealthy. Central banks all over the world are pumping currency into the banking system, and that currency is being borrowed by corporations and the wealthy seeking a greater rate of return in the stock markets. That is the entire reason the stock markets are booming. Being progressive in the modern era means putting a stop to the over-accumulation of wealth, because it is simply unsustainable. It is not about jealousy or envy, those words are propaganda talking points. It is about our very survival as a species, that is what being a "progressive" is all about these days.
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  241. Mike Bloomberg, and all oligarchs for that matter, have convinced Boomers (my generation) and those before the Boomers, that is just fine to sacrifice the future of OUR children and grandchildren. Modern capitalism is a con game, as best illustrated by a quote from Michael Hudson's paper titled "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four Thousand Year Overview. Part 2." "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Today, the top 20% have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Using the same 5% interest rate, the interest payment alone on those financial assets would be 13.41% of the 2018 U.S. national economy. Since the economy grew at far less that 13% in 2018, this means that the interest paid to the top 20% was EXTRACTED from all of us. For those interested in Michael Hudson's paper, here is the URL: http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  248. Soooo - White Defiler - Lets take an accounting here. 1). Every civilized advanced economy nation on earth offers advanced education at minimal cost or free to its citizens, thus making for a productive workforce. 2). Every civilized advanced economy nation on earth offers single payer or universal health care to its citizens, thus making for a healthy workforce. So on those two points, where does the USA stand? 1). Well now, student debt here is second only to mortgage debt. We enslave our university and college students with debt. An indentured workforce. Undeniable fact. No other advanced country does that to its citizens. 2). Here in the USA we are required to pay, out of pocket and after taxes for our healthcare. Those that cannot afford it are forced to due without. Additionally, 650,000 to 1.5 million people every year file for bankruptcy due to unpaid medical expenses. Furthermore, 40,000 people die each year due to lack of health care. No other advanced country does that to its citizens. Now lets add into the mix that median income American workers have not gotten a raise adjusted to inflation or to GDP growth in over 35 years. GDP has more than doubled during the same period, so where did all the new money go? The answer is American industrialists legally stole it from American workers, with politicians making it possible as co-conspirators. Furthermore, republicans are always shouting about the U.S. federal debt being too high so the budget must be cut. At the same time they are shouting that taxes are too high and taxes must be cut. Wish granted, the top federal tax rate was cut by 55% over the same time period in which American industrialists legally stole trillions of dollars from the American worker. All done of course legally of course, with same politicians making it possible as co-conspirators. The federal debt exists because you got your wish. These are all facts, so don't even start with this "liberal gibberish", "America does not owe you anything libtard" and "another liberal snowflake wanting more free taxpayer benefits" bullshit you republicans always spout. Everything I wrote is verifiable fact, if you care to get off your slimy green ass and look it up. By the way, ALL republicans continue to participate as co-conspirators(including Karen Handel) with the wealthy elite of the USA, with the help of the corporate sponsored democrats, to take down American democracy. These are the New Royalists Billionaires Club and wannabe members. Soon their boot will be on the heads of all Americans(including yours, my deluded friend), destroying the Constitution and creating a upper-class/under-class dystopian society. So White Defiler, who are the real fascists in the USA? Give you a hint, it is not the progressive left. Give yourself a good look in the mirror my fascist friend, with all that bile you spouted . . . you are talking about yourself. You are helping to create this nightmare.
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  253. There was a time when Ronald Reagan was a true progressive, he actually made speeches which any progressive today would recognize. Then there came a time in his successful career when he became co-opted by right wing fanaticism because of his own greed. He wondered aloud why he should continue to working, when after six months labor (if you can call acting "labor"), most of his earnings went to the government in taxes. At the time Reagan was musing about this individual income tax rates for the top income bracket were at 91% and 92%, out of sight compared to the present day. He stated that he would be better served spending the last six months of the year on his ranch riding horses. Well, riding horses is exactly what Ronald Reagan should have done. Let another actor have the chance to play that leading man role. Furthermore, the patriotic thing to do was to keep working and pay those taxes willingly to support the USA and all the USA could accomplish with those tax revenues. Instead greed overtook Ronald Reagan, greed that overwhelmed the sense of abundance he should have carried in his heart, greed that eventually corrupted and threatens now to topple this once great country. Exactly how much money does one person need? If Ronald Reagan had enough money to have a ranch and horses by working only six months out of the year, is that not enough for one person to have? This idea that our society can only function when a small segment demands more and more at the expense of the remainder of our society . . . that idea is the symptom of a terminal illness within our society. There is no reason for the wealth concentration pervasive today other than greed. Does not the Bible say something about greed and avarice? The idea of a cap on wealth and income is a healthy one for the society of today. Every person can live well enough, even a life of luxury . . . without the need to accumulate more than could ever be spent in one human lifetime. It is time for us as humanity to grow up, before the idiots of avarice poison the necessary life giving natural systems on OUR collective planet to the point where no living creatures can survive. Once a certain level of personal annual income and accumulated wealth is achieved, any surplus generated needs to be gladly handed back to the society that enabled that income and wealth to be generated in the first place. Attitudes need to change about this topic . . . immediately.
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  264. Ms Rutabaga - Yes indeed, and it is about time too. We have been under attack by internal enemies since I was a child. Imagine that, I am 56 years old and until last year . . . I believed in this country (or the version of this country I was taught to believe in). Now with my eyes wide open, I see that we have been fed a steady diet of propaganda while our elected leaders and the business community (lumping all the big ones into one bag here) have sold us out. Citizens are the stakeholders in our country, but at some point in the 1960's the shareholder became the dominant force in our economy and then our politicians followed suite. The simplest explanation is that wealthy interests bought out a system of government that was based on trust and norms, then rigged the government to work exclusively for their interests. This is in direct contradiction to words from the Gettysburg Address of Abraham Lincoln, often quoted as a definition of democracy: "Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth." Seems to me now that the corruption of our perceived democratic form of government started when I was a kid, and I was deliberately kept in the dark about it. The powers behind this want us kept in the dark. Imagine if the millions more who thought like me could be awakened to the tragedy in progress happening all around them. We stakeholders need to take back our government, and take back our private enterprise also. Private enterprise is what the founders wanted for the citizens, not shareholder driven and Board of Directors run publicly traded companies making all the decisions. I don't think the founding fathers would approve of behemoth multinational corporations having a democratic seat in OUR government.
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  269.  @Mrbfgray  - You wrote: Here is the brief recipe how most everyone becomes prosperous/wealthy: A) invest heavy in yourself, master valuable skills and personal integrity. B) capitalize on those skills via yrs/decades of hard work and likely striking out on your own...all the while living well below your means and saving a ton. Live poor to become rich. C) learn how to invest effectively to have modest snowball began to grow "on it's own", the bigger it gets the faster it grows. Learn the power of compounding. Me: A) Done that. Watched those valuable skills become meaningless over time as industrial capitalist moved their capital assets and labor forces out of the country. Retrained a half dozen times, have many real skills, just no longer valued here. B) Done that too. Always lived well below my means. For reasons outlined in (A), my ton of savings evaporated with each new cycle of retraining. Living poor to become rich does not work for the majority. C) The power of compounding? Really? What do you really know about compounding? "“Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." That was written in 1772 by Richard Price, a contemporary to Adam Smith. He worked out the math that showed that one penny could, in 1800 years, turn into 150 MILLION earth size globes of gold. Compounding has been well known as a scam idea, all the way back to Ancient Mesopotamia and Babylon. Those cultures had the wisdom to reset all debts periodically, to prevent the rise of oligarchy. Really now, there is not even one earth size sphere of gold in the entire solar system, 150 million of them is beyond ridiculous. I study these things. You recite propagandist doctrine created by wealthy people for the sake of power. Compounding is magic for money. Since magic is not real, compounding is reality is theft. When financial asset reach the threshold of $118 trillion and "earn" over 10% annually, it is only a matter of time before the rate of return on such assets require more than our entire economic output. You have be dismissing me outright, but it is obvious that you are financially illiterate. You have fallen for a scam economy, in which your several million were gained at the expense of your fellow citizens. Furthermore, you and I are of the same age. In the 1960's and 1970's, it was indeed possible to bull one's self up by ones bootstraps. Now, our economy causes crime and homelessness on an epic scale. Yet in your advice, you insist that what worked for you (in a different age), will work for everyone now. Get real, your ignorance of the "facts on the ground" is just plain old insulting.
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  284. KALiSTO - To back up your comment, I am doing a copy and paste of a comment I made for another video. It is not just the presidents pardon power we need to worry about with this asshole . . . there is more and worse in the checkout lane here. The link to the article on this is at the end. I'd like to share the chilling thing I heard yesterday was about the reasons behind the rush for Kavanaugh confirmation. Lots of shiny things have been dangled to distract us . . . . but there is one case the Supreme Court agreed to hear which may disrupt the dual sovereignty of State and Federal Courts and the republicans want Kavanaugh seated before this case is heard. The Gamble vs United States case is about a felon with a robbery conviction, who upon being pulled over by the police, was found to have a firearm in his possession. Terance Martez Gamble was then charged by both State and Federal prosecutors with being a felon in possession of a firearm based on the single incident. Apparently he was convicted by both prosecutors and received an extended sentence. Upon appealing his conviction, Gamble claims double jeopardy and the case has made it to the Supreme Court. (The double jeopardy I am familiar with is that once acquitted of a crime by jury of peers, that crime cannot be charged in court a second time. Being charged by both the State and Feds is perfectly legal.) Long and short of this, if the Supreme Court decides that this is double jeopardy . . . then a state could not charge a person for something the Federal Government has charged a case on. This mucks up the system and could keep someone like Paul Manafort from being charged in State Court . . . where the president's pardon power cannot reach. The republicans have long held that "states rights" are sacrosanct, regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with. Trump and the republicans want Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court in time to hear this case, and Kavanaugh will most certainly throw "states rights" and the 10th Amendment right out the window. It is not just about the presidential pardon powers, deciding double jeopardy in this case will muddy the waters so much that the Federal Government will feel free with this as precedent to interfere whenever they want to block State's affairs and decisions. This is a very dangerous case for a so-called conservative majority Supreme Court to be deciding. The so-called conservatives are really corporate shills, and corporations are slobbering all over themselves at the potential inroads they can make by usurping state law in favor of corporate law. The 10th Amendment is written so that powers not specifically granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution are reserved to the States and to the people. Corporations have been using the courts to strip away rights from the people for decades and grant rights to the corporations over people. A double jeopardy finding in Gamble vs the US would be a gift, a genuinely corrupt boon to corporations. Kiss democracy good-bye with a single Supreme Court decision. Notice how we have heard nothing about this at all from the networks, corporate media is too busy presenting us with other shinier objects.https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/trump-pardon-orrin-hatch-supreme-court/571285/
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  289. Of course Yang does not push back. None of the current crop of wanna-be or actual politicians do, because they still believe in unlimited, boundless capitalism. In the most recent Robert Reich video, he talks about five ways to help workers in the age of automation, a special topic for Yang. The comment I wrote to Mr. Reich also applies to Yang and all the other politicians who think they have solutions (that will NEVER work). Here is what I wrote to Mr. Reich: To Mr. Robert Reich, I've watched dozens if not hundreds of your videos and I started my economic learning curve with your videos. However, there is a constant in your videos which constitutes a void in your method and messaging. This void is so large that none of your policy ideas will work until the void is filled. Anyone who has worked with manifold distribution systems knows that if there is a leak or opening in the system, the system will not work for long and whatever the manifold is distributing will leak out. You can add more of, or replace the material the manifold is distributing, but until that opening is sealed or capped, the system will not work properly. In the USA, Japan and Europe, the central banks are once again printing money like mad. The central banks are doing this because of liquidity shortages in the banking system. Well now, it is obvious there is a hole in the money distribution manifold, allowing all the money to flow to a point source, the top 20%, the top 1% and mostly the top 0.1% of the economic distribution manifold. Unless and until there is a hard cap on wealth accumulation, meaning, until the open pipe in the money distribution manifold is sealed, not a single idea you put forth in this video will work. Every reform, no matter how large or small, is rendered inert by the leakage in the money distribution manifold. This idea that we can have some people with UNLIMITED wealth, has got to go. Otherwise no matter what we try, the problems you outlined here will never be solved.
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  302. @JAM - What you have failed to do in your comparison between these people is some basic math, which will show that your "Wealth Tax will not work" statement is completely bogus. The 1% are "investing" at a RoR of over 5%, (S&P 500 index funds have paid over 9% since 1994). That is $30 trillion seeking a rate of return in a $20 trillion annual economy. The economy GDP grew by $560 billion in 2018. The RoR on $30 trillion at 5% is a trillion and a half dollars ($1.5 trillion) Can you see the problem yet? To pay the 1% their RoR, all of the GDP gains for 2018 are eliminated, plus an additional $940 billion skimmed directly out of the economy. This is done by raising the price of health care, housing and whatever else can be used by financial institutions to extract wealth from us, all the while calling that extraction "product" or "production in the economy". That extraction from us is actually counted by these criminals as part of the economic growth for the year. In reality the economy is shrinking, the numbers are being skewed to hide this from us. What we really need to do is dump this 2% on wealth tax, instead we need to put a hard cap on accumulated wealth for individuals and corporations. This much . . . no more. This whole "incentives" argument is bullshit to cover up the scam they are pulling on us. I say we cap wealth accumulation at $10 million, that is plenty to live a life of luxury and it will stop wealthy people from buying our politics and shaping government policy. This is why Warren should get a "sit down" with Bill Gates, he is a lying sack of shit and she knows the math. This is also why Bill Gates will never agree to a sit down with Warren.
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  305. So lets see here . . . you pay for your own education with debt you are responsible for. You go to work for a corporation with no allegiance except to shareholders, they will pay you the minimum required to keep you productive. Your pay will be divided between taxes to the government and debt for your education, you get to live on whatever remains. Sounds like you get the raw end of that deal. So the corporation owes you and society nothing, they are on top of the food chain. The government owes you nothing, they won't fix the roads, won't fund the schools and certainly won't provide any social safety net for you and your family. The government will however burden you with laws, regulations and taxes you cannot fight thus thinning your wallet even further. Add to the mix that median wages have not risen much in three decades, yet new home prices have risen by 230% over the same time period. Look at child care, rents, energy, transportation and yes . . higher education costs over the same time period and the cost increases are massive. The increases are well beyond inflation, so you are being squeezed to remove your earning power via nonproductive wealth extraction tools like heath insurance companies. Yet you are expected to bear that burden with good graces and not complain . . . . as we all enjoy that freedom and liberty we hear so much about. This is extraction economics at full tilt boogie. The industrialists abandoned the USA starting back in the 1960's and telling the American people up front what their intentions were was never part of the plan. Workers had gained too much wealth and power, something the industrialists wanted back. The republicans recognized and used the changing economics with great efficiency to ram their ideology into American politics . . . we the people have been riding the rabid beast down ever since. Where is the investment in a better society with this insane economic scheme? The investment is as void as a desert as far as I can see, it is the abandonment of the American Way for a dystopian nightmare. Are you seriously saying that the G.I.Bill was a waste of the taxpayers money and that we should never do something like that again?
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  347. I look at things this way. The economy is a system that provides sustenance for us to live on. The way that our economy is run is to demand that it grow by 3 to 4 percent per year. Systems don't work like that, I cannot expect my car engine to deliver 4% more power every year without substantial investment in upgrading plus the needed downtime for the upgrades. Plus at some point there will be an end to what can be done to extract more power, the engine will reach a physical limit. To expect that kind of result out of any system is absurd, yet that is what we expect from our economy and "We the People" have not been sharing in that economic growth for about forty years. So who is sucking up all the gains and raising our rents at the same time for all those decades? Whoever they are, they are seriously mucking up the system we depend on to survive. When we recognize that every system has limits, including our economy, then we can solve the problems that give us the Donald Trump's and Mitch McConnell's. If I were gong to give this system a fast makeover, the first thing I want is no more unlimited wealth accumulation for people and corporations. Put a ceiling on personal wealth, simply don't allow people to become wealthy enough to wield power beyond their their one vote. Same goes for corporations, iHeartMedia (formerly Clearwater Communications) does not need to own 855 radio stations which spread only one brand of political message. Every system needs limits to achieve optimal performance, which means that people can still get wealthy . . . just not too wealthy because that is unhealthy for the rest of us.
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  372. @Halfdan Ingolfsson - Pay no attention to those who would mock you. Though I don't consider my interest in the disintegration to be "morbid", I also have been keenly studying what is happening here. I also had a difficult time following Professor Powell, because he is following historical threads which have limited meaning to most, in order to find his solutions. I come at this problem of racism from the question of; how did racism arise? Going back much farther than the establishment of the United States, the core cause of racism seems to always arise from the exploitation of one group for the sole benefit of another groups wealth and/or status. I posted a stand alone comment on this video, which I have copied and pasted below for your consideration. "Racism has its roots and continuing strength in wealth accumulation. The Africans where brought here to build wealth for white plantation owners. The Asians were brought here to build wealth for white railroad owners. The Mexicans were brought here to build wealth for white agricultural land owners. In each case, the people brought here had one purpose, to build wealth for white people, and then these people were deemed disposable. Racism is all about white people disposing of the people they exploited to build wealth. Therefor racism will continue until the wealth these innocent colored ancestors built is restored to their descendants. As a white man, I want to see justice for these people, which can only happen when we tear down the citadel of white wealth accumulation and have a hard cap on individual wealth accumulation."
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  395.  @OurLadyLaLa  - I set out to learn also, so I will attempt to elaborate (in a simplified form) and hope it helps. The key words are in the original post, "a lack of understanding of the financial system." That lack of understanding is not an accident. To use the word "system" in reference to the economy or finance is actually inaccurate, because every system has limits (for example, upper and lower limits), but the accumulation of wealth has no upper limits and we allow people to go broke, become homeless, and drop out of the bottom economically. The entire point of our economy has been oriented toward the accumulation of wealth, as I will demonstrate using the Federal Reserve's own data. Shortly after World War Two (1947), the grand total of financial assets was 2.88 times the size of the economy. Over the following 75 years, financial assets grew faster than the economy by an average of 0.5% annually. Now, financial assets are five times the size of our economy. The words "financial assets" are just another way of saying wealth. If wealth grows faster than the work that is supposed to create wealth, then there is a problem. That is our crisis in a nutshell, except that no one wants to face that reality. I stated earlier that our lack of understanding is not an accident. Anything to do with money has been purposefully over complicated and obfuscated over time, so the question is who has the most to gain by making it so? It costs a lot of money to throw out so much misinformation and smoke screen over time, so my assessment is that the wealthy are responsible for our present orchestrated confusion.
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  401. woodchuck 00 - Have you looked into the corporate tax deductions which accompany Sweden's 22% corporate tax rate? Not only is the USA corporate tax code much more convoluted and complicated due to the myriad of corporate "tax acts" passed by Congress over the past decade, the depreciation rates are astonishingly higher than Sweden by a long shot. This means that USA corporations pay a small percentage of the 21% corporate tax rate, while Sweden's corporations pay a vastly higher percentage of that country's 22% corporate tax rate. Sweden is limited to 5% depreciation for buildings annually while in the USA there is a "bonus depreciation" for real property of 50% in the first year. The USA tax code for corporations is written in such a way to encourage corporations to buy out competitors and become mega-corps. This in turn causes corporate monopolies, which drive up consumer cost while simultaneously lowering the number of choices for consumers. This is extraction economics, taking more and producing less. Sweden discourages that type of destructive corporate behavior with a much tighter corporate tax structure. I can't speak for Bernie, but my take on your reference to him is this: He says we can learn from Sweden, I say that learning from examples elsewhere in the world is a good idea. My other take is this: USA corporations being allowed to endlessly expand and consume other corporations . . . this is not good for the citizens of our country and is actively hurting us citizens economically.
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  414. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  423. Julia Lewis - I voted for Hillary in the 2016 primary and the general election, because I was naively optimistic that when we had our first woman president, we could finally move on to the important work needed to insure that we actually have a future. I wanted this because I was concerned about my two daughters and the world they are inheriting. This primary vote horrified my eldest daughter. She was for Bernie, but I didn't even know who Bernie was at the time. She told me about how horrible Hillary was, and I told her she was being idealistic. I was 55 years old at that time and thought I knew more that she did. After the election, I started a research project into the economy and two years later, my eyes are wide open. My daughter was correct and I was wrong. The Democratic Party is broken. We cannot fix it by voting for establishment candidates like Hillary, she is the same as a republican. If we must endure republicans due to vote splitting, then that is what we must do in order to reshape the democrats and push them to the left. Otherwise we will never, and I mean never, have a progressive president and Congress. We have doomed our species and every other life on this planet over the past forty years. The only thing that we as a people can do is vote, if we vote for corporate centrist democrats . . . . then we might as well have just voted republican. You will not help anyone by voting for a centrist, you will only make things worse. So clench up and vote third party if the democrats put up a centrist for president. It might land us with Trump again, but a message must be sent to the democrats that the days of corporations and Wall Street running the Democratic Party are over. Bernie 2020.
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  428. Being well off is not a bad thing, but how much wealth do people actually need? Once one person surpasses earnings or wealth that puts them and their family beyond the need to work for a living, that is quite enough. It has been shown time and time again that people who pursue wealth beyond their actual needs and beyond a luxury lifestyle, those people are in pursuit of power. This has proven to be extremely bad for society and humanity at large. It is time for us as a society to put stringent limits on how much in earnings and wealth a single person or family can accumulate, because our history has shown wealth beyond that point has detrimental effects on society as a whole. Same thing for large businesses and corporations. It is against the best interests of society to let a company or corporation grow so large, that it starts to devour (as in buy up) other companies. Such behavior needs to be strictly limited or eliminated, for the common good of society. People who have talent and/or good ideas should be rewarded handsomely for their contributions to society. Those same people need to be trained that beyond their handsome rewards, their contribution to society also needs to include the excess wealth generated going back into society . . . to help fund other very smart people in bringing their contributions to society. This should be a civic duty, rather than being looked at as it is now . . . as theft of what a person has "rightfully earned". Besides, when you have so much money that it sits in investment accounts earning interest . . . can that money really be considered as something they have really and truly earned? The rate on return for billionaire investors is more than the GDP growth of entire countries. How is this helpful when those investment accounts help to periodically crash the economy?
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  435. MrIzzyDizzy - The short answer is yes, In the Permian–Triassic extinction (P-T) it seems that all the above applies. There were several huge volcanoes in the Asia-Siberian area that came on the heels of the initial event, causing massive pyroclastic flows, massive coal-ignitions and peat burning which melted the permafrost across the continent. Methane-hydrates decoupled in the melt, releasing enough methane to constitute 10% of the atmosphere. After the volcanic particulates settled and filtered from the atmosphere, the methane remained and caused a greenhouse effect which lasted tens of thousands of years. The smallest of carbon shelled creatures took over ten million years to reestablish themselves on the planet. In our modern age, methane-hydrates are formed under pressure, and in extreme cold. The products of decomposition of biological matter are locked into hydrates (solids). The land of permafrost and the cold depths of oceans lock away methane, keeping it out of the atmosphere. Now, the northern arctic is defrosting, ice in the polar ocean is melting. This opens these shallow seas to commercial vessel traffic, which will churn up the warmer waters which in turn will accelerate the release of methane from its hydrate bonds. The permafrost on land is melting also, releasing methane from decomposing peat hydrates. Of the methane-hydrates currently stored in the earth, it will take only a small percentage release (5% to 10%) to cause a global extinction event which will kill off all the larger animal life forms. Methane is already outgassing from the oceans all along the California coast, the rate has accelerated over the past 20 years which in turn has caused the events to be more carefully studied by marine scientists. We live on a planet that has a living system of checks and balances, which is being unbalanced by CO2 emissions. It is not the Koch Brothers personal unlimited petroleum byproduct disposal bin.
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  445. Chase Musqkwanto - Ok, back from lunch. I would like to impart two main items, one simple and the second requiring some elaboration. First: It was because of the Justice Democrats and their campaign platform that I switched my voter registration from Independent to Democrat. JD's are very appealing and they are in the main on the correct track. However, reform is not enough. Reforms are always undermined and then removed by the oligarchs and their minions. That leads to my second item. I live in California and my eldest daughter (29) lives in Missouri with her husband. Over this past weekend I called her and we discussed my wealth cap proposal. She asked me to define a "life of luxury" so we could have a basis for discussion. Since "luxury" is defined differently by different folk, I provided this baseline for our discussion: "If a family lives can afford to live in a 29 room mansion and they are building an new mansion with 92 rooms, that is too much wealth." She told me that "mansions" in her area ran from 1.6 to 3 million dollars, so we started our "thought experiment" using the upper limit of 3 million dollars for housing and another 3 million for property taxes over a lifetime. I would ask her for the upper limit on what she considered "luxury" for transportation, food, clothing, entertainment, furniture, healthcare, travel and other lifestyle luxury amenities. Together we came to a total of 50 million dollars in accumulated wealth which would allow her and her family to live in the utmost of luxury and security. So if we break that down into an annual income over a 30 year working life, no one should really require more than 1.75 million dollars per year of total income after taxes. You see, there are only a small proportion of millionaires and billionaires who use their wealth to benefit mankind. Elon Musk, Sir Richard Branson, perhaps the Gates (though I don't actually see what they are doing, My Lady reminds me of their Foundation work) . . . and the guy who made his fortune making and selling those 5-Minute Energy drinks (Billions for Change). On the diabolical power hungry side of the ledger we have the Trump's, the Mercers, the Koch Brothers, Julian Sinclair Smith of Sinclair Broadcasting, Rupert Murdoch and family, the Bush family, the Dupont's, the Johnson family, plus countless others I cannot name without looking them up. Throw into the mix the lobbying cartels for every known corporation using their money to buy OUR government representatives. Put a wealth cap on all of them and big companies and corporations will have to break apart, ending monopolies. Co-operatives between many stakeholders will become the new norm instead of the exception. Large building projects will require the cooperation of many builders instead of a few Mega-Corps. Large companies owned by individuals will be forced into reinvesting into their employees and company infrastructure. Many of the things the Justice Democrats stand for will happen by default with one simple and sweeping change. I could go on, but if you are as intelligent as I believe, you will see the possibilities in this once you give it some thought. So many of societies ill's will get attention and even cures with the revenues generated by a wealth cap tax . . . and no one will suffer the deprivation of their chance to earn millions. With vastly increased tax revenue, funding the vast potential of technical and artistic talent among our population can be unleashed. With a Universal Basic Income people are no longer bound to the useless hamster wheel of human wastage the current capitalism economy creates. ALSO: There will no longer be an oligarchy with the means and tools to undermine these societal reforms. Just think about it.
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  450. deacon jones - In your reply to Jose Benitez, you wrote: "i hope we can do that with[sic] out socialism". I am assuming your reply was in answer to his comment on tax law. What I am curious about is this, what do you call (or name) the massive subsidies, loop holes and the wage theft that businesses use so that their employees must use food stamps and medicare to survive? Look at Foxconn, Lowe's Hardware, Home Depot, Walmart, Amazon and who knows how many other corporations, who require local, state and federal tax subsidies just to set up shop in any general locality . . . in exchange for jobs. Is that not corporate socialism? Should they not be required to have a business plan that does not require taxpayer subsidy? Would it not be better if those corporations simply went out of business if they cannot be profitable on their own without corporate welfare? The federal deficit and debt is packed with corporate welfare. We are already paying for massive amounts of socialism, to oil companies and military contracts, etc. The idea that socialism for people is off limits, yet socialism for corporations is not . . . that is backwards thinking. If you take a close look at our economy, the real economy of goods and services to the population is now far outweighed by the FIRE Sector (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate), which is heavily subsidized (socialism for the wealthy). The Fed has pumped many trillions of dollars into the financial system to keep it from collapse, very little of which has gone to the population at large. The majority of that currency circulates in the rarified realm of wealth funds, hedge funds and derivatives . . . the world of the 1/10th of 1%'ers. The arena that Jose Benitez's link to Propublica does not cover is the toxic asset holdings of the Federal Reserve, which was not paid back or reimbursed to the taxpayer. So what if the banks paid back the direct financial assistance, that was only possible because of near zero interest rates for bank to bank transfers and does not take into account the relief for toxic securities that the banks were paid to get rid of by the Fed. Long and short of the situation is this. People pay into Social Security for their entire working lives, that is why it is called an Entitlement Program. Entitlements are not the driver of federal debt, corporate welfare and subsidies are. How and when are the American people ever going to get paid back for this so-called "investment" in corporations? The answer is never. The answer therefor lies in a different arena. The greed of the 1% is what drives the entire financial machinery, so lets put a governor on the machinery in the form of a wealth cap. If you were to draw out the cause and effect of a wealth cap, prices for real estate, rents, goods and services would go down and the economy would gain an equilibrium which would benefit all of society. Then there would be no need for "socialism" of any kind, personal or corporate.
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  451. deacon jones - Saul Alinsky is NOT one of the fathers of modern socialism, he is a fossil. If you want to talk theft, grand theft at that, then let us examine more closely the corporate capture of virtually the entire capitalist market and the corporate capture of our government. We no longer have any rights as consumers against the wholesale grand theft being perpetrated by corporations today. I will give you three examples from my personal life, although there are far more than three that apply to me alone. Example Number 1). Health care. I have health insurance. I also have a pre-existing condition. We do not have a car, so all travel is by bus. I cannot see a pulmonologist in the town where I live, I must use a pulmonologist in the health insurance network. This necessitates a four hour one way bus trip to visit a pulmonologist in the network. Not only does this put a great strain on me physically, but it is nearly impossible to get an appointment scheduled that will allow me to use the bus for transportation. The deductibles make it nearly impossible for me to use the health insurance. I cannot sue them, because the contract calls for binding arbitration and I cannot be represented by a lawyer and I must abide by the arbitration board's ruling. This is legalized theft on a grand scale. Example Number 2). Internet Service. There is only one internet service provider in our area, making our population a captured market. Our internet provider has grown so large, it has forced other providers out of business. We pay an extra ordinarily high fee to get internet access. It is in our contract that if we have any issues, we must use binding arbitration to settle them. This is corporate capture of the market and grand theft on a massive scale. Example Number 3). Magic Mesh. I bought two Magic Mesh screens, which work quite well and I am satisfied with the product. However, upon opening the product the first thing I see is a notice disclaiming responsibility and requiring that if I use the product, I am agreeing to binding arbitration to resolve any disputes. In each example, I must give up my rights as a citizen to seek legal action through the courts to resolve any disputes. Use of the judicial system is my right as an American citizen, yet my rights have been legislated away by my own government. That is grand theft on a massive scale, and worse than anything modern socialism can or will do. The republicans at this very moment are packing the federal judiciary with pro-corporate/anti-citizen judges. In case you are unaware, there is a word which describes the merging of government and corporate business interests . . . fascism. We fought a World War against fascism and imperialism, now the USA has become both fascist and imperialist. How is that not grand theft from every citizen of the USA? If you are going to talk anti-socialism, then you must face the system of fascism taking over the USA and be honest about it. What you are doing is defending American fascism and imperialism. The best example right now of both is the situation in Venezuela. Contrary to the public doctrine, Venezuela is not a socialist country. The fascist right in this country is claiming Venezuela is socialist, so justify a military invasion and coup de'etat for the sole purpose of plundering Venezuela's abundant natural resources on behalf of multi-national corporations. Corporation involvement with government planning is fascism, and the siege warfare through sanctions is American imperialism . . . and all of it is theft on a grand national scale. How do you justify that?
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  458. I started teaching myself about the economy when I was 55 years old. This was a project I wanted start 10 years earlier, but when you are self employed, who has time for that? Being self employed, I kept records. There was a very thin margin between between charging too much and losing a client, and making enough to survive. One of the resources I used were shop units in industrial parks and I got to know many small business owners, no one ever felt like they were awash in success. Many folded and closed shop over the years, overcome by rising costs that could not be passed on to their customers. We were all strained, no matter what the year. What I eventually learned shook me to the core, because it was not part of what I had grown up believing The United States of America was all about. Freedom and Democracy. Every idea that we have about spreading democracy through the world is false. We have an economy that is rigged to grow wealth faster than the productive economy can produce, it really is that simple. People can feel the wealth extraction taking place, but have no words to adequately describe what is happening. Now after researching the economy for many years, I can see the problem plain as day. Last year, wealth grew by an enormous amount, over $13 trillion. That sum is 66% of our GDP. The year before the wealth growth was 49% of our GDP. Very soon, wealth growth will swallow our entire GDP. If we want to defend ourselves and working folk everywhere, then we cannot go on having unlimited personal wealth. When wealth growth sucks up the entire economy, everyone will be in perpetual and unrelenting debt. All freedoms will be lost. The only solution is an across the board personal wealth cap, for people and corporations alike. Might seem drastic, but we only have a few years before we lose all say in our economy and become economic slaves in a very literal way.
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  484.  @Luca-bv5ic  - Ok, I just watched this video. First of all, Prager U is a propaganda channel set up by Dennis Prager. While his videos are very appealing to conservatives, they are highly skewed. When I refer to "progressives", I'm not talking about the way households or local governments are run. I'm talking about how the federal government is run and the way the wealthy gain more wealth. We run our household with conservative methodology. Local and state governments must operate using a conservative methodology or they will go broke. That is not the way the federal government or those with excessive wealth operate. There is a distinction and a difference. The federal government creates money and can never go broke. None of our federal tax money is used to run the federal government, all of the federal government operating expenses are covered through congressional appropriations and spending bills signed by the president. Spending bills signed into law are the check, and the U.S. Treasury can always cash the check. The federal government chooses to sell bonds, though there is no requirement for this, it is a safe haven for savings because the federal government can never go broke. Our federal tax money is used to retire older bonds, but the reason the federal debt keeps going up is because taxes have been lowered over the past four decades for the higher income and wealthy citizens, so there is not enough taxes coming in to retire bonds. Of course there are other reasons for the federal debt going up, useless wars, bailing out banks and Wall Street, subsidies to industry, etc. However the main reason we have a federal debt is that the U.S. government is the source of all currency and if that currency is withdrawn by balancing the budget, we would be in perpetual economic depression. Those with excessive wealth (I consider the wealth of Dennis Prager to be on the low end of the excessive wealth scale), use this type of propaganda to advocate for low taxes for the wealthy, by trying to equate themselves with a middle income conservative household. They are nothing like a conservative household. The exponential growth of compounded interest creates wealth by extracting it from the very conservative households this propaganda is appealing to. Look here, there is an example of the accumulation of wealth put forward by a 1700's philosopher that I like to use. The economist Michael Hudson translated his writings into U.S. currency so we could understand it. If you took one U.S. penny at 5% compounded interest, and started it in a savings account at the birth of Jesus Christ, by the year 1750 the value of that initial penny would be over 180 earth size globes of SOLID GOLD. This of course, is completely unsustainable. By issuing this kind of conservative propaganda, the wealthy elites are trying to obscure from us the way they grow their wealth, not from hard work and effort like you, or Elon Musk, but from extracting wealth from all of us, so they can get compounded interest based on their already immense accumulated wealth. The same thing happens when you get 20% of the population who have accumulated wealth 2.5 times our annual GDP, the compounded interest being paid on that accumulated wealth can only be gained by extracting wealth from the bottom 80%, but even then, there is a limit. This is why since late September of 2019, the Federal Reserve has been pumping liquidity into the banking system like mad. The world is running out of money to pay interest to the wealthy. Central banks all over the world are pumping currency into the banking system, and that currency is being borrowed by corporations and the wealthy seeking a greater rate of return in the stock markets. That is the entire reason the stock markets are booming. Being progressive in the modern era means putting a stop to the over-accumulation of wealth, because it is simply unsustainable. It is not about jealousy or envy, those words are propaganda talking points. It is about our very survival as a species, that is what being a "progressive" is all about these days.
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  527.  @DarkWraithKevin  - Ok, I just watched this video. First of all, Prager U is a propaganda channel set up by Dennis Prager. While his videos are very appealing to conservatives, they are highly skewed. When I refer to "progressives", I'm not talking about the way households or local governments are run. I'm talking about how the federal government is run and the way the wealthy gain more wealth. We run our household with conservative methodology. Local and state governments must operate using a conservative methodology or they will go broke. That is not the way the federal government or those with excessive wealth operate. There is a distinction and a difference. The federal government creates money and can never go broke. None of our federal tax money is used to run the federal government, all of the federal government operating expenses are covered through congressional appropriations and spending bills signed by the president. Spending bills signed into law are the check, and the U.S. Treasury can always cash the check. The federal government chooses to sell bonds, though there is no requirement for this, it is a safe haven for savings because the federal government can never go broke. Our federal tax money is used to retire older bonds, but the reason the federal debt keeps going up is because taxes have been lowered over the past four decades for the higher income and wealthy citizens, so there is not enough taxes coming in to retire bonds. Of course there are other reasons for the federal debt going up, useless wars, bailing out banks and Wall Street, subsidies to industry, etc. However the main reason we have a federal debt is that the U.S. government is the source of all currency and if that currency is withdrawn by balancing the budget, we would be in perpetual economic depression. Those with excessive wealth (I consider the wealth of Dennis Prager to be on the low end of the excessive wealth scale), use this type of propaganda to advocate for low taxes for the wealthy, by trying to equate themselves with a middle income conservative household. They are nothing like a conservative household. The exponential growth of compounded interest creates wealth by extracting it from the very conservative households this propaganda is appealing to. Look here, there is an example of the accumulation of wealth put forward by a 1700's philosopher that I like to use. The economist Michael Hudson translated his writings into U.S. currency so we could understand it. If you took one U.S. penny at 5% compounded interest, and started it in a savings account at the birth of Jesus Christ, by the year 1750 the value of that initial penny would be over 180 earth size globes of SOLID GOLD. This of course, is completely unsustainable. By issuing this kind of conservative propaganda, the wealthy elites are trying to obscure from us the way they grow their wealth, not from hard work and effort like you, or Elon Musk, but from extracting wealth from all of us, so they can get compounded interest based on their already immense accumulated wealth. The same thing happens when you get 20% of the population who have accumulated wealth 2.5 times our annual GDP, the compounded interest being paid on that accumulated wealth can only be gained by extracting wealth from the bottom 80%, but even then, there is a limit. This is why since late September of 2019, the Federal Reserve has been pumping liquidity into the banking system like mad. The world is running out of money to pay interest to the wealthy. Central banks all over the world are pumping currency into the banking system, and that currency is being borrowed by corporations and the wealthy seeking a greater rate of return in the stock markets. That is the entire reason the stock markets are booming. Being progressive in the modern era means putting a stop to the over-accumulation of wealth, because it is simply unsustainable. It is not about jealousy or envy, those words are propaganda talking points. It is about our very survival as a species, that is what being a "progressive" is all about these days.
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  532.  @paulcolburn3855  - Oh, I can assure you that the Federal Reserve is not honest. I have been tracking information from the Fed for quite some time. In the 3rd Quarter financial assets report, the Federal Reserve altered the information going all the way back to 1952 by padding the totals. Every year from 1952 to the present was altered, revised upward. I have my suspicions about why. Now, on to what you wrote. You are kinda making my point for me with your next observation. There were companies over $10 Billion in 1965, two of them. General Motors at almost $17 billion and Exxon/Mobile at $10.8 billion. Both companies have far exceeded the growth rate of the economy to arrive at their current market caps of $82.63 billion and $258.33 billion respectively. This growth was not accomplished by the making and/or selling of goods, only a small fraction of that normal economic activity resulted in their current market caps. The vast majority of the growth has been financially fueled by stock purchases and repurchases, a financial tool that produces nothing tangible, but raises the costs of goods to consumers for the sake of increasing the stock value. An example is the difference in Exxon/Mobile market cap between 2020 and 2021, which is $83.83 billion. That is a staggering 48% increase over a year, a year when less oil was sold, not more. In order to support that market cap, gas prices must go up, (which they have, substantially), which means that consumers absorb the price increase without a commensurate increase in value for them (all to fill the pockets of the wealthy with free money). Everything is now tied to the financial markets, real estate and health care are two of the big ones. Every time a financial asset increases in value, it raises costs for the consumer. So it really does not matter how responsible you are, all of us pay the increased price and get nothing of value in return. This is called diminishment of societal wealth or austerity. So the economy grows, but the bills rise 13.6875% faster every year and wages do not even come close to matching that. This is what puts people into debt, not because they lived irresponsibility as you claim. The reason for all the envy and bitterness (your term, which is really a crock of BS) is that people know they are victims of economic theft. From the time of the 1974 ERISA Act, when people were forced off defined benefit pensions and into the stock market for their retirement plans, people have been stripped of their wealth bit by bit. The reason is simple. Wealth cannot grow at a compounded rate that is larger than the rate of economic growth. If wealth does grow faster than the annual rate of economic growth, then it must strip its greater returns from existing wealth, or more money must be printed by the government and given to wealth. What you call responsible investment, I call theft, because the money was not earned, it was taken from some other hapless citizen. Furthermore, wealth stripping was not enough. Now the Federal Reserve is plowing money into the stock market, using corporate bonds as the vehicle. That is just printing money and throwing it at wealthy people, while degrading the value of our currency (the real cause of inflation). Then you look at how all government functions have been handed over to the private sector, which demands a profit. So the private sector either overcharges the government, or it strips the profit from the beneficiaries of the government program. Private prisons are a good example of this. C'mon man, you are fighting a battle that has already been lost. All the facts stand against you. The only thing that supports your position is the indoctrination networks set up by the billionaires Koch, Mercer and Murdochs. They know that this is a wealth extraction economy, because they helped set it up. Have you ever read the 1971 "Powell Memo"? This economy was planned way back in the 1940's and executed in the 1960's. The conspiracy is what you live within and think is "normal". Time to stop taking the blue pill my friend, only the red pill leads you to the truth.
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  569. You know, the comments here are rather strange. Yes, there are more homeless people here than in any other state. Why? Because the weather is survivable all year round, it has nothing to do with political ideologies. California roads are not the best to be sure, yet as my daughter departed her state due to divorce, she noted that the roads that were not interstate highways were exceedingly bad in every state until she arrived here. I'm going to point fingers here, "you people", who write all the snide comments about "Commieforna" and the democratic politicians here, yet you are blissfully unaware that you are being manipulated. This video is manipulating you. John Stossel is not an unbiased reporter. His Fox Business show "Stossel", aired viewpoints on individual freedom, free market capitalism and small government, all very common in the American media. Yet what most people seem unaware of is these are the talking points of billionaires, whose purpose is to use propaganda in pursuit of power. The homeless issue is not a product of political positions, because it happens regardless if a democrat or republican is in power. Homelessness is a product of growing wealth, when large corporations buy up whole neighborhoods, driving up costs of home ownership for everyone and driving those less able to cope onto the streets. The wealthy cleaned up in 2020, with financial assets gaining almost ten trillion dollars. I believe the entire reason Trump never responded to the Covid pandemic is because corporations wanted to fire millions and re-hire some of the fired workers at lower wages. Stop blaming the politicians and political parties, while they are not saints, they are not the ones in the drivers seat. Use your common sense people, wealth cannot get bigger while millions lose everything, not unless something fishy is going on with our "elite" wealth holders.
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  570. In one of two leading industrial powers of the 1960's, the Captains of Industry looked about at the world opening up before them. They said unto themselves, why be Captains of Industry in the United States of America . . . when we can be Kings of Capitalism over the entire world! That is when the national economy of the USA was abandoned in favor of a global economy that forever crippled the American worker. We should recognize this simple fact and devise a plan to extract ourselves from under the claw of predatory capitalism run amok. Professor Wolff is presenting us with some options, and there are others with valid ideas. One way or the other, we are living with the consequences of OUR industries abandoning OUR country and its workers. The same old shhict being sold us by Washington D.C. will not work out for us, and we know it. Do we consign ourselves to enslavement . . . to forever being in debt just to live? Or . . . just a thought here . . . do we make some bold new plans? I for one do not believe that any sane person needs more than a set amount of money to live fabulously. Work hard and earn a lot more than others . . that is ok. Yet when you reach a certain point, society will be better served by your excess earnings going directly back into the society from whence it came. The mankind will be able to do the BIG things, the stuff a healthy, robust and profitable private industry would just never tackle. Personal, business, corporate . . . tax it all so no one is holding excess profits "offshore" anymore. No one needs THAT much money unless POWER is what they really crave. For that reason alone, excess wealth should go back into the society from whence it came. That would stop individuals from adversely affecting all of mankind with stupid and deadly decisions. We can see first hand how dangerous it is for mankind to have so much wealth and power concentrated into the hands and limited minds of so few.
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  587. Vicky Paulson-What can we do? Stick to the Constitution. Elect new non-corporate Democrat Representatives into the House in 2018, that is our opportunity to clear the House of Representatives of republicans. In addition to the House, fully one-third of the Senate is also up for election in 2018, another opportunity to clear out more republicans from the Congress. Next, we need to promote and pass a constitutional amendment which will prohibit external funding of election campaigns and set up equal public financing for elections. This is to keep non-human persons (as in corporations and PACs) from buying our politicians, so they can go back to work for "We the People". Even now those frightening dictatorial types like tRump plus minions Bannon and Mulvaney, or even Paul Ryan, they all still have to follow the law and constitution. They are really abusing that power right now and not doing their due duty to "the general welfare" of the people as required by the constitution, but they are still limited and constrained in their actions by the constitution. Once we change leadership in the House and Senate in 2018, we the people must direct our employees (Representatives and Senators) to do their duty. Impeach and prosecute all the primary criminals now in office and their "advisors", plus go after all the republicans now in office who at this time are aiding and abetting these criminals. It is time for a massive purge, then we can rebuild our country properly in a way that truly does attend to "the general welfare" of ALL our people instead of just passing laws that benefit only the rich and big business.
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  589. SuperThumpasaurus - Must be doing ok here because aside from Michael Moore, I have only name recognition for three out of four of the others you mentioned. As to the original post, this is what struck a chord with me: "Most conservatives are sociopaths that have no empathy for their fellow human beings." Truth be told, back in my days of innocence before the election I would happily spend my spare time building models and listening to documentaries on my favorite subjects. Got most of my news form the corporate media, thought I knew from that enough about what was going on. Bit by bit though, some news was getting to me from other sources especially about the economy. There came a point at which I decided to dig in and do active research, but I kept putting it off because other priorities were more important. When I really started to dig in, I found it was not as simple as being "all about the economy". It was the behavior of Mitch McConnell in the Senate that finally kicked off my personal economic investigation. He was blocking legislation of all kinds, but the lack of hearing for Obama's Supreme Court pick was beyond reason I thought. It was reported that he told then President Obama that if Obama released the news about Russia meddling in the election, then he Mitch McConnell would attack the president on the grounds of Democratic partisan meddling in election affairs prior to November 8th. This was too rich in smelly stuff for me, because I had been tracking some of the republican legislative obstruction in the Senate and I thought that McConnell's actions were very hypocritical because he does the partisan politics to the extreme. Once again I come back to the OP quote "Most conservatives are sociopaths that have no empathy for their fellow human beings." My investigations of the economy have now spanned 100 years and there is too much information for me to claim "expert". Yet the pattern is very clear to me, policy makers who lack empathy for their fellow human beings, and who may indeed lack a conscience altogether, have been manipulating our laws to alter the economy and indeed the very fabric of American society. This is the real core issue here. Forces are at work whose ultimate goal is power, unconstitutional power. The kind of power that breaks a people and a country. The kind of power that will render our United States Constitution useless and powerless. It does not matter if you or I am a conservative or liberal, republican or democrat, because all of us together will be under the boot. The data is out there to prove and to fight this, it just has never been honed into the sharp and keen "edge of the wedge" needed to force it out into the open. Some of the information gets presented in political debate, but it does not yet have the needed punch to get society's full attention. If the "Dark Money Forces" (I need a name for this) can keep the fog machine of misinformation going, they will succeed at their goal of power and domination. That is the sociopathic element, that is the psychotic element as well, and not just as characterized by an impaired relationship with reality, they simply do not care what happens to those under their boot.
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  600. AgreeCompletely.com- I can appreciate you're on a learning curve having traveled that rather steep road myself. Since then I've been trying to boil everything down to the simplest form and here is what I have: 1). Since 1973 median wages have been flat or in decline when adjusted for inflation. Since 1973 the GDP has more than doubled without the boost in worker wages that accompanied GDP rise before 1973. Since the workers did not get the money from the GDP doubling, we have to look at who did. I really doubt those who kept all those earnings are paying taxes at the same rate as the workers would have, nor do I think the US Treasury has gained an equal amount in tax revenue as would have been the case if the workers wages had risen with GDP after 1973. Not only have the workers been cheated by business and industry during this trend, the US Treasury loses revenue. 2). Since the mid 1970's industries in the USA have been shutting down domestic plants and factories to move the jobs to lower wage countries. At the same time they have continued to sell their products in the USA for at incredible profit. While still claiming to be American companies, they have managed to gain the system by keeping money overseas and avoiding US taxes. The US Treasury loses revenue. 3). Since the 1980's the top tax bracket for earned income went from 70% to 39%, which translates into a 55% drop in taxes. The US Treasury loses revenue. 4). Our current ratio of Federal Deficit to GDP is less than 5% of GDP, historically not the worst position the USA has been in. All this Republican hand wringing about the budget and overblown deficit spending seems very disingenuous when you compare our USA federal budget deficit to the historical record. Take into account that automation and robotics such as those on automobile assembly lines has boosted profits and caused even more workers to lose their jobs. Business and industry hires many accountants and lawyers to minimize their US tax exposure, and all those laid off workers don't pay the same level of taxes any longer. The US Treasury loses revenue. Your general comments seemed to be centered around this premise: "the poor are unwilling to work and bad with money, and that's why overcoming laziness with motivation and education are the answers". It seems to me that you are seeking to place responsibility for the condition of being poor onto the poor themselves, when it is very clear from the distilled data the poor had very little control over their current situation. Furthermore, look at the quite unfair disparity in tax rates for earned income vs unearned income. SInce the vast wealth of the USA resides in the realm of "unearned" income, it seems only logical that the tax rate should be lower for earned income and that the bulk of the "carrying load" in the US Federal budget should be born on the back of the "unearned" income. This way the earned income taxpayer does not have to shoulder this burden so disproportionally. We have all been conned by the wealthy and the politicians in their pockets. Right now we have taxation without representation, because our Congress persons with a few rare exceptions do the bidding of their wealthy donors, not the voters who put them into office. I stand with the Justice Democrats. California, 10th District . . . Jeff Denham (R) is a traitor and needs to be voted out of office for the good of our country.
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  637. deacon jones - One of the most frustrating things about a dialog on socialism is that for most, including you, the dialog starts and ends with a definition which is inaccurate and predicated upon a story/myth generated by oligarch propaganda. Their story is very effective and has the effect they are looking for . . . that you will dismiss socialism as a viable alternative and thus cement in place the structures the oligarchs depend on as a foundation of their power. As of this moment corporate oligarchy does these things you wrote about socialism: "is all powerful.and controls every thing,and dictates your rights". (You need to put spaces between your words). What is always left out of any tentative discussion once the myths are established as a baseline is this: unlike the current geriatric stage of capitalism, socialism has and will continue to evolve. I have done considerable research on the subject and while not an expert by any measure, I have learned enough to know the myth stories are not true. The one point which is germane to your narrative which I will bring up, the current discussion of socialism does not have "the government is your daddy" at its core. That particular phrasing is part of the anti-socialist mythology, whose goal is to prevent you from looking into socialism further. Socialism is not just a philosophy, it is an adaptable system which includes markets and free enterprise. If you were to look closely at the opening paragraph of the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution, both are progressive documents that are inherently socialist in nature. Capitalism and the oligarchs spawned by capitalism have twisted both to fit their own narratives and myths. The Founders lived in an age of slavery and many other ills, however even though like Bernie and myself they were stuck in the then current system, they had the vision to see a better future for the USA and humanity which is socialist in nature.
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  664. IronskullGM - Very interesting article, I am gong to use the final two paragraphs of that article here as a launching point for further discussion. Quoted from the article: " As Sears, Roebuck and Company Chairman Robert E. Wood observed, after the war “we were warned by private sources that a serious recession was impending. . . . I have never believed that any depression was in store for us.” With freer markets, balanced budgets, and lower taxes, Wood was right. Unemployment was only 3.9 percent in 1946, and it remained at roughly that level during most of the next decade. The Great Depression was over." Here is where I pick up the discussion. What very few people discuss or even acknowledge is that in 1946, the fully intact industrial might of the USA had a captured world market for manufactured goods. That captured market lasted for at least a decade, until other countries ravaged by the war had recovered enough to rebuild or in some cases, start up their own industrial manufacturing base. The "captured market" decade of 1946 to 1956 is the sole reason that the USA fared so well for the three decades after World War Two, yet this point is never acknowledged by the "free market" types. When the manufacturing base of Europe and Asia had recovered enough to become competitors in the manufacturing realm, that was the end of the new American middle class. U.S. manufacturers started to move their operations to Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan and eventually to China . . . leaving trained and highly paid American workers to rot. Balanced budgets, contrary to what the author of this article wrote, never entered into the economic equation. Taxes during this era stayed high, literally forcing reinvestment into privately held companies. The "regime certainty" of the 1920s having largely returned, that the author referred to, was in fact responsible for the inflation of the 1970's and showed that capitalism had not learned anything at all about how to create a stable economy. Facts on the ground are these: Capitalism is a "Monopoly Game" with rules that never change and those rules are antithetical to human society and that society's longevity. The "free markets" of today are not free at all, they are rigged toward the detriment of individuals and in favor of large monolithic corporations. This is bad recipe.
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  665.  @jamesfournier9450  - I agree with everything you just wrote. Every system need regulation, which capitalism does not have. The only reason capitalism is not positively regulated is because wealth buys power, which is easy to understand but obscured by propaganda (which is also bought by wealth). My background is in engineering, which when applied to capitalism could make the system work for everyone . . . and therein is the rub, because those with wealth do not want capitalism to work for everyone. They have deliberately engineered programs like 401k's and IRA's with the tax penalty so that they could manipulate the average American, which as an engineer I can see what they wanted to accomplish. The goal was to kill off pension plans through employers and create a so-called retirement platform to drain wealth toward themselves and ensnare average American's as accomplices to their plan. The device called "compounded interest" and it's deleterious effects has been well known for several centuries. In Michael Hudson's paper on compound interest called "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four-Thousand Year Overview Part II", he makes the following referral: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” In his Observations on Reversionary Payments, first published in 1769 and running through six editions by 1803, Price elaborated how the rate of multiplication would be even higher at 6 percent: “A shilling put out at 6% compound interest at our Saviour’s birth would . . . have increased to a greater sum than the whole solar system could hold, supposing it a sphere equal in diameter to the diameter of Saturn’s orbit.” Ultimately what this means is that we cannot have an economy with any portion operating by compounding interest rates for either debt or wealth generation. Any economic system that uses compounded interest either must have a periodic reset and debt forgiveness, or the system crashes. The wealthy know this, they want the system to crash regularly so that they maintain power. The only way we escape this is to cap individual wealth accumulation at a set limit, plus put a floor under the bottom via UBI or similar mechanism, or provide for system resets in both wealth and debt. In other words, we cannot let the wealth engineer the system to benefit themselves. Reference: https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  670. Because from the 1970's onward, all economic productivity gains have gone to those who already accumulated wealth. This problem has a simple origin with wide ranging effects. We keep trying to solve problems created by the effects instead of solving the problem at its source. The 2019 economic year illustrates the origin clearly. The sum of privately held financial assets for 2019 is greater than $90 trillion. The 2019 national output by the productive economy as measured by GDP is about $21.5 trillion. From these two figures we can compare the size of interest earning wealth to the size of the economy, $90 trillion compared to $21.5 trillion. Financial assets gain 5% to 7% annually on average. GDP has grown by 2.56% over the past three decades. From these two figures we can compare the growth rate of wealth to the growth rate of the economy. If we use the smaller figure of 5% growth for financial assets, 2019 generated $4.5 trillion in asset growth. According to The Bureau of Economic Analysis of the United States Department of Commerce, Current-dollar GDP increased 4.1 percent, or $848.8 billion, in 2019 to a level of $21.43 trillion. If only 18.8% of financial asset growth for 2019 was cashed out as capital gains, that would wipe out the entire $848.8 billion GDP growth for the year. This is why we don't have affordable healthcare, education and housing like they did in 1950's, because all economic gains are going to the 1%. The only solution for this mess is to heavily tax capital gains or finally recognize we need to put a hard cap on individual wealth accumulation. Every system has an upper limit. We need to recognize that our economic system breaks down because there is no governor on the upper end performance. Every race car fan knows what happens to high performance engines running at top speed, they burn up. Same thing is happening to our economy.
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  672. This racism and other-blaming was all brought to the surface and promoted by the very wealthy and industrial capitalists over 40 years ago, who needed a convenient narrative to obscure the neo-liberal agenda to create the modern Kings and Serfs society. . . which they knew would strip most Americans of their assets and wages over the past 40 years and accelerate the stripping over the next 40 years. This racism narrative is how they are hiding their action from all of us. Here is what we really need to be concerned with: The Macro Economic Scales. Right now 17 international wealth funds have $50 Trillion in their portfolio's seeking a rate of return. Even at a paltry 5% rate of return, it will only take 14.4 years to double. That is $50 trillion in "free" money gained in 15 years. Where is that going to come from? Certainly not from the legitimate "productive" economy, no . . . it will be "extracted" from all of us and from "regime change" countries. It is time for us to back public policy that puts a hard limit on wealth accumulation, because the appetite of "rate of return" investments cannot possibly be met. When you extrapolate out to 45 years, the $50 trillion of today will becomes $400 trillion. That means $350 trillion dollars gets sucked out of the planet just to pay interest. This is beyond unsustainable, it is destruction, disaster, rape, murder and plunder rolled into one ugly ball. You ever see what happens to a rooftop when too much snow accumulates on it? Collapse. The modern narrative of racism and other-baiting is meant to obscure the nature of the coming collapse. The sheer mass of that much accumulated wealth is going to collapse everything world wide . . . and we have to stop this. Time for an income and wealth cap, it is the only way we can manage this outrage.
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  673.  @wesleyhoulch1887  - First, you are in error about the teenager in white. He was moving forward, hands at his side when he was pepper sprayed, yet there was no threat to the officers. Only after he was pepper sprayed did he "charge" forward, after his eyes were disabled, he was clearly in pain and disoriented. That is not an attack. How do you react when assaulted in such a manner? Deploying pepper spray to get the group to disperse? That is a load of horse manure. The problem here is that you and so many other people have not only become desensitized to police violence, you have started to enjoy it like a spectator sport. The reality here is that your own ability to think clearly has become compromised by right wing hate media and your own lack of common sense. This type of police violence will simply motivate more rebellion and violence, not prevent it. Get some sense man, there is no safe learning environment when school administrators put a girl who was sexually assaulted on disciplinary detention or suspension and the boy gets off Scott-free, which is the reason for the protests in the first place. The school administrators bungled this entire situation, then calling the police to fix their problem just made it worse. How can you expect from anything else except rebellion from these students when such an injustice occurs? The problem here is you, the school administration and police solving problems with violence. Things will only get worse until you learn how to deescalate. Oh, and big difference between what happened here and an active shooter situation, comparing the two shows further lack of good judgement on your part.
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  688. Here is something you might be interested in: I would like to impart two main items, one simple and the second requiring some elaboration. First: It was because of the Justice Democrats and their campaign platform that I switched my voter registration from Independent to Democrat. JD's are very appealing and they are in the main on the correct track. However, reform is not enough. Reforms are always undermined and then removed by the oligarchs and their minions. That leads to my second item. I live in California and my eldest daughter (29) lives in Missouri with her husband. Over this past weekend I called her and we discussed my wealth cap proposal. She asked me to define a "life of luxury" so we could have a basis for discussion. Since "luxury" is defined differently by different folk, I provided this baseline for our discussion: "If a family lives can afford to live in a 29 room mansion and they are building an new mansion with 92 rooms, that is too much wealth." She told me that "mansions" in her area ran from 1.6 to 3 million dollars, so we started our "thought experiment" using the upper limit of 3 million dollars for housing and another 3 million for property taxes over a lifetime. I would ask her for the upper limit on what she considered "luxury" for transportation, food, clothing, entertainment, furniture, healthcare, travel and other lifestyle luxury amenities. Together we came to a total of 50 million dollars in accumulated wealth which would allow her and her family to live in the utmost of luxury and security. So if we break that down into an annual income over a 30 year working life, no one should really require more than 1.75 million dollars per year of total income after taxes. You see, there are only a small proportion of millionaires and billionaires who use their wealth to benefit mankind. Elon Musk, Sir Richard Branson, perhaps the Gates (though I don't actually see what they are doing, My Lady reminds me of their Foundation work) . . . and the guy who made his fortune making and selling those 5-Minute Energy drinks (Billions for Change). On the diabolical power hungry side of the ledger we have the Trump's, the Mercers, the Koch Brothers, Julian Sinclair Smith of Sinclair Broadcasting, Rupert Murdoch and family, the Bush family, the Dupont's, the Johnson family, plus countless others I cannot name without looking them up. Throw into the mix the lobbying cartels for every known corporation using their money to buy OUR government representatives. Put a wealth cap on all of them and big companies and corporations will have to break apart, ending monopolies. Co-operatives between many stakeholders will become the new norm instead of the exception. Large building projects will require the cooperation of many builders instead of a few Mega-Corps. Large companies owned by individuals will be forced into reinvesting into their employees and company infrastructure. Many of the things the Justice Democrats stand for will happen by default with one simple and sweeping change. I could go on, but if you are as intelligent as I believe, you will see the possibilities in this once you give it some thought. So many of societies ill's will get attention and even cures with the revenues generated by a wealth cap tax . . . and no one will suffer the deprivation of their chance to earn millions. With vastly increased tax revenue, funding the vast potential of technical and artistic talent among our population can be unleashed. With a Universal Basic Income people are no longer bound to the useless hamster wheel of human wastage the current capitalism economy creates. ALSO: There will no longer be an oligarchy with the means and tools to undermine these societal reforms. Just think about it.
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  733. For clarification about what Peter and I are referring to, I will post "the charts" as Peter refers to them. In one afternoon I did research and analysis, with astonishing results. I invite any other readers to offer their opinion of what I have concluded, and any actual facts that refute my findings. Links are at the bottom of the comment. Enjoy!: Even with a 300.3% growth in GDP per capita, the American people have been taking a continuous "income cut" every year for over thirty years because our median incomes have not risen anywhere close to GDP per capita. The economy is not doing well for the people, the fundamentals are off the tracks. Stocks are going up because of corporate buybacks, not because people are buying product. The corporate media is lying to you. Plus our politicians have been taken over by the corporations and wealthy interests, so they no longer represent “We the People”. Here are the baseline statistics: The United States GDP per capita rose 300.3% over the past 30 years. Median wages for men rose by 1.05% over thirty years. Median wages for women rose by 151% over thirty years. Median wages for women remains 35% lower than men’s median wages, even though women median wages have risen far higher than men’s over the past thirty years. In 1986 median wages for men were standing at 185.2% of per capita GDP. By 2015 median wages for men had fallen to 66.2% of per capita GDP, that is a 64.3% loss in earning power over 30 years. In 1986 median wages for women were standing at 82.3% of per capita GDP. By 2015 median wages for women had fallen to 42.4% of per capita GDP, that is a 51.5% loss in earning power over 30 years. Median household income rose 236% over the past 30 years. Since the growth of median income of men and women combined is only 152.5% over thirty years, it is a fact that there must be three or more earners per household in the present day. The days of single and dual earner households are gone. Median household income in 1985 was $23,620, well below the men’s median income of $35,324 which points to the fact men did not head most households at that time . . . or since then. With a 64.3% erosion of men’s earning power over thirty years, the modern household must have three, four or five working people in order to have an increased median household income of 236% over thirty years. New homes have gone up 335% over thirty years. Existing homes have gone up 292% over thirty years. Rents have gone up 299% over thirty years. Energy has gone up 177% over thirty years. Transportation has gone down 3% over thirty years. The cost of public college gone up 305.2% over thirty years (not including the costs of boarding, books and supplies). Of these items listed above, all except for two items fall within a range of growth similar to the GDP per capita growth over thirty years. The two anomalies are energy which has risen only 60% as much as the other items. The real sore thumb is transportation, which is the one thing everyone notices when price changes occur since we are a commuter culture. I smell something foul here, prices being fixed as to not draw attention to other giant cost increases within our economy. Don’t piss off the commuter or you will have revolution! However a steady upward creep of prices against diminished earning power will continue beyond our ability to pay, all happening very quietly so no one will notice or complain. Here is the list of items where the capitalist corporations are really sticking it to us, this is the wealth extraction economy at work. The cost of childcare gone up 546% over thirty years. The cost of healthcare gone up 601% over thirty years. The cost of pharmaceuticals gone up 894% over thirty years. And finally: The federal student loan burden being carried by our youth has gone up 14,800% over thirty years. In conclusion, the median earning power of American workers cannot keep up . . . and has not been able to keep up with basic living costs for decades. This is forcing all of us into eternal debt. You cannot have a GDP per capita going up and pay the workers less, while at the same time increasing basic necessary living costs at GDP per capita rates (or double, even triple that). Sources: https://www.census.gov/const/uspriceann.pdf https://www.census.gov/const/uspricemon.pdf https://www.census.gov/construction/nrs/pdf/uspriceann.pdf https://www.realestateabc.com/graphs/natlmedian.htm https://ycharts.com/indicators/sales_price_of_existing_homes https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/census/historic/grossrents.html https://www.zillow.com/home-values/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/household-bills/9892984/How-prices-changed-over-30-years.html http://traveltrends.transportation.org/Documents/CA08-4.pdf http://www.nytimes.com/1986/07/30/us/spending-for-health-care-in-1985-rose-at-lowest-rate-in-2-decades.html https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/new-peak-us-health-care-spending-10345-per-person http://www.in2013dollars.com/Tuition,-other-school-fees,-and-childcare/price-inflation/1986-to-2016?amount=20 https://www.statista.com/statistics/184914/prescription-drug-expenditures-in-the-us-since-1960/ https://college-education.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005532 http://www.onlinecolleges.net/student-debt-in-the-u-s-part-2-a-brief-history-of-student-debt-in-the-united-states/ https://studentloanhero.com/student-loan-debt-statistics/ https://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-156.pdf https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2016/demo/acsbr15-02.pdf https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/usa?year=1986 http://statisticstimes.com/economy/north-american-countries-by-gdp-per-capita.php
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  738.  @sarathompson2035  - You are probably lucky to have not taken economics classes in college. Nothing that you have been learning here is taught in college classes, unless you are lucky enough to have someone like Professor Richard Wolff teaching. However, even Professor Wolff gets fixated on one particular aspect of economics, for him it is worker co-ops, handing over control of the enterprise to its workers instead of a small group such as a board of directors. While that aspect of economics is compelling and as I believe, the way of the future of private enterprise, there are obstacles and inherent deficiencies which make that path nearly impossible to achieve in the present economic environment. With regards to Italy, this is a very interesting subject. Italy gave up their sovereign currency (the lira) to join the European Union, as did Greece (drachma) and Spain (peseta). These countries are suffering enforced austerity and are being coerced by the European troika [the decision group formed by the European Commission (EC), the European Central Bank (ECB) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF)] to take loans they do not desire, just to be able to pay the interest due on previous loans taken out during the world financial crisis of 2007–2008. These three countries and several others, do not have a manufacturing base to speak of, their economies depend mostly on tourism. They simply cannot afford to take out loans to complete construction projects due to this enforced austerity. With no future to look forward to, these countries are losing population, mainly the young folk who are seeking better opportunities elsewhere. One of the most captivating speakers I have had the pleasure to listen to is the ex-finance minister of Greece, Yanis Varoufakis, who is currently an MP in the Greek Parliament. Listening to Yanis talking about his tenure as Greek Finance Minister was an eye opening experience, he was popularly elected by the Greek people to put a stop to the systemic looting of the Greek economy by the trioka, but was overridden by Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras who accepted the loans Yanis was elected to stop. Yanis subsequently resigned his position and started a new movement in the European Union called Diem25 (Democracy in Europe Movement 2025 ) to fight the encroachment of right wing radicalism leading to a potential fascist takeover of European countries. Yanis is all over YouTube, he is definitely worth listening to. To answer your final question about proposed solutions, I will answer that in a separate post, as I am running out of time and I want to shoot off a reply comment to another participant in your comment thread before I must attend to other duties. Cheers!
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  742. Hey Jim Thompson - when are you going to start being concerned about the top 20% benefiting from the biggest "free money" scam perpetrated in recorded human history? You know that everyone who inherits wealth is a socialist that is using other people's money? Did you know that the top 20% have accumulated over $50 trillion in financial assets (thanks to Reagan, who is Thatchers best bud), and they did so without lifting a finger or actually "working" to get that money? Do you know that this accumulated wealth is currently cannibalizing our national economy? How is that (you may ask)? You cannot have a sum greater than our entire national economy, extracting an interest payment from that economy that is double the size of economic growth without cannibalizing the economy itself. Lets see if you can understand this bit of math: 5% interest on $50 trillion is $2.5 trillion. 2.56% GDP growth on the U.S. economy in 2018 came out to the sum of $560 billion. Subtract $560 billion from the $2.5 trillion being extracted from the economy in the form of interest payments = $1.94 trillion. $1.94 trillion, that is how much was extracted from the economy to pay free money to the top 20% of income "earners". That by its very definition is "socialism" for the wealthy. So tell me Jim Thompson, when are you going to start complaining about that? The top 20% stole that money from you, me and the rest of the bottom 80%, because there is no longer a productive economy in the USA that can support that kind of rate of return. Why? Because the damn capitalist have hollowed out our industries and sent them packing to China!
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  763. Peter Nachtwey - You wrote: "This is very possible but they didn't have that debt to earnings ratio when they got the mortgage." Yes, they did. It is happening. You cannot refute that. You wrote: "I quote myself "They spend too much, promise too much and there are too many free loaders." This is the truth. You can't refute it." This is not truth. It is diversion, hyperbole, your pretend version of reality. Peter, you consistently present this message without basis in fact. You never address the why or the how, you just make declarative statements. You wrote: "Yes, with the aid of machines. It is the machines that are more productive not the operators." in response to me writing: "yet humans are producing more with less effort. " Peter, this is where you fail completely. Humans made the machines that allow for greater productivity. Therefor it is humans that have become more productive. Hence it is humans that should collectively reap the benefits of greater productivity, as the machines have no need except to be maintained. Peter, you are not "just" a jerk. You are a deplorable human being without empathy. You are not alone in this, the president and his entire cabinet are just like you. Eventually, if you cannot come to your senses as a human being, the application of force will be required to subdue you. Is that really what you want for yourself and your fellow human beings? Humanity cannot move forward as a species without self destructing using your vaunted market based capitalism as an economic model. The only other option that allows you to keep this broken system in place is that the elite kill off all the "useless" humans. You cannot refute that. Please try though, I want read how you think the future looks. Finally you wrote: "It is UNANIMOUS and not just me." Peter. I don't think you really understand language. Unanimous means that everybody agrees. Look, here is the definition: adjective: unanimous (of two or more people) fully in agreement. (of an opinion, decision, or vote) held or carried by everyone involved. The only people you are speaking about are those that hold your belief . . . . in relation to the population at large your belief does not make for "UNANIMOUS", plus a belief is not fact. Refute that. All this bluster on your part is a smoke screen to keep from having to discuss the real problems that arise from free market based capitalism, or the political decisions that landed us in this highly skewed economy. You have refused time and again to discuss the real issues, instead focusing all your energy on derision. Solutions: Raise all taxes personal, business and corporate back to the pre-Reagan era, that will solve the federal debt problem and the city financial problem. Make capital gains tax levels the same as personal income tax levels, that will solve many government debt issues. It is too late to reinstate the tariff system that protected the indigenous American economy for almost two centuries. The way forward now is a basic universal income for every person on the planet. Not to adapt to the global economic situation makes the use of political force or actual physical force against people like yourself inevitable. Either you pay the higher taxes and modify the economy so that income from greater productivity is distributed fairly among the population . . . or the torches and pitchforks will be coming for you Peter, sooner or later.
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  765. Peter Nachtwey - You wrote: "What happened to coolmodelguy? Did he give up? I have been able to prove him wrong at every turn. He really needs a reality check because he has just been repeating libtard propaganda without any facts." Peter, Peter. Do you enjoy lying? Do you enjoy distortion? You have not proved anything, much less prove me wrong. You think the purpose of our little talks was to prove me correct over you, like I have that kind of stake in new economic systems I've been exploring? You are missing the point Peter. You cannot afford to have over 100 million pissed off workers in a national population of 300 million, who also live and work in the richest country in the world. Telling me to "get over it", calling me "libtard", and deliberately distorting the behavior of people seeking solutions just makes me angry . . . and not just at you. Angry at everyone like you. That is a dangerous game to play. See . . . as I told you before, I know people just like you. Self made business persons who started in the 1970's and 1980's on a shoestring budget and have been successful. I admire them and do not begrudge their success. However when they start to lecture about how lazy people are or how anyone can do what they have done if they work hard and apply themselves, I have to take issue. Each of you is "a product of your time and age". Take Ed for example. He started a t-shirt business in the 1970's selling from flea markets. He parleyed that into a printing shop and then a sign shop. He is now retired and his son runs the sign shop. When we talk, I have to remind him that "when" he started his endeavors was just as critical to his success as hard work. There is no way a t-shirt seller at a flea market today will end up 30 years from now with a multi-million dollar sign shop. The markets is saturated with cheap t-shirts meaning there is no profit in it for startups, real estate and building costs are astronomical . . . and last but not least the nature of economy has changed drastically in 40 years. Peter, you have become famous, a symbolic figure whose sole purpose seems to be to shit all over people who are less successful than you, and those who are seeking answers or even a better way to live. That makes people angry. You never answered my question: Peter, why are you here? Why are you always on Professor Wolff's videos making insults and belittling the work of an economic's professor who is providing sound economic information? Before you say what Dr. Wolff teaches cannot possibly work, can you prove that? Do you have any examples to base your opinion on?
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  768.  @Mark0003260  - Well now, your conventional wisdom is shining! I've been where you are, thought the way that you obviously do now. How do you think conventional thinking originates? Took me a long time to figure that one out and whoa-donkey!! What do you know! Turns out people like you and I have been duped friend! Look, I am pushing 60 years and until about 6 or 7 years ago I was as conventional a thinker that could be. However, running a small business is an eye opener and things I was observing did not fit the conventional wisdom paradigm. What you have demonstrated with your comment about Prop-13, real estate prices and property tax is conventional thinking based on a narrative, put out by people who want you to believe that narrative. The narrative makes sense, sounds logical and honest. The problem is, it is a narrative, which is to say, it is not true or honest. People get triggered when I tell them they are the victims of propaganda, but propaganda is designed to be effective and cause the people who hear it to believe it and defend it. When I responded to your comment, I did a Google search to find out about Compton and Lynwood. There was so little information that comprehensive. There was no mention of a housing boom associated with the production increases of World War Two. These two areas ARE sacrifice zones, just not so much in relation to capitalist heavy industry. More so as the entire United States is a capitalist sacrifice zone, having been moving towards this end since the termination of the "Bretton Woods" Agreement and the move to separate the dollar from gold. As much as I would enjoy being a millennial, really I am a late boomer. I see what is happening in my children's world, that reality is completely divorced from conventional wisdom and thinking. I think that just like myself, you have been made into a fool for someone else's benefit. Hope you don't get triggered by that statement, but instead start really digging into some serious research because you have some catching up to do.
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  769.  @Mark0003260  - What an young and innocent pup you are, to be led astray so easily. You act like you know what you are talking about, because it has been drilled into you by master propagandists. Where do you think the inflation came from? Where do you think Prop-13 came from? Do you even know how to do basic math? Why do you think there was never legislation to address the property over taxation problem? The issue you have is one of regurgitation, not actual rational thought. The racism you spout, was engineered. The inflation, especially in housing, was engineered. Prop-13 was engineered, not because it gave tax breaks to homeowners because that could have been done through legislation but was not. Prop-13 was all about compounded interest, a useful tool when your intention is to gut the Constitution of the USA. Did you ever read The Powell Memo? I did. It laid out the roadmap for the wealthy to take over the country, which they have essentially done. Lewis Powell was on the Supreme Court and his memo showed the rot from the top, just at the moment is began in earnest. Have you taken a look at the ratio of financial assets to the size of the economy? Taking real estate out of the equation, the size of the economy is less than one fifth the size of financial assets. Since financial assets capital gains grow faster than the economy, even an arrogant fool like you should be able to realize that something does not pass the smell test. I have given you more than enough information with just the ratio question, which you could use to launch an investigation on your own. If you have any brains at all, you will look up the size of the 2019 economy and then compare that number to the total value of financial assets owned by households and non-profit corporations. The math does not add up, our puny economy cannot support those levels of capital gains. Why do you think the bailouts in 2008-2009 were given? It was never about too big to fail, it was always about looting the infinite printing press of the U.S. Treasury and Federal Reserve. Now in 2019-2020, the looting has gone on steroids beginning with the REPO crisis that started in September and culminating in "The CARES Act" of 2020. Trillions of dollars injected into the stock market at the drop of a pin. How could the Congress do that when they always whine about the deficit and federal debt? You are an idiot. You call me as ignorant as a millennial, yet you don't even have a grasp on simple national financial matters which are very easy to research! What you are spouting is the narrative directly out of the Oligarch's Propaganda Handbook, which you willingly swallowed whole. You think black people ruined those towns? Then you are nothing but simple tool, easy to use and very obedient. How could you be so submissive? Are you even a real American? No wonder this country is turning into such a cesspool when people like you think you have all the answers, but never actually had an original or inquisitive thought in their lives. Disgusting.
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  779. Patrick Shelly - Good question. The problem that I see is this: Prior to the Reagan era and the infamous Powell Memo, there was a high marginal tax rate. The economy was doing good, more or less. There was however, a massive shift in capitalism when industrialists started to move heavy industry jobs out of the USA in favor of low-wage areas of the world. This move gave rise to what we now call multi-national companies and their ability to exploit labor outside the influence of U.S. law. At the same time, these industrialists started a massive campaign to undermine labor unions in the USA . . . and they succeeded in gutting unionization. Skip to the current era. The power of the worker has been gutted while at the same time the FIRE sector of the economy has expanded exponentially. Our citizens who are workers who gain no advantage from the Finance industry, the Insurance industry has turned into a wealth extraction platform, and the Real Estate industry has been taken over by speculators whose activities have increase the cost of housing several hundred percent while wages are stagnant for the worker. Each one of these industries which comprise the FIRE sector of the economy is essentially a playground for the wealthy, and the so-called gains contribute nothing to the real economy. I will forgo touching on the bailouts this sector received from the U.S. Treasury in order to simplify my answer. High marginal tax rates did not stop the wealthy from creating undue governmental influence in our economy back in the 1960's, 70's and 80's, thus creating the income inequality problem we have today. High marginal tax rates will only slow, but not eliminate the speculation (gambling) industry which is so appealing to those with excessive wealth. Speculation was a contributor to the Great Republican Depression (FDR's name for that era) and is the major contributor to the excessive wealth accumulation of today. Speculation is what caused the Great Recession of 2008, and that behavior has only ramped up since then. Extraction economics is what happens when the real economy fails to perform and the wealthy have to achieve their gains through other means. This will not stop unless a mechanism is put in place to curb these financial behaviors. Here is the big picture: In 1984, the income from rents, dividends and interest payments exceeded the income from wages in the USA. Rents, dividends and interests payments to create income and greater wealth is a form of extraction economics, none of them contribute to the real economy. In the current year, rents, dividends and interest payments exceeded all profits from every company and corporation world wide. This is unsustainable and will lead to an unrecoverable economic crash at some point. The only mechanism I can discern which can prevent or moderate an economic crash of that magnitude is a cap on wealth and income. The thought experiment my daughter and I performed was applied to a family of four, and left out critical components such as the eventual empty nest and inheritance. We agreed that a 100 million dollar wealth cap was substantial enough for a good life, but not enough to buy politicians or to influence votes other than ones own vote. There is no justifiable reason whatsoever for the existence of billionaires, the hoarding of wealth has the same effect on the economy as the loss of blood circulation has on the human body.
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  780. Patrick Shelly - Perhaps the sequence of events should be everything that you have laid out, followed by a cap on income and wealth. The laws and regulations laid down during FDR's administration dealing with banking and finance have been all but rolled back or eliminated, these need to be restored. I agree that campaign finance reform is a necessity in this age, it is an uphill battle with a great deal of resistance. The real problem is this, while there were laws in place which enabled the "Golden Age of Capitalism" from the 1950's to the 1980's, the tools enabling the dismantling of these laws were left in place by FDR when the New Deal was enacted. The tools I refer to is concentrated wealth. Without doing something about that specifically, no reform will ever hold. We have seen this happen repeatedly since the Gilded Age. Right now we have entrenched wealth in the hands of 20% of the global population, more so at the top 1% of the global population than in the remaining upper 19%. Hoarded wealth inhibits or even reverses economic growth. Capitalism demands growth, yet without capital circulation that growth is not possible without expansion into arenas where that expansion is unwelcome or even detrimental. Without the capital that is being hoarded by the wealthy, the consumer and worker class does not have access to capital which is needed to make purchases that are required to continue growth. This situation has lead to anomalous national policies such as the purposeful asphyxiation of the Venezuelan economy by the USA. The USA conspiring with Saudi Arabia to overproduce oil to lower the price, concurrent with the USA levying economic sanctions against Venezuela. The choking of Venezuela's economy was purposefully orchestrated from outside Venezuela with one goal in mind, the seizure of Venezuela's natural resources by multi-national oil companies in order to continue the expansion of capitalism by artificial means. The expansion of capitalism in this manner is not natural and is an economic cancer on the world. The only way we can salvage the situation and possibly restore balance to a global economy (which is quite ill) . . . is to limit the wealth any individual, family, company or corporation can accumulate, while simultaneously eliminating the practice of tax avoidance and international tax havens.
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  821.  @paulcolburn3855  - Everything I sent to you were my own written words, I write prolifically so this is not a problem for me. I also do my own research, then I find multiple sources looking for deviations, a scientific method. Even so, I doubt that you will follow up. Not because you are lazy, just indoctrinated. I've been there myself. Spent 55 years of my life believing what you just wrote, but it is simply not true. I don't mind at all when someone grows wealthy from their own good work. But to put the fruits of their labor into a Ponzi scheme called the financial markets, where their well earned fortune grows exponentially beyond the means of the productive economy to support? That is theft, actually looting or pillaging are more accurate words. Your wrote three paragraphs of indoctrination material. The wealthy spend a small fortune putting that material together and another small fortune disseminating it over decades. Those are facts, the real facts on the ground. You are far too invested in this indoctrinated knowledge to question it, but I gave you the roadmap. I know it takes time, because I put in the time, to go over the Federal Reserve charts and list out the dates and numbers, then do the math. The chart links are in my previous post. The wealthy paid a lot of money to indoctrinate the both of us. It took me over five years of research, in my spare time, to learn what exactly was going on. The scope is staggering, but they have the resources to accomplish this feat. For me, it all boils down to a simple math equation. Over a 55 year period, you simply cannot get a 4599% increase in wealth from an economy that has only grown by 336%, especially when that wealth started out at half the size of the 1965 economy. It is simply impossible. Our economy is not capable of this feat, so none of those billionaires you mentioned actually earned a majority of their wealth, they just tapped into a pre engineered wealth looting machine to get it.
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  846. Donald Grant - Sadly there is no political party laying out a "plan" for the future development of mankind. We are far past the point where a political candidate can repeat "jobs, jobs, jobs" and get elected. Tax cuts are not the answer either. When I look about, it is apparent to me that we no longer need tall shiny new skyscrapers and corporate "development". That is a piss-poor way to spend our resources. It is also apparent to me that endless growth is not viable or even possible. What are we as humanity actually doing? Nobody seems to know. It is time for us, and by "us" I mean the population at large . . . to design our own future. It is absolutely useless to have Apple for example, sitting on over 200 billion that it cannot find suitable investments for, simply because the capitalist rate of return is not enough for Apple to "risk" that money. We the People can find suitable investments for that money. So rather than giving Apple a huge tax cut so they have more money they are unwilling to invest, we need to appropriate those resources. Can you imagine the teachers that could be hired and paid decently with the money Apple spent on that stupid spaceship building . . . er, tech campus? Yet there is no political vision of the future being offered by any of the current crop of politicians. All I ever hear is short term platitudes like, "jobs and infrastructure" . . . which is the equivalent of looking at your feet while walking instead of looking down the road toward a destination.
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  867. Lori Cataldi - This why we have to refocus our energy. Our efforts are wasted when we try to do reforms of any kind, because those reforms will always be dismantled. Instead of changing a myriad of different laws trying to combat undue influence, there are only two simple rules that must be placed into law. First in an Annual Income Cap, the second is an Accumulated Wealth Cap. It is vast wealth in the hands of individuals which is the root cause of all our woes and the dysfunction of wealth inequality in our worldwide collective societies. Vast wealth is the toolkit used to dismantle all reforms put into law, and the one glaring example I will put forward is FDR's New Deal. In the decades since the New Deal, the wielders of vast wealth have been dismantling the New Deal piece by piece. Now the New Deal is gone, destroyed. This happens to every law, every reform ever put in place to protect the majority. There is a simple guide as to what the caps should be. By all means, earn your millions until you have enough for you and your family to live in the utmost of luxury for a lifetime. Beyond that point, return everything you earn back to the society that helped you create the wealth in the first place. No one makes millions in a vacuum, everyone who does so has the help of the entire society of human beings . . . every millionaire made is a joint venture with society. I'm 57 years old and my eldest daughter is 30 years old. Between us we have the life experiences of our generations. We did a "thought experiment" to ascertain what the income and wealth limits should be. Her ideas encompassed more than my own, so we generally went with her numbers. I would like to see more of us doing such "thought experiments" so we can come up with a consensus that will make an annual income and accumulated wealth cap palatable to the majority. Do these two things and all dark money political contributions evaporate down to a level where the will of the few no longer dominates the will of the many. We already know excessive wealth beyond what is needed to live a life of utmost luxury is mostly then used to exert power over the powerless.
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  875. The end game for republicans is to burn down the Constitution and hand the country to the oligarchs to begin the New American Autocracy. It is not just the "small Government" cult, it is much larger than that. In the modern age it stated with the 1971 Powell Memo written by a SCOTUS Justice, however the tentacles go back in time to the Butler rebellion attempted coup d'etat against FDR. The republicans have brainwashed their supporters for over 100 years. The "personal responsibility" and "rugged individualism" cons are perfect examples. The roots of the personal responsibility con goes back to when the old industrialists pulled workers off the farm to work in factories, it is a scam to transfer guilt from perpetrators to innocents. These capitalists knew they were ruining a self sustaining way of life in the name of profits and they needed a way to subdue workers when layoffs occurred. So they used psychology as diversion. The rugged individualism scam was used to convince the worker population that one day they too might become rich and you don't want some damn socialist stealing the gains of your hard work. The capitalists knew full well that with a population to defend them, they could keep on getting rich off worker toil, pay off the right people and build wealth with little to no effort on their part. Look at the wealthiest 1% today, these people do not know the meaning of hard work. Do any of you think Bezos or Gates actually break a sweat for the 20 million a week they supposedly EARN? The fuse on this powder keg was lit decades ago. In 1982 the income from rents, dividends and interest surpassed ALL of the combined wages being paid in the USA and it has grown worse with every passing year. Now, in this decade after the 2008 recession, the income from rents, dividends and interest has surpassed the earnings of all companies and corporations . . . world wide. We live in an Extraction Economy, all economic growth is a measure of wealth they are extracting from all of us, not from actual economic productivity. The republicans did this at the bidding of their masters, the Donor Class or 1% . . . and in the 1980's the democrats jumped into bed with the republicans by taking campaign donations or bribes from the Bankers and Wall Street. The incentive, is that all these politicians are getting rich. You cannot become a multi-millionaire from $170, 000 annual salary with the high prices in Washington DC. Yet, most members of Congress are exactly that, millionaires. Trump's purpose is to weaken and topple the democracy once and for all, that is why the republican Senators are sticking with him . . . to get their reward when the democratic USA is toppled.
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  891.  @prisonmike4971  - Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  894.  @Selig07  - Critical thinking? Ok, I just watched this video. First of all, Prager U is a propaganda channel set up by Dennis Prager. While his videos are very appealing to conservatives, they are highly skewed. When I refer to "progressives", I'm not talking about the way households or local governments are run. I'm talking about how the federal government is run and the way the wealthy gain more wealth. We run our household with conservative methodology. Local and state governments must operate using a conservative methodology or they will go broke. That is not the way the federal government or those with excessive wealth operate. There is a distinction and a difference. The federal government creates money and can never go broke. None of our federal tax money is used to run the federal government, all of the federal government operating expenses are covered through congressional appropriations and spending bills signed by the president. Spending bills signed into law are the check, and the U.S. Treasury can always cash the check. The federal government chooses to sell bonds, though there is no requirement for this, it is a safe haven for savings because the federal government can never go broke. Our federal tax money is used to retire older bonds, but the reason the federal debt keeps going up is because taxes have been lowered over the past four decades for the higher income and wealthy citizens, so there is not enough taxes coming in to retire bonds. Of course there are other reasons for the federal debt going up, useless wars, bailing out banks and Wall Street, subsidies to industry, etc. However the main reason we have a federal debt is that the U.S. government is the source of all currency and if that currency is withdrawn by balancing the budget, we would be in perpetual economic depression. Those with excessive wealth (I consider the wealth of Dennis Prager to be on the low end of the excessive wealth scale), use this type of propaganda to advocate for low taxes for the wealthy, by trying to equate themselves with a middle income conservative household. They are nothing like a conservative household. The exponential growth of compounded interest creates wealth by extracting it from the very conservative households this propaganda is appealing to. Look here, there is an example of the accumulation of wealth put forward by a 1700's philosopher that I like to use. The economist Michael Hudson translated his writings into U.S. currency so we could understand it. If you took one U.S. penny at 5% compounded interest, and started it in a savings account at the birth of Jesus Christ, by the year 1750 the value of that initial penny would be over 180 earth size globes of SOLID GOLD. This of course, is completely unsustainable. By issuing this kind of conservative propaganda, the wealthy elites are trying to obscure from us the way they grow their wealth, not from hard work and effort like you, or Elon Musk, but from extracting wealth from all of us, so they can get compounded interest based on their already immense accumulated wealth. The same thing happens when you get 20% of the population who have accumulated wealth 2.5 times our annual GDP, the compounded interest being paid on that accumulated wealth can only be gained by extracting wealth from the bottom 80%, but even then, there is a limit. This is why since late September of 2019, the Federal Reserve has been pumping liquidity into the banking system like mad. The world is running out of money to pay interest to the wealthy. Central banks all over the world are pumping currency into the banking system, and that currency is being borrowed by corporations and the wealthy seeking a greater rate of return in the stock markets. That is the entire reason the stock markets are booming. Being progressive in the modern era means putting a stop to the over-accumulation of wealth, because it is simply unsustainable. It is not about jealousy or envy, those words are propaganda talking points. It is about our very survival as a species, that is what being a "progressive" is all about these days.
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  916. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  949. +Trixiegirl88 - Thank you for the FHA MIP insight. Working and saving for a home is a given, to be sure. I'm set to understand conservative republicans are always concerned about the taxpayer costs and the federal debt. Since I have researched this arena quite a lot, I am not as concerned for many reasons of which I will give only two, in the interests of time and space. 1). The discretionary budget for the federal government is overloaded with military costs, eating up 55% of the one trillion dollar discretionary budget. As a U.S. military researcher specializing in WW2 and after, I can assure you we have no need for that much military spending and even less need for a 55 billion dollar expansion to the military budget. We simply put, do not have a threat level to this country's homeland that justifies that level of expense. 2). As a home owner you are probably familiar with debt to earnings ratios. The U.S. annual federal debt is about 4% of GDP and total deficit at about 104% of GDP. The entire population is under taxed when compared the period between 1945 and 1980, yet even with this total deficit the United States is not debt burdened anywhere close to where we have been in the past. The federal government can handle helping first time buyers with FHA MIP, it should not fall on the sellers shoulders because that is a transferred "tax" you have no need to bear. Now about the howls and screams coming from the left, I'm afraid I have to admit that comes from the less well informed left. For myself and others I know, we like to deal in verifiable facts. For that I rely on Robert Reich, Dr Richard Wolff, Noam Chomsky, and news sources not in the corporate media realm. These people always give sources and demand that people do their due diligence with verification. There is a verifiable threat right now to the Constitution and (dare I say it) a long running assault on the American people using the economy as a weapon. Luckily the perpetrators of this assault do not have all their pieces set on the board. All the screaming and marching is mostly being done by those that can feel the assault but do not understand it. The riots I believe are a tool, instigated by masked persons whose affiliation is unknown at this time. The goal of the economic assault on the American people is as old as mankind, some people believe they have the god-given right to rule. They seek to return us to the Lord/serf and Master/slave regime, except this will be the modern version with modern tools and technology. Two of many simple indicators are these: 1). The American worker has not had a raise in pay commensurate with the GDP and inflation for over 35 years, yet the GDP has doubled in that time period. Ask yourself, where did all the money go? 2). The top tax bracket has enjoyed a 55% reduction in income taxes during this same time period. Now combine the two and you get a top 1% that has absorbed all of the proceeds from a doubling of GDP and they also got a 55% tax break. Care to guess where the economic assault on the American people is coming from? These are the factual events powering up the left wing of the U.S. political system. If these events are allowed to continue unchecked it will cause the demise of the U.S. Constitution and our democratic republic. A new country will arise with only two classes of people, the tiny upper class with all the rights, voting privileges, power and wealth, and the massive under class with no rights, voting privileges, power or wealth.
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  955. BTW White Defiler of the Constitution: Trump will fail to produce jobs in WI, MI, OH and PA and will also lose the presidency. If not well before 2020, he will certainly not win re-election. It is not in his best interests to be concerned with jobs or the economy. He and his cabinet have one thing in mind, hollow out the American economy completely and line their own pockets. dOnald tRump, the big jobs dealmaker: You know how tRump bragged that he personally negotiated with Ford Motor Company, who was going to build an assembly plant in Mexico, to build the Ford Focus for U.S. consumers, But tRump convinced Ford not to build that plant in Mexico? You know, your hero Prez- tRump was making a deal saving American jobs? Guess what you frakked up Moron - Ford is building that plant in China instead. You know, no American jobs saved or gained? You know China, where tRump and daughter just got a bucket full of Chinese trademarks for their businesses? You know China, where tRump will never say a bad word about Ford's new plant there, because he and Prez Xi Jinping are best buds now? Since your president has lied to you hundreds of verifiable times and you seem not to care, takes actions as president that go directly against his campaign promises and you don't seem to care, fills his cabinet with billionaires and corporate criminals like Goldman-Sachs alumni who are out to loot the country, and you don't seem to care, his cabinet and his executive orders will lead to a severe crash of the American economy, and you don't seem to care, you know . . . that tweeting Robber Baron who seeks only to line his own pockets using the Office of the President of the United States of America, and you don't seem to care? That makes you part of the problem and a supporter to a verifiable self dealing traitor to the country. Doesn't that make you a traitor as well? Lets see what everyone else thinks in 2018.
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  958. Your family is suffering from neoliberal policies that originated in our government well before Obama. Your ire should be more properly focused on the real culprit. Not focused what you perceive as burdensome taxes, but rather on the fact that wages have not kept pace with worker productivity since 1973. Back in the days after WW2 and up to 1973, workers received 70% of the yearly GDP increase in the form of higher wages. Since 1973 with wages adjusted for inflation, workers have received 0% in wage increases even though GDP has more than doubled. Where did all the profits go to then if not the workers? It went into the pockets of the 1%, the very same people who have been funding this idea that smaller government is better for all of us. You . . . my friend, have been shafted by the ultra-rich. It is not higher taxes that are your enemy, higher taxes are the enemy of the rich and they have fooled you into thinking the same applies to you. If the minimum wage has kept up with GDP since 1973, in most area of the country it would be above $18/hour. Conservatives have a fit when an $15/hour minimum wage is proposed, and it is not because it would be bad for business . . . simply that part of their profits would evaporate to pay what they should have been paying all along. I really doubt the ultra-rich work that hard for what they have. They have pocketed all the profits from GDP since 1973, and their taxes have been cut by more than 30% in the top bracket since then. Cutting government or further cutting of taxes will not solve your family's burden.
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  965. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  979. Chase Musqkwanto - Ok, that is fine. However that will not solve our greater, recurring problem. Hillary is the same as trump, money equals power. Unfortunately I did not discover that for myself until after the 2016 election. Some perspective is in order. I am 57 and a machinist by trade. All I ever wanted a secure job so I could support my family and pay my bills. That has never materialized in my entire lifetime, and like so many Americans I blamed myself. Now I don't work in the trades, been attempting the self employment route for over a decade. Patterns and processes are my life's work and it was clear something outside of my control was exerting influence over my personal economy. So I researched for two solid years and found the monkey wrench in the machinery. It is this: too much money equals the power to meddle in other peoples lives. If we as a society don't fix the problem, there will be more hillary's and more trump's to come. If we all sit around and saying what about isms . . . the problems we all face will never be solved. We must address the root cause, and that is not trump alone or hillary alone. We are required to look into the recent past and then yes . . . into the deeper past and compare to the present day. If we fail this, we all continue to suffer. That is fact. So instead of focusing all our attention on the idiot in chief, we must address the root causes and deal with that. I'll bring this to anyone's attention as I have time, but I lament that short sightedness seems to be the currency of our realm.
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  1048.  @alaskansummertime  - I am voting(already voted for him in CAL primary) for Sanders, and here is why. Mike Bloomberg, and all oligarchs for that matter, have convinced Boomers (my generation) and those before the Boomers, that is just fine to sacrifice the future of OUR children and grandchildren. Modern capitalism is a con game, as best illustrated by a quote from Michael Hudson's paper titled "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four Thousand Year Overview. Part 2." "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Today, the top 20% have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Using the same 5% interest rate, the interest payment alone on those financial assets would be 13.41% of the 2018 U.S. national economy. Since the economy grew at far less that 13% in 2018, this means that the interest paid to the top 20% was EXTRACTED from all of us. For those interested in Michael Hudson's paper, here is the URL: http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1064. OrionPax09 - This why we have to refocus our energy. Our efforts are wasted when we try to do reforms of any kind, because those reforms will always be dismantled. Instead of changing a myriad of different laws trying to combat undue influence, there are only two simple rules that must be placed into law. First in an Annual Income Cap, the second is an Accumulated Wealth Cap. It is vast wealth in the hands of individuals which is the root cause of all our woes and the dysfunction of wealth inequality in our worldwide collective societies. Vast wealth is the toolkit used to dismantle all reforms put into law, and the one glaring example I will put forward is FDR's New Deal. In the decades since the New Deal, the wielders of vast wealth have been dismantling the New Deal piece by piece. Now the New Deal is gone, destroyed. This happens to every law, every reform ever put in place to protect the majority. There is a simple guide as to what the caps should be. By all means, earn your millions until you have enough for you and your family to live in the utmost of luxury for a lifetime. Beyond that point, return everything you earn back to the society that helped you create the wealth in the first place. No one makes millions in a vacuum, everyone who does so has the help of the entire society of human beings . . . every millionaire made is a joint venture with society. I'm 57 years old and my eldest daughter is 30 years old. Between us we have the life experiences of our generations. We did a "thought experiment" to ascertain what the income and wealth limits should be. Her ideas encompassed more than my own, so we generally went with her numbers. I would like to see more of us doing such "thought experiments" so we can come up with a consensus that will make an annual income and accumulated wealth cap palatable to the majority. Do these two things and all dark money political contributions evaporate down to a level where the will of the few no longer dominates the will of the many. We already know excessive wealth beyond what is needed to live a life of utmost luxury is mostly then used to exert power over the powerless.
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  1095. Being well off is not a bad thing, but how much wealth do people actually need? Once one person surpasses earnings or wealth that puts them and their family beyond the need to work for a living, that is quite enough. It has been shown time and time again that people who pursue wealth beyond their actual needs and beyond a luxury lifestyle, those people are in pursuit of power. This has proven to be extremely bad for society and humanity at large. It is time for us as a society to put stringent limits on how much in earnings and wealth a single person or family can accumulate, because our history has shown wealth beyond that point has detrimental effects on society as a whole. Same thing for large businesses and corporations. It is against the best interests of society to let a company or corporation grow so large, that it starts to devour (as in buy up) other companies. Such behavior needs to be strictly limited or eliminated, for the common good of society. People who have talent and/or good ideas should be rewarded handsomely for their contributions to society. Those same people need to be trained that beyond their handsome rewards, their contribution to society also needs to include the excess wealth generated going back into society . . . to help fund other very smart people in bringing their contributions to society. This should be a civic duty, rather than being looked at as it is now . . . as theft of what a person has "rightfully earned". Besides, when you have so much money that it sits in investment accounts earning interest . . . can that money really be considered as something they have really and truly earned? The rate on return for billionaire investors is more than the GDP growth of entire countries. How is this helpful when those investment accounts help to periodically crash the economy?
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  1100. bluewater454 - Your guess is incorrect. Within your guessing, you have made too many assumptions. The pattern of your assumptions are skewed by ideology, the imprint of which is obvious. You are also making assumptions about "dispelling myths before you can get to the truth". My world is engineering. I see social problems and economies in that context. The facts are pretty obvious to me, the current machinery involved has issues. Those issues can be mapped out, then they can be dealt with and repaired if the people involved act in a rational manner. Since people are highly irrational, engineers can deal with that element in their designs also. So far, you have contributed one item to my base of knowledge. For that I am grateful. However, you are being frustratingly obtuse when it comes to engineering a social/economic system that works for a majority of people. Relying on the mindless capitalism driven market forces has already provided more than enough evidence that it will not fit the aforementioned criteria. To say that such a system cannot be accomplished is simply rubbish. If you really step back and look at us humans closely, you can see the signs that some of humanity is trying to cast off technological adolescence and take the next steps in our evolution. The humans entrenched in our existing adolescence are fighting to keep us there. Clearly the more evolved humans will have to carry their backwards looking brethren unwilling into our shared future. That takes planning, and to ignore this imperative is to allow humanity to commit suicide. So you got it wrong. I'm not looking for a utopia, I'm looking to engineer a future society in which we survive and prosper. I have ideas based on engineering concepts that can work even with a disruptive adolescent segment fighting change . . . but lets not forget that I asked for you to put forward ideas. Please think outside "Wealth creation is a behavioral discipline" because that was not what I asked you about. You are the one stuck in that static time loop, it seems to be the only solution you have to offer. Break out of those limited confines and contribute something useful.
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  1101. bluewater454 - Please explain: "if you are interested in hearing about economic theories that eliminate the need for freedom and personal choices," This smacks again of predisposition, the inferred point is that obvious. Humans will always need freedom and personal choice, these are essentials built into any machinery applied to our future. I continue to belabor the same theme and it is tedious. What is your plan, what is your construct, what is your framework for a human society designed suitable to insure "the general welfare" and "insure domestic tranquility" of the majority of its citizens? The free market is a myth. Markets are essential within the machinery, yet none exist in a free floating self governing form. Unregulated businesses are harmful to society, every flavor of disrepute and greed is possible and inevitable. Therefor the "free market" does not truly exist nor will it ever exist. Markets are part of the machinery of human society, they need to be interpreted as such and no more. Same for business, private enterprise and commerce in general. Humanity is on the verge of doing the great things which are now possible, yet it cannot and will not do so with the current economic machinery. Time to evolve the machinery so that we can do those greater things. So here is another question for you: Is everyone in your family on the same behavioral discipline wavelength as you are? Or do you help out Aunt May and Uncle Ernie for the sake of family, because maybe they are not that disciplined? Is that not the purest form of "socialism"? You do help your family . . . yes? I would go so far as to say we are all very "socialist" at the bottom line. Seems to me that there is a wide variety of knowledge and disciplines within humanity, and only a few are solidly into wealth creation behavioral discipline. Of those who are, I have noticed a disturbing trend to not question how the wealth creation is actually taking place . . . it takes a great deal of "behavioral discipline" to ignore the negative externality cost issues which arise from "wealth creation" as a way of life. For most people, the social connections are far more important than wealth creation . . . rightfully so because we are social creatures. The "free market" and "wealth creation" aspects of our lives are actually an artificially constructed way of life, being forced upon society by those few who benefit. So what is your plan? I get the feeling you really don't really have one.
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  1111. @Amy Mendez - How can Bernie win, when the American people let him down? Right now, you have 23 comments. Not a single one of these comments mentions anything important, because the American people have become stupid, can't focus, can't do simple math, therefore the American people force Bernie Sanders to dumb down his messages just so he can communicate with us. What is wrong with you people? Here is the whole problem we have in a nutshell: The 1% are consuming more than the economy can grow, they are our cancer and we ignore the treatment. Can't you people do basic math? We have a $20 trillion national GDP growing at 2.5% per year. The 1% have over $30 trillion in wealth, money demanding interest payments. Last time I checked, the milk toast S&P 500 index funds has averaged 9% since 1994. Even if we use a very nominal 5% interest rate, the 1% is consuming 7.5% of our ENTIRE national GDP. That is $1.5 trillion in free money going to the 1% every year, not including their huge Trump tax cut. Stupid people are forcing Bernie Sanders to talk about raising the minimum wage, free college, Medicare for All and what not . . . . because we are simply incapable of confronting our real issue. Left unchanged and unchallenged, the 1% will consume everything within 15 years. You want to do something about climate change? Well, you can't . . . not unless you deal with the 1% first. There is no system, man made or natural, which does not have limits. Without limits, everything blows up or dies another gruesome way. So why can't people get it through their thick heads that there must be a hard limit to wealth? This is the very definition of stupidity, when we cannot deal with the obvious and this is why Bernie Sanders cannot win.
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  1125.  @whysocurious7366  - One of the ways we ( regular people ) have been fooled over the past several decades is the lack of inflation applied to certain consumer goods. While the cost of housing, healthcare and education have skyrocketed, basic costs of bread, wine and home electronics have been relatively price stable. When considering your question, the first thought that occurred to me was the "gold hammer" and "gold toilet seat". When the government pays for something, the cost is possibly inflated to ridiculous levels, more than if the item was bought directly by consumers. This would lead to greater corporate corruption in my view. I keep harping on the grievous error in how the economy as a system is currently understood. No functional system has an open bottom end and open top end, yet we allow our economy to operate with both. As an example of a useful system, what happens if your car's engine RPM drops too low or revs too high? On the low RMP end, the engine dies. On the high RPM side the engine will burn up and die. Every system has upper and lower limits, but not our economy? Why? The answer is that an open ended economic system is built for the wealthy, and it always crashes (which serves the wealthy). People drop out of the bottom because the system cannot support them. The open top allows the very wealthy top drain resources from everyone else. The subsidizing of the 1% owner class companies is a direct result of the open top end, because there are no limits to wealth accumulation. However, it is a mistake to focus on the means of production as the problem source when the real debilitating root problem is the "money for nothing" "investment" scheme we have. The term "investment" is being deliberately misused, because real investment involves "risk and reward", while what our present system is simply "reward" (and exponential reward at that). If we are to solve the pressing problems of our age, then we must close off the open ends of our economy. Put a floor under everyone (M4A, UBI, Housing Guarantee, Free College, etc) and put a hard cap ceiling on individual wealth accumulation. If you were to look at the cause and effect of a wealth cap in detail, the ramifications of a wealth cap would be the solving of a great many societal issues and the ushering in of a new "golden age" for humanity.
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  1127.  @christinemusselman5499  - I have voted for Bernie in the California primary. Mayor Pete is just more of the same con job, because he stands for the same thing Bloomberg stands for: Mike Bloomberg, and all oligarchs for that matter, have convinced Boomers (my generation) and those before the Boomers, that is just fine to sacrifice the future of OUR children and grandchildren. Modern capitalism is a con game, as best illustrated by a quote from Michael Hudson's paper titled "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four Thousand Year Overview. Part 2." "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Today, the top 20% have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Using the same 5% interest rate, the interest payment alone on those financial assets would be 13.41% of the 2018 U.S. national economy. Since the economy grew at far less that 13% in 2018, this means that the interest paid to the top 20% was EXTRACTED from all of us. For those interested in Michael Hudson's paper, here is the URL: http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1134.  May Day  - There are simple facts that escape most peoples attention, even a majority of peoples attention, when a discussion or comment contains the words communism or socialism. Lets begin with this, except for scholars and an extraordinary few people who study these countries in depth, people here in the USA simply do not know what communism, socialism or capitalism actually are. Here in the USA, people are exposed to a great deal of propaganda regarding all three. This one is good, that one is bad. We have socialism here, existing side by side with capitalism. In recent decades, the meaning of socialism has evolved to mean something different than it did historically. So has the meaning of capitalism and free enterprise, but again, a majority of people simply don't know this. We have major media sources pumping propaganda, socialism and communism bad, capitalism good. The facts are that capitalism has killed equal or greater numbers of people in its history, but that is not generally known due to media manipulation. The facts are that capitalism has failed and since the government is run by capitalists, it has morphed into "subsidism" or "too big to fail", with the government guaranteeing growing profits even though these corporations should be dead. Money printing has replaced good budgeting, the velocity of capital is near zero, the economy is shrinking (the real economy, not the puffed up GDP numbers), and the wealthiest 0.01% will own all wealth in 35 years. What you, "May Day" are responding to with your comment, is outrage built up by propaganda, not facts, because that is what the wealthy want you to believe. Finally, a majority of people do no actual research, they just believe everything the media talking heads say, not understanding that they are being manipulated.
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  1138.  @wesleyhoulch1887  - Right back at you. " I can't help you if you don't recognize the possibility that you're wrong". Have you considered that your own bias is hindering your judgement? These kids know nothing about case law or police training, you can quote it at them all day after the fact, and it will not change the circumstances. With regards to the girl who spit at an officer, I don't condone what she did and I doubt if she was even aware the law considers that to be an act of aggression. She probably found out for the first time, after her arrest. I supervised my children's education all the way through high school, at no time was there any class or even after school program that covered how police are trained or what may or may not be against the law. Look, I am a parent. My children are grown, past college and have lives of their own. We never had issues like these, which are popping up all over the country right now. What has changed? Well perhaps it has something to do with the bleak outlook for these kids and their futures, if you think they are unaware of this, you would be wrong. Perhaps it has something to do with politicians who blatantly lie all the time, and get away with it. Perhaps it has something to do with the ever more sharply focused fact that we have a two tiered justice system, where the wealthy break whatever laws they please and get away with it, while the poor get put away for years for minor infractions. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact as this video starkly proves, the black student gets pepper sprayed and tazed, while all that happens to the white student who repeatedly gets into the officers faces is a stout shove back. The latter alone is clearly racist, these students were not being treated with an equal hand. What I am saying to you, is your close involvement with the establishment, such as it is, could be clouding your own judgement. "The normal reaction to OC is to shut your eyes and to cover your face. It isn't to rush forward in the direction of police." Why? Is that the only acceptable reasoning? I cannot say how I would react, but I can say that what that kid in the white hoodie did was not unusual when under attack. When you go through police training, assuming it is voluntary, you already have an outcome bias. The police get away with far too much violence these days and the judicial system seems to set things up to allow the police to continue using violence without accountability. I have seen how police shooting and killing citizens gets handled in our country, frankly it is sickening. Since 2014, there have been over 7000 of our citizens killed by police, you can combine the next half dozen countries by their own high rate of police killing and not match the number killed here in the USA. I am just getting sick and tired of this attitude toward violence being accepted, and I will not stop speaking out against it. If that means you feel you cannot then talk to me, so be it, but that kind of attitude solves nothing.
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  1162.  @AaronMinerRunicfire  - I wholeheartedly agree that excess accumulation of wealth arises from the rules we establish regarding property, which is why the wealth and ownership cap must be in front, rather than behind property ownership reforms. First off, I want to establish that private ownership is essential to our society if we want to maintain personal freedoms. Each person must have the lawfully established right to own their home, their car, their clothes, their tools. Everything that is personally used on an everyday basis and is held to be important to each individual person, is an item of individual private property ownership that needs to be protected by law. This lawfully established right of personal property ownership must not however, extend to property which involves the community and society. Here is a commonly accepted example, this aspect of property rights is already well established with respect to roads, with very few exceptions. This is because we communally use the roads, therefor we communally own the roads through our states. There are however private property rights which do hold sway over many aspects of communally used property, the use of which is arranged in such a manner as to disproportionately represent the interests of the owner over the community and society. The workplace is a prime example of a privately owned property which is essential to the community, it is also a prime example of lawfully established private property rights which disproportionately favors the individual over the community and therefor is is a rule that must be altered to favor the community over the individual. The problem that I have been forced to face head on is one of messaging. "boggisthecat" has an excellent point when referring to peoples beliefs. People believe in capitalism, not because it works in their favor but because they believe in the mythology that has been deliberately built up to surround capitalism in a protective shell. I am in complete agreement with most of what you have written, and I particularly enjoyed your snippet on the Mutualist "occupancy and use" rule . . . for which I am in full accord. The real problem we face when trying to change property ownership rules or the many other battle arenas such as "Fight for $15", "Medicare for All", "Climate Change", "Free College" and "Worker Co-ops" . . . is that although each one is important in its own right, the myriad of battle banners has the effect of diluting any effective central messaging and is subject to erosion attacks from the mass of accumulated private wealth and it attendant mythos, which are expertly wielded by legions of lobbyists as weapons against these needed policy changes. Therefor, if we are going to institute and maintain effective reforms to private property laws, we must have an extremely simple and very effective propaganda weapon of our own, something which is a vanguard behind which all other reforms form up to support the hardened tip of the spear . . . a propaganda weapon easily understood and able to be wielded by the masses. This is why I have chosen to focus my attention on the toxicity of hoarded wealth and the need to do something to eliminate it. Every line of inquiry I have made has its own unique path but they all arrive at the same destination, the over accumulation of wealth for the sake of power. A wealth cap and ownership cap is not the sole answer to the problems, instead it is the foundation and anchor point for the rule and law changes which must be made in order to save humanity. We must face the reality of our situation, unlimited wealth accumulation has lead us down the most dangerous path in our history . . . the end of organized intelligent life upon the earth. People need a banner and a war cry to rally behind . . . everything else comes after. That is why we must focus our attention on a wealth and ownership cap, it is simple and easy for the common person to believe in.
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  1168. Tomato Pa - You are correct in virtually every assertion you make. Except you are also virtually incorrect in every assertion you make. On face value using your comments, it would seem that we voters just have to pack up our bags and go home, why bother attempting to change anything? It simply cannot be done. Yet we are seeing political evolution happening before our very eyes. The republican party has moved farther to the right over the decades. The democratic party has also red-shifted so far they have become republican. This creates a vacuum and you know nature abhors a vacuum, a vacuum that progressives are filling and will eventually make into a solid political party. Today's politics and economy in the USA converted to "gas powered aircraft engine parlance" . . . . The carburetor has been leaned out so much that the engine is stalling while the airplane is attempting to climb. Stalling and falling is the next step, no more flying until recovery. Political history tells the story of many turning points. We have been in a status-quo for decades and progressives are now putting a lot of pressure on the far right leaning establishment of both parties. The Powell Memo is still holding sway over the establishment duo, and the democrats are too afraid to change. The turning point is accelerating toward us, now unstoppable. Something will give way, I think it will be the democratic party. Now I'm switching metaphors into the physics realm. Light is both a particle and a wave. Metaphorically, humanity is both a particle and a wave. We have been stuck as a particle for a very long time, now our survival depends on transitioning to a wave. The approaching turning point allows us to make a choice, stay a particle or become a wave. If we stay a particle, the is a solid wall called mass global extinction in our path and we cannot avoid it. If we become a wave, we may still hit the wall and die . . . or we might reflect off the wall. If our chances are slim or nothing . . . I'll take slim every time. No more time for heads in the sand. I have lots of engineering and physics metaphors to describe our historical path, our economy and life in general. Right now we need a "manifold" change-out simultaneously for the economy and our politics. That means thinking outside the "double slit experiment" box. Now, are you going to help me with this new "manifold" design or are we going to keep playing ping-pong?
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  1180. @Michael Kings - How can Bernie win, when the American people let him down? Right now, you have 45 comments. Not a single one of these comments mentions anything important, because the American people have become stupid, can't focus, can't do simple math, therefore the American people force Bernie Sanders to dumb down his messages just so he can communicate with us. What is wrong with you people? Here is the whole problem we have in a nutshell: The 1% are consuming more than the economy can grow, they are our cancer and we ignore the treatment. Can't you people do basic math? We have a $20 trillion national GDP growing at 2.5% per year. The 1% have over $30 trillion in wealth, money demanding interest payments. Last time I checked, the milk toast S&P 500 index funds has averaged 9% since 1994. Even if we use a very nominal 5% interest rate, the 1% is consuming 7.5% of our ENTIRE national GDP. That is $1.5 trillion in free money going to the 1% every year, not including their huge Trump tax cut. Stupid people are forcing Bernie Sanders to talk about raising the minimum wage, free college, Medicare for All and what not . . . . because we are simply incapable of confronting our real issue. Left unchanged and unchallenged, the 1% will consume everything within 15 years. You want to do something about climate change? Well, you can't . . . not unless you deal with the 1% first. There is no system, man made or natural, which does not have limits. Without limits, everything blows up or dies another gruesome way. So why can't people get it through their thick heads that there must be a hard limit to wealth? This is the very definition of stupidity, when we cannot deal with the obvious and this is why Bernie Sanders cannot win.
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  1235.  @javieremoya  - I also appreciate civil discussion, and I do appreciate your candor. I am 58 years old and until I was 55, I thought I was up to date on national, international, and economic events. Turns out, I was not. For the past three years I have been doing some pretty deep research, at first it was just into the economy of the present, but the research took me back decade by decade until I was into a time period around the first world war. Just so you know, the Great depression was a direct result of both industrial and financial deregulation brought on by the three republican presidents Harding, Coolidge and Hoover. In addition to deregulation (which brought on rampant speculation in the latter half of the 1920's, leading to the crash), Hoover tried to help the economy through tariffs (sound familiar?), which failed with disastrous results. Right after FDR was elected, he had to choose from three alternatives. 1) a workers revolt, which could cause the USA to go the direction of Russia, 2) allow the USA to follow a fascist path by melding the government into business interests, or 3) try the new Keynesian economic model where the government became the employer if business was unwilling or unable to employ the population. The corporate and wealthy interests were so unhappy with FDR's choice, they tried to overthrow the government (The Butler Rebellion of 1933) and assassinate FDR. The attempted coup d’état participants included the DuPont's and the father and grandfather of our Bush presidents, Prescott Sheldon Bush. I am going to differ with you over being in a desperate time. Right now, the top 20% of the global population owns 94.5% of all wealth. There is no room now to grow, because the bottom 80% has no money to spend in order to grow the economy. Furthermore, in the USA the top 20% hold so much in financial assets, just the interest paid to them is over 13% of GDP, which is far greater than GDP growth. To put it another way, the top 20% are stripping wealth from the bottom 80% just in order to get "free money". Just to illustrate how unsustainable our present course is, take one penny at 5% interest from the time of Jesus Christ to the year 1750, the result would be 150 earth size globes of solid gold. What we are doing now with the economy will ruin us all. With regards to guns, you must look carefully at the wording of the 2nd Amendment. It says nothing about firearms . . . . and what it does say are the words "well regulated". The founders had never seen a repeating rifle, nor a cartridge or even a bullet, because those things had not yet been invented. They had muzzle loading muskets and pistols back then, one shot per barrel and the projectiles were balls, that is where the word "rounds" came from. The 2nd Amendment has been bent out of shape, mainly because by doing so, it diverts attention away from other, more important issues. As a gun owner, I want well regulated ownership laws, including passing a mandatory safety exam and I want gun owners to be licensed, just like how we are licensed to drive a car. None of that is unreasonable, and all of it will cut down on the one million who die every 25 years in the USA from guns.
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  1239.  @Repdem  - How? Good question. It will be a multi stage effort, beginning with us regular citizens being able to recognize the problem. The first issue involves the math of finance. I'll set the stage with the following set of facts: Our economy has grown at an average pace of 2.56% annually over the past thirty years. Economist's like Mark Blyth have said that unless "investments" pay more than 5%, you might as well burn you money in the back yard, so we can use that 5% as a baseline for "rate of return". Wealth takes many forms, so I am going to focus on "financial assets". In 2019, privately held financial assets exceeded $90 trillion. The economy of 2019, by comparison is much smaller at $21.5 trillion. Investments are supposed to earn their rate of returns from the real economy, so the question is this, how does a huge pile of wealth ($90 trillion) make 5% interest from a much smaller economy ($21.5 trillion) that only grows by 2.56%? Here are the real numbers. In 2019, the economy grew by $848.8 billion. Financial assets grew by $4.5 trillion. If only 19% of the value growth in financial assets we cashed in as capital gains, it would wipe out ALL economic gains for the year. The "real economy" cannot pay these huge economic gains, this is why we have had three huge banking "bailouts" from the federal government over the past twenty years. Our economy has been rigged like a huge Monopoly game, at this rate it will only take 12 to 15 years before all wealth is owned by the top 10%. Understanding this fact is the first step. Unless we want to become serfs in a new feudal system, we must understand how our current finance system is set up and we must tell all our friends and neighbors. The next stage involves our vote. We cannot keep voting for the person with the most campaign money. In the primaries, I vote for the person who raise the least amount of campaign money, if they have a decent campaign platform. We must all do this, or wealth will always select our politicians. There is more, but these are the first two stages. We ordinary people must understand the finance trap, or we are doomed.
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  1241. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1243.  @adamt1828  - How can I take you seriously when the first thing you write is that "the government" wants to keep people poor? That is an oligarch talking point, pure distilled propaganda. The federal; government at the level of the Senate, the House of Representatives, the Executive branch, all of the Cabinet posts and all the agencies that report to the executive are owned by the wealthy. Case in point: Biden was selected, not elected, because the elites could not allow Bernie Sanders to become President (they made a winner out of a clear loser). Our local District 10 representative's campaign was paid for by maximum individual donations, i.e., the top 1%. No one else could get close because of the campaign money gap. This recipe is repeated through every district and with very few exceptions, the moneyed candidate always wins. Every Senator with the exception of Sanders and Whitehouse are bought and paid for by moneyed interests, not selected democratically. As for my "unsound theory", it is born out by research. Our economic system is akin to religion, having little to do with any sound scientific principles. Case in point: name one thing in the natural world, living or not, that is capable of infinite growth without entropy. Just one. The free market is a myth. Rugged individualism is a myth. Just because you bought a bill of goods, that greed is good and theft is the order of the day, does not mean that rational people must also believe that garbage. Freedom is a myth. You my friend, are fully indoctrinated, doctrine being the key word here (noun: a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group).
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  1251.  @adamt1828  - The point is being missed by a wide margin, perhaps intentionally. The answer is no. It is not possible in this day and age for an American to wander freely, go where one will and live off the land as our ancestors did. To wander freely. This is not possible due to partitioning. Wandering freely will bring an American into direct conflict with private property owners. The second answer is yes, we rely on a human built economy to survive. The problem with both partitioning and the need for a human built economy for survival, lies in how both the partitioning and the economy are organized. Mr. McGillacutty brought up compounding, which is a mathematical process, not an economic process. All economic processes grow, then level off, then taper down. By imposing an unnatural formula to our economy, one of infinite growth through compounding, most people will be bound into debt peonage. Both yourself and Mr. McGillacutty have chosen to ignore this detail, however math does not lie. The sum total of financial assets are growing exponentially, at a faster pace than our GDP, and currently have five times the mass of our GDP. The inevitable result is fewer and fewer people owning all capital assets. Everyone else gets lifelong debt. Just because a few people escape this does not change the aggregated result. This is not an economy that can support a society, the numbers don't lie. Financial asset gains equaled 49% of GDP on 2020, and 66% of GDP in 2021. It will be 88% of GDP in 2022. Once the annual growth of financial assets reaches over 100% of GDP, everything you claim is possible now, will be impossible from that point forward.
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  1255.  @JorgeGonzalez-gu7ve  - Just to be very clear about this, capitalism is not going anywhere. You seem to be inferring that socialism starves people to death, that is not any different than capitalism. It can be shown that capitalism kills approximately 14 million people per year, not because of a lack of resources. The top 1% hoard more than 50% of global wealth, they also control the means of production and distribution of goods. *If the top 5 wealthiest business people gave only 10 percent of their net worth to ending world hunger, or only 3 percent to provide clean water everywhere on the planet, then these issues would be more than eradicated. *However, there is no profit for them in doing this. Therefore, they don’t fix these issues, and never will. Millions more will die because the wealthiest people on our planet do not care about humanity. The wealthiest people on our planet care only about amassing more power, no matter the human cost. Wealth in the capitalist system means power. You just might get your wish. Just this year, the capitalist economic system reached its breaking point. There will be home grown insurgents in the streets soon, disrupting supply chains. This means we have a better than even chance that in the next ten years, starvation will be a reality for most people. Don't want that to happen? Then you had better start accepting that capitalism needs some urgent modification, and a little bit of socialism will not hurt you. * http://horizons-newspaper.com/index.php/2020/02/27/tallying-capitalisms-death-toll/
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  1258. Peter - You took lessons from Joseph Goebbels, correct? Lots and lots of propaganda, entertainment for the masses . . . yes? You wrote: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" "Who decides how much to take from those with ability? Who decides what peoples needs are? I decide. Plus you, my daughters, and the couple next door decide, but not a centralized government. I and every other citizen decide together how to allocate resources. You keep trying to spin Marxism into a "government controls everything" . . . bad communist! BAD IDEA!! Yet Marxism is very capable of integrating into a decentralized society where individuals make the pertinent decisions about how to run society. Society can function fully and much more capably when resources are not concentrated, but instead spread out so that all citizens may have the opportunity to contribute their talent. That does not mean you cannot live in the lap of luxury if you are capable and choose to do so, by all means live it up. What it does mean is that at some point . . . you have more than enough to live in the lap of luxury. Any more than that is simply wasted on you . . . and could have the effect of giving you a mental illness that could kill all of humanity you don't get treatment. The treatment of course is to never allow any single human to control so much wealth that they become . . . POWER HUNGRY. Preventive medicine here is the key. When you have enough, you should feel no regret, no jealousy, that the excess you have generated goes back into the society from whence it came. As the excess flows back to society it powers the minds and imaginations of other citizens by supporting them in their endeavors. Society enforces the behavior of "giving up your excess", yes indeed . . . because society has learned to its detriment the folly of allowing concentrated wealth in the hands of a very few individual human beings. Now you might say, yes but I resent that those freeloaders are getting my money which you took by force. Some of them will do nothing except be lazy. Yeah, so what. I resent that you kill peoples jobs thus probably some of their lives as well . . . and you feel good about that. The thing you are missing here is this: a significantly greater number of people thus supported by society will contribute useful or even great ideas and products . . . things that make society better as a whole. The frequency of those wonderful things happening will be far greater than could ever happen within the "free market" because the enforced penalty extraction drag of capitalism would be removed. This type of success will never be possible in the dog eat dog, clawing in the dirt to survive, capitalist world you have created and love so much. Continuing to do things your way dooms humanity to extinction as our worst instincts make the planet unlivable for all but the cockroaches. Yours is just one way of looking at things Peter. It is the wrong way, as proven by the past forty years. I'm not putting up with it any longer than necessary. Capitalism may yet survive because it is a very useful tool, but not in the form that you advocate and support.
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  1267.  @sarathompson2035  - I just finished rereading Michael Hudson's paper named "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four-Thousand Year Overview Part II". In this paper, Michael gives example after example of how "usury", can never be satiated and how modern economists suffer from a sort of amnesia, about how compounded interest payment will always in some eventual form become larger than the productive economy's ability to pay. I was looking for a favorite passage in the paper to relate to you here, but ended up reading the entire paper again. Here is the section I was after: "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” In his Observations on Reversionary Payments, first published in 1769 and running through six editions by 1803, Price elaborated how the rate of multiplication would be even higher at 6 percent: “A shilling put out at 6% compound interest at our Saviour’s birth would . . . have increased to a greater sum than the whole solar system could hold, supposing it a sphere equal in diameter to the diameter of Saturn’s orbit.”" This section is an active demonstration that compounded interests always lead to destruction, personal destruction, economic destruction and national destruction (The Roman Empire). There are only two ways this financialization problem has ever been solved, a) debt forgiveness, or b) revolution. Michael wonders about how debt forgiveness has been forgotten as a tool to preserve peace, noting that "In antiquity no governments had gone bankrupt, as public debts did not arise until medieval Europe." There are many gems of information in this paper, a bit of a dry read, but illuminating nonetheless. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1270.  @_derpderp  - Honest answer: UBI and price controls will not work for housing under present economic conditions. Both must be combined with a significant number of other components to become useful and relevant economic policy. UBI and price controls are parts of a system, they cannot work alone or separate without all the other parts working in assembly. UBI is being experimented with, but universal UBI could not work without wealth capping programs and potentially utilizing several other "limiter" policies. The real problem is the exponential growth of "asset" classes, that growth creates a vacuum which is only partially filled by extraction of present and future wealth. These assets are an unrecognized threat, artificial constructs that harm society because they grow faster than any productive economy, if they were biological I would call them fatal viruses. But if you look at any media, stock watching and buying stock in part or "slices" is mainstream business, because the 1% need us to buy into "wealth growth" (stocks used to mean something, now it is a scam). UBI might lower the crime rate, people are getting desperate out there because whether they realize it or not, "assets" are strangling everyone except the 1% asset owners. I'm not holding my breath though, too many people are hoodwinked and I was one not that long ago. The wealthy will fight any UBI and they will win until enough people get wise to this game. Bottom line: the economy is tiny compared to the mountain of "asset" wealth, and the mountain grows faster every year. In a few years, the growth rate of the wealth mountain will eat our entire GDP and still need more wealth to grow, which will be harvested from the future through borrowing. This system puts us all in bondage, but the prevailing belief is that we are all "free". Unless, and until that prevailing belief changes to a realistic planetary economic system, things will get worse year over year.
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  1272. I'm 57 years old and a lifelong voter. My affiliation started with republican, in my 30's I went to democrat and in my 40's I registered as Independent . . . which I stayed at until the Justice Democrats came along and now I affiliate with democratic JD. When a viable progressive third party emerges, that is where I am going. This new progressive party will have a solid base if it can sprout in the toxic wasteland that is the American political landscape. Two things have to happen if we are to emerge from this nightmare. 1) Corporations must be decapitated and made illegal, so that the free enterprise written about in the Constitution can once again take their place in the economy. The Founders were anti-corporation because they had vast experience dealing with crown sanctioned monopolies like the East India Trading Corporation. 2) There needs to be a minimum income and . . . a maximum income, along with a cap on the accumulation of wealth. All of humanities problems with each other stem from the power hungry wealth hoarders. Face it, we human beings simply do not function in the best interests of all people when we accumulate more than what is needed to live a luxury lifestyle. Hunger for power takes over and we are living in the nightmare that results from 12,000 years of trickle up economics feeding the megalomaniacs. Any excess income and wealth generated by individuals and companies has to flow back into the society which enabled that wealth to be created. Experience has shown that the "free market" makes horrible decisions, far worse than what right wingers accuse the government of making. (Plus if you think government has made horrible decisions you are correct, and if you look deeper you will find in every instance private corporations were behind the scenes pulling the puppet strings. So really, the free market corporations are always responsible for government decisions.)
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  1275. Why can't we address the real elephant in the room? With all of our intelligence, no one seems to understand that every system has limits and yet we still seem to think that unlimited wealth accumulation is just fine! All you need is basic math skills to understand how dangerous the notion of unlimited wealth is . . . and the source of the danger is compounded interest. Take the nice round number of $30 trillion currently owned by the 1% now and apply a conservative interest rate of 5%, that $30 trillion doubles to $60 trillion in 14.4 years. In 30 years it will be $120 trillion and in 45 years the total will be $240 trillion. At 45 years out, where exactly is that $210 trillion in earned interest supposed to come from? Add to this situation that the wealthy are not investing in the real economy, they are getting their interest payments out of the financialized economy . . . which means they are taking it from us and looting the U.S. Treasury to achieve their rate of returns. The wealthy have been and continue to loot the wealth of all nations. Right now 17 international wealth funds are holding $50 trillion in "investment" capital, in 45 years that sum will be $400 trillion dollars. Where is all that money in interest payments going to come from? Look, it is simple common sense to place limits on systems. Do you have a pressure pot without a steam release valve? No, that would be stupid. Can your car engine achieve unlimited power? No, that would lead to catastrophic engine failure. There is example after example in the natural world and with virtually every human construction that there are limits beyond which disaster is the imminent result. The same is true with wealth accumulation. I don't know how people can reckon that unlimited wealth accumulation is a natural outgrowth of capitalism . . . yeah, it is if you want economic collapse as the intended outcome. Get real folks, we can never achieve even modest political goals or societal stabilization if we are unwilling to place limits on wealth accumulation. Besides, after a certain point . . . it is pointless to keep accumulating more than a person or their family could spend in 1000 lifetimes.
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  1282.  @Nine-Signs  - I agree with you that it is the system. It seems that you and I are also students of Professor Richard Wolff, who advocates for democracy in the workplace. I also agree that the rich used their wealth to undo all the reforms that FDR put in place. What we have is a situation where over the entire span of capitalism's reign, the wealthy have proven to be reckless and irresponsible, using their wealth to tear down every single reform put into place to help ordinary people. There is not a single reform that they have not attacked and tried to remove when the purpose of the reformed system is to help citizens. So therein lies the problem, wealthy people believe they should rule over everyone else, but they are the ones who cause virtually every problem mankind has ever known outside of havoc nature itself is capable of. My belief is that no reform will ever hold until we deal with the wealthy themselves, by forcing them to become as ordinary as everyone else. No one should be allowed to hold so much wealth, that they can therefor influence politics though think tanks and non-profit organizations their wealth pays for. That does not mean that everyone is the same or that people cannot be wealthy, just the opposite. In order for reforms like workplace democracy to gain a lasting foothold, in order to end the wars, provide healthcare for all citizens and do the dozens of reforms on progressive agenda's, we must first defeat the stranglehold the wealthy and corporations have on our governments. We cannot do so by fighting dozens of simultaneous battles, thus diluting our power, because that is exactly what the wealthy want us to do. No, we must behead the hydra once and for all by restricting the individuals capability to accumulate morbid wealth in the first place. Only then can we make headway on making life better for all citizens of this planet.
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  1289. I can't figure out my fellow Americans, are you too scared, or do you just not care? In 30 years, 10% of Americans will OWN ALL WEALTH. Today Donald Hump proposed rounding up homeless in California and putting them into internment camps costing over $700/day/per individual . . . paid for by the Federal Government. Fox News has been drumming up support for this policy idea all week. For the cost of this "internment" plan, all homeless could easily be housed without losing their freedom. More people are on their way to homelessness and it will include people that used to think it would never happen to them. The 1% in this country have $30 trillion in accumulated wealth they are not spending, at a mere 2% interest it would take all the GDP gains for 2018 plus an additional $40 billion to pay. Yet when I look at S&P500 index funds, they have been paying over 9% since 1994. Look at a more moderate 5% rate of return, that comes out to $1.5 trillion which eats all 2018's GDP gain plus 1/20th of the entire economy. Thom reported on the U.S. Treasury report in August 2019 which spelled out in detail that in 33 years, the top 10% will own ALL wealth in the USA. The bottom 90% are all going to end up in internment camps. So what is wrong with all of YOU, that whenever I bring this topic up of the wealthy eating our economy whole . . . I hear nothing but silence? Are you all too scared to react, to horrified to take serious action, or even to think about what must be done? Is fighting a racist agenda more important to you? These wealthy people don't care at all if you are white, black, brown, yellow or purple. They are distracting us on purpose with everything under the sun, do you simply not care that soon you and your children, your entire families will be homeless or worse . . . in internment camps?
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  1300.  @theAppleWizz  - Well, it looks like I won my wager. I'll tell you a little about myself. When I run my credit report, it says N/A. That is because I pay my bills on time and I do not use credit for anything. Now maybe things were different when I was growing up, seems how I'll be 60 years old on my next birthday, my youth was filled with sound advice. Don't go into debt. Earn and pay your way. Not like today when you need a 650 credit score or higher just to rent a house, regardless of ability to pay. I've watched over the past year as the economy back slid, while the Federal Reserve was pumping massive amounts of liquidity into the banks. The banks needed this liquidity because they transact the funds that go into the market, and the market went up $9.8 trillion (that is trillion with a "t"), an unheard of number to date. Not all of those trillions came from the Federal Reserve printing press or digital keystrokes, a good portion was drained out of good people using credit and just trying to get by. This "market" is not a benign thing. You really should read Michael's paper, the ancient Babylonians knew how to handle debt and wealth. They erased both every so often, so that there would not be the concentrations of economic and political power we suffer from. Oh, by the way, I assume nothing. The Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis (FRED) buts out excellent financial information. Just look at the chart for privately held financial assets, the chart line is an exponential curve. In another 30 years, the top 1% will own all wealth. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TFAABSHNO
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  1305. OrionPax09 - I agree with you 100%. It is as plain as day what trump is doing, destroying everything the USA has built up and stood for since Roosevelt was in office, both domestically and internationally. However trump is but a symptom of what the republicans and corporate democrats have been doing to our country ever since the Powell Memo was written. In the Powell Memo, Lewis Powell quotes Milton Friedman about a powerful attack under way against the American system. Here is the quote: In a foreword to these lectures, famed Dr. Milton Friedman of Chicago warned: “It (is) crystal clear that the foundations of our free society are under wide-ranging and powerful attack — not by Communist or any other conspiracy but by misguided individuals parroting one another and unwittingly serving ends they would never intentionally promote.” With four and a half decades between then and now, I would put forward that what both Powell and Friedman have wrought with their policies have been far more destructive to the American people than those whom they so feared back then. The republicans and the oligarchs have been fighting against the American people ever since General Smedley Butler thwarted the republican and businessman's attempted coup against the USA in the 1930's. Now they are close to getting what they want, which can be compared to the partitioning of England after the Industrial Revolution. The peasants (that would be us), are getting kicked off the land (out of the economy) . . . where we will have to fend for ourselves (no more democracy) and hopefully starve to death. The Powell Memo: https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/democracy/the-lewis-powell-memo-a-corporate-blueprint-to-dominate-democracy/
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  1307. "We can't go on like this". I've been studying the problem Jeff Daniels highlights for awhile now. People want simple answers and solutions, which is impossible because of complex inter-relating systems and the history of such systems. This complexity favors the powerful who have access to, and influence over, communications media. Shape the message and you shape the universe. What is behind Donald Trump or Mitch McConnell's actions? The answer is simple . . . wealth and power. Their kind greed and corruption could exist in the world up til now because no amount of greed could endanger the entire existence of mankind . . . until now. That is what our problem is, we can all feel it even if we cannot explain it, there is something going wrong in our world and we can't go on living like this. The pursuit of unlimited wealth has created fortunes of such magnitude and mass that their effect on all of us is that of a economic and political black hole. Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell are doing everything they do for wealth and power, so wealth and power is the very problem we need to deal with. I look at things this way. The economy is a system that provides sustenance for us to live on. The way that our economy is run is to demand that it grow by 3 to 4 percent per year. Systems don't work like that, I cannot expect my car engine to deliver 4% more power every year without substantial investment in upgrading plus the needed downtime for the upgrades. Plus at some point there will be an end to what can be done to extract more power, the engine will reach a physical limit. To expect that kind of result out of any system is absurd, yet that is what we expect from our economy and "We the People" have not been sharing in that economic growth for about forty years. So who is sucking up all the gains and raising our rents at the same time for all those decades? Whoever they are, they are seriously mucking up the system we depend on to survive. When we recognize that every system has limits, including our economy, then we can solve the problems that give us the Donald Trump's and Mitch McConnell's. If I were gong to give this system a fast makeover, the first thing I want is no more unlimited wealth accumulation for people and corporations. Put a ceiling on personal wealth, simply don't allow people to become wealthy enough to wield power beyond their their one vote. Same goes for corporations, iHeartMedia (formerly Clearwater Communications) does not need to own 855 radio stations which spread only one brand of political message. Every system needs limits to achieve optimal performance, which means that people can still get wealthy . . . just not too wealthy because that is unhealthy for the rest of us. We have not become aware enough of our own growth in numbers and technology. The way we ran our affairs up til now is toxic and eventually fatal for mankind from this point forward. I think people are starting to feel it even if they cannot come to grips with it or explain it.
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  1318.  @anotherworldviewispossible  - I voted for Sanders in the California primary, and here is why: Mike Bloomberg, and all oligarchs for that matter, have convinced Boomers (my generation) and those before the Boomers, that is just fine to sacrifice the future of OUR children and grandchildren. Modern capitalism is a con game, as best illustrated by a quote from Michael Hudson's paper titled "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four Thousand Year Overview. Part 2." "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Today, the top 20% have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Using the same 5% interest rate, the interest payment alone on those financial assets would be 13.41% of the 2018 U.S. national economy. Since the economy grew at far less that 13% in 2018, this means that the interest paid to the top 20% was EXTRACTED from all of us. For those interested in Michael Hudson's paper, here is the URL: http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1331. Joseph Inhiding - You wrote: "Your asking some personal financial questions there." and "Did you have something more specific in mind with your questions?" You are generally on track with your final question: "Do you want general recommendations for revitalizing the USA?" The last question is most relevant to my interests. Some background here, Peter and I have somewhat discussed the current economy and we differ in opinion. I am 56 with two grown daughters, so I have a lifetime of financial and employment experience. Of your advice, it is good and solid mainstream advice. Up until one year ago I was an average guy buying into the average rhetoric about the economy. Thing is, I am a machinist by trade who has decent skills as a mechanical engineer . . . it is all about logic and numbers. For a long time something in the economy did not add up, and one year ago I started looking into the economy in earnest. I am here because I am seeking an alternative to what is obviously an economic system set on self destruct. My purpose in tackling some one like Peter Nachtwey is to get him to explain in detail why he is virulently defending a system that has truly gotten us humans very far, yet has reached past benefit and gone into a destructive mode of operation. To your final question, yes I do want to have discussions about how and by what means we can revitalize the USA, but I also think we may be past that possibility. My attitude is affected by many pieces of information, including what you so properly brought up on the subject of pensions. I welcome discussion with you about these topics, but I also want to draw out Peter Nachtwey and see if I can engage him also . . . except without all the hissing and spitting. The end result is to dig deep into what makes a person defend the status-quo in the face of overwhelming evidence that something is corrupted in the system. As a machinist when I have worked with CAD/CAM systems and when a file gets corrupted in the system, you can't just let it go. Steps must be taken, including sometimes to reboot the system software. The economy is a system . . . with several fatal glitches.
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  1340. Peter Nachtwey - You wrote: "For me it isn't about the money but the challenge but I don't like being exploited by idiots". You are claiming that your taxes are akin to theft and your yourself being exploited. That is really rich coming from a guy whose income is derived from putting people out of work. You are crying about your spilled milk, while the economic activities that enrich you are kicking over your neighbors half full glass of milk . . . which is depriving their families completely of sustenance. You are stealing from us. You claim that taxes are in essence robbery by force. Yet you ignore the force being deployed against the workers of the USA by the extraction economy you are promoting and growing. You accuse me of not providing you with proof. I am the proof, and you are calling me a liar. It was force that deprived me of work in my profession and force that compelled me to take a pizza delivery job instead. It was force that propelled me into an under the table taxi driver job that the "owner" used to extract so much money from the "fares" that vehicle maintenance was impossible, much less surviving on the remaining "income". It is force that has compelled me to stop looking for reliable "full time" employment, because there isn't such a thing anymore. It is force that has caused our family to contract all expenses like travel, clothing and food. This is not our choice but something forced upon us. It is force that is compelling me now to create a product to sell at my own expense, in a market I will have to "force" open in order to succeed. There is no natural demand for anything these days except food, clothing and housing. All other markets are artificially created and maintained through "force". You have no business complaining about your taxes being too high given the circumstances you helped to create in the U.S. economy. You are in the business of putting people out of work. Your words are a slap in the face to every honest American worker who has been sold a bill of goods about the economy and the workers place within it. That is why you and your ilk make me so angry I cannot sleep at night. You won't like it when the workers of the USA get angry en masse. We are tired of the lies you tell about being "forced" to pay taxes to support "freeloaders", when you are forcing us out of our jobs. Whose pain is greater? Certainly not yours. Joseph Inhiding - Look up Peters YouTube channel, you can see there what he does for a living. He is part of the problem here, and he has a vested interest in protecting the status-quo. His vocation is to deprive workers of employment by replacing them with machines. He says he could retire but 35 workers depend on him for employment. Could he not then sell his company to his employees so they could form a coop?
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  1346. Joseph Inhiding - Excellent read. A lot to think about. What you have written is not only about your opinions, but also about making some sense of it all. On your Item 7) "More emphasis on the basics .. reading, writing and math. Only arithmetic is required for basic accounting and basic finance." What has been missing from education for decades is how useful and creative the basics are. Teaching them is not problem, but our education stops after the utility of the basic skill is taught. For instance, the usefulness of basic arithmetic is astonishing and very under appreciated. Just today for a project, I have been making heavy use of basic arithmetic to draw propeller blades for 3D printing. As a model maker and machinist I found basic arithmetic to be essential. Also basic math is used heavily in creative works, amateur astronomy, photography and other hobbies. What infinite things that can be done with the basics . . . is missing in the classroom. My youngest is in college, so I am intimately aware of the modern education experience. Neither of my girls received any awareness of the purposes, or usefulness of what they are were learning up through the 12th grade. College is different, but not that much. I could go on, but that is enough for the moment. Basic math has taken all of my time today. I think with the topic of education, that is enough new material for the time being. I want to go back to the first entry in your numbered list and start my comments from there. You have covered a lot of ground. Very nicely done.
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  1347. Joseph Inhiding - and - Peter Nachtwey I'm going to start out with a chart. This chart shows "real compensation per hour" juxtaposed with "real output per hour". The time frame of the chart is from 1947 to 2012, would have preferred one through 2016 but this will do. The source is attributed to Bureau of Labor Statistics and read much the same as numerous similar charts about the same material: https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/middleclasssqueeze-fig11.png Two sections of the chart draw my attention. From 1972 to 1982 is the first schism. From 1982 to 2012 is the second schism. In 1947, no one prepared the populace for the inevitable trouble that dropping tariffs the USA had since national inception would entail. After WW2 tariffs were essentially pushed aside in favor of open trade. The USA had a long history of tariffs to protect indigenous economic production, but the economic devastation in the world and an undamaged industrial infrastructure in the USA gave us an advantage. The advantage ran out in the 1960's when other nations had recovered and had their own industrial capacity. The people in the 1960's were kept in the dark while the economy started to sour, because the industrialists wanted it that way. No one would look favorably on their idea of recovering profitability by moving American industry out of the country, so mum is the word. The first schism on the chart is is resulting in the main from industrialists moving production outside of the USA. The second schism on the chart is is resulting in the main from tax cuts put forth from the Reagan era forward. Those tax cuts benefited the very wealthy who were also moving their companies to offshore production. The tax cut accelerated the capabilities of the industrialists, and thus accelerated their plans to offshore American jobs. The chart with a history of tax rates in the USA is near the bottom of the next linked page. The Reagan tax cuts fit quite nicely into the second schism on the first chart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States This also correlates with the uncontrolled growth of the federal deficit since the 1970's. Compare the era of tax cuts from 1982 onward for the federal top tax bracket, to the annual federal deficit as shown in this chart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Public_debt_percent_of_GDP.pdf To summarize, there is a direct correlation between actions taken by business and the government . . . to the decline of the U.S. economy. This is a purposeful endeavor with no nationalism involved, therefore no patriotism nor honor toward country. You cannot just excuse this under the pretense that market based economics are at play and this is what we get, if that were the case why not just be bold and tell the American people so from the beginning? The industrialists (elites, modern oligarchs) shafted the American worker to bolster profits. In addition their federal taxes were cut by 28% from the 1971 tax rate. The wealthiest are now paying 42% less than they were in 1971. So the wealthiest are screwing Americans from both ends, on purpose . . . and they are poised to shaft us again with the tRumPutin tax cuts errr . . . I mean tax plan.
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  1363. Has anyone compared the number of U.S. citizens killed by police per year . . to how many U.S. citizens are killed in jihadists terror attacks each year? According to the New America Foundation, jihadists killed 94 people inside the United States between 2005 and 2015. If we use the FBI data for "justifiable homicides" by police, that trends steady at around 350 people per year. Based on that we can extrapolate that 3500 people were killed by police over the same period of time referenced by the New America Foundation. Add up those fatal killings over the decade and our police are responsible for killing 37 times more U.S.citizens than terrorist jihadists are responsible for over the same period of time. Why are we as Americans spending so many lives and so much treasure in this "War against Terrorism" abroad when we have a domestic terrorism situation at home involving those that are supposed to "serve and protect" us? The answer is that we as a population are being managed. I'm 56 years old and until last year I spent my life being fooled and lied to by our media and politicians (even thought I thought I knew quite a lot about economics and politics . . . not!). Now I recognize that I and everyone else is being played, and played by our own people. These traitors call themselves Americans, but their only loyalty is to themselves for greed or power. Like it or not, we are going to have to take charge and do a real purge, perhaps even changing our economic and government systems in the process. First step, no more bought and paid for politicians. This is something "We the People" still directly control. With our vote we can take control by not voting for any politician that owes allegiance to corrupting forces. Second step, we the people need a real plan. The JD platform is a start but we need a fundamental development plan for the future of all humanity . . . not just our local nation states.
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  1375. You know, the comments here are rather strange. Yes, there are more homeless people here than in any other state. Why? Because the weather is survivable all year round, it has nothing to do with political ideologies. California roads are not the best to be sure, yet as my daughter departed her state due to divorce, she noted that the roads that were not interstate highways were exceedingly bad in every state until she arrived here. I'm going to point fingers here, "you people", who write all the snide comments about "Commieforna" and the democratic politicians here, yet you are blissfully unaware that you are being manipulated. This video is manipulating you. John Stossel is not an unbiased reporter. His Fox Business show "Stossel", aired viewpoints on individual freedom, free market capitalism and small government, all very common in the American media. Yet what most people seem unaware of is these are the talking points of billionaires, whose purpose is to use propaganda in pursuit of power. The homeless issue is not a product of political positions, because it happens regardless if a democrat or republican is in power. Homelessness is a product of growing wealth, when large corporations buy up whole neighborhoods, driving up costs of home ownership for everyone and driving those less able to cope onto the streets. The wealthy cleaned up in 2020, with financial assets gaining almost ten trillion dollars. I believe the entire reason Trump never responded to the Covid pandemic is because corporations wanted to fire millions and re-hire some of the fired workers at lower wages. Stop blaming the politicians and political parties, while they are not saints, they are not the ones in the drivers seat. Use your common sense people, wealth cannot get bigger while millions lose everything, not unless something fishy is going on with our "elite" wealth holders.
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  1397.  @jmaxton  - When I wrote the word "progressives", I did not realize at the time that I had used the plural. The word should have been "progressive". My error. "Fair share" is relative, we can really get into the weeds discussing that. Yes, I did watch the entire video, multiple times (though some time ago). The characterization of the three brothers is very arbitrary and does not realistically portray common situations, hence this video is a propaganda tool. Yes, the government does "create" its own fiat currency, the USA is the "sole manufacturer" of the U.S. dollar (this is written into the U.S. Constitution). Recently, the Congress and the Federal Reserve have made a mockery out of that ability via the CARES Act. Contrary to your statement, the government does not "only" redistribute tax money, though they certainly do engage in that behavior (mostly by redistributing from poor to wealthy). While you have credible understandings as outlined by both of your comments, you are off the mark by a wide margin concerning the governmental operations. The republic has been absorbed and remade into a plutocracy. The wealthy are in charge of the government. What you or I wants from the government amounts to little more than static noise at this point. The end game of capitalism is monopoly. I scrolled up and reread my comment. If you were paying attention, then you could easily follow up on the inevitable result of what compounded interest does to both debt and wealth, then be able to definitively conclude that the growth of both wealth and debt are unsustainable. Both have been growing at a higher rate than economic growth since the end of the Great Depression, and capitalism has created three crises in the past twenty years that only the wealthy have recovered from. Given that, what is the actual meaning of the word "fair"?
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  1408. Dedier - You are very correct in that "the majority of the populace is either too uneducated to understand or too disinterested to be concerned." This is something that concerns me greatly, because it leaves only the very few to come up with AND enact change for the better, on behalf of that greater part of the populace. Those very few on the "light" or good side are poor in resources when compared to the vast wealth of the very few and powerful who represent the "dark" side. When it comes to collaboration, I have a specific "something" for which I could greatly use more minds to flesh out the idea and build it into something real. The inspiration on my end comes from the "Star Trek" economy of the future. I just finished writing out a version for another post, so I will copy and paste the text body here and I would greatly appreciate your critique and criticisms. Mostly I am wary because past reforms have always been eventually undermined and eliminated by the "royals" of our time, the oligarchs and mega-corporations. So here goes: I would like to impart two main items, one simple and the second requiring some elaboration. First: It was because of the Justice Democrats and their campaign platform that I switched my voter registration from Independent to Democrat. JD's are very appealing and they are in the main on the correct track. However, reform is not enough. Reforms are always undermined and then removed by the oligarchs and their minions. That leads to my second item. I live in California and my eldest daughter (29) lives in Missouri with her husband. Over this past weekend I called her and we discussed my wealth cap proposal. She asked me to define a "life of luxury" so we could have a basis for discussion. Since "luxury" is defined differently by different folk, I provided this baseline for our discussion: "If a family lives can afford to live in a 29 room mansion and they are building an new mansion with 92 rooms, that is too much wealth." She told me that "mansions" in her area ran from 1.6 to 3 million dollars, so we started our "thought experiment" using the upper limit of 3 million dollars for housing and another 3 million for property taxes over a lifetime. I would ask her for the upper limit on what she considered "luxury" for transportation, food, clothing, entertainment, furniture, healthcare, travel and other lifestyle luxury amenities. Together we came to a total of 50 million dollars in accumulated wealth which would allow her and her family to live in the utmost of luxury and security. So if we break that down into an annual income over a 30 year working life, no one should really require more than 1.75 million dollars per year of total income after taxes. You see, there are only a small proportion of millionaires and billionaires who use their wealth to benefit mankind. Elon Musk, Sir Richard Branson, perhaps the Gates (though I don't actually see what they are doing, My Lady reminds me of their Foundation work) . . . and the guy who made his fortune making and selling those 5-Minute Energy drinks (Billions for Change). On the diabolical power hungry side of the ledger we have the Trump's, the Mercers, the Koch Brothers, Julian Sinclair Smith of Sinclair Broadcasting, Rupert Murdoch and family, the Bush family, the Dupont's, the Johnson family, plus countless others I cannot name without looking them up. Throw into the mix the lobbying cartels for every known corporation using their money to buy OUR government representatives. Put a wealth cap on all of them and big companies and corporations will have to break apart, ending monopolies. Co-operatives between many stakeholders will become the new norm instead of the exception. Large building projects will require the cooperation of many builders instead of a few Mega-Corps. Large companies owned by individuals will be forced into reinvesting into their employees and company infrastructure. Many of the things the Justice Democrats stand for will happen by default with one simple and sweeping change. I could go on, but if you are as intelligent as I believe, you will see the possibilities in this once you give it some thought. So many of societies ill's will get attention and even cures with the revenues generated by a wealth cap tax . . . and no one will suffer the deprivation of their chance to earn millions. With vastly increased tax revenue, funding the vast potential of technical and artistic talent among our population can be unleashed. With a Universal Basic Income people are no longer bound to the useless hamster wheel of human wastage the current capitalism economy creates. ALSO: There will no longer be an oligarchy with the means and tools to undermine these societal reforms. Just think about it.
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  1418.  @aureliusp1330  - I need to do further work on my messaging, because by no means did I intend to imply that such wealth growth benefits our people. The truth is, that while our economy grew, our wages did not. Wealth grew enormously, because most of it was stolen from us or looted from the government. The theft and looting happened because the wealthy own the government and wrote laws to benefit and protect itself. The long term planning I referred to began before World War Two, was codified in the late 1940's and was initiated in the late 1950's and early 1960's. The basic framework was to grow wealth by arranging rate of returns on "investments" to be greater than the growth of the economy. The starting gun was The Taft-Hartley Act of 1947, weakening unions. By 1965, the growth of financial assets already equaled almost half of our GDP. To grow more and faster the economy would have to change. In 1971 our dollar was decoupled from gold. In 1974 pensions were decoupled from employers, the ERISA Act bringing all that retirement money into the stock market. In the 1980's Reagan stopped enforcing anti-trust acts which allowed him to then destroy unions. NAFTA, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 (which destroyed the Glass-Steagall Act) were part of the 1990's action to extract more wealth from us. This has been a long steady march to a beat we did not create. When FDR refused to confiscate the riches of the wealthy after the Great Republican Depression, he left the oligarchy with the means to dilute and undermine the New Deal. The wealthy were angry with FDR and essentially swore an oath to take down the New Deal and put in place a government/economic structure that allowed them to take it all (god-given right to rule and all that BS). We are now living in the era when society itself unravels under the strain, both the economic strain and the strain caused by the lies the oligarch indoctrination has woven into our societal culture.
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  1440. Spot on. Your "cusp of civil war" paragraph was well mapped out. The smash and grab robberies are happening more often and are well organized. When I grabbed the numbers for GDP and Total Financial Assets, then totaled the numbers, it shows why this is happening. Fact is, wealth is a huge mass compared to the economy. Wealth is larger and grows faster, without apparent support from the productive economy. As wealth grows it becomes a black hole, sucking in all wealth that is touched by a web of corporations and financial institutions. For anyone interested in the math: in 1947 Total Financial Assets was 2.88 times the size of GDP for that year. Financial assets have on average grown faster than GDP by 0.6% annually between 1947 and 2021. Financial assets are connected to stocks, which are connected to corporations, which in turn supply most of what we need to live. The need to "turn a greater profit" year over year is what brings us inflation. The only reason we did not have overt inflation for a decade was that corporations had access to almost free money, so they could boost their stock price with stock buybacks on borrowed money. That door is closed now, so corporations have turned to their customers for the "profits" that will float their stock prices. Now, Total Financial Assets are 4.95 times the size of our GDP. Last year the gains alone for financial assets was more than 66% of our GDP. There are limits. The facts you describe in your "cusp of civil war" paragraph show that entire sections of our society have been pushed beyond their limits. Sad fact is that most people do not know the real source of their woes. "The rise to power of great wealth" It is the power of great wealth that utilizes "Divide and Conquer" in order to protect itself. Is it not past time to focus on our actual nemesis, the great wealth? That overwhelming anxiety people are feeling is caused by "great wealth", which is, for all intents and purposes, the un-elected government that is really in control of our lives.
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  1441. Bill Gates 2% annual wealth tax on $20 billion would be $400 million. No one of his stature would settle for less than a 5% rate of return on his invested wealth, so even after he paid the 2% his net worth (at 5% RoR) his fortune would still grow by $600 million. The problem no one is talking about is this: The 1% have over $30 trillion in idle wealth which they "invest" for a rate of return. There is also $28 trillion in retirement savings which is also invested for growth, which must be a RoR over inflation and fees. I don't know how much of an overlap there is between the retirement savings and the 1%'s accumulated wealth, so for the sake of simplicity, lets ignore the retirement savings in the following math which illustrates the problem few seem to grasp. Our U.S. economy is just shy of $20 trillion in annual GDP with a growth rate (in 2018) of 2.56% The 1% are "investing" at a RoR of over 5%, (S&P 500 index funds have paid over 9% since 1994). That is $30 trillion seeking a rate of return in a $20 trillion annual economy. The economy GDP grew by $560 billion in 2018. The RoR on $30 trillion at 5% is a trillion and a half dollars ($1.5 trillion) Can you see the problem yet? To pay the 1% their RoR, all of the GDP gains for 2018 are eliminated, plus an additional $940 billion skimmed directly out of the economy. This is done by raising the price of health care, housing and whatever else can be used by financial institutions to extract wealth from us, all the while calling that extraction "product" or "production in the economy". That extraction from us is actually counted by these criminals as part of the economic growth for the year. In reality the economy is shrinking, the numbers are being skewed to hide this from us. What we really need to do is dump this 2% on wealth tax, instead we need to put a hard cap on accumulated wealth for individuals and corporations. This much . . . no more. This whole "incentives" argument is bullshit to cover up the scam they are pulling on us. I say we cap wealth accumulation at $10 million, that is plenty to live a life of luxury and it will stop wealthy people from buying our politics and shaping government policy.
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  1444. I have already voted for Bernie in the California primary, and here is the reason why. Mike Bloomberg, and all oligarchs for that matter, have convinced Boomers (my generation) and those before the Boomers, that is just fine to sacrifice the future of OUR children and grandchildren. Modern capitalism is a con game, as best illustrated by a quote from Michael Hudson's paper titled "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four Thousand Year Overview. Part 2." "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Today, the top 20% have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Using the same 5% interest rate, the interest payment alone on those financial assets would be 13.41% of the 2018 U.S. national economy. Since the economy grew at far less that 13% in 2018, this means that the interest paid to the top 20% was EXTRACTED from all of us. For those interested in Michael Hudson's paper, here is the URL: http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1445. Brian Garrow - This why we have to refocus our energy. Our efforts are wasted when we try to do reforms of any kind, because those reforms will always be dismantled. Instead of changing a myriad of different laws trying to combat undue influence, there are only two simple rules that must be placed into law. First in an Annual Income Cap, the second is an Accumulated Wealth Cap. It is vast wealth in the hands of individuals which is the root cause of all our woes and the dysfunction of wealth inequality in our worldwide collective societies. Vast wealth is the toolkit used to dismantle all reforms put into law, and the one glaring example I will put forward is FDR's New Deal. In the decades since the New Deal, the wielders of vast wealth have been dismantling the New Deal piece by piece. Now the New Deal is gone, destroyed. This happens to every law, every reform ever put in place to protect the majority. There is a simple guide as to what the caps should be. By all means, earn your millions until you have enough for you and your family to live in the utmost of luxury for a lifetime. Beyond that point, return everything you earn back to the society that helped you create the wealth in the first place. No one makes millions in a vacuum, everyone who does so has the help of the entire society of human beings . . . every millionaire made is a joint venture with society. I'm 57 years old and my eldest daughter is 30 years old. Between us we have the life experiences of our generations. We did a "thought experiment" to ascertain what the income and wealth limits should be. Her ideas encompassed more than my own, so we generally went with her numbers. I would like to see more of us doing such "thought experiments" so we can come up with a consensus that will make an annual income and accumulated wealth cap palatable to the majority. Do these two things and all dark money political contributions evaporate down to a level where the will of the few no longer dominates the will of the many. We already know excessive wealth beyond what is needed to live a life of utmost luxury is mostly then used to exert power over the powerless.
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  1476. J.A. Holland’s Quiet Storm - I agree with you 100%. It is as plain as day what trump is doing, destroying everything the USA has built up and stood for since Roosevelt was in office, both domestically and internationally. However trump is but a symptom of what the republicans and corporate democrats have been doing to our country ever since the Powell Memo was written. In the Powell Memo, Lewis Powell quotes Milton Friedman about a powerful attack under way against the American system. Here is the quote: In a foreword to these lectures, famed Dr. Milton Friedman of Chicago warned: “It (is) crystal clear that the foundations of our free society are under wide-ranging and powerful attack — not by Communist or any other conspiracy but by misguided individuals parroting one another and unwittingly serving ends they would never intentionally promote.” With four and a half decades between then and now, I would put forward that what both Powell and Friedman have wrought with their policies have been far more destructive to the American people than those whom they so feared back then. The republicans and the oligarchs have been fighting against the American people ever since General Smedley Butler thwarted the republican and businessman's attempted coup against the USA in the 1930's. Now they are close to getting what they want, which can be compared to the partitioning of England after the Industrial Revolution. The peasants (that would be us), are getting kicked off the land (out of the economy) . . . where we will have to fend for ourselves (no more democracy) and hopefully starve to death. The Powell Memo: https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/democracy/the-lewis-powell-memo-a-corporate-blueprint-to-dominate-democracy/
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  1499. Sheila chambers - I share your concerns, they are quite valid. From my current point of view, there is abundant evidence that we as a people are being actively maneuvered about by unseen hands. This shows in the election problems, the economy . . . even our constitutional rights. Right now I am in my late fifties and it is only recently that I have become aware of how bad the bigger picture is. Most of my life there has been a sense of disquiet in my mind for reasons I could sense but not pin down. We have been scammed by the capitalists who own our government. Capitalism is unsustainable, government won't do its duty . . . I fear the eventual collapse of both will lead to famine as our people cannot feed themselves. Whatever happens, it will not be pretty. This is why I attack the source. History has shown that all reforms for the people get undone by the wealthy over time. Reform enactment and eventual undoing follow a historical cycle, same as regulatory enactment then deregulation and the up/down "business" cycle. The wealthy like it that way, even promoting regulation and reform, because it provides ample distraction from the "Achilles Heel" of the oligarchy, that vast wealth which is central to their power. There is really only one solution that will result in permanent reforms. Take down the wealth of everyone to the point that no one person can "buy" or unduly influence the government of the people. No one needs "billions" of dollars, so that is a starting point. How many millions then, does one "need"? There is not an issue with rewarding good works handsomely, for ideas, inventions and successful business acumen, . . . . however there is a point in luxury life where more money is a pointless acquisition . . . . unless your goal is to wield power.
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  1503. whyamimrpink78 - Your example using the healthcare argument to illustrate your opinion of the left, is factually incorrect and filled with bias. First item: The left uses the logic of numbers and lower costs, everyone can have health care and the cost will be 2 trillion dollars less over ten years for tax payers with Medicare-for-All. The argument the left uses is also based on core human rights, which is a necessary component to a modern society as opposed to societies of antiquity. Second item: Contrary to what the right would have us believe, there is no shortage of resources, especially the resource of money to pay for universal health care. There is also no shortage of availability in the health care industry. A) We are already paying more than the cost of Universal Heath Care in the amounts citizens pay annually now in Health Care Premiums and taxes that go toward government provided healthcare. B) There is nothing whatsoever that prevents the USA from printing as much money as it wants and giving that money to somebody, the real issue is if the resources that money will purchase are available when needed. The preceding sentence paraphrases Alan Greenspan talking to Paul Ryan in sworn testimony. If there is one thing the USA has in abundance, it is medical care, the only shortages are ones artificially created by those run the for-profit health care insurance (scam) companies. I'm going to turn this around and declare that you and the political right, are the ones making emotional arguments and flat out lying most of the time. The distortions are clear to see in your writings. Finally, something else you are wrong about. There are a vast number of successful healthcare systems that covers everyone . . . including foreign visitors. The fact of the matter is that out of all the 36 member countries of the OECD (Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development), representing the most advanced economies on this planet, the United States of America is the only country that does not cover 100% of its citizens health care under a universal or single payer program. Everyone else does the logical and cost effective thing (which is supposed to be a republican "thing"), but not the USA.
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  1512.  @alohatigers1199  - Bernie (bless his heart), like the rest of us, is thinking too small. You have a grasp on a tendril of the truth with your "idea of growth" and "Greed" comment, but that can be likened to the shade of a single palm tree in the desert. "Profits and revenues had to increase every quarter year", is the literal truth, yet it is also misleading. If you can stand way back and see the biggest possible picture, what comes into focus is an economic scam, a long con game played on the American people and the world, set up by wealthy people who really think they have a god given right to rule. Here is the shortest, simplest form of the truth. We were set up. Shortly after World War Two, with so much of the world economy in ruin, two seeds were planted and were expected to grow (metaphorically). One seed was the U.S. economy, the other seed was "financial assets" or "investments" as it is known today. Public records from the Federal Reserve start in 1947 and run about one business quarter behind the present day (4th quarter numbers for 2022 have yet to be posted). In 1947 financial assets started out 2.88 times the size of the 1947 economy and have averaged a half percent greater annual growth rate than the economy for the past 70 plus years. Skip to the present day. Financial assets are now five times the size of the economy. The 2021 rate of return on financial assets was over $13 trillion (more than 2/3rds of our entire economic output). These so-called "investments" could not have grown to that level based on economic performance, that is simply not possible. You are correct, profits and revenues had to increase every quarter year to keep stock prices growing. This goes beyond simply raising prices on consumers (inflation), it also involves distortion of law (politics) and tapping directly into government treasuries (tax cuts and corporate borrowing from the future through Federal Reserve lending). This theft of wealth is a long con game, normalized by Congress through the creation of "retirement plans", which involved regular American citizens in the scam as accomplices. I could go on, but I think the picture is pretty clear when you look at the charts for GDP and "Financial Asset" growth. Our system of "investment" is a con game, we all feel it in our bones and the end results are all around us. Homelessness, crime and political instability, all caused by allowing the wealthy to rig the system. Real Gross Domestic Product (GDPC1) | FRED | St. Louis Fed https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1 Total Financial Assets, Level (TFAABSHNO) | FRED | St. Louis Fed https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TFAABSHNO
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  1521.  @dustyroads834  - Dusty, for 55 years I also had that opinion. I hear you man. The problem is, when I really started looking into our economy about five years ago (60 years old now), I found out that "socialism" is the way the rich get rich. So many things I believed, well it turns out as I researched I found out they were myths. So I did more research because I wanted to find out why we had these myths in the first place. Turns out, the wealthy have paid a lot of money to fill our heads with false information. Here is the truth in a nutshell. The economy is big ($22 trillion/year GDP), but the pile of wealth "invested" is much bigger ($104 trillion). The GDP grows about 3% annually, that pile of wealth grows at 5% to 7% annually. At this rate, all wealth will be owned by just a few people in about 35 years. Kiss the Constitution and our country goodbye. The wealthy don't earn their money, it is given to them using "investments". The problem is, the investments are guaranteed to grow because the rules have been rigged, but they don't actually invest in anything except property (that is why housing costs so much). To protect this racket, the rich pay for "think tanks" that spin webs of stories that seep into our culture. The rich want you afraid of "socialism" because they alone actually benefit from socialism. The Federal Reserve put out charts that show this happening, but economic numbers are a dry subject and cops killing another black man is much more sensational, so what the rich are doing basically stays a secret.
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  1527. You know, the comments here are rather strange. Yes, there are more homeless people here than in any other state. Why? Because the weather is survivable all year round, it has nothing to do with political ideologies. California roads are not the best to be sure, yet as my daughter departed her state due to divorce, she noted that the roads that were not interstate highways were exceedingly bad in every state until she arrived here. I'm going to point fingers here, "you people", who write all the snide comments about "Commieforna" and the democratic politicians here, yet you are blissfully unaware that you are being manipulated. This video is manipulating you. John Stossel is not an unbiased reporter. His Fox Business show "Stossel", aired viewpoints on individual freedom, free market capitalism and small government, all very common in the American media. Yet what most people seem unaware of is these are the talking points of billionaires, whose purpose is to use propaganda in pursuit of power. The homeless issue is not a product of political positions, because it happens regardless if a democrat or republican is in power. Homelessness is a product of growing wealth, when large corporations buy up whole neighborhoods, driving up costs of home ownership for everyone and driving those less able to cope onto the streets. The wealthy cleaned up in 2020, with financial assets gaining almost ten trillion dollars. I believe the entire reason Trump never responded to the Covid pandemic is because corporations wanted to fire millions and re-hire some of the fired workers at lower wages. Stop blaming the politicians and political parties, while they are not saints, they are not the ones in the drivers seat. Use your common sense people, wealth cannot get bigger while millions lose everything, not unless something fishy is going on with our "elite" wealth holders.
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  1530.  @OMGAnotherday  - You are correct, there is no move to bring manufacturing back into the economy. The exit from the USA, of industrial capitalists from the 1960's onward, should never be reversed, or so it seems if one is to take seriously the guru's of the modern financial age. I think that to even make the suggestion, creates fear that the details of acquisition and asset stripping which has characterized the past 30 years of "business" in the USA would become all too apparent to the common citizen. Michael Hudson wrote a long, two part paper on compound interest. When I look at the charts for financial assets and even GDP growth, they are on "exponential curves". Exponential curves applied to anything on a finite planet is an expression of the impossible. Michael referred to Richard Price, who wrote in 1772 the following: "Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold". Bottom line: We have been lied to by the smartest, most powerful and wealthy people, and many other smart people believe in those lies. That must be the type of persons who run and work at the Federal Reserve, because the economy we have grown up with is impossible to mange with infinite growth.
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  1546.  @leovolont  - You are most likely correct. However it needs to start somewhere and the USA is the logical seed. After all, it was the USA who broke up the Bretton Woods Agreement, which had restricted capital flow across national boundaries. We can enforce a wealth cap on U.S. citizens which would prohibit the ownership of offshore non-domestic holdings of any type. The entire reason Bretton Woods unraveled is because of the Vietnam War. United States dollars were being spent in South East Asia and ended up in French banks. The French collected these dollars and cashed them in for gold (we were on the gold standard then), which depleted the U.S. gold reserves to the point where the dollar could no longer be backed in gold. So, in addition to the wealth cap, we must also pull back our military from abroad and confine the military activities to within our own borders. I don't see a problem with that, since the U.S. military is the biggest threat to other countries that exists today. I also don't buy into this "national security" scam, projecting force is not what it once was (it is now a means for the 1% to become wealthy off the U.S. Treasury). Today our military is used to coerce other countries to be exploited by the 1% and U.S. corporations. Once we pull back our military, our costs will go down drastically and all countries will be able to represent [themselves] in the global market. There are issues to solve, like what if Denmark decides to go on a crusade of military and land expansion . . . . what can our response be if we cannot project military force? The answer is that we can, if needed, however a joint military agreement with allies would be more aligned with our best interests, and such an agreement can address overt national agression. Bottom line, we must depose the oligarchy which has rooted itself in our country and government. We start with a rigidly enforced wealth cap, then move into changing our legal system so that it does not back the interests of wealth and power (as it does now). This will mean replacing the Supreme Court and the Federal Court system, perhaps just by cleaning house but possibly by amending the Constitution. Meanwhile, the Constitution does have the tools we need to make change, starting with Congress removing the practice of "Judicial Review" from the federal court system and reinstalling the Congress as the body of law making power.
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  1547.  @leovolont  - Well done, you started and ended in the nexus. Yes, the USA would be the "greatest and most virulent enemy to such an undertaking". Your conclusion that "The World will not be allowed any freedom of action until America falls out of the equation somehow", is also correct. What you have concluded is exactly why this transformation needs to begin in the United States. The more I look into this problem of concentrated power, the more convinced I am that humanity needs a transformative change. I've studied our (the USA) economic and political history in depth starting in the present and going back to 1917. After that immersion, I had to shake myself like a wet dog and seek to distill what I had learned. Something was bothering me though, I recognized the behavior I was seeing in the history . . . had a pattern. Bits of history I had learned from earlier studies in astronomy and aviation started to click into place like a table top board puzzle. Other bits from my studies of ancient civilizations (astronomy related) and medieval histories (Vikings, Kings and Crusades) also started to click in place. We have a long history of concentrated power and wealth. We cannot proceed in this manner, even if those holding wealth and power still wish it to be so. Like everything else, there is a time for change. Human impact on our one planet is slapping us in the face and shouting to us: WAKE UP! Our species faces extinction in the very near future without a course correction. What you stated about the USA being "greatest and most virulent enemy to such an undertaking", is entirely correct. The only way we can make change is to simultaneously dismantle and rebuild our society, the road block to which is the Gordian Knot of "legal precedence". The United States legal system has its roots in the British legal tradition. So the key to making change this significant is finding the one thread that when pulled, unwinds the Gordian Knot . . . and I think I found it. You see, from the 13th to the 17th century, the wealthy Lords of England enclosed the land, cutting it off from the peasants who used to freely use the land to support themselves. Legal battles were fought, with the peasants losing those battles. These legal battles established precedent which was the foundation of law going forward. There is a generally overlooked aspect to these legal battles which it vitally important today, if we are to make the changes we need and unwind the Gordian Knot of concentrated wealth and power. Those peasants who lost the legal battles against the Land Enclosures were uneducated, they lacked standing and they lacked legal representation. Few if any poor folk sent their children to universities to become lawyers. The winners in the enclosure legal fights were the Lords . . . and who do you think were the judges and the lawyers on their side? It was the second and third relations to the Lords, those who could not hold the land (because with power, enough land is never enough) yet were highly educated and thus "earned" their positions as judges and lawyers. That dynamic has now changed. In modern society, even the poor, are highly educated (and indoctrinated, another battle to fight). All of "legal precedence" and even our own "judicial review" was built on the decisions of an elite few . . . and still is. All of that can be and has to be unraveled. The elites making decisions has had its time in our history and has allowed us to progress this far . . . but for mankind to survive precedent must give way. The poor now have an abundance of lawyers and the poor have standing . . . our standing is that we have a right to live and for our progeny to live. Our technology has advanced so far that concentrated wealth/power wielding that technology leads only to one path . . . to extinction. Death Squads and killer robots . . . repression of the population cannot stop our inevitable extinction if the sociopaths continue to hold power. These people who now control our fates, what they really are is "ordinary", they simply have not faced that fact. Extinction does not discriminate. We must, and will, reshape our society . . . starting right here in the United States.
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  1548.  @leovolont  - You have, quite correctly, identified the core issue. The wealthy became that way through the use of force. This is why the only way we will being down the wealthy elite and make them ordinary, is through the use of force. Those with the big arms, barrel chests and the brawn, are rarely the thinkers and doers who advance humanity. They are the ones during the Neolithic Era who rode up on nascent farmers and took the land those farmers were tending, using their superior might to enslave the farmers and kill those who stood up against them. Now the thinkers and doers must learn to band together and forcefully topple the oligarchy. The same thing happened in the nascent United States as happened when the Normans took England. The indigenous people were killed or forced off the land. The legal system adapted "precedent" to fit the needs of the conqueror's, since the indigenous people obviously had prior and superseding claim to the land, the legal standard here and in Australia evolved to find in favor of those "improving" the land rather than the "precedent" of who was there first. Your mention of the Franks and the Normans highlights the hypocrisy of the "we were here first" legal argument the Lords used against he peasants during the Enclosure era in England. All of it was the use of force, bringing up the use of force after my last comment was a brilliant segue. My concern is about educating the public in the requirement to use force. The "Fight for 15" over the minimum wage highlights that this is a "use of force" issue. What most people do not realize is this, Medicare for All, $15/hr minimum wage, the Green New Deal . . . none of these reforms can last if we do not also take the wealth from the elites. As the OP stated: "Minimum wage wouldn't matter so much if we had a maximum wage". I would adapt that as a political slogan to read "Minimum Livable Wage requires Maximum Wealth Limit". The reason a maximum wealth limit is required for those other reforms to succeed is this, the elites will always use their wealth to dismantle all reforms. Why even attempt to get a living wage or Medicare for all if both will be gone in twenty years? Leaving the tools to dismantle reforms in the hands of the elites has already been proven to be folly. Look at what happened to FDR's New Deal, the only surviving aspect is Social Security . . . and the elites are hell bent of privatizing and eliminating Social Security. We must organize our people. However, our people do not study history, so they need simple tools and slogans in order to force the elites to their knees. That is what I am focusing my energy on. Meanwhile, just like those on the right, we must form our own "think tanks" for the purpose of thinking out the permutations required to initiate and stabilize a global society/economy which does not burn down rain forests and seize lands from indigenous peoples. You input would be appreciated. Finally, no I have not read Arnold Toynbee. My initiation into the global calamity we are facing came late in life, the time before that was spent pursuing my hobby interests and wondering why the economy that worked so well for my father . . . failed me and my children. The history that I learned was incidental and a byproduct of other interests. I had just turned 55 when Trump was selected to be president by an outmoded feature of our Constitution, then I decided enough was enough and I started an earnest research project into our economy. Now I am 58 and have come to understand that the government and economy will never work for me unless I force it to work for me. Therefor I am focused on the work ahead of us, which is to change human society and topple the malignant oligarchy before they kill us all.
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  1549.  @leovolont  - Ok, lets take on the "so easy just to kill us all" line of reasoning. In our recent history, the Germans and the Japanese tried to do exactly that. As I remind people all the time, look at what the result was at the end of that conflict. Germany's cities and infrastructure were in complete ruin, so were the Japanese. Neither country was able to kill their way to victory, and they learned what happens to nations who tried to "kill them all". In your more modernistic scenarios, lets explore the likely outcomes. In the "killer drone" scenario, let us assume for the sake of discussion that a cabal of oligarchs was able to successfully design, test and then simultaneously release a half billion killer drones upon the population, all logistically deployed to maximize casualties. The most likely outcome would be mass casualties at first. Everyone would be surprised, even the police (cannot tell anyone, leaks of information undermine secrecy). However, even in the first wave of attacks many drones would be shot down by civilians and police alike. Shortly thereafter, the drones would need to be recharged and rearmed. Drones would be followed to their deployment zones and shortly after that, the greater portion of the surviving population would realize war had been declared . . . even if they did not know by whom or what for. There would be some confusion, but the tactically savvy would soon learn how to counter the drones and even turn the drones own weapon systems to their favor. Shortly after that, the real source of the attack would be exposed or discerned . . . with the inevitable result of the oligarchy being hunted down and eliminated. The very same thing will happen if the police and white supremacists try to start a "cleansing kill", mass casualties at first and then the retaliation would be overwhelming, ending with the death of every policeman in the land, most white people and the oligarchy. Do you think our black population is just going to let the police mass kill them outright? Hell would be a paradise compared to what our black brothers and sisters would do under that threat, no one should want to witness that. Also, can you imagine what the military rank and file would do, even if they were deployed overseas . . . out of the way? Killing their mothers, fathers, brother and sisters . . . oh they would hear about it very fast and their response would be devastating to those responsible. The oligarchy has already mounted this assault, it is slow moving and instead of killer drones, they are using the ravishment of the earth and the economy to kill. Look at the equally slow moving response to this action . . . the population knows they are under attack and are mobilizing against the oligarchy. Not very effectively yet, but it is an undeniable mobilization. My outlook is not based on optimism, it is a strategic and tactical response to being under attack. My attitude is called "pragmatism". It took me decades to figure out, that first . . . I was not the cause of my own "Failures" and two . . . I and everyone else was under systematic and sustained attack, actual attack by force. The whole thing as been fogged over and deliberately hidden through elaborate propaganda deception for decades, however the fog is blowing away and we are clearly under attack. The logical thing to to is form a resistance with a strategic and tactical plan to defeat and disarm our attackers. That is not optimism, it is pragmatism. If we are going to be truly pragmatic, then our goal must be to remove or destroy the weapons our enemy is using to attack us. Now, if you or anyone else is going to give up before we have even started . . . then we have a problem because the oligarchs will have already won. They are counting on us to look at history and decide to give up . . . because how can we possibly beat the historical odds? I'm not buying the "so easy just to kill us all" line of reasoning. I will disregard that kind of self defeating talk, let them try it and see what happens. Everyone like me will fight and kill til none of the old power structure remains . . . they will lose everything. Nothing changes unless we make it change. I spent too much of my life believing propaganda, all the while looking at WW2 German propaganda and thinking "good thing that cannot happen here!". Well it is happening now, it was happening in 16th century England, it happened in the Gilded Age, it happened after WW1 and it happened again when Nixon and Reagan dismantled our economy so the oligarchs could take control. History means nothing if we don't heed the warning. History shows the attempted coup against FDR because the oligarchy threw a fit about the necessity for high taxes to help the masses. History shows that during FDR's time in office, he should have killed capitalism instead of saving it. No, my "optimism" is based on pragmatism. We must, once and for all eliminate wealth as a tool of power and the way we do that is to put limits on wealth. Lets work on that . . . before any real bloodshed starts. To wait is folly.
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  1550.  @leovolont  - I suppose that WW2 could be considered a Global Civil War between fascists. I've come to terms with it being a capitalist induced conflict, however I still have internal difficulties rendering an opinion due to the overwhelming patriotism propaganda I've ingested. World War 2 aircraft were my obsession for many decades, and I recently completed a World War Two 1/12 scale Douglas A-20-G-10 Havoc bomber which I also designed as a radio controlled flying model built from Balsa wood. As a result I ingested a great deal of WW2 history, but it was not until I finally studied the Russian end of the conflict that I realized that the Russians did as much if not more to win the European conflict that all other allies combined. I don't think the Russians can be counted as fascist. Moving on to the U.S. military bases around the world, I've come to understand that the military has been used as a tool of coercion, if not outright conquest for U.S. capitalism and corporate interests. Three questions: 1) Are you familiar with Smedley Butler? 2) Are you familiar with John Perkins? 3) Are you a fan of the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Your scenario concerning Facebook giving up all American leftists, to be formulated into a hit list . . . really reminds me of Captain America-The Winter Soldier, and the Hydra Algorithm for targeting those who must be eliminated via heli-carrier firepower. Having seen many science fiction and action movies, I've become very aware that Hollywood has been thinking about these scenarios and introducing these concepts to people via cinematic stories. Since I really doubt that Hydra mega gun platforms with targeting satellite uplinks really exist, I have a difficult time reckoning how suck an elaborate and extensive set of assassinations could be pulled off before the word got out. Even now with our bought out corporate media, there is still some semblance of conscience in the broadcast hosts . . . because every once in a while they will let something slip by that the bosses might not like getting out. The latest example was on MSNBC, The Last Word, when Lawrence put out the word that Trump has Russian co-signers on his loans . . . Lawrence apologized for, but did not retract his statement. I think this was a purposeful act, to accidentally/on purpose let the word out. If mass killings started up, the word would get out and the plans of the killers would go fubar . . . too much risk. Better to use propaganda and misinformation, that is a lot less messy and quite productive for the bad guys. Ok, I'm done for the day here. I have painting to finish up and then bedtime. Looking forward to reading your responses and answers to my three questions when I get up.
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  1551.  @leovolont  - Hey Leo . . . excellent conjecture and quite entertaining. Truth be told, even Skynet "mice" do not concern me. First, if such a thing would happen, I would be dead or I would be fighting . . . either alternative would take up all my time. Second, not all EMP devices are nuclear, there is the ability to create small and portable EMP devices to stop electronic killing machines. Third, families everywhere have diverse political beliefs. When such killing scenarios start to play out, people are not going to align by political outlook . . . all of that would be meaningless in such a situation. We would be looking at the collapse of civilization and families would band together for mutual protection or to be "mass exterminated". Fourth . . . and this one is really important, I am very familiar with flying drones. The "Amazon" delivery drones have some range, but even they cannot fly for more than 30 minutes. We simply do not have light enough or powerful enough batteries for light weight autonomous drones of the type you are imagining. Killing everyone who does not agree with you . . . that is a massive undertaking which cannot be kept secret. The logistics alone, of any single element whether it be development, manufacture, distribution, field support, deployment, recharging and rearming . . . every single element of this idea has the potential to be exposed and no billionaire would take that chance . . . because it would inevitably lead to his/her own execution and it would lead to the collapse of the very system of control they were seeking to dominate. You must take into account the "law of unintended consequences", something that is playing out across the globe at this very moment. Never in his widest nightmares did Milton Friedman ever dream that his vaunted "neo-classical theory of economics" would lead to global instability in the manner which it is manifesting today. That is the theory of unintended consequences playing out, the same thing would plague any billionaire plot to mass execute people. One . . . more . . . thing (favorite saying of Uncle, Jacki Chan Adventures), Billionaires are not going to voluntarily give up on being billionaires, which is exactly what would happen upon the deployment of mass killing mice. The economic system would collapse and more than likely those killer mice would be captured in mass numbers by the resistance and turned upon their former controllers. Too many smart and tech savvy people are out there and the billionaires cannot control them all. When family members, wives, girlfriends and daughters start being killed, no billionaire would be safe. Revenge is a powerful motivator. Now, please, let us put the killer mice and mass extermination to bed for awhile. There is real work to do before the billionaires turn into "Killer Clowns for Outer Space" or some diabolical version of "Skynet" (FYI, I have watched every Terminator movie and all the Sarah Connor Chronicles). There are six arenas of political and monetary reform we must enact before our civilization collapses or humanity goes extinct. These are the arenas that I wish to discuss in detail, mainly to develop the political strategy for a accomplishing these goals. The bottom line is this, until there is a Central Global Government, we must re-nationalize our economies in order to take care of our homeland populations. This mean putting in capital controls and literally "executing" global capitalism. We need six major reforms in the USA, 1) disband the Federal Reserve and put currency control back into the hands of Congress, 2) put the U.S. Treasury under the control of Congress, 3) eliminate fiat currency by once again tying U.S. currency to a gold standard or a combination of precious metals, 4) put a hard cap on accumulated wealth at $10 million per adult and strictly enforce inheritance and family wealth distribution laws to keep the cap in place 5) put a hard cap on how much cash or accumulated profit any corporation can hold, and finally . . . 6) eliminate overseas holdings and non-domestic ownership holdings for U.S. citizen individuals and U.S. registered corporations alike , all holdings must be inside the USA. This means the elimination of multi-national corporations. You want to improve the situation for all citizens, once and for all eliminate billionaires and stop all of the nonsense we have had to go through over the last five decades? That list is how we do it and it applies in general principle to every country, not just the USA. Global trade is necessary and will carry on, with the appropriate currency exchange regulations which would not allow for exportation of national currencies. There is a ton of work to do to flesh out each one of these arenas, plus the development of tangential, secondary and tertiary law to support and enforce conformity in each arena. The ultimate goal is to develop a Central Global Government which will have the best elements of capitalism, socialism and a stabilized global economy which does not rely on "growth" to sustain itself and will not cause mass extinction on our planet. Are you game?
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  1553.  @leovolont  - No, you did not "come on a little too strong with my objections about metal based currencies". You just spent far too little effort dialoging on currencies, far to little effort answering my other questions or addressing the points that I had raised . . . . and an extremely high volume of time and writing effort expounding upon your theory of billionaires death drone plans. I do enjoy the speculation, up to a point . . . and that point has definitely been surpassed. It got to where I could no longer discern if you just toying with me or if you had a grand obsession dealing with a theory which is quite out of range of us being able to deal with, at this time. If you can step back a few meters, my idea of a wealth cap would deal with the billionaire death drone problem quite nicely. I spent my morning dealing with dentistry and reading up on the gold standard. This means I'm not my usual positive self and now that this part of a horrible day is over, I have a lot of work to do with the remainder of the day and not much time for thinking or writing. However I am willing to say that I'm not so sure the gold standard is appropriate now. Tying currency to a basket of commodities seems to be another dead end. I have looked at Peter Joseph's ideas on a resource based economy, but that was a few years ago and I need to brush up on that again before I feel comfortable to discuss it. One thing that keeps coming to the forefront of my thoughts is that in all of economic history, I cannot find any reference to placing limits on wealth accumulation . . . that seems to be a HUGE oversight by all who deal with economic theory. I was intrigued by Alan Greenspan's 1966 assertion that "deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth." It seems that he might have been on to something substantial there, given what has happened in the U.S. since the "Nixon Shock" of 1971. With that as my conclusion for today, I must retire to attend to other duties.
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  1584.  @rise_and_reborn4048  - The first thing I want to convey in this comment response is that I really appreciate it when someone takes the time to express their opinion in a well written form. Thank you for doing so, it is discouraging and annoying that most replies are one or two lines at best. Now on to the topics at hand. In principle I agree with what you are writing about consumer pressure and choices, this is something I have believed since early adulthood. There is some power in walking away and sending your purchase power elsewhere. Experience however, shows that there is not always a choice. We just ran into this with my daughters employer, to work from home requires a high speed internet connection. Although there is a choice of internet providers, only one provides the services needed in our area. There is no choice on this, under these circumstances. There would be, if internet providers were a public utility, or if the federal government had consumer friendly regulation of internet providers. The market and regulatory landscape of internet providers which narrows down or eliminates choice, is duplicated throughout many areas of the economy that citizens depend on. Your attitude and beliefs seem to be similar to my own, earlier in my life. Due to an opportunity to study the economy in detail, so much of what I believed just fell away. This video is part of a very long running con job. It has been well known for centuries that compounded interest always outpaced economic growth. Yet we have been sold this idea that an ever expanding economy is healthy, not only for us but for the poor all around the world. We have been sold on this idea and it is a hustle. Exponential growth is not possible, but the hustlers need us to believe it is, that is the reason they also sell us stories about things like choices in the marketplace. How can competition be good for the consumer, when the point of competing is to be the only one left standing? You expressed several ideas in your closing sentences, ideas that are simply no longer practical for most people or no longer exist as choices. As a veteran of "make your own to provide an alternative to monopolies or oligopolies", I can tell you the barriers to entry in any business arena are now virtually insurmountable due mostly to the FIRE sector. Your opener indicated your unfamiliarity with this, FIRE means Finance, Insurance and Real Estate. The FIRE sector used to be heavily regulated for just these reasons, however due to the deregulatory environment of the past four decades, this sector is growing by shrinking all the others (economic cannibalism). To get away with this, stories are told, like this video. The narratives that we live by are designed for us, so that we will not question. It was a hard thing, to see almost everything I believed in being stripped away by the truth. My first comment contains the core facts, accumulated wealth is huge compared to our economy. In order to grow, wealth needs to feed. It feeds on the economy and when that is not enough, it feeds off of governments. This will end with a government collapse, we have just witnessed the beginning of that collapse.
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  1587.  @Moistbuddhist  - You are very correct about the stock market becoming an exclusive club for the ultra wealthy. Not only is the 88.1% ownership of stocks by the 1% a problem for all of us, so are the sum totals of wealth involved. In 2019 alone there were over $90 trillion in privately held financial assets, generating an average 5% rate of return. What no one seems to look at is how a $21.5 trillion GDP is supposed to generate $4.5 trillion in returns for those financial assets, when the GDP grew by only $881 billion (4.1%, and those may be cooked numbers). Furthermore, the derivative market has grown to $1.2 quadrillion ($1200 trillion) high end Notional Value by 2020. Even the low end Notional Value is a whopping $558 trillion, twenty five time the size of the entire 2019 United States GDP. Derivatives are supposed to derive their value from an underlying asset value. This is a major con job, because all global wealth combined is under $370 trillion. The ultra wealthy view the productive economy as a nuisance they would like to eliminate. This is why they don't give a rats ass about whether we live or not. If we are to survive as a species, accumulated wealth must for individuals must have a hard cap and must be restricted to tangible real assets. Fictitious wealth such as derivatives must be eliminated. The only way we as voters are going to gain control over this is to stop electing people whose campaigns are funded through maximum individual donations and PAC money. Our local representative ran on the populist messaging of Medicare for All in 2018, but in 2020 it was all about water rights and farmers in the California central valley. He was bought and paid for by the wealthy in 2020 and turned traitor. The better candidate in 2020 did not have enough money to get his message out. This must change, and we are the ones who need to change it by voting for the poor candidates instead of the candidates swimming in oligarch generated campaign funds.
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  1591. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1616. American Lefty here. I'm 57 years old and a lifelong voter. My affiliation started with republican, in my 30's I went to democrat and in my 40's I registered as Independent . . . which I stayed at until the Justice Democrats came along and now I affiliate with democratic JD. When a viable progressive third party emerges, that is where I am going. This new progressive party will have a solid base if it can sprout in the toxic wasteland that is the American political landscape. Two things have to happen if we are to emerge from this nightmare. 1) Corporations must be decapitated and made illegal, so that the free enterprise written about in the Constitution can once again take their place in the economy. The Founders were anti-corporation because they had vast experience dealing with crown sanctioned monopolies like the East India Trading Corporation. 2) There needs to be a minimum income and . . . a maximum income, along with a cap on the accumulation of wealth. All of humanities problems with each other stem from the power hungry wealth hoarders. Face it, we human beings simply do not function in the best interests of all people when we accumulate more than what is needed to live a luxury lifestyle. Hunger for power takes over and we are living in the nightmare that results from 12,000 years of trickle up economics feeding the megalomaniacs. Any excess income and wealth generated by individuals and companies has to flow back into the society which enabled that wealth to be created. Experience has shown that the "free market" makes horrible decisions, far worse than what right wingers accuse the government of making. (Plus if you think government has made horrible decisions you are correct, and if you look deeper you will find in every instance private corporations were behind the scenes pulling the puppet strings. So really, the free market corporations are always responsible for government decisions.)
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  1619.  @southerninterloper4107  - "Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are making a killing in the stock market." You hit a bullseye on that one. There is another rather sinister effect going on here, one that you grazed with that comment. Just this year, for every dollar in economic growth, there has been a $14 increase in financial asset value. Now I'm aware of only part pf the mechanics of how the asset market works, but I can do math very well. So far our economy this year has grown by $700 billion. Financial assets have grown by $9.9 trillion. That latter fantastic number, equals 49% of our entire economic output. I don't know about anyone else, but my math says you cannot raise the value of assets without someone ready to pay the price. Financial assets grow that much because someone spent the money to buy them, value is established by the latest purchase price. Just let this soak in, baste yourself in this number, $9.9 trillion. Someone spent $9.9 trillion this year. Bringing the total value of financial assets to $114 trillion. I also don't know if others understand what a financial asset is, so here is definition from Investopedia: "A financial asset is a liquid asset that gets its value from a contractual right or ownership claim. Cash, stocks, bonds, mutual funds, and bank deposits are all are examples of financial assets." Financial assets typically gain over 9% per year. Think hard about $114 trillion getting 9%. Then think about our entire yearly economic output: almost $19.5 trillion. Then think about 9.9 trillion in asset purchases. How can an economy of $19.5 trillion make $9.9 trillion in asset purchases? So we can shave down the percentages, lots of business dealings could generate large sums to be spent in the financial asset markets. Building and land could be sold, new business deals could be made, and the proceeds directed toward the financial asset market. $9.9 trillion is a lot of directed energy. Lets just say that it came from a combination of brilliant business deals, assets sold, prices raised and money borrowed, no problem, right? The problem is, this has been going on year over year for decades. The line on the financial asset growth chart is exponential, and it is almost a vertical line. This is our silent killer. It has been decades since the economy could actually support asset growth year over year. What we are seeing is a guarantee of growth, sustained by government fiscal policy, and extraordinarily large sums of political campaign funding from private donors. People can sense that something is wrong, but cannot put a finger on it. Well, this is it. That is why, as you say, "Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are making a killing in the stock market". They help keep it all rigged. Look at the charts from the Federal Reserve. These and a few others tell a tale of a bloated and unsustainable asset market. When this blows, it will be worse than anything we have historical record of. Moral of the tale: You cannot get money for free. Households and Nonprofit Organizations; Total Financial Assets, Level (TFAABSHNO) https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-e&q=financial+asset Real Gross Domestic Product (GDPC1) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
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  1620. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1628. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1630.  @edwuncleriii1922  - You are correct. How can Bernie win, when the American people let him down? Right now, you have many comments and replies. Not a single one of these comments mentions anything important, because the American people have become stupid, can't focus, can't do simple math, therefore the American people force Bernie Sanders to dumb down his messages just so he can communicate with us. What is wrong with you people? Here is the whole problem we have in a nutshell: The 1% are consuming more than the economy can grow, they are our cancer and we ignore the treatment. Can't you people do basic math? We have a $20 trillion national GDP growing at 2.5% per year. The 1% have over $30 trillion in wealth, money demanding interest payments. Last time I checked, the milk toast S&P 500 index funds has averaged 9% since 1994. Even if we use a very nominal 5% interest rate, the 1% is consuming 7.5% of our ENTIRE national GDP. That is $1.5 trillion in free money going to the 1% every year, not including their huge Trump tax cut. Stupid people are forcing Bernie Sanders to talk about raising the minimum wage, free college, Medicare for All and what not . . . . because we are simply incapable of confronting our real issue. Left unchanged and unchallenged, the 1% will consume everything within 15 years. You want to do something about climate change? Well, you can't . . . not unless you deal with the 1% first. There is no system, man made or natural, which does not have limits. Without limits, everything blows up or dies another gruesome way. So why can't people get it through their thick heads that there must be a hard limit to wealth? This is the very definition of stupidity, when we cannot deal with the obvious and this is why Bernie Sanders cannot win.
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  1648.  @Redskirt  - Mike Bloomberg, and all oligarchs for that matter, have convinced Boomers (my generation) and those before the Boomers, that is just fine to sacrifice the future of OUR children and grandchildren. Modern capitalism is a con game, as best illustrated by a quote from Michael Hudson's paper titled "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four Thousand Year Overview. Part 2." "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Today, the top 20% have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Using the same 5% interest rate, the interest payment alone on those financial assets would be 13.41% of the 2018 U.S. national economy. Since the economy grew at far less that 13% in 2018, this means that the interest paid to the top 20% was EXTRACTED from all of us. For those interested in Michael Hudson's paper, here is the URL: http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1680. yzeew w - That recession you are forecasting is already something we are familiar with from recent decades. So it was not a good idea then, to move the steel industry out of the USA decades ago and thus seriously impact the GDP. Countless other manufacturing jobs have been exported over the decades, did that not affect the GDP? How did the GDP double over the decades will all that loss of productive jobs? I'll wager it was the growth of non-producing business entities like health insurance companies. They help the GDP of the rich, not the average person or worker. An industry like steel is productive, making a contribution. You want a non productive industry practice (medical insurance companies) with proven predatory behavior, to be protected as a ward against recession? McDonalds is soon going to install order taking kiosks in 2500 stores, a very efficient move for McDonalds bottom line. They will make a lot more profit, which will go to the top executives. Meanwhile a few thousand workers will become a redundant and unprofitable expense. McDonalds will let the workers go, its nothing personal you know . . . . and the externalities like the now greater cost to society at large is not McDonalds concern. Does not McDonalds actions here contribute to recession? What responsibility resides with McDonalds for the concerns of the economy or even of society? We have to decide as a people what to place in higher esteem, the unfettered capitalism that enriches a few at the top, or the social responsibility of society as a whole (including business and corporations) to take care of our people.
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  1683. Curry Munch - So the wolves are at the door, your solution is to open the door and let them in. Policies are failing according to a purpose, in education and healthcare. The free market is free to pillage and plunder, wreaking economies over the decades by a set of rules allowing extraction economics and calling it free choice. Free market requires my democratic vote to be silenced because the flourishing market capitalism must free to consume everything . . . . including healthcare, education, airports, waterways . . . . why not just privatize it all? Do you think that all critical thought has departed from the population? The new education system is well thought out to remove critical thinking skills from the population. I witnessed my kids going through it. The education system was set up to fail long ago, the more and more funds were needed to feed a bloated administration required to track all the improvements like "standardized testing". This was the deliberate failure of policy, by which I mean that failure was the intent all along. The same people who politically polarized education will be the beneficiaries of school privatization, they will own all the schools, testing services and education supply companies. Yet this comment section was about the health care . . . . I mean tax cut for the wealthy called "trump-don't-care", and it is simply another "free market" solution seemingly fantastic because it offers "freedom" to everyone. Meanwhile the democratic will of the people is thwarted by thriving capitalism for the 1%'ers, we pay double or more and receive much, much less than any other advanced nation. So, to answer your question, no I don't want to continue with failed policies, especially not the extraction economics practiced by the current neoliberal conglomerate which currently dominates our government. It is time for new policies, clean out the old policies that are clearly not beneficial for "the general welfare" of We the People" Our public schools need to stay public, as should our hospitals also be public . . . thank you very much.
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  1692. Dick Hamilton - Ok, very good short summary, I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment, mostly is sounds like what have read so far. This is still fairly new to me and I do not claim to be an expert, just very-very alarmed over what I am learning. The parts that I am mostly inflamed over is what Milton Friedman said about social responsibility and market principles, that a company manager who makes a socially responsible decision that costs more than a straight up business bottom line decision . . . is stealing money from the company. Business has no business making socially responsible decisions, that is government and society's responsibility. When business infiltrates government, society becomes an externality. This is unacceptable. My perception is this particular conservative/neoliberal mindset has spread like cancer throughout the world, the bottom line is paramount and "externalities" are not to be concerned about. This is madness. Market principles cannot be applied everywhere when the fallout is to simply say that only business bottom line matters, when without society there would be no business or profits to have. We have to take care of our people. Also, my understanding of Conservatism, especially of the fiscal type, is to make financially responsible decisions within the framework of budgetary allowance. That is how we run our household. Neoliberalism seems to have broken out of the descriptive framework you have laid out and has become this all consuming monster. Hayek or Friedman's economic theories may have started out in the "conservative economists" camp, but I don't think that is where they are camping out right now. The Preamble of the Constitution may not have direct legal standing, yet I think neoliberalism is diametrically opposed the the idea of "promoting the general welfare" of "We the People". Something is very wrong with the course our government has taken over the last forty years, and I'll wager it has a great deal to to with the neoliberal mindset that has infiltrated into government through our elected officials. Thank you for the civilized discourse.
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  1703. Optimus Fine and Manual R. have made the case for automatic and across the board registration to vote. No voter ID laws, just a system in place that automatically verifies that all citizens are who they say they are and that they live where they say they live. The onus is not put upon the voter to "prove their innocence", which is very un-American. Nor are the voter rolls "purged" by discriminatory and arbitrarily politically motivated voter removal systems like Crosscheck. Optical Clarity - the only reason to have Voter ID is for the purpose of racial and minority purging of the voter rolls. TheLawDemon - For someone who finds long answers akin to lying, I was surprised to read no actual proofs in your long answers. WebAnt just made a post illustrating with no doubt whatsoever that the NC voter ID law is discriminatory. No "straw man" argument there. Back to the OP by Optimus Fine, here in California the voter district lines are drawn by a non - partisan citizen committee, who uses physical geographical areas, natural physical boundaries, man made boundaries (major highways, etc), to draw up basic geometric districts. Some districts naturally hold more republican voters, others more democratic voters and other districts have a mix. No one can claim the system is unfair or partisan in nature. This is the way it should be across the United states. Optical Clarity and TheLawDemon, you are unwitting pawns to propaganda put out by wanna-be authoritarians, engaged since the 1960's in a massive chess game with you both as willingly ignorant sacrificial pawns. The genesis of their neoliberal game goes way back to before WW1, that is history you should study. They will overthrow democratic republic of the U.S. and tear up the Constitution upon checkmate. Perhaps you have not studied your history well enough, or actually studied the economy of neoliberal capitalism? All the information is available to you, but it seems you are not using your connection to the internet for that purpose. Hmmmmm, I'd feel sorry for you if indeed what you believe was not so dangerous to all Americans.
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  1717. We the People of the United States of America are under systematic and deliberate attack from enemies within. The battleground is economic, the weapons are legislative, the engineers making the weapons are our own representatives in government (not all of them, but most), and the goal of our enemies is to divide society into two classes of people. The Upper Class will have all the wealth, power, privileges, and rights. The Under Class will have no wealth, no power, no privileges and no rights. When the goal of our enemies is achieved, the democratic republic that is the United States of America will no longer exist and a dystopia will take its place. Make no mistake, this is a purposeful and sustained attack against our Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and We the People. Just FYI here: (A dystopia is a community or society that is undesirable or frightening.) The greatest middle class the world has ever experienced was built up in 30 years after World War-2 in the United States of America. Then right about the mid 1970’s the capitalist elites faced two crises simultaneously, the falling rate of profitability in industry and pressing questions from the electorate surrounding the legitimacy of capitalism. Prompted into action to save themselves, the capitalist elites co-opted OUR very own politicians whose duty is to look after us. Ever since then political efforts in the USA have been focused and unified, upon creating the legislative machinery to weaken the middle class, extract its wealth, and reduce it to the Under Class. Conservatives and neoliberals have then spent the last 42 years increasing the income and monopoly of wealth in the economy for the 1% at the top and creating a wealth extraction economy for the middle class and the poor. This is not enough for them, they have also set out to dept enslave not only our own people and government, but also entire countries . . . for the sole purpose of setting up wealth extraction economies in those countries. Going outside of our country to extract wealth makes the treasonous United States politicians and guilty United States businesses into something worse than they already represent, they became international gangsters and extortionists. Meanwhile on the home front, the entire 42-year period has been spent by Republican politicians extolling the conservative virtues of individualism and preaching the “rightness” of the neoliberal supported “Reagonomics”, or “Trickle Down Economics”, or “Free Market Economics”, to the electorate, while creating a monopolistic economy that has decimated the liberty of individuals. It appears from my vantage point that the politicians making the policies do not actually believe in the U.S.-Constitution, nor are they doing their sworn duty to protect it. The "right-wing and "corporate owned" politicians we elect are themselves the “domestic enemies” of the Constitution because their policies will lead the destruction of the Constitution. Of course we had no way of knowing that until recently, because we trust our politicians and could simply not believe they would deceive us in any manner. However 42 years of historical records do not lie about what the conservative right wing and corporate democrats in our government have done with the economy and to us. There is a way for We the People to strike back at those attacking us and win, in fact this is the only way. The Framers of the Constitution were very smart about this. We the People can perform “Election Campaign Finance Reform” ourselves instead of waiting forever for the reforms the politicians will never undertake on their own. Plus there is nothing in the Constitution that declares "Free Market Capitalism" is the one and only economic model for the land, the Framers very wisely put that responsibility of choice into the hands of "We the People". We must start electing only those persons who will not take campaign contributions from any source of wealth. Our politicians have been bought and paid for by wealthy donors for 40 years, all the republicans certainly are bought, and the "Corporate Democrats" are bought as well. These politicians represent donors not voters, and are thus corrupted. The only clean politicians we have are those like Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna, who raise money from the people and not from corporate/wealthy donors. We have to vote out the corruption and vote in only those that pledge to serve the peoples interests. They can prove their loyalty by never taking money from business, corporations, millionaires, billionaires, political action committees (PAC's) or lobbyists. They must also pledge in perpetuity not to seek employment with PAC's or lobbying interests after their term in office. This is the only way we can protect our U.S.-Constitution and honor the efforts of those who protected it with their lives, so that “We the People” will have its protection in perpetuity like the Framers intended.
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  1718. We the People of the United States of America are under systematic and deliberate attack from enemies within. The battleground is economic, the weapons are legislative, the engineers making the weapons are our own representatives in government (not all of them, but most), and the goal of our enemies is to divide society into two classes of people. The Upper Class will have all the wealth, power, privileges, and rights. The Under Class will have no wealth, no power, no privileges and no rights. When the goal of our enemies is achieved, the democratic republic that is the United States of America will no longer exist and a dystopia will take its place. Make no mistake, this is a purposeful and sustained attack against our Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and We the People. Just FYI here: (A dystopia is a community or society that is undesirable or frightening.) The greatest middle class the world has ever experienced was built up in 30 years after World War-2 in the United States of America. Then right about the mid 1970’s the capitalist elites faced two crises simultaneously, the falling rate of profitability in industry and pressing questions from the electorate surrounding the legitimacy of capitalism. Prompted into action to save themselves, the capitalist elites co-opted OUR very own politicians whose duty is to look after us. Ever since then political efforts in the USA have been focused and unified, upon creating the legislative machinery to weaken the middle class, extract its wealth, and reduce it to the Under Class. Conservatives and neoliberals have then spent the last 42 years increasing the income and monopoly of wealth in the economy for the 1% at the top and creating a wealth extraction economy for the middle class and the poor. This is not enough for them, they have also set out to dept enslave not only our own people and government, but also entire countries . . . for the sole purpose of setting up wealth extraction economies in those countries. Going outside of our country to extract wealth makes the treasonous United States politicians and guilty United States businesses into something worse than they already represent, they became international gangsters and extortionists. Meanwhile on the home front, the entire 42-year period has been spent by Republican politicians extolling the conservative virtues of individualism and preaching the “rightness” of the neoliberal supported “Reagonomics”, or “Trickle Down Economics”, or “Free Market Economics”, to the electorate, while creating a monopolistic economy that has decimated the liberty of individuals. It appears from my vantage point that the politicians making the policies do not actually believe in the U.S.-Constitution, nor are they doing their sworn duty to protect it. The "right-wing and "corporate owned" politicians we elect are themselves the “domestic enemies” of the Constitution because their policies will lead the destruction of the Constitution. Of course we had no way of knowing that until recently, because we trust our politicians and could simply not believe they would deceive us in any manner. However 42 years of historical records do not lie about what the conservative right wing and corporate democrats in our government have done with the economy and to us. There is a way for We the People to strike back at those attacking us and win, in fact this is the only way. The Framers of the Constitution were very smart about this. We the People can perform “Election Campaign Finance Reform” ourselves instead of waiting forever for the reforms the politicians will never undertake on their own. Plus there is nothing in the Constitution that declares "Free Market Capitalism" is the one and only economic model for the land, the Framers very wisely put that responsibility of choice into the hands of "We the People". We must start electing only those persons who will not take campaign contributions from any source of wealth. Our politicians have been bought and paid for by wealthy donors for 40 years, all the republicans certainly are bought, and the "Corporate Democrats" are bought as well. These politicians represent donors not voters, and are thus corrupted. The only clean politicians we have are those like Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna, who raise money from the people and not from corporate/wealthy donors. We have to vote out the corruption and vote in only those that pledge to serve the peoples interests. They can prove their loyalty by never taking money from business, corporations, millionaires, billionaires, political action committees (PAC's) or lobbyists. They must also pledge in perpetuity not to seek employment with PAC's or lobbying interests after their term in office. This is the only way we can protect our U.S.-Constitution and honor the efforts of those who protected it with their lives, so that “We the People” will have its protection in perpetuity like the Framers intended.
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  1729. We the People of the United States of America are under systematic and deliberate attack from enemies within. The battleground is economic, the weapons are legislative, the engineers making the weapons are our own representatives in government (not all of them, but most), and the goal of our enemies is to divide society into two classes of people. The Upper Class will have all the wealth, power, privileges, and rights. The Under Class will have no wealth, no power, no privileges and no rights. When the goal of our enemies is achieved, the democratic republic that is the United States of America will no longer exist and a dystopia will take its place. Make no mistake, this is a purposeful and sustained attack against our Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and We the People. Just FYI here: (A dystopia is a community or society that is undesirable or frightening.) The greatest middle class the world has ever experienced was built up in 30 years after World War-2 in the United States of America. Then right about the mid 1970’s the capitalist elites faced two crises simultaneously, the falling rate of profitability in industry and pressing questions from the electorate surrounding the legitimacy of capitalism. Prompted into action to save themselves, the capitalist elites co-opted OUR very own politicians whose duty is to look after us. Ever since then political efforts in the USA have been focused and unified, upon creating the legislative machinery to weaken the middle class, extract its wealth, and reduce it to the Under Class. Conservatives and neoliberals have then spent the last 42 years increasing the income and monopoly of wealth in the economy for the 1% at the top and creating a wealth extraction economy for the middle class and the poor. This is not enough for them, they have also set out to dept enslave not only our own people and government, but also entire countries . . . for the sole purpose of setting up wealth extraction economies in those countries. Going outside of our country to extract wealth makes the treasonous United States politicians and guilty United States businesses into something worse than they already represent, they became international gangsters and extortionists. Meanwhile on the home front, the entire 42-year period has been spent by Republican politicians extolling the conservative virtues of individualism and preaching the “rightness” of the neoliberal supported “Reagonomics”, or “Trickle Down Economics”, or “Free Market Economics”, to the electorate, while creating a monopolistic economy that has decimated the liberty of individuals. It appears from my vantage point that the politicians making the policies do not actually believe in the U.S.-Constitution, nor are they doing their sworn duty to protect it. The "right-wing and "corporate owned" politicians we elect are themselves the “domestic enemies” of the Constitution because their policies will lead the destruction of the Constitution. Of course we had no way of knowing that until recently, because we trust our politicians and could simply not believe they would deceive us in any manner. However 42 years of historical records do not lie about what the conservative right wing and corporate democrats in our government have done with the economy and to us. There is a way for We the People to strike back at those attacking us and win, in fact this is the only way. The Framers of the Constitution were very smart about this. We the People can perform “Election Campaign Finance Reform” ourselves instead of waiting forever for the reforms the politicians will never undertake on their own. Plus there is nothing in the Constitution that declares "Free Market Capitalism" is the one and only economic model for the land, the Framers very wisely put that responsibility of choice into the hands of "We the People". We must start electing only those persons who will not take campaign contributions from any source of wealth. Our politicians have been bought and paid for by wealthy donors for 40 years, all the republicans certainly are bought, and the "Corporate Democrats" are bought as well. These politicians represent donors not voters, and are thus corrupted. The only clean politicians we have are those like Bernie Sanders and Ro Khanna, who raise money from the people and not from corporate/wealthy donors. We have to vote out the corruption and vote in only those that pledge to serve the peoples interests. They can prove their loyalty by never taking money from business, corporations, millionaires, billionaires, political action committees (PAC's) or lobbyists. They must also pledge in perpetuity not to seek employment with PAC's or lobbying interests after their term in office. This is the only way we can protect our U.S.-Constitution and honor the efforts of those who protected it with their lives, so that “We the People” will have its protection in perpetuity like the Framers intended.
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  1731. Darlene Royce - Let us talk about real issues. The wall is a diversion so that "Mr President" does not have to deal with stagnant wages, the lack of any type of job security with benefits like pensions, the fact that housing and energy and health insurance and college tuition and transportation costs have all risen over 200% since "trickle down Ronnie" . . . . or that China has single handedly saved the entire global economy from crashing after the 2008 so-called recession, which was caused by the USA BTW. The wall is a con job, to distract you from criminal donny's incompetence. Have you even looked at that the Senate republicans have been up to over the past two years? They are not passing any legislation that is helping the American people . . . so what exactly have they been doing? Oh-yeah . . . they have been confirming unqualified pro-corporate, anti-citizen federal judges at a rate so fast that in two years more federal judges have been seated than in all eight years of the previous administration. Why would they do that? Well now, that brings us to the longest running con pulled on the American people. Republicans pretending to be upright citizens of the USA and standing for the Constitution. The reality is this, republicans want the Constitution gone, burned to ash. Don the Con will topple the federal government if he can, that is his goal. He does not believe in democracy or the Constitution. Mitch is in on this also, those federal judges are in place to undermine the Constitution, not to shore it up. Get a grip.
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  1759.  @davidvernon3119  - Yes, I do have a theory. Just a bit of background history to lay the groundwork. On September 19, 2019, the Federal Reserve started a massive liquidation program for banks to head off another financial disaster. The overnight lending rate between banks has suddenly jumped from less than 2% to over 10%, which loosely translated meant that the banks were running far too low on cash. This came in the form of "repurchasing operations" or REPO's, where the Federal Reserve repurchased treasury notes the banks were holding as part of their reserves. The lack of liquidity was caused by the heating up of the stock markets, the banks simply did not have enough cash on hand to meet client requirements for stock purchases. There has been huge inflation for the past decade, but not in consumer goods. The inflation was all in asset acquisition concentrated in the stock market. Do you remember how Trump was always bragging about the stock market? The Federal Reserve is still propping up the banks almost two years later and has eliminated the reserve holding requirements. Over the past decade there has been a huge movement in corporate stock buybacks, which has been pumping up stock prices. At first the corporations (and banks) had been using their own money for stock repurchasing, but over the past year, the Federal Reserve has been allowing corporations to borrow directly from them, by adding corporate bonds to its balance sheet. All of that corporate bond money has been going straight into the stock market. Now the stock market is so overheated, that asset purchases have started to bleed out into the housing market. Right now things have gotten crazy, housing on the market all over the world are getting dozens to hundreds of offers, with many of those offers consisting of all cash. Buyers are paying through the nose, going far over asking prices, waiving inspections and even appraisals in order to make the purchase. Right now we are seeing huge inflation in real estate and I expect that this buying frenzy will start to bleed over into into the general economy. Have you seen the price of lumber lately? Lumber is double or even triple what it was two years ago, which is why housing starts have bottomed. I believe we will start to see inflation in consumer goods soon and we might even enter a 1970's style stagflation if we do not get a massive federal jobs program soon.
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  1772. Ok, I just watched this video. First of all, Prager U is a propaganda channel set up by Dennis Prager. While his videos are very appealing to conservatives, they are highly skewed. When I refer to "progressives", I'm not talking about the way households or local governments are run. I'm talking about how the federal government is run and the way the wealthy gain more wealth. We run our household with conservative methodology. Local and state governments must operate using a conservative methodology or they will go broke. That is not the way the federal government or those with excessive wealth operate. There is a distinction and a difference. The federal government creates money and can never go broke. None of our federal tax money is used to run the federal government, all of the federal government operating expenses are covered through congressional appropriations and spending bills signed by the president. Spending bills signed into law are the check, and the U.S. Treasury can always cash the check. The federal government chooses to sell bonds, though there is no requirement for this, it is a safe haven for savings because the federal government can never go broke. Our federal tax money is used to retire older bonds, but the reason the federal debt keeps going up is because taxes have been lowered over the past four decades for the higher income and wealthy citizens, so there is not enough taxes coming in to retire bonds. Of course there are other reasons for the federal debt going up, useless wars, bailing out banks and Wall Street, subsidies to industry, etc. However the main reason we have a federal debt is that the U.S. government is the source of all currency and if that currency is withdrawn by balancing the budget, we would be in perpetual economic depression. Those with excessive wealth (I consider the wealth of Dennis Prager to be on the low end of the excessive wealth scale), use this type of propaganda to advocate for low taxes for the wealthy, by trying to equate themselves with a middle income conservative household. They are nothing like a conservative household. The exponential growth of compounded interest creates wealth by extracting it from the very conservative households this propaganda is appealing to. Look here, there is an example of the accumulation of wealth put forward by a 1700's philosopher that I like to use. The economist Michael Hudson translated his writings into U.S. currency so we could understand it. If you took one U.S. penny at 5% compounded interest, and started it in a savings account at the birth of Jesus Christ, by the year 1750 the value of that initial penny would be over 180 earth size globes of SOLID GOLD. This of course, is completely unsustainable. By issuing this kind of conservative propaganda, the wealthy elites are trying to obscure from us the way they grow their wealth, not from hard work and effort like you, or Elon Musk, but from extracting wealth from all of us, so they can get compounded interest based on their already immense accumulated wealth. The same thing happens when you get 20% of the population who have accumulated wealth 2.5 times our annual GDP, the compounded interest being paid on that accumulated wealth can only be gained by extracting wealth from the bottom 80%, but even then, there is a limit. This is why since late September of 2019, the Federal Reserve has been pumping liquidity into the banking system like mad. The world is running out of money to pay interest to the wealthy. Central banks all over the world are pumping currency into the banking system, and that currency is being borrowed by corporations and the wealthy seeking a greater rate of return in the stock markets. That is the entire reason the stock markets are booming. Being progressive in the modern era means putting a stop to the over-accumulation of wealth, because it is simply unsustainable. It is not about jealousy or envy, those words are propaganda talking points. It is about our very survival as a species, that is what being a "progressive" is all about these days.
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  1777. Mike Bloomberg, and all oligarchs for that matter, have convinced Boomers (my generation) and those before the Boomers, that is just fine to sacrifice the future of OUR children and grandchildren. Modern capitalism is a con game, as best illustrated by a quote from Michael Hudson's paper titled "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four Thousand Year Overview. Part 2." "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Today, the top 20% have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Using the same 5% interest rate, the interest payment alone on those financial assets would be 13.41% of the 2018 U.S. national economy. Since the economy grew at far less that 13% in 2018, this means that the interest paid to the top 20% was EXTRACTED from all of us. For those interested in Michael Hudson's paper, here is the URL: http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1779.  @randyjax09  - Yes, I watched with horror as Nancy Pelosi stood up to clap for Juan Quido. That whole thing sickened me. Mike Bloomberg, and all oligarchs for that matter, have convinced Boomers (my generation) and those before the Boomers, that is just fine to sacrifice the future of OUR children and grandchildren. Modern capitalism is a con game, as best illustrated by a quote from Michael Hudson's paper titled "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four Thousand Year Overview. Part 2." "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Today, the top 20% have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Using the same 5% interest rate, the interest payment alone on those financial assets would be 13.41% of the 2018 U.S. national economy. Since the economy grew at far less that 13% in 2018, this means that the interest paid to the top 20% was EXTRACTED from all of us. For those interested in Michael Hudson's paper, here is the URL: http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1785. Being well off is not a bad thing, but how much wealth do people actually need? Once one person surpasses earnings or wealth that puts them and their family beyond the need to work for a living, that is quite enough. It has been shown time and time again that people who pursue wealth beyond their actual needs and beyond a luxury lifestyle, those people are in pursuit of power. This has proven to be extremely bad for society and humanity at large. It is time for us as a society to put stringent limits on how much in earnings and wealth a single person or family can accumulate, because our history has shown wealth beyond that point has detrimental effects on society as a whole. Same thing for large businesses and corporations. It is against the best interests of society to let a company or corporation grow so large, that it starts to devour (as in buy up) other companies. Such behavior needs to be strictly limited or eliminated, for the common good of society. People who have talent and/or good ideas should be rewarded handsomely for their contributions to society. Those same people need to be trained that beyond their handsome rewards, their contribution to society also needs to include the excess wealth generated going back into society . . . to help fund other very smart people in bringing their contributions to society. This should be a civic duty, rather than being looked at as it is now . . . as theft of what a person has "rightfully earned". Besides, when you have so much money that it sits in investment accounts earning interest . . . can that money really be considered as something they have really and truly earned? The rate on return for billionaire investors is more than the GDP growth of entire countries. How is this helpful when those investment accounts help to periodically crash the economy?
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  1787. John Semper - So far, you are arguing from a standpoint or point of view that is fundamentally flawed.If you were referring to state or local governments, then your argument has standing since their existence depends on our taxes, but since you are mocking Bernie and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez . . . it is the federal government you are referring to and that is where your argument has lost its standing. You see, my dear fellow . . . the federal government does not run on our taxes. Refer to our Constitution, Article One, Section Eight. The USA, through Congress, issues all currency. That means the USA is the sole proprietor and manufacturer of the U.S. Dollar. Of all the dollars released into the economy by the U.S Government, only some of them are taxed back, as a method of influencing the economy. The Federal Government technically has no need of our taxes to run itself, Congress simply appropriates funding and the Treasury Department makes the needed money like magic. Notice the word "appropriates", because that is exactly what Congress does. Since the U.S. Dollar is no longer tied in value to any hard metal such as gold, the value is whatever Congress deems it to be. What all of this means is that Congress can pay for anything it wants, including everything that Bernie and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez have proposed. The opposition will tell you that is impossible . . . . but I will tell you a little secret. The republicans and corporate democrats have known about this all along and have deliberately mislead the public with talk about debt, deficits and balanced budgets. Meanwhile, they have been looting the U.S. Treasury on behalf of their corporate donors. That is why we have 21 trillion in federal debt, and virtually nothing to show for it . . . because the vast majority of the money is now private wealth. So, who is really projecting their ignorance? As I asked before "Are you people incapable of doing research?" Everything I have written here can be found and verified from multiple sources. You can start by reading up on the Bretton Woods Agreement and System, then how and more importantly when it was ended.
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  1826.  @pavels5600  - Thank you for the interesting response. What is interesting about is that at the very least, the Yuan is also being devalued. What I was referring to was not the dollar as valued against other currencies, it is that the dollar is being devalued against its own former standing. To ordinary people there is not much distinction between the devaluation of a currency and inflation, its just that inflation happens under a different set of circumstances. This time around, the Federal Reserve is trying to keep interest rates between banks at a set level in the overnight lending market, the stability in those overnight markets is being upset by capital flight from equities to bonds in anticipation of recession. In simple speak, rich people are bailing out of equities to safe havens and they need vast amounts of capital liquidity in order to make the transfer. The end result of this capital transfer is interest rate volatility in the overnight lending markets which is being dampened by liquidity injections by the Fed. The downstream result will be something that looks like inflation for ordinary people as prices go up to counter the devaluation in the dollar. This is one excellent reason why a wealth cap for both individuals and corporations must be installed into the global economy, otherwise fiat currency "printing presses" will be required to run day and night to dampen volatility in all types of markets. While the wealthy can withstand just about any economic storm front, the majority cannot and we are heading for a reckoning.
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  1841. There was a time when Ronald Reagan was a true progressive, he actually made speeches which any progressive today would recognize. Then there came a time in his successful career when he became co-opted by right wing fanaticism because of his own greed. He wondered aloud why he should continue to working, when after six months labor (if you can call acting "labor"), most of his earnings went to the government in taxes. At the time Reagan was musing about this individual income tax rates for the top income bracket were at 91% and 92%, out of sight compared to the present day. He stated that he would be better served spending the last six months of the year on his ranch riding horses. Well, riding horses is exactly what Ronald Reagan should have done. Let another actor have the chance to play that leading man role. Furthermore, the patriotic thing to do was to keep working and pay those taxes willingly to support the USA and all the USA could accomplish with those tax revenues. Instead greed overtook Ronald Reagan, greed that overwhelmed the sense of abundance he should have carried in his heart, greed that eventually corrupted and threatens now to topple this once great country. Exactly how much money does one person need? If Ronald Reagan had enough money to have a ranch and horses by working only six months out of the year, is that not enough for one person to have? This idea that our society can only function when a small segment demands more and more at the expense of the remainder of our society . . . that idea is the symptom of a terminal illness within our society. There is no reason for the wealth concentration pervasive today other than greed. Does not the Bible say something about greed and avarice? The idea of a cap on wealth and income is a healthy one for the society of today. Every person can live well enough, even a life of luxury . . . without the need to accumulate more than could ever be spent in one human lifetime. It is time for us as humanity to grow up, before the idiots of avarice poison the necessary life giving natural systems on OUR collective planet to the point where no living creatures can survive. Once a certain level of personal annual income and accumulated wealth is achieved, any surplus generated needs to be gladly handed back to the society that enabled that income and wealth to be generated in the first place. Attitudes need to change about this topic . . . immediately.
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  1845. Matthew Johnson - With all due respect, you sound sincere however it is you who is mistaken. I've been studying this phenomenon along with other possible "stories" that might be told of humanity's future. Not my entire life, to be sure. This is a recent development that was out outgrowth of a research project I did on our economy. I am 57 now and I began the aforementioned research project when I was 55. Before that time I thought myself well versed in economics, but I was very much incorrect in that assumption. Point of fact. We give up a certain amount of freedom no matter what we do to feed ourselves, to cloth and house ourselves . . . you must know this. I have never claimed that we should go a "socialist route". The reason why? There really is not any set path with one ideology that can be viable, the past forty years outline that fact. The economy and society are one entity, we will solve our problems with a mixture or recipe of ideas and actions. Speaking of recipes, have you ever tasted a perfectly good meal that was spoiled by in injudicious use of spices? I have, so I will claim that the economy and society we have now is rather sour. We need a better recipe. One thing I have not been able to turn up in my research is an overall view of what resources we have here in the USA. We do need a plan for our future, one that is agreed on by our people, We just cannot keep barreling down the economic highway with every mile marker . . . simply marking more growth. If you stop to think about it, exponential growth is not possible . . . . yet every GDP report that shows growth does not separate out the growth from the previous report. Every gain is added to the base from which growth will be measured for the next report. It it apparent that our economic growth is outstripping the resources of this world. Like it or not, something is going to change. If we choose to act, we can moderate whatever discomfort or pain accompanies that change. If we squabble and fight, the change will happen and we will be helpless to do anything but go for the ride. Personally I want humanity to survive and prosper, so all viable alternatives such as socialism, a resource based system, a market system, or a viable mix of systems must be on the table. I could go on, bringing in such topics as supply, monetary inflation, energy use and production . . . but those topics require a dialog. The Fox News crowd is not known for their capacity for dialog . . . . but one can hope. To be honest, I also come here to vent my frustration upon those very people who are most responsible for our moving in the wrong direction. That is you folk, and I come here to squabble with you.
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  1854.  @bluewater454  - Ooooooh, I can't believe you used such a "corny" example! The farmer is not getting those extra seeds at maturity without doing a hellava lot of labor, planting, watering, tending, weeding, keeping away the crows and insects. Those extra seeds don't just magically fall into his lap, unlike those who benefit from compounded interest who do nothing whatsoever to earn that money. Take into account that the corn must use energy from the sun and nutrients from the soil over a season of time to create extra seed, nothing is free. Those extra corn kernels come at a price, a price the farmer pays with toil, sweat, tools and patience. What happens in nature is work, energy and nutrients converted into abundance over time through work to insure survival, which is not at all what financialized compounded interest is. Your theory is trash. Compounded interest is money stolen, taken from the labors and accumulated wealth of everyone who is not getting compounded interest. It is a virus, a parasite, a long con game, feeding on the body of the economy. Simple math shows this to be true. Now let me lay out where you get into trouble with your "theories" about compounded interest. If wealth comes strictly from the productive economy, then shortages of labor and materials will cause inflation. This is something we have all heard of. What most people do not take into account is the affect of compounded interest on the economy. Shortly after World War Two (1947 specifically), the sum of financial assets equaled 2.88 times the size of the economy as measured by GDP. Over the next 70 years, financial assets grew at an average rate of half a percent (0.5%) faster than the economy. Twenty four years later (1971) the US Dollar was taken off the the gold standard so that the amount of dollars printed would no longer be restrained by the amount of gold the USA had on hand. This was necessary because with such a restriction as the gold standard, wealth could no longer grow the way that con-artist economists like Eugen Ritter von Böhm-Bawerk expressed that it should. Taking us off the gold standard led to an expansion of money printing and ten years of inflation, cause and effect right? The problem with that assumption is that we were led to believe that too many dollars were chasing too few goods. In some small part that was correct (gas shortages, etc), but that was not the main driver of inflation. Financial assets had grown so much over the preceding 24 years due to compounded interest, that the gains could no longer be supported by the productive economy. That is the simple truth of compound interest. Keep in mind that financial assets (a non-physical asset such as bank deposits, bonds, and stocks), are artificial constructs whose value is derived from a contractual claim. In a contract, any number can be assigned as interest, regardless of the feasibility of that assignment. From the time they were invented, financial assets have always been assigned an interest rate higher than GDP growth, and therein lies the problem. How do you pay for an annual interest rate on an aggregate sum of financial assets that is greater than the entire annual economic output of a country? There are generally three actions to be taken, and all three have been used over the ensuing decades. The first is to simply roll over the interest into the principal so that the total investment amount grows, with no additional money outlay required at that time, it is simply a bookkeeping action. Since we expect to get paid for our investment at some point, this first action will only work for a short period. Keeping in mind that financial assets grow faster than the economy, the second action is to borrow money to pay the interest (taking money from future earnings). The third action is to raise prices on goods and services, hence inflation that is not connected to any actual shortage of goods and services. This last action is the real cause of inflation over the decades, it is a wealth transfer from society to the holders of the financial assets. Most people are simply not aware that the greatest amount of inflation over the years has nothing whatsoever to do with the availability of goods and services, the inflation we suffer from is necessary to pay for the withdrawal of capital from growing financial assets. Over the decades, financial assets have grown from the 1947 multiple of 2.88 times the size of our GDP, to a multiple of 5.46 times the size of our GDP (108.7 trillion divided by GDP of 19.9 trillion). When people take money out of financial assets to live on, it causes inflation. To sum up, all wealth generation should realistically be confined within the shell of a productive economy. In the late 1700's a mathematician named Richard Price, calculated that a penny let out for 5% compounded interest at the time of "our Saviour’s birth", would result in a sum greater than 150 MILLION earth size globes of solid gold at the time of his writing. Compounded interest is an artificial construct, not based in any realistically achievable method, yet we use compounded interest in our finances as if it were realistic to attain, but it is pure fantasy to base any part of our economy on compounded interest. This, in today's economy, is the real source of inflation, not the over printing of money. That particular belief is fostered by the well ingrained propaganda of those who wish to hide the folly making "money for nothing" from the general public, a public that is kept busy with a multiplicity of diversions and distractions. Now what is the word I am looking for? Oh-yeah, BOOYAA! References: Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis: Total Financial Assets https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TFAABSHNO Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis: Real Gross Domestic Product https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1 The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four-Thousand Year Overview Part II https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1855.  @bluewater454  - Hooo! You are inferring that compounded interest is a process of nature. What a hoot! Obviously you cannot comprehend mathematics, and if you think the average investor researches anything, I have a bridge to sell you. Most investors use index funds or "financial advisors" and very rarely invest in individual companies. You are perpetuating the con, so you air either a mark who believes the propaganda or you are in on the scam. Also, you repeatedly evoke "Marxist theories", which actually indicates that you are a mark, a rube, ripe for the conning. I have never studied Marx and don't care to. The Professor is the one who likes to talk about Marx, not me, so attaching that phrase to every comment has no actual bearing on what compounded interest is or the detrimental effect it has on society. Also, you use the word "brainwashed" like you are standing in front of a mirror talking to yourself, it is very apparent that you are projecting. You have not done the math or tried to reconcile how financial assets can grow to such proportions within the boundaries of any economic system. At least nature is confined to an actual eco-system and cannot grow beyond that system. Wealth has grown far beyond the boundaries of our economic system, has been sucking wealth from future productivity and society itself for half a century, but you are fine with ignoring that as long as you get you share of the loot. Fine, be a pirate then . . . . oh but you can't do that because at least a pirate is honest about what they do.
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  1860. Yasmine Steinbauer - That line you wrote: "Of course I can't rule it out 100%, but everything we know today speaks against it being real experiences." is probably the least pompous and most relevant contribution you have made to this conversation. If humanity manages to survive another 2500 years, what is known now will be quite comparable to what Democritus knew compared to knowledge of the present day. We are adolescent children who know virtually nothing at this stage of our development. Thank you for finally making a contribution that deserves merit. As before however, you immediately resume with the grand pomposity we have all come to expect. Axiom: The first two sentences which started this comment thread are a statement that is taken to be true, to serve as a premise or starting point for further reasoning and arguments. You have been participating in axiomatic arguments against the subject of this conversation. You have grounded your arguments in what seems to you . . . to indicate the only potential truths. You have consistently ruled out other possibilities based on the fact that you-yourself have never experienced anything supporting what "The Everyday Liberal Show" has postulated, which is not a reasoning approach. As history has shown, that is an extremely short-sighted posture for a supposedly scientifically minded person (the "I can rule it out to 99.9%" remark). You have no yardstick for which such a remark can be compared for accuracy, so declaring "I can rule it out to 99.9%", would be the same as declaring you know exactly where the universe ends. This is why I made the "you live in your own universe" observation. Reality . . . My Dear Lady, is not made entirely of what you are able to perceive . . . reality is far grander than your limited perception. My advice, learn to be humble before the universe . . . after all, it made all of us and everything else.
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  1862. The word "shall", and the word "will" are not open to interpretation. Both indicate an inevitable action. There is no room to squeeze in a "maybe" or "maybe not", both words are definitive modal verbs. They are not "could", or "may", or "might", or "should". The word "shall" is as powerful a definitive modal verb as the word "must". There is simply no room for interpretation, which is why that particular law is written the way that it is. Both Trump (by ordering) and Mnuchin (by obeying the order) are breaking the law. If the Supreme Court finds that Trump and Mnuchin have the latitude to reinterpret that law to fit their own will, that will be the day the USA breaks for good. The section that applies to Congress is distinctly clear. In "closed executive session" of the "Ways and Means of the House of Representatives" or the "Committee on Finance of the Senate" or the "Joint Committee on Taxation", the chairman's of these committee's have the absolute right to view any taxpayers information. Here is the exact wordage: 26 U.S. Code 6103 (f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress (1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.
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  1865.  @norsefalconer  - When I finished reading "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins, I was appalled and beside myself with apprehension. I had no idea that U.S. foreign policy had gotten so corrupted . . . or why. Then I started coming across segments of speeches given by U.S.M.C General Smedley Butler in the 1930's. I have not yet read his book, "War is a Racket", but I listened to General Butler describe that he and others in the military were essentially being used as "High Class Muscle" to strong-arm countries into letting in U.S. Corporations to plunder that country's natural resources. I have also listened to Eisenhower's departure from the Presidency speech where he warned us about the "military/industrial complex. When I was a lad and a young adult, I could not be prouder of being an American. This attitude started to erode in my forties. When I was 55, shortly after Trump was elected, I decided to do my own in depth research project into our economy. That has been one very frightful voyage. I had no idea that we as a country were so corrupted,and it explained a lot about why we are so disliked around the world. It took John Perkins book to stitch all the parts together though, there is a small element in our country that has turned us into the thieves, pillagers and looters of the globe. We must put an end to this, and that means taking on our own establishment on both sides of the political spectrum. I'd like to read your opinion on the following. Please feel free to agree or disagree with any part . . . only by doing so can we really get a cross-partisan dialog going which MIGHT be able to save our nation before it collapses. We need six major reforms in the USA, 1) disband the Federal Reserve and put currency control back into the hands of Congress, 2) put the U.S. Treasury under the control of Congress, 3) eliminate fiat currency by once again tying U.S. currency to a gold standard or a combination of precious metals, 4) put a hard cap on accumulated wealth at $10 million per adult and strictly enforce inheritance and family wealth distribution laws to keep the cap in place 5) put a hard cap on how much cash or accumulated profit any corporation can hold, and finally . . . 6) eliminate overseas holdings and non-domestic ownership holdings for U.S. citizen individuals and U.S. registered corporations alike , all holdings must be inside the USA. This means the elimination of multi-national corporations. Global trade is necessary. Trade should be accomplished through currency exchange, not just the U.S. Dollar. The same set of criteria should be applied to all countries across the globe. Looking forward to reading your response.
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  1872.  @spir5102  - I'm going to start exactly where you ended. "If only a handful of us could get organized and start the work." Most of what you wrote is interconnected in some manner, and at the core of it all is wealth. Someone today reminded me that it is already too late to save ourselves from eco-disaster. She is correct. Whether we want to admit it or not, we humans still live in a "might makes right" world. Not to be too dramatic, but if we are going to organize to do anything, it must be to deal with wealth, because that is what is driving us toward extinction. To do so, we must array ourselves with a mightier force than wealth, and with a better plan than wealth. I want to relay to you, the end of a discussion about the "free market", where "Petunia" and I exchanged a few comments. First her final response, then mine. Petunia: "Honestly, not to be a wet blanket, but time is up, now it's a matter of how bad how fast with climate change disasters. Today the temp in the arctic is "Mediterranean". Already we have extreme weather everywhere. And we are proceeding full on with fossil fuels. The earth won't be as it was, and with the feedback mechanisms won't stop getting worse even if we stopped using fossil fuels tomorrow. But we can slow the increasing progress of the severity and speed. But we are not." Coolmodelguy: "We do not, yet. I agree with you fully. My background is engineering, everything is about systems. Our ecosystem is heavily damaged and will not recover in our lifetimes. Yes, we are proceeding with the fossil fuels. To change our trajectory is the best we can hope for. After looking at every variable I can get, with the limited time I have, as an engineer I must get to the core of the problem and make it simple for people to understand. Wealth is the core problem. Humans are obsessed with wealth. But even open systems have boundary limits. Allowing unlimited wealth and abject poverty are two system breaches we can fix. We just need to see it as a priority, which is why oligarch propaganda works so hard to obscure our collective vision. If an oligarchy is to be toppled, taking their wealth is essential to eliminating their power. I want to see a wealth cap, something substantial but never high enough to alter politics. Once that happens, we will get real political representation and can start to mitigate and eventually plan a recovery from this epic disaster. But if we let them continue to rule, I estimate our extinction within 200 years, give or take a decade." This is where I stand. We must change our ways to survive. Wealth must be capped. Abject poverty must be eliminated. We must mitigate climate disasters and prepare for massive human displacement. Then we must make a thousand year plan to restore our planetary climate systems balance. There are thousands of details to work out and a power base to build, one that wealth will no longer be able to corrupt. Here is what I know. The wealthy make very bad decisions, their decisions have historically never worked out for long term survival of a society. Therefor, the wealthy cannot be trusted with our futures. Furthermore, their decisions get people killed in massive numbers. In the past, the wealthy could never really affect their local or global eco-systems. Now they can and they do, resulting in catastrophic misalignments with feedback mechanisms causing massive economic and personal damage. The wealthy are not being held responsible and they are not going to stop. They must be stopped. "If only a handful of us could get organized and start the work."
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  1875. The republican have sold us out big time, just as they have been doing for over 100 years. History shows this very clearly. Just look at what has happened to us as the result of Reagan and Bush over the past 30 years. The statistics are there for everyone to see but usually people do not ask the correct questions. Even with a 300.3% growth in GDP per capita, the American people have been taking a continuous "income cut" every year for over thirty years because our politicians have been taken over by the corporations and wealthy interests. The economy is not doing well, the fundamentals are off the tracks. Stocks are going up because of corporate buybacks, not because people are buying. The corporate media is lying to you. The economic outlook over the past 30 years is not good for “We the People”. Here are the baseline statistics: The United States GDP per capita rose 300.3% over the past 30 years. Median wages for men rose by 1.05% over thirty years. Median wages for women rose by 151% over thirty years. Median wages for women remains 35% lower than men’s median wages, even though women median wages have risen far higher than men’s over the past thirty years. In 1986 median wages for men were standing at 185.2% of per capita GDP. By 2015 median wages for men had fallen to 66.2% of per capita GDP, that is a 64.3% loss in earning power over 30 years. Median household income rose 236% over the past 30 years. Since the growth of median income of men and women combined is only 152.5% over thirty years, it is a fact that there must be three or more earners per household in the present day. The days of single and dual earner households are gone. Median household income in 1985 was $23,620, well below the men’s median income of $35,324 which points to the fact men did not head most households at that time . . . or since then. With a 64.3% erosion of men’s earning power over thirty years, the modern household must have three, four or five working people in order to have an increased median household income of 236% over thirty years. New homes have gone up 335% over thirty years. Existing homes have gone up 292% over thirty years. Rents have gone up 299% over thirty years. Energy has gone up 177% over thirty years. Transportation has gone down 3% over thirty years. The cost of public college gone up 305.2% over thirty years (not including the costs of boarding, books and supplies). Of these items listed above, all except for two items fall within a range of growth similar to the GDP per capita growth over thirty years. The two anomalies are energy which has risen only 60% as much as the other items. The real sore thumb is transportation, which is the one thing everyone notices when price changes occur since we are a commuter culture. I smell something foul here, prices being fixed as to not draw attention to other giant cost increases within our economy. Don’t piss off the commuter or you will have revolution! However a steady upward creep of prices against diminished earning power will continue beyond our ability to pay, all happening very quietly so no one will notice or complain. Here is the list of items where the capitalist corporations are really sticking it to us, this is the wealth extraction economy at work. The cost of childcare gone up 546% over thirty years. The cost of healthcare gone up 601% over thirty years. The cost of pharmaceuticals gone up 894% over thirty years. And finally: The federal student loan burden being carried by our youth has gone up 14,800% over thirty years. In conclusion, the median earning power of American workers cannot keep up . . . and has not been able to keep up with basic living costs for decades. This is forcing all of us into eternal debt. You cannot have a GDP per capita going up and pay the workers less, while at the same time increasing basic necessary living costs at GDP per capita rates (or double, even triple that). Sources: https://www.census.gov/const/uspriceann.pdf https://www.census.gov/const/uspricemon.pdf https://www.census.gov/construction/nrs/pdf/uspriceann.pdf https://www.realestateabc.com/graphs/natlmedian.htm https://ycharts.com/indicators/sales_price_of_existing_homes https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/census/historic/grossrents.html https://www.zillow.com/home-values/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/household-bills/9892984/How-prices-changed-over-30-years.html http://traveltrends.transportation.org/Documents/CA08-4.pdf http://www.nytimes.com/1986/07/30/us/spending-for-health-care-in-1985-rose-at-lowest-rate-in-2-decades.html https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/new-peak-us-health-care-spending-10345-per-person http://www.in2013dollars.com/Tuition,-other-school-fees,-and-childcare/price-inflation/1986-to-2016?amount=20 https://www.statista.com/statistics/184914/prescription-drug-expenditures-in-the-us-since-1960/ https://college-education.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005532 http://www.onlinecolleges.net/student-debt-in-the-u-s-part-2-a-brief-history-of-student-debt-in-the-united-states/ https://studentloanhero.com/student-loan-debt-statistics/ https://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-156.pdf https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2016/demo/acsbr15-02.pdf https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/usa?year=1986 http://statisticstimes.com/economy/north-american-countries-by-gdp-per-capita.php
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  1877. I can't figure out my fellow Americans, are you too scared, or do you just not care? In 30 years, 10% of Americans will OWN ALL WEALTH. Today Donald Hump proposed rounding up homeless in California and putting them into internment camps costing over $700/day/per individual . . . paid for by the Federal Government. Fox News has been drumming up support for this policy idea all week. For the cost of this "internment" plan, all homeless could easily be housed without losing their freedom. More people are on their way to homelessness and it will include people that used to think it would never happen to them. The 1% in this country have $30 trillion in accumulated wealth they are not spending, at a mere 2% interest it would take all the GDP gains for 2018 plus an additional $40 billion to pay. Yet when I look at S&P500 index funds, they have been paying over 9% since 1994. Look at a more moderate 5% rate of return, that comes out to $1.5 trillion which eats all 2018's GDP gain plus 1/20th of the entire economy. Thom reported on the U.S. Treasury report in August 2019 which spelled out in detail that in 33 years, the top 10% will own ALL wealth in the USA. The bottom 90% are all going to end up in internment camps. So what is wrong with all of YOU, that whenever I bring this topic up of the wealthy eating our economy whole . . . I hear nothing but silence? Are you all too scared to react, to horrified to take serious action, or even to think about what must be done? Is fighting a racist agenda more important to you? These wealthy people don't care at all if you are white, black, brown, yellow or purple. They are distracting us on purpose with everything under the sun, do you simply not care that soon you and your children, your entire families will be homeless or worse . . . in internment camps?
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  1901.  @seneca983  - The mechanics of stock buybacks dictate that buying back shares increases the value of existing shares, since the market cap of the corporation remains the same. (The market cap does not include taxes, which are paid by the individual stock holder on any capital gains realized through dividends.) By taking shares off the market, each share now receives an increased dividend, which is why stock buybacks are a thing. Our entire conversation has been caught up in technicalities. Whether or not you meant it this way, technicalities are used as a diversion from the overall big picture. We are entering into an age of "Techno-Feudalism", where each American family sends a $5000 "wealth tax" directly to the oligarch class each year. The direct historical comparison is the serf's producing on the lords land, produce tithes for the lord first and then existing on whatever excess the serfs can produce that year. There are four Federal Reserve (FRED) charts that show exactly how screwed we are right now. The first one shows that the wealthy gained $9.8 trillion in financial asset value in 2020. The second one shows that real GDP dropped by $459 billion in 2020 (yet the stock market went up). The third one shows that money printing shot straight up in 2020, with $13.73 trillion in new dollars created (over 90% of that went straight to the stock market). The forth one shows the velocity of money, which has dropped to the slowest in history, because ordinary people don't have any money to spend. The last two graphs show something extraordinary, tons of money being printed and none of that money getting into the hands of ordinary people. The first graph shows where all the money went (into the stock market), to those who already have more than enough. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TFAABSHNO https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1V
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  1912.  @OhOkay5565  - Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1918. You know, the comments here are rather strange. Yes, there are more homeless people here than in any other state. Why? Because the weather is survivable all year round, it has nothing to do with political ideologies. California roads are not the best to be sure, yet as my daughter departed her state due to divorce, she noted that the roads that were not interstate highways were exceedingly bad in every state until she arrived here. I'm going to point fingers here, "you people", who write all the snide comments about "Commieforna" and the democratic politicians here, yet you are blissfully unaware that you are being manipulated. This video is manipulating you. John Stossel is not an unbiased reporter. His Fox Business show "Stossel", aired viewpoints on individual freedom, free market capitalism and small government, all very common in the American media. Yet what most people seem unaware of is these are the talking points of billionaires, whose purpose is to use propaganda in pursuit of power. The homeless issue is not a product of political positions, because it happens regardless if a democrat or republican is in power. Homelessness is a product of growing wealth, when large corporations buy up whole neighborhoods, driving up costs of home ownership for everyone and driving those less able to cope onto the streets. The wealthy cleaned up in 2020, with financial assets gaining almost ten trillion dollars. I believe the entire reason Trump never responded to the Covid pandemic is because corporations wanted to fire millions and re-hire some of the fired workers at lower wages. Stop blaming the politicians and political parties, while they are not saints, they are not the ones in the drivers seat. Use your common sense people, wealth cannot get bigger while millions lose everything, not unless something fishy is going on with our "elite" wealth holders.
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  1925.  @TheDiamond2009  - A great number of very intelligent people, whom I respect for their opinions, think as you do. If I were not after one piece of information from you in order to demonstrate what you have learned about economics, I would debate you on any number of specific subjects you have written about. Concerning the numerous economic subjects you brought up in your latest post, it is remarkable that you named so many and have yet to come close to hitting the target. Just to refresh, the question was: What is the one element of our current form of capitalism, that will cause the most harm to the economy? Hint number one: The answer consists of two words. Hint number two: The answer has nothing to do with "point of view". The answer is "compounded interest". This is elemental knowledge that is simply deleted from our collective consciousness because we are being bombarded by so many diversionary topics, very much like the answers you gave. You mentioned twelve different subjects in your latest reply, all of which are shoved in front of our awareness on a daily basis in order to distract us. This is so extremely simple to understand. Take 215 of our current U.S. dollars and invest them at 5% compounded interest for 1800 years, the sum total would have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. The math for this equation was worked out over 245 years ago, and not for the first time. The rulers of Ancient Babylonia knew all about the destructive nature of compound interest and had a policy of forgiving all private debt when a change of rulers occurred. "Socialism" or "Capitalism" are just names used to divide our attention, like so many other "names" that get bandied about these days. My belief is that capitalism works just fine, but like every other system in Creation, it must have top and bottom end limits applied to wealth. NO system, either artificial or natural, has the ability to survive if too small or immunity from destruction if grown too large. If you disagree with that assessment, then name a system that has no limits. Meanwhile, a bit of reading would help you understand compound interest, its history and ramifications. Michael Hudson: The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four-Thousand Year Overview Part II Link: https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  1926.  @TheDiamond2009  - Thank you for your thoughtful reply. As a matter of course, I dislike labels except as accurate descriptions of what the labels refer to. References to democrats, republicans, liberals, conservatives, socialism, Marxism and even capitalism are very often either meaningless or misapplied. You mentioned Marxist principles in one of your comments. Most people seem to think that "Marxism" is an economic system, a common and not accidental perception. Karl Marx wrote three books as a critique of capitalism. These three volumes are collectively known as Das Kapital and were not written to be a replacement economic model for capitalism. A Marxist economist is an economist who is critical of capitalism, but do not offer a replacement economic system to take the place of capitalism. To think otherwise is a common practice put forward by those who wish us distracted. David Harvey, who is a Marxist economist, has put forward two observations I found to be relevant and useful. The first observation is that few people look at the "mass" of our economy, or the "mass" of accumulated wealth. People tend to think in short term definitions, as in this years GDP output or how much a 401k account has grown over the past year. The "mass" of any system is of vital importance relative to the system performance. The second observation by David Harvey is that capitalism is too well entrenched world wide, to be uprooted by revolution. The French Revolution cannot be replicated successfully in modern times. I am a retired mechanical engineer, with keen interests in cosmological physics, aviation, geology, fluid dynamics, economic systems and lately gold prospecting along rivers. My entire career has dealt with systems, all of which have upper and lower limits of operation. When talking to ordinary folk about systems, I prefer to use an automobile engine for reference because almost everyone is familiar with a car. When asked if one would lower the factory settings for engine idle RPM, most people say no. When asked why, I often get incredulous looks as they explain to me that lowering the idle RPM would make the engine quit most of the time, and they are correct. Conversely, tampering with the upper RPM limits would most likely result in a blown engine. People innately understand upper and lower limits as applied to a car engine system, but fail to understand that upper and lower limits must also apply to an economic system. That failure to understand economic system limits is no accident, we have been taught to accept that being wealthy or poor has no intrinsic limits. This begs the question, why have we been taught to accept this antithetical notion? I have referred often to distraction. Simply put, those who have wealth wish to distract from the methodology of attaining greater wealth. We have often heard that Bill Gates is wealthy because he formed the company/corporation of Microsoft. That Jeff Bezos is wealthy because he formed the company/corporation of Amazon. That Elon Musk is wealthy because he sells electric cars and builds really cool rockets that land themselves. How each of these men got their start is one thing, how they attained their great wealth is mostly due to compound interest on "investments". I have put the word "investments" in quotation marks because that is another label whose meaning is no longer accurate. The billionaires David and Charles Koch were masters of manipulative distraction in order to hide the sources of their wealth accumulations. Those two were directly involved in funding and directing a number of so-called "conservative" think tanks whose actual role is to saturate the media landscape with probable, yet misleading ideas, in order to distract and dilute our attention. If people really understood how they gained a majority of their wealth and comprehended the "mass" that privately held wealth has attained, no billionaires would actually exist. I'll leave you with four charts from the Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis (FRED), which tell a tale of impending economic system failure. The first chart is a graph of privately held financial assets, the growth of which in the year 2020 was 10.4%, or $9.8 trillion. You can use the first chart to compare $104.7 trillion in privately held financial assets to the real GDP, which is under $20 trillion for that year. How is it possible that a $20 trillion GDP, falling 3.5% year over year, could furnish $9.8 trillion in financial asset growth? The third chart shows new dollar creation for the year at $13 trillion, which combined with fiscal stimulus of over $3 trillion, provided the majority of the power needed for financial assets to grow in 2020. The final chart proves that most of the money creation and fiscal stimulus went directly to the wealthiest among us, because the "velocity" of money is at a historical low, meaning a vast majority of all that money never made it into the productive economy. The chart shows monetary velocity dropping off a cliff in 2020, from 5.247 Q1 to an all time low of 1.221 for Q4. My summary? It is the "entitlement" of "compound interest" on "investments" that is directly responsible for the economic situation we have currently. Wealth and debt always grows faster than the economy, which is why the Ancient Babylonians reset both, when a new ruler took power. Not us, we must either be stupid or we are being misled. I choose the latter, because I don't think people are that stupid. How much money is the Federal Reserve going to "create" as "QE" for 2021, just so that financial assets and other forms of wealth will continue to accomplish 10.4% annual growth rates? Will it be $15 trillion this year? $20 trillion? How about 2022? The system we have now exceeded its upper limits for wealth creation over a decade ago, and there are no lower limits so millions will fall into destitution. This is no way to run an economy. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TFAABSHNO https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1V
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  1928.  @garyhatten8812  - When I was out and about today, YouTube notified me about one of your comments, but not the first comment you addressed to me in this comment feed. Now that I am home and can easily read the entire comment thread, I can see that you were specific. "Unregulated capitalism" are your choice of the two words and I commend your choice. As my background demands that I be very specific, I am going to reprint the question here: "What is the one element of our current form of capitalism, that will cause the most harm to the economy?" The word "element" is the key word to pay attention to here. To be very specific, there was no argument between TheDiamond2009 and myself to win. He was being critical of AOC and I wanted to test his economic knowledge. There is a great deal of propaganda and misinformation about, some of which TheDiamond2009 used in his comments. I was looking for his answer on a particular element of capitalism that causes the most harm. Growing wealth beyond the capability of an economy to support is the harm, and compound interest is the mechanism through which that harm is achieved. By the way, I will not claim to be an expert on any subject, however I have studied our macro economy in great detail. One thing I can state with absolute certainty is the following: Accumulated wealth erodes and then eliminates all reform, including regulations. Therefor, if any lasting change to the economy is going to take place, the first thing to accomplish is to place limits on both the upper and lower thresholds of individual wealth accumulation. Without those limits in place, no economy can escape self destruction.
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  1929.  @TheDiamond2009  - It is a rare pleasure for me, to be able to read a lengthy and knowledgeable comment, or in your case a trio of comments. Thank you for that. Since I have several manual labor projects on my plate today, I must endeavor to keep my reply somewhat shorter. You are correct, there is a delineation between income streams and the market valuation of financial assets (capital). Very few people are going to sell off all of their financial assets for cash, especially after a lifetime of accumulation. Taken individually, using the examples you laid out, none of those you have assisted with their wealth management are threats to the economy. The real threat comes from the aggregation of all of the high end individual wealth accumulators. Add to the mix, the modern behavior of corporations, who are now borrowing vast sums of money from the Federal Reserve via corporate bond instruments, for the sole purpose of repurchasing and retiring shares of stock in order to drive stock prices higher, the sheer mass of capital demanding a rate of return is staggering. Those graphs from the Federal Reserve for both GDP and financial assets are a visual representation of an "exponential growth curve". The financial assets graph, if the line is projected into the future, show the curve bending into the vertical within forty years. The ramifications of a vertical growth line is that wealth will be concentrated to a very few individuals, who will hold power over billions of humans. The GDP graph, which is growing substantially slower, still shows an exponential growth curve. The real problem we must face is that exponential growth, or infinite growth, is impossible on a finite planet. All systems have limits, even the planet we depend on to keep us alive, which is something we must "learn to live with". I personally do not see our current form of capitalism being able to adapt, without placing serious regulatory limits in place governing both lower individual wealth allocations and upper individual wealth accumulation thresholds.
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  1957. John Stewart - For your first question, yes these are inflation adjusted numbers. The answer to your second question is this: The value of all of our work is being stolen by something I call "extraction economics". The sources for my information are included at the end of this comment. Here are the baseline statistics: The United States GDP per capita rose 300.3% over the past 30 years. Median wages for men rose by 1.05% over thirty years. Median wages for women rose by 151% over thirty years. Median wages for women remains 35% lower than men’s median wages, even though women median wages have risen far higher than men’s over the past thirty years. In 1986 median wages for men were standing at 185.2% of per capita GDP. By 2015 median wages for men had fallen to 66.2% of per capita GDP, that is a 64.3% loss in earning power over 30 years. In 1986 median wages for women were standing at 82.3% of per capita GDP. By 2015 median wages for women had fallen to 42.4% of per capita GDP, that is a 51.5% loss in earning power over 30 years. Median household income rose 236% over the past 30 years. Since the growth of median income of men and women combined is only 152.5% over thirty years, it is a fact that there must be three or more earners per household in the present day. The days of single and dual earner households are gone. Median household income in 1985 was $23,620, well below the men’s median income of $35,324 which points to the fact men did not head most households at that time . . . or since then. With a 64.3% erosion of men’s earning power over thirty years, the modern household must have three, four or five working people in order to have an increased median household income of 236% over thirty years. New homes have gone up 335% over thirty years. Existing homes have gone up 292% over thirty years. Rents have gone up 299% over thirty years. Energy has gone up 177% over thirty years. Transportation has gone down 3% over thirty years. The cost of public college gone up 305.2% over thirty years (not including the costs of boarding, books and supplies). Of these items listed above, all except for two items fall within a range of growth similar to the GDP per capita growth over thirty years. The two anomalies are energy which has risen only 60% as much as the other items. The real sore thumb is transportation, which is the one thing everyone notices when price changes occur since we are a commuter culture. I smell something foul here, prices being fixed as to not draw attention to other giant cost increases within our economy. Don’t piss off the commuter or you will have revolution! However a steady upward creep of prices against diminished earning power will continue beyond our ability to pay, all happening very quietly so no one will notice or complain. Here is the list of items where the capitalist corporations are really sticking it to us, this is the wealth extraction economy at work. The cost of childcare gone up 546% over thirty years. The cost of healthcare gone up 601% over thirty years. The cost of pharmaceuticals gone up 894% over thirty years. And finally: The federal student loan burden being carried by our youth has gone up 14,800% over thirty years. In conclusion, the median earning power of American workers cannot keep up . . . and has not been able to keep up with basic living costs for decades. This is forcing all of us into eternal debt. You cannot have a GDP per capita going up and pay the workers less, while at the same time increasing basic necessary living costs at GDP per capita rates (or double, even triple that). Sources: https://www.census.gov/const/uspriceann.pdf https://www.census.gov/const/uspricemon.pdf https://www.census.gov/construction/nrs/pdf/uspriceann.pdf https://www.realestateabc.com/graphs/natlmedian.htm https://ycharts.com/indicators/sales_price_of_existing_homes https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/census/historic/grossrents.html https://www.zillow.com/home-values/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/household-bills/9892984/How-prices-changed-over-30-years.html http://traveltrends.transportation.org/Documents/CA08-4.pdf http://www.nytimes.com/1986/07/30/us/spending-for-health-care-in-1985-rose-at-lowest-rate-in-2-decades.html https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/new-peak-us-health-care-spending-10345-per-person http://www.in2013dollars.com/Tuition,-other-school-fees,-and-childcare/price-inflation/1986-to-2016?amount=20 https://www.statista.com/statistics/184914/prescription-drug-expenditures-in-the-us-since-1960/ https://college-education.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005532 http://www.onlinecolleges.net/student-debt-in-the-u-s-part-2-a-brief-history-of-student-debt-in-the-united-states/ https://studentloanhero.com/student-loan-debt-statistics/ https://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-156.pdf https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2016/demo/acsbr15-02.pdf https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/usa?year=1986 http://statisticstimes.com/economy/north-american-countries-by-gdp-per-capita.php
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  1968. Spring Time - You are correct, we have been betrayed. You are also correct about our own ignorance of the financial and political system. I am 56 years old and always prided myself about being an informed voter, then last year I started digging and researching on my own and found out that we have been lied to by our media and government. In response I have been activated, but our people have been adversely affected by the news-byte and seem incapable of absorbing critical information. To counter this I have been writing short byte commentary for the purpose of waking people up. Here is a sample: "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."  — John F. Kennedy, inauguration address, January 1961. While that speech was going on . . . in smoke filled boardrooms across the United States of America . . . the Captains of Industry looked about at the world opening up before them. They said unto themselves, why be Captains of Industry in the United States of America . . . when we can be Kings of Capitalism over the entire world! Screw JFK and The American Way, and by the way . . . screw the American people, who needs them when we have a planet full of cheap labor? That is when the national economy of the USA was abandoned in favor of a global economy that forever crippled the American worker. We should recognize this simple fact and devise a plan to extract ourselves from under the claw of predatory capitalism run amok. The wheels were turning on us even while us Boomers were being born. I was born later on in 1961 and I have never felt free for my entire life. While Kennedy was telling Americans to "ask what you can do for your country", the very few most powerful White Male Americans were turning traitor against all the rest of us. They even planned to promote illegal immigration to undermine the labor unions at the same time they shipped out our jobs, giving themselves an excellent scapegoat for future use. What we really need to do is not blame ourselves because we had so very little say in the matters. What we really need to do is rise up and say "Enough Already". Predatory Capitalism is not our king, nor are the perpetrators our kings. Yet Congress is treating them like kings . . giving them our money in the form of corporate welfare. When that speech was given by JFK . . . $1.50 was paid in taxes by business and corporations for every $1 paid by the individual. Remember also that in those days the top rate for individuals was above 70% before deductions. Today corporations and businesses pay 25 cents in taxes for every dollar the individual pays in taxes, with the top bracket just lowered to 37%. Wages have stagnated . . . but what is not reported is that those wages buy less than half of what was possible 30 years ago. Meanwhile expenses have risen at the same rate or higher than GDP per capita. We are being sucked dry and the schemers doing the sucking are following a plan cooked up by old enemies of Roosevelt . . who incidentally also brought us the GREAT REPUBLICAN DEPRESSION. What we need to do is to overthrow the capitalist system. Changing laws or making new regulations will not work, those mechanisms are undermined as soon as they are implemented. We need a Green power grid, we need corporations to be abolished or if not, then labor and women need to make up 50% of the Board of Directors of every corporation BY LAW. It is time to make changes that are a permanent from the male dominated hierarchies in government and business.
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  1979.  @Gamenetreviews  - You have a very shallow argument there Game. Bill Gates 2% annual wealth tax on $20 billion would be $400 million. No one of his stature would settle for less than a 5% rate of return on his invested wealth, so even after he paid the 2% his net worth (at 5% RoR) his fortune would still grow by $600 million. The problem no one is talking about is this: The 1% have over $30 trillion in idle wealth which they "invest" for a rate of return. There is also $28 trillion in retirement savings which is also invested for growth, which must be a RoR over inflation and fees. I don't know how much of an overlap there is between the retirement savings and the 1%'s accumulated wealth, so for the sake of simplicity, lets ignore the retirement savings in the following math which illustrates the problem few seem to grasp. Our U.S. economy is just shy of $20 trillion in annual GDP with a growth rate (in 2018) of 2.56% The 1% are "investing" at a RoR of over 5%, (S&P 500 index funds have paid over 9% since 1994). That is $30 trillion seeking a rate of return in a $20 trillion annual economy. The economy GDP grew by $560 billion in 2018. The RoR on $30 trillion at 5% is a trillion and a half dollars ($1.5 trillion) Can you see the problem yet? To pay the 1% their RoR, all of the GDP gains for 2018 are eliminated, plus an additional $940 billion skimmed directly out of the economy. This is done by raising the price of health care, housing and whatever else can be used by financial institutions to extract wealth from us, all the while calling that extraction "product" or "production in the economy". That extraction from us is actually counted by these criminals as part of the economic growth for the year. In reality the economy is shrinking, the numbers are being skewed to hide this from us. What we really need to do is dump this 2% on wealth tax, instead we need to put a hard cap on accumulated wealth for individuals and corporations. This much . . . no more. This whole "incentives" argument is bullshit to cover up the scam they are pulling on us. I say we cap wealth accumulation at $10 million, that is plenty to live a life of luxury and it will stop wealthy people from buying our politics and shaping government policy.
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  1990.  @Gamenetreviews  _ Funny how you keep assigning a source in order to justify your corrupt beliefs. What I wrote about is common knowledge and straight forward math, not a reference to Marx or Picketty. What you are referring to when you cite Google, Facebook or Koch Industries are capitalist monopolies, which is another name for the executioner of small businesses and innovation. The billionaires that have resulted from these monopolies exploit labor and extract wealth from the rest of us, that is not growth, it is cannibalism. Furthermore, the trope that capitalism is the source of innovation and invention is entirely incorrect. The U.S. taxpayers paid for the research and development of the internet, the computer as we now know it, and most of the technology that goes into cell phones. In other words it was socialism that developed the tools of our modern society. Capitalism merely exploited those technologies and made monopolies out of them. Capitalist only care about quarterly profits, they cannot make long term investments because they only think about their short term bottom line, so they steal the results of our long term investments paid for with our tax dollars so they can be exploited. All you have to justify your support of the capitalist system are lies and propaganda. Keep it up and get used to watching your back, the people will not stand for this bullshit much longer. If you keep going down this blatantly dishonest path, the modern equivalent of the pitchfork will be your reward.
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  1991. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  2007.  @theflyingpotato5601  - So you believe that when someone has money, they deserve more free money. They don't have to work for that free money, it just comes to them because they already have money. Sorry Buddy, but that just does not wash anymore. Love the way you spell Bud, clever is now "cleaver"! Ha ha!! Now, lets get down to business. I don't have a problem when Bill Gates creates Microsoft and makes several million dollars. However, I do have a problem when he puts millions into a so-called "investment" account which pays out an interest rate that is higher than annual economic growth. Nor is it good for the economy for Bill Gates to charge "rent" on every single financial transaction that uses Microsoft software, especially since users have to buy that software in the first place. You don't know very much about the "rentier class" evidently. Here is the description: Rentier capitalism is a term currently used to describe the belief in economic practices of monopolization of access to any kind of property and gaining significant amounts of profit without contribution to society. Your head if filled with the propaganda these oligarchs put out to confuse poor souls like you into defending their thievery. Every year wealth is drained from you, me and every family in the world, just to pay free money to those who already have too much. Times are changing, so if you want to continue this futile defense of the indefensible, just make sure you have some padding so you don't damage yourself while hitting you head against that stone wall.
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  2009.  @theflyingpotato5601  - You are correct of course, but this system has lead to the downfall of every empire in history. The problem we have today is that capitalism must always grow. Because of this, the savings people have is no longer in hard currency or precious metals (actual metals, not paper based assets). Instead, savings are inextricably tied to ever expanding debt through asset securities and this binds up the market. Free market capitalism really does not exist any longer. Debts cannot be forgiven because those debts represent someone else's savings. The problem is, with the exponential growth of both debt and wealth, at some point in the next century, the entire earth will be owned by one person. Have you read Michael Hudson's paper on the history of compounded interest? My favorite passage demonstrates the folly of our finance system: "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. _One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold_. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” In his Observations on Reversionary Payments, first published in 1769 and running through six editions by 1803, Price elaborated how the rate of multiplication would be even higher at 6 percent: “A shilling put out at 6% compound interest at our Saviour’s birth would . . . have increased to a greater sum than the whole solar system could hold, supposing it a sphere equal in diameter to the diameter of Saturn’s orbit.”" Every fallen empire or nation in our world's history has fallen because of compounded interest, the Roman Empire being a prime example. The same will happen to our own empire, unless we make changes, but that will rely on people like you and I to understand what has happened before us. The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four-Thousand Year Overview Part II https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  2011.  nicki wilson  - I have been following and writing on the comment thread stated by "Constitutional Socialism", in which there is a tire shop worker named "Kyle Watson", to whom you have made several replies. Kyle seems to be unaware that our government has been bought out and is now run by those who hold wealth. You are correct, the government printing presses are running at full capacity, not to fund the government, but to pay the wealthy to stay wealthy. The entire system has become one corrupt mess. Capitalism has been unsustainable for over 30 years now, having exhausted all the potential of actual productivity to produce a constant flow of profit. "Rate of returns" on "investments" can no longer be met by the "markets", but instead must be met by looting the government treasury directly. It astonished me when listening to Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson on the "Renegades Inc." show, say (paraphrasing here) "the new Occupy Wall Street, when it forms, will have competent leadership. The failure of the government to act will result in the new Occupy Wall Street finding the wealthy and their families, pulling them out of their mansions into the street and shooting them in the head". He said this (I believe), because he recognized that the wealthy will never voluntarily give up their power, and they will destroy all organized human society in the pursuit of more wealth. They will have to be stopped by by force. Scraps of paper with president's portraits on them are an artificial construct, and the wealthy are willing to destroy our planet just to have a bigger pile of paper than everyone else.
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  2017. You know, the comments here are rather strange. Yes, there are more homeless people here than in any other state. Why? Because the weather is survivable all year round, it has nothing to do with political ideologies. California roads are not the best to be sure, yet as my daughter departed her state due to divorce, she noted that the roads that were not interstate highways were exceedingly bad in every state until she arrived here. I'm going to point fingers here, "you people", who write all the snide comments about "Commieforna" and the democratic politicians here, yet you are blissfully unaware that you are being manipulated. This video is manipulating you. John Stossel is not an unbiased reporter. His Fox Business show "Stossel", aired viewpoints on individual freedom, free market capitalism and small government, all very common in the American media. Yet what most people seem unaware of is these are the talking points of billionaires, whose purpose is to use propaganda in pursuit of power. The homeless issue is not a product of political positions, because it happens regardless if a democrat or republican is in power. Homelessness is a product of growing wealth, when large corporations buy up whole neighborhoods, driving up costs of home ownership for everyone and driving those less able to cope onto the streets. The wealthy cleaned up in 2020, with financial assets gaining almost ten trillion dollars. I believe the entire reason Trump never responded to the Covid pandemic is because corporations wanted to fire millions and re-hire some of the fired workers at lower wages. Stop blaming the politicians and political parties, while they are not saints, they are not the ones in the drivers seat. Use your common sense people, wealth cannot get bigger while millions lose everything, not unless something fishy is going on with our "elite" wealth holders.
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  2022. bluewater454 - This is not at all about the "devaluation" of the dollar, it is about stagnant wages. Yet I will agree that the dollar has been devalued because massive private financialized risk laden debt has been shifted onto the public books. The Koch Brothers, Putin and Donald Trump are just the latest manifestations of an economic system that has long ago stopped being a healthy system. The shifting of private debt onto the public books (aka the federal deficit) is a confirmed diagnosis that capitalism has turned cancerous and is now eating the host body alive. You wrote: "...and then explain to me why greedy rich guys like Trump and the Koch Bros would devalue their own wealth." Your inquiry is a red herring, everybody knows that the devaluation of fiat currency does not affect the wealthy. However anyone close to or under median wage earnings is drastically affected by currency devaluation. Furthermore, since 81% of all new wealth created goes to the top 1% . . . how can you even put forward such a ludicrous lie and then be taken seriously in a debate? Now to your: "I can give you charts on the value of the US dollar all day long. I dont(sic) need to see yours." statement. How arrogant of you, just like the standard supporter of predatory capitalism in its present form. If you deigned to read and actually understand my statement on wealth, no where am I advocating that capitalism be abolished. What I have written is about the transitory stage between capitalism and socialism that must in fact take place if humanity is to survive. You do want your grandchildren to not go extinct, correct? Finally, if you want me to see your comment then please address it correctly to coolmodelguy. I did not receive a notification of your latest comment from YouTube because you neglected to do this.
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  2027. bluewater454 - Before I begin my main comment I want to make this statement. I have greatly enjoyed reading your comments and have come to respect you knowledge, indeed I have learned from you about the FR dollar and its devaluation. It is indeed a rare thing when someone in the comment section with adversarial economic viewpoints actually contributes to my education in a meaningful manner. Thank you. Your reference to the Titanic is an apt one and a good metaphor to use. In like vein I am going to use nautical metaphors to illustrate points I will be making . . . because they work so well. The reference also fits into an area of interest for me, as a model ship designer I have more expertise on the history of ships than I do on the history or workings of the economy. In your valiant effort to answer my question, you have highlighted by many examples of what I will term "damage control" attempts. None of these attempts were effective, in fact they made the problem worse. Your comment subjects reminded me of two segments of naval military history. 1). In the Battle of Jutland, Vice-admiral Beatty is reported to have remarked "there seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today," after two of them had exploded within half an hour during the battle. His crews had started to disregard safety procedures during the battle, in an effort to fire their guns faster. This bit of history reminds me of how banking regulations when removed, seems to result in future disaster for the associated economy. 2). In the WW2 naval aircraft carrier engagements, the Japanese inflicted heavy damage as did the American forces. We were outnumbered 2 to 1 at the beginning of the war, yet our carriers prevailed over and over again. Both the British and Americans had excellent measures of containing any avgas fires (seawater annulus fuel lines, carbon dioxide filled lines, extinguishers readily available etc) and every sailor was taught on how to fight fire. Not so with the Japanese, and they paid dearly for that oversight. The British had learned their lessons from the previous war and did not repeat their mistakes. We have an economic system that does not learn from previous disasters and whatever safe guards that have been developed are being shredded and destroyed on purpose by this economic system. Can you imagine what would have happened to the British and American navies in WW2 if lessons from the previous war were ignored? A). Going off the gold standard, B). Devaluing the FR note, aka the U.S. dollar, C). Pushing sub-prime mortgages, D). Debt based economy, E). Sustaining household income requiring women and children to work, F). Deregulation G). Tax cuts. . . . . these are examples that I would liken to "damage control parties" which are doing ineffective work, . . . but were is the damage, what is the nature of the damage and what caused it? You have done a great job pointing out many of these thing yet the core question still remains unanswered. How can we do damage control and repairs, not to mention go on sailing when we don't understand what happened to us? I have come to understand it this way. We did not hit an iceberg or have shellfire score a direct hit on our powder magazines. That would be clearly understood. What has happened, the cause of the economic shift which has in my opinion doomed our economy . . . was the death of 1000 cuts. Our demise was not in any of the items you brought up, they all happened after our 1000 cuts were administered. Our demise was brought about during the 1960's when I was a child, when our leading capitalists abandoned our national economy and labor force. One by one and then by the hundreds, our U.S. industrialists who owned the means of production here in the States, sought to abandon the overpaid U.S. labor market because (dramatic pause), thanks in part to WW2 . . . . the entire world of labor had opened up to them and was beckoning seductively (come hither you profit seeking and very handsome men of capitalism . . . ). There was no conspiracy to do this, it was capitalism taking advantage of market conditions. Yet due to this action and the fact that they basically kept it all hush-hush at first, the citizens of the USA and the U.S. economy (that WAS working for workers) . . . began to bleed out all over the floor. Our representative politicians reacted by painting the floor red and whistling a jaunty tune that with the lyrics "I can't see so, nothing to see here". When our industrialists abandoned the national economy, they royally screwed us over. Everything else since then has been ineffective damage control. Earlier on you wrote: "Like most socialists, you are long on rhetoric and short on accurate information." Well now, I am not an expert on the economy and never wanted to be one. I actually trained to be a capitalist machinist, then retrained as an capitalist architect, then retrained again as a capitalist pizza delivery driver. As a 56 year old, what capitalist job set do I retrain for now that I am broke and broken? There is currently a 62% labor participation rate, and I have not participated in the jobs economy since 2008-2009. There are so many my age that are "ghosts" in this economy, we are not wanted any longer. So now I am doing what you advocated for, trying to attain the means of production and become "self sufficient". The economic headwinds are horrendous, and thus I began to doubt what the old timers in business were telling me about how to succeed. That is why I made it a project two years ago to find out what the hell was happening with our economy. Being an accomplished and proper "capitalist project manager" and the kind of person who takes projects all the way from design to completion, I brought that knowledge and research capability to bear on "my economic research project". My biggest discovery was that all of us workers are "short on accurate information" as you stated, because our news media/representative government has been lying to us and misdirecting us. I felt betrayed. Naturally I started seeking alternatives to the economy we have, and now here we are talking about true Marxism and Resource Based Economies, not that propaganda bullshit lies the government and media have been feeding us about what "socialism and communism" is. So . . . how do you think we get out of this disastrous economic conundrum?
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  2030. bluewater454 - So your real point is this: No matter what is attempted, nothing will work so why bother making the attempt. You will really have to explain that one to me in greater detail. With that kind of attitude, why bother to but a red Tesla sports car into orbit and land the reusable rocket boosters onto the launch pad . . . because obviously the genius who dreamed that scheme up is just a dreamer lost in fantasy land. Too many examples contradict your displayed and dour attitude. You know that phrase, "looking at only one side of the coin"? What you are doing is much more selective and subjective in nature. You are looking only at one side of one little ridge . . . on the very thin edge . . . of a very small U.S. minted dime. Your summation represents only a small shot glass in a ocean of human potential. The obvious part of this is that you have chosen that very hidebound position because it suits your perspective. When you wrote: "If that does not describe some of what is coming out of our millennial, and even our "generation X" Americans, I don't know what does." . . . you gave away your prejudged position, which is entirely political in its economic nature. The economic and political leaders of today have been fully aware (as you are also fully aware) for decades of the consequences of capitalism abandoning the U.S. national labor force. That sentence is your cutesy and sickening way of transferring decision making consequences from those who made the decisions . . . onto the backs of their chosen scapegoats. The same game is played with immigrants and the homeless. What you have done here under the guise of your own opinion . . . is spout propaganda. Not even your own original thought. I could spend all night dissecting what you wrote and exposing more of the same, but I what I want from you is some original and out of the box thinking. I don't buy the no-win-scenario, so put on your thinking hat and lets hear something that will actually help us without condemning us to some dystopian nightmare.
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  2032.  @xandro2445  - Respectfully Sir, the military will eventually be used to keep the capitalist oligarchy in power. It does not take much research to find out that our economy is being cannibalized. Here is how that cannibalization is being done. The top 20% of the USA are holding 2.5 times our annual GDP in financial assets (over $50 trillion). The interest on those assets is five times greater than our economy can support and that is supposing that the entire GDP growth is used solely to pay interest. As they say, the facts on the ground are are these, GDP growth in 2018 was 2.56% or $560 billion, while the interest on the top 20%'s financial assets topped $2.5 trillion. Simply put, you cannot have accumulated wealth that is greater than the entire U.S. economy without gutting our country. Since the oligarchy has gone to great pains to demonize socialism, the only course of action remaining is to sic the military on our people when the serious social unrest begins . . . and that will not be long in coming now. The only thing keeping the lid on things now is active propaganda measures which are being disseminated by republicans and corporate democrats alike. The current economic situation has been a long time in the making and as long as our people remain ignorant of the truth, they will remain governable. The oligarchy know the tide is turning however, that is why they spend so much on propaganda lies, to get our own people to turn on each other rather than on them. Marshall law will not be that far into our future, unless we have a sea change in our politics and our economic system.
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  2042.  @freetrailer4poor  - When I read your comments, I have the feeling that your information gathering is either incomplete or the information is tainted. I've had the same frame of mind earlier in my life so I recognize it, at that time I did not have sufficient knowledge and it affected my outlook. Here is my reasoning. You gave an example of a solar company. Such a company is a fairly recent type of endeavor. The move to China started decades before solar power was a thing, so the patterns of global employment had already been established. I remember a solar company in my neck of the woods that went belly up because China could undercut their prices. That was two decades ago, when we did not have a comprehensive picture but were aware that outsourcing was becoming a problem economically. With the banking and real estate arenas, your observations betray a complete lack of knowledge about those economic sectors. I'm not saying that to be harsh, what I'm saying is that you must dig in and study real estate and banking more in depth. Those two sectors make up 2/3rds of the FIRE Sector of the economy, their entire basis for existing is to extract economic rents. The banking sector is supposed to serve the productive sectors of the economy, but they do not. Instead they are extraction specialists, taking wealth from most and funneling it to the upper echelons of our societies. (FIRE Sector consists of Finance, Insurance and Real Estate . . . all of which serves no purpose except to extract wealth.)
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  2065.  @gdiaz8827  - Everything you are writing comes straight from the Oligarch's Propaganda Handbook, specifically the chapter on "Divide and Conquer ", which is how they divert your attention from real problems. You cannot refute the math. Privately held wealth with guaranteed growth is draining our citizens and government treasuries, as shown by all the government bailouts over the past two decades. If you cannot do the math or simply don't care to try, then you are the problem. Just try to tell me that I'm wrong. Oh wait, you are going to tell me I'm wrong regardless, because people like you never research what you are told is true. In 2019, privately held financial assets were greater than $90 trillion. Growth of these assets was minimum 5%, which on $90 trillion is $4.5 trillion in wealth growth. If just 19% of the wealth growth was converted to capital gains, that sum eats all of the economic gains for the year. In fact, the top one percent alone holds more wealth than the middle class. They owned 29 percent—or over $25 trillion—of household wealth in 2016, while the ENTIRE middle class owned just $18 trillion. This has not always been the case. Before 2010, the middle class owned more wealth than the top one percent. Since 1995, the share of wealth held by the middle class has steadily declined, while the top one percent’s share has steadily increased. The acidic demolition of wealth owned by the bottom 90% is destroying our country more efficiently, than socialism/communism has done to any other country.
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  2081. Charles keeps talking about research and development as an corporate entitlement to intellectual property. The basic research done over decades which make these vaccines possible was not done by these big pharma corporations. What Pfizer put in ($2 billion) to quickly develop its version of a Covid-19 vaccine, came after a long chain of research and development. When I just did a cursory search, I came up with the names of the research scientists (Dr. Uğur Şahin and his wife Dr. Özlem Türeci), followed that to Uğur Şahin's career history, where I selected University Medical Center Mainz to follow up on, where he became head of the junior research group. Following the funding for University Medical Center Mainz showed they were funded by EUR 32 million by the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research. This was but a small slice of information, yet I wonder of what share of Pfizor's profits go back to the German Federal Ministry of Education and Research? This is yet another example of how "our money" does the major funding for basic research and then the positive results gets "handed off" for free to a private corporation and we get nothing. So Pfizer put in $2 billion, they should simply do that as a public service. In the first quarter of 2021, Pfizer sold $3.5 billion of the Covid-19 vaccine, 20% of which will be profit. They will make their money back in nine months, but my view is they should not make any profit from a pandemic, they already make enough profit from their other products.
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  2084.  @ncpublicwatch7816  - If the police were called to calm things down, this video is an example of the police having the opposite effect. There are several problems with what you are saying here. First is the situation that resulted in the protest. This was a sexual harassment situation. The school administration handled this very poorly and quite unfairly, letting the boy off and punishing the girl, hence the protests. This video did not show a confrontation between students groups, not at all what you describe. The students were clearly upset at the officers conduct and the officers were escalating the situation, this much is very apparent. Frankly, the use of force is what is wrong here, there was no deescalation and use of force in this situation with these students is completely uncalled for. If the majority of people killed by police are trying to kill or injure officers, then why is it that no other country has a record of civilians killed by officers that even comes close to the United States? No, the problem is with use of force being the first action used by police, rather than deescalation. With regards to spray, very few people can close their fingers an not have gaps between the fingers. Spray passes between fingers, some of which changes velocity and direction. I do a lot of painting and over spray must be accounted for when masking, because paint will always find its way onto surfaces it was not intended for. You cannot tell me that pepper spray has its own unique behavior that is different from all other spray. You seem to have contradicted yourself, did he deliberately set out to attack the officer or did he react with fight or flight? Either way, these very large and supposedly well trained officers used force on teenagers in an unwarranted and uncalled for fashion, what I observed was violent action from the police. What I have also observed is that in the courtroom, officers are treated as trained observers, which is essentially a license to be dishonest, causing victims of assaults and other crimes to be further victimized by the very establishments which are supposed to protect, serve and provide justice. Just how many victims of police violence have the opportunity to record and document the assault, or have the means to file and sustain lawsuits? The answer is very, very few in relation to the number of incidents. So basically, what you are trying to sell here is a crock of BS, which perhaps explains the lack of respect for authority you were complaining about.
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  2088.  @ncpublicwatch7816  - Oh, my, my. You really think you know what you are talking about. Sadly, you have been made a fool of. You get your news and information from outlets owned by billionaires, where they spoon feed you false information. A profit of 80%. That is what you think is real. In the real world of business, corporate and private business profits are usually less than 10% after expenses. It is very apparent that the organized dumbing down of The United States of America has worked wonders for you, because you believe all the dressed up propaganda they feed you. You know how I can tell? You did not bat an eyelash at the numbers. Trillions, not billions, not millions, but trillions of dollars just flow into the coffers of the wealthy, and you think they earned that money? Here, let me help you out. The Federal Reserve put out quarterly reports, hopefully you are literate enough in math to read charts and graphs. I'll give you the financial assets graph and the real GDP graphs. I asked you a question before and you ignored it, as conservatives often do. So again, how is it Gary, that the wealthy "earned" four out of every five dollars our economy generated this year, without stealing from us? The answer you gave was propaganda bullshit, not a real answer. Do better this time, or all that you have accomplished here is to indicate that the "M" in Gary M, stands for"Moron". FRED-Households and Nonprofit Organizations; Total Financial Assets, Level (TFAABSHNO) | FRED | St. Louis Fed https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TFAABSHNO FRED-Real Gross Domestic Product (GDPC1) | FRED | St. Louis Fed https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
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  2089.  @ncpublicwatch7816  - You see, here is the problem Gary. You have been conditioned to believe things that are not true, and I just spent the last few days setting you up to show exactly that. Your opening statement in your previous comment is proof, there is no way you could make this statement and believe it yourself (" your graphs don't show or prove any of what you claim"), unless you had not bothered to look into what I asked of you. The sad fact is, you did not look into the matter at all, you just wrote what you believe. All the talk about "freeloaders sitting at home collecting welfare, unemployment, foodstamps, etc. While contributing nothing to anyone", that thinking comes from the same place as the idea that in half a year, trillions in asset values were created by profits from businesses. You have been conditioned to believe these things, the wealthy depend on you believing them, so they can continue to loot and pillage our economy and government at will. I've had a lot of experience dealing with people like yourself Gary. I can provide you with all the proof you need to learn what the real facts are, but you will ignore them or claim it proves nothing. Just like that 1999 movie, "The Matrix", you are so enamoured and indeed dependent on the construct of conservative lies you live in, that you will fight to protect the very establishment that has you fooled. I know you did not understand the charts I showed you. It is a sorry state of affairs when a grown man is not capable of understanding simple math. The modern cell phone has a calculator function that easily deals with trillions, if you could read the charts, it would take you less than a half hour to do enough math to have any rational person wondering how these numbers could be true. There is more, the M2 money supply showed more money created in two years than all of our previous history as a country. The Monetary Velocity chart, showing how many times a dollar changes hands in a given amount of time, is the slowest it has been in all of our previous history as a country. If what you wrote was true and profits from business fueled financial asset growth on that chart, then that is a really neat trick when the money created is not making it into the consumers hands for spending on goods. But somehow that money is making its way into asset holdings, funny that, isn't it? Let me connect the dots for you. There is no respect for authority, because the authorities have let down the people over decades by rigging the game so only the wealthy benefit. This is a conservative achievement. It was a conservative who "opened the door to China" the first time (US Secretary of State John Hay). The second time was the 1972 "Visit to China" by Nixon, which opened the door for conservative industrialists to export virtually all of our manufacturing to China and other low labor cost countries. It was a conservative, Reagan, who started busting up the unions which made this country great for the middle class. It was a conservative, (George Bush Sr) who drafted and negotiated NAFTA, which further degraded our industry employment. The kids these days know they will be saddled with debt going to college and most of them can only look forward to menial employment. This situation, which conservatism was intimately involved in creating, is the reason the police run into "volatile situations" at schools and why gangs of "flash mob" thieves are looting stores these days rather than take slave wage jobs. You will deny all of this, to be sure. You are after all, a faithful cog in the conservative grift machine, believing every lie as truth, while they milk the life from your very marrow. Sad really, because with all the effort you put into this "discussion", you showed that you have the potential to break your chains. Meanwhile, like a lot of good people, we who are not believers in the conservative bill of goods, will oppose you and call you out when you repeat lies fed to you by the wealth propaganda machine (Fox News and basically every conservative media venue).
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  2097.  May Day  - I am impressed, and quite honored. You are correct, I probably know less that 1% of of the theoretical knowledge that you have on the theory of socialism/ Marxism/ communism. I am not an academic at all. For lack of a better term, I am a mechanical engineer and not an accredited one, I'm self taught. My qualifications as an economist are as follows, none. What I am qualified to do is analyze systems, design and build machines. For fun, I design and build functional remote control scale models, submarines, boats and aircraft. These recreational projects favor military and science fiction subjects. Scale models demand research and I have completed many different projects successfully. So when I turned my attention toward figuring out why our economy was so strange, it became a research project, just like the initial stages of a scale model project. Keep in mind, at the time this project started, the only thing I really knew about the economy was media reports on the stock market. What I felt about the economy was this, there was something wrong. I did not know what, but I wanted to find out. This project started about five years ago. The first year was spent gathering information and reading histories. The second year was much the same, because there was so much to learn, this was taking up a lot of time. By the third year I was seeing distinct patterns and the structure of the economy was starting to make sense. When I say "make sense", I meant in the manner that a malfunctioning automobile makes sense to a mechanic. While on this journey, I bumped into all the names and "isms" that populate economic jargon and history. I paid attention, but I am not smitten with any particular economic theory or historical figure. I started to understand the system. The system is horribly out of tune, running without logical and necessary regulators. I've seen mechanical system that run this way, on race cars, racing airplanes and racing boats. The power plants are run at full capacity and even though they get stripped down and overhauled regularly, when pushed too hard they blow up. Our economy is going to blow up. No system, whether it be natural or artificial, can grow infinitely. Our economy grows on an exponential curve. Wealth accumulation grows on a steeper exponential curve. Money printing is a vertical line going off the charts in 2020, compared to the decades before this, 2020 stands out as a monument to fiat currency printing. The wealth is not generated by producing anything. The growth is a manipulation which is played like a game. The stunning thing is, with all that money printing, all those trillions are not going anywhere except the stock market, a casino. The velocity of money has dropped to the lowest level in our history, because most ordinary people are tapped out, far into debt with no money to spend. As an engineer, the answer is obvious. The economy is a system, name it whatever you want. I will not allow an engine to rev up RPM's past a certain limit, so I make a mechanical regulator for the carburetor . The economy is the same, it needs an upper limit. I will not allow an engine to drop below a safe idle speed, to keep the engine from shutting itself off while in use. The economy needs the same, a threshold below which people cannot economically pass. The real problem is that unlimited wealth accumulation by individuals has been accepted and enforced for 12,000 years, yet that is the the one feature of the economy that must change. I look at the economy like a huge manifold. The current flow patterns are destructive. The solution is, change the flow pattern to something efficient and sustainable. That last part is a political issue and that is where change goes to die. The wealthy have so much, they want to keep the present system. They bend all of their wealth and assets toward creating narratives, diverting the attention of the public away from charts and dials, all of which are currently flashing disaster alerts.
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  2101. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  2142.  @boggisthecat  - I have not read Chomsky, however I have listened to him speak many times. The greatest influences on my thinking have been Noam Chomsky, Richard Wolff, Chris Hedges, Mark Blythe, Robert Reich, Stephanie Kelton, David Harvey, Ralph Nader, Michael Hudson, Thom Hartmann . . . . There are others but that list is off the top of my head. To your point about beliefs and belief systems. There are simple one-liners that permeate deep seated belief systems. For instance, when you ask a room full of people if they believe in god they will answer with a simple yes or no. For those that say yes, the reasons why they believe in god vary but for the most part it is because that is what their parents believe and it was passed down to them. Once you start digging in with questions, it becomes very apparent that out of the entire room, very few if any go to church and almost none have read the bible. For most people there is no real reason why they believe in god, they just do because that is the accepted mythology passed down through the generations. Same thing with capitalism, when you ask the same room full of people if they believe in capitalism the resounding answer will be yes. When you ask why, most people will respond that capitalism lifts people out of poverty. It does not matter if that answer is true or not to these people, they are just regurgitating the mythology they have been taught. Unfortunately, most belief systems do not rely of facts, they rely on simple truisms whether the truisms be actually true or not. Capitalism has an entire mythos surrounding it like a protective shell, a set of beliefs or assumptions built up over time to preserve the capitalist power. For this very reason, I have been seeking the counter agent to this built up mythos . . . something simple that will act as the tip of the spear in order to pierce the mythos and render it vulnerable to attack. Now I'm going to swing back to my opening statement. No reform can stand over time because accumulated wealth (individual and corporate) will attack, erode and eliminate the reform. To defeat this menace once and for all, there must be a rallying cry which is also a weapon, something that is simple to wield and understand . . . which is also irrefutably true. The way our enemies operate is to dilute, erode and destroy. This is why the many battle banners such as "Fight for $15", "Medicare for All", "Climate Change", "Free College" and "Worker Co-ops" . . . .they are all incredibly vulnerable to attack via dilution, erosion and outright destruction by the powers of capitalism because capitalism wields its wealth mythos like a weapon. We must come up with an equally powerful weapon of our own to defeat the mythos of capitalism, a weapon of propaganda that is simple to understand and wield. In other words, we must create our own belief system based on a simple truth. The simplest truth I have been able to distill from all of my research is that wealth over-accumulation is toxic, just like alcohol is toxic in too large a quantity. Therefor it stands to reason that this simple truth must be the tip of the spear and all other reforms are part of the spear . . . but they must follow the tip. A spear is useless without a sharp tip, so also are these many reforms useless without the tip of the spear which creates the opening to deal the fatal blow to capitalism as we know it.
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  2144. As a Boomer, I have already cast my primary vote for Bernie. Mike Bloomberg, and all oligarchs for that matter, have convinced Boomers (my generation) and those before the Boomers, that is just fine to sacrifice the future of OUR children and grandchildren. Modern capitalism is a con game, as best illustrated by a quote from Michael Hudson's paper titled "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four Thousand Year Overview. Part 2." "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Today, the top 20% have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Using the same 5% interest rate, the interest payment alone on those financial assets would be 13.41% of the 2018 U.S. national economy. Since the economy grew at far less that 13% in 2018, this means that the interest paid to the top 20% was EXTRACTED from all of us. For those interested in Michael Hudson's paper, here is the URL: http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  2152.  @beautifully_scarred_lea  - I'm glad that we are seeing the same thing, even if through different lenses. I am going to make a blunt observation here, about myself. I am a 60 year old white male. For my own reasons, I started an in depth project to study the economy, starting a little over five years ago. This study project started with the U.S. economy, then expanded. What I have learned can be distilled into this very simple formula: we humans still live in a "might makes right" world. Unless we can change that, our species will not last another century. You are completely correct, we are ruled by the few who take everything and give nothing back, making them true pirates. Here is where I differ with you. I believe small government allows these elites to make all the rules we must live by, so I believe we need big government. However, the government we have now is staffed by those hand picked by the elites, for example I give you Joe Biden. The people wanted Bernie Sanders and he was winning, then over the course of a single weekend everything changed as the elites pulled on their puppet strings and pushed the loser Joe Biden into the winners circle. If we are to make a difference and save our own species from extinction, we are going to shove all elites out of power. I am now well versed in economic particulars, so what I can tell you is that unlimited grown happens nowhere in our universe. No tree, no mountain and indeed no star is able to sustain infinite growth. Neither can our machines attain infinite size and growth. Larry Kudlow will tell you that money, wealth and the economy CAN have infinite growth, my reply is "sure it can, until it cannot". The "cannot" part is when it all collapses. This year alone, financial assets gained $14 in value for every $1 in economic growth, setting a new record. Our economy cannot sustain that kind of growth, has not been able to for decades, which means our collapse is coming up soon. The only chance we have, is to take over the government ourselves and use it to regulate morbidly obese wealth out of existence, having the effect of making the elites the same as all of us. A small government cannot do such a task.
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  2163. Tomato Pa - You are making excellent points that I agree with and am loath to tear down. Both selfish and stupid, yes. Temporarily embarrassed millionaires, yes (though I seek to use that as a tool). Blind, fools, idiots, easily-bought, easily manipulated, self-defeating selfish jerks? Yes. To your question, my answer is one word: Fear. The workers are afraid. They have bills to pay and no other source of income. Once again, you make a good point. But why are they so afraid? Can't they just get a better paying job? (I am being rhetorical.) Check out this Bloomberg Economics opinion article dated July 31, 2018:https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-01/too-many-jobs-feel-meaningless-because-they-are About failing gracefully, once again I agree. What you have not explained with sufficient clarity are your opposites to bottom up, for me, the context is missing and is therefore not relevant. Thus in the same manner I believe you are missing something in the idea of a wealth cap that is "bottom up" in the same manner as converting capitalist companies to co-ops. I see both ideas following the same track, in fact the wealth cap is easier to understand for those folk at the beginning of your comment than are the co-ops. Not losing the foundation of the work preceding is absolutely necessary. The words "failing gracefully" are elegant, however their meaning is lost on the selfish and stupid. Yet the selfish and stupid, even with that handicap, do understand exploitation. Using that and assuring them their "temporary embarrassment" opportunity will not be revoked, the power of the selfish and stupid can be harnessed to topple exploitation without destroying the work preceding. I am in agreement with both you and Professor Wolff that co-ops are the natural evolution from capitalist enterprises, however the subject is too deep for most to understand . . . people need a "Pied Piper" to lead them forward. Now I'm back full circle to the wealth cap, something easy to understand. I've written about this in many comment sections now, the number of positive comments and "thumbs up" the idea is getting speaks to the fact that I have hit a nerve. I propose we use that to advantage to advance the conversion from capitalism to the next step. You are quite elegant with your "failing gracefully" definition of bottom up, I propose we try to meld ideas and not use the word "failing".
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  2164. Tomato Pa - No, at first I did not understand and maybe I still do not. As I wrote, the context was missing (at the time). Your bottom up analogy is valid upon examination, like layers of bricks are laid from the bottom up . . . you can stop the work and all the bricks already laid are still in place and you can resume at any time without a loss (like waiting for bad weather to pass). Ok, that is fine. However, as with most of life . . . there is more than one mode operating simultaneously in a diverse environment. Are we getting sidetracked here? After extensive study of my fellow humans, our economy and how we depend on it instead of hunting and foraging, and the real problem that we rarely agree enough to form a decent plan but we can bee bamboozled and stampeded fairly easily . . . it has become really transparently clear to me that a simple plan that achieves multiple target goals is needed. Taken separately, universal health care, living wage, no-cost higher education, promote co-op companies, bring back the unions, stop the wars and reduce the military, etc, etc, etc . . . . produces so much splintering of ideas among progressive minded people that we are not united in cause and get picked off by our enemies. We need one easy to understand cause to rally around that achieves all goals, like one ship that carries the entire crew along with the parrot who may or may not be part of the crew because it flies away from time to time. I've been searching for that for some time, when staring at my papers I realized that all lines intersect here. Concentrated wealth is trouble for everyone, eventually even the wealthy. Solve that problem. It is easy, like laying bricks.
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  2179.  @legendofshaunesquire3014  - You have missed the gist of what I am alarmed about . . . what everyone needs to be alarmed about. The upper echelons of the 1% cannot be allowed to amass a critical mass of wealth, if they do they take over society completely. Even now they have enough wealth to eliminate every reform that Bernie can get into place. Add to the menu the undiluted fact that Moscow Mitch has been packing the Federal courts with anti democracy judges who are in the pocket of the 1%. You say the Democratic party let Bernie down? Well, who in the hell do you think bought out the democratic party in 2016? We all know that happened. You are not telling me anything I don't already know, I'm telling you what you don't know. The problem is that the news media is also bought, so we have to put together the pieces ourselves and I have. The people running our government are bought out. Judges are bought out. The 1% will soon have enough legally obtained wealth to drain the economies of the world completely, all for the power play of bringing back Kings and serfs. This was all planned out five decades ago, read the 1971 Powell Memo if you don't believe me. Compare the checklist of items in that document to the history of the last five decades and you will be scared shitless because it has all come to pass. Unlimited wealth potential is toxic to our survival. If we don't open our eyes and see that the 1% are a direct threat to democracy, we are finished. By that I mean human life is finished, because the sociopath element of the 1% whose greed rules all will never allow climate change to interfere with their power . . . so their power must be removed and that means removing their wealth. We the People are the only ones who can do that, but first we have to grapple with the fact that we are under attack NOW.
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  2180.  @nickmiles644  - Yes Nick, you are correct and I completely agree with you. . . . but what are you missing with that analysis? You made no provision for dealing with our enemies power. You've left the tools to dismantle those reforms in the hands of the very same people who deep-sixed the entire New Deal with the exception of Social Security. It is the billionaires now, who fund the think tanks, which churn out politicians and propaganda whose goal is to privatize Social Security. So why make the same mistake again? We must dismantle the power of the elites by taking their wealth, putting into law a wealth cap that cannot be exceeded by any person or corporation. The upper end of the 1% fear what has to be done, cut their wealth so much they lose their power . . . and that is what we must do, or all is in vain. We must make the elite ordinary, no more than $10 million in accumulated wealth. Make as much as you want, but you gotta spend it as fast as you make it once you approach the wealth cap. That will keep money flowing in the economy, instead of bottled up to be used for wielding power and dismantling reforms we put in place. Ten million dollars is plenty to live an opulent life, NO ONE NEEDS MORE THAN THAT. No one should have more than that. Then nobody can buy politicians or afford lobbyists, everyone gets health care, everyone gets educated, nobody goes bankrupt for either health care or education, housing speculation stops so rents stabilize and anyone can still get rich. If you leave the tools of power (accumulated wealth) in the hands of those elites and corporations, they will undo every reform . . . . and this time around we cannot afford to let that happen. This is not FDR's time, and unlike in FDR's time our very lives depend on dealing the elite social structure a fatal blow. We must take away the power which is used to dismantle reforms and that means taking the elites wealth away and making them ordinary.
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  2181.  @legendofshaunesquire3014  - Perhaps, however the choir is dissonant, chaotic, fractured, without the single unifying theme which would bring on the necessary harmony. That is our peril in this time period of history (the history that may not ever get written). The OP wrote: Bernie: Will totally reform the Dem party. FDR style. What was the one thing FDR never did? Answer: Remove the wealth which is THE TOOL used to dismantle reforms. He could have done that, but he didn't. The elites version of our future is humanity's apocalypse. Nothing we do in the "here and now" will be worth a damn if we do not unify behind dismantling the power that undermines our reforms. NOTHING. Ergo, our priority must change from all of these many and varied reforms to the single goal of removing the power of the elites. How?: Take the wealth of the elites and but everyone under a wealth cap. Lots of details to work out about what happens after, but until we have the needed unifying call to arms, we are all working at cross purposes and our enemy knows how to manipulate us because of our cross purposes. We need to end them, for good this time. Not kill them, just make them ordinary. Then we will be able to roll up our sleeves and really get to work creating OUR future. The entire legal structure that supports the legal right to unlimited wealth came from times before capitalism. When the land enclosures happened in England, when the Lords sealed off the lands, the pheasants tore down the fences and hedges . . . . and they also fought for decades in courts to get their land privileges restored. The pheasants lost and that heralded the birth of capitalism when the desperate peasants started selling their labor. Who were the judges, magistrates and lawyers of those days? They were the cousins and lessor relations to the Lords who were still elites, and the peasants had no educated folk who could argue their case. When the lands of the America's and Australia we opened up, who settled the legal cases which arose when lands were seized from the original inhabitants? It was the legal system of the invaders, which made decisions in favor of the colonists. Well now . . . in this day and age we have thousands of lawyers who come from poor families. We are well educated. We have the resources in numbers and brains to take on 500 years of preferential legal "precedent" . . . . because that is the way power works, through money, lawyers and judges. Accumulated wealth is the one common valve through which all of our problems arise, so it is the easiest possible central theme to unify around . . . . Turn off the valve for everyone and anyone when the accumulated wealth cap is reached. Until we unify around one theme, we are toast. If we don't unify behind one message, Bernie, even if he wins, will be fighting an uphill battle from day one and all of us will lose because of our discordant "choir". We have no more time to squabble.
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  2237. To Mr. Robert Reich, I've watched dozens if not hundreds of your videos and I started my economic learning curve with your videos. However, there is a constant in your videos which constitutes a void in your method and messaging. This void is so large that none of your policy ideas will work until the void is filled. Anyone who has worked with manifold distribution systems knows that if there is a leak or opening in the system, the system will not work for long and whatever the manifold is distributing will leak out. You can add more of, or replace the material the manifold is distributing, but until that opening is sealed or capped, the system will not work properly. In the USA, Japan and Europe, the central banks are once again printing money like mad. The central banks are doing this because of liquidity shortages in the banking system. Well now, it is obvious there is a hole in the money distribution manifold, allowing all the money to flow to a point source, the top 20%, the top 1% and mostly the top 0.1% of the economic distribution manifold. Unless and until there is a hard cap on wealth accumulation, meaning, until the open pipe in the money distribution manifold is sealed, not a single idea you put forth in this video will work. Every reform, no matter how large or small, is rendered inert by the leakage in the money distribution manifold. This idea that we can have some people with UNLIMITED wealth, has got to go. Otherwise no matter what we try, the problems you outlined here will never be solved.
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  2267.  @bradleejones9959  - So you believe that when someone has money, they deserve more free money. They don't have to work for that free money, it just comes to them because they already have money. Sorry Buddy, but that just does not wash anymore. Furthermore, you need to brush up on your history because there was loads of "government intervention" after the 1917 crash (which only lasted eight months). What do you think all of the tariff's and tax cuts were all about? The actions of Harding, Coolidge and Hoover doomed the United States to suffer the worst economic depression in history until now. I don't have a problem when Bill Gates creates Microsoft and makes several million dollars. However, I do have a problem when he puts millions into a so-called "investment" account which pays out an interest rate that is higher than annual economic growth. Nor is it good for the economy for Bill Gates to charge "rent" on every single financial transaction that uses Microsoft software, especially since users have to buy that software in the first place. You don't know very much about the "rentier class" evidently. Here is the description: Rentier capitalism is a term currently used to describe the belief in economic practices of monopolization of access to any kind of property and gaining significant amounts of profit without contribution to society. Your head if filled with the propaganda these oligarchs put out to confuse poor souls like you into defending their thievery. Every year wealth is drained from you, me and every family in the world, just to pay free money to those who already have too much. Times are changing, so if you want to continue this futile defense of the indefensible, just make sure you have some padding so you don't damage yourself while hitting you head against that stone wall.
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  2288.  @michaelcarter7079  - The rich are being punished? You need to read this then, because you have fallen prey to their propaganda. Ok, I just watched this video. First of all, Prager U is a propaganda channel set up by Dennis Prager. While his videos are very appealing to conservatives, they are highly skewed. When I refer to "progressives", I'm not talking about the way households or local governments are run. I'm talking about how the federal government is run and the way the wealthy gain more wealth. We run our household with conservative methodology. Local and state governments must operate using a conservative methodology or they will go broke. That is not the way the federal government or those with excessive wealth operate. There is a distinction and a difference. The federal government creates money and can never go broke. None of our federal tax money is used to run the federal government, all of the federal government operating expenses are covered through congressional appropriations and spending bills signed by the president. Spending bills signed into law are the check, and the U.S. Treasury can always cash the check. The federal government chooses to sell bonds, though there is no requirement for this, it is a safe haven for savings because the federal government can never go broke. Our federal tax money is used to retire older bonds, but the reason the federal debt keeps going up is because taxes have been lowered over the past four decades for the higher income and wealthy citizens, so there is not enough taxes coming in to retire bonds. Of course there are other reasons for the federal debt going up, useless wars, bailing out banks and Wall Street, subsidies to industry, etc. However the main reason we have a federal debt is that the U.S. government is the source of all currency and if that currency is withdrawn by balancing the budget, we would be in perpetual economic depression. Those with excessive wealth (I consider the wealth of Dennis Prager to be on the low end of the excessive wealth scale), use this type of propaganda to advocate for low taxes for the wealthy, by trying to equate themselves with a middle income conservative household. They are nothing like a conservative household. The exponential growth of compounded interest creates wealth by extracting it from the very conservative households this propaganda is appealing to. Look here, there is an example of the accumulation of wealth put forward by a 1700's philosopher that I like to use. The economist Michael Hudson translated his writings into U.S. currency so we could understand it. If you took one U.S. penny at 5% compounded interest, and started it in a savings account at the birth of Jesus Christ, by the year 1750 the value of that initial penny would be over 180 earth size globes of SOLID GOLD. This of course, is completely unsustainable. By issuing this kind of conservative propaganda, the wealthy elites are trying to obscure from us the way they grow their wealth, not from hard work and effort like you, or Elon Musk, but from extracting wealth from all of us, so they can get compounded interest based on their already immense accumulated wealth. The same thing happens when you get 20% of the population who have accumulated wealth 2.5 times our annual GDP, the compounded interest being paid on that accumulated wealth can only be gained by extracting wealth from the bottom 80%, but even then, there is a limit. This is why since late September of 2019, the Federal Reserve has been pumping liquidity into the banking system like mad. The world is running out of money to pay interest to the wealthy. Central banks all over the world are pumping currency into the banking system, and that currency is being borrowed by corporations and the wealthy seeking a greater rate of return in the stock markets. That is the entire reason the stock markets are booming. Being progressive in the modern era means putting a stop to the over-accumulation of wealth, because it is simply unsustainable. It is not about jealousy or envy, those words are propaganda talking points. It is about our very survival as a species, that is what being a "progressive" is all about these days.
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  2294.  @outlaw6429  - The homeless population. I postulate that a majority of the homeless population knows how to get food without stealing. The homeless population has also learned, for the most part, not to steal from each other. They can get clothing and food, even rudimentary shelter. The homeless are easy to identify and they cannot get away, which is why they don't steal that much, and never the expensive or flashy things. What about the people who are not yet homeless, maybe they have a car, a domicile and other resources, yet are too poor to be employed at anything but starvation wages? These people fear becoming homeless and their choices are limited. Perhaps those Nike shoes and big screen TV's would fetch enough to keep them housed and fed, and keep their connections to society. It is that kind of needless desperation that drives most crime. There are still the narcissists and sociopaths that commit crime and thievery for the joy of it, but the vast majority do so because all other opportunity has been cut off. Just in case you have not noticed, costs just to survive are rising past the ability for a great many people to pay. Those cost increases are solely due to the greed of the wealthy. With modern tech, a loaf of bread, a car or even a house should be lower in cost, not going up double digits every year. We are in our sixties and within sight of being homeless ourselves. We will not turn to crime because we are old, too old for that. Yet my younger self would feel our current pressure and not be able to withstand it. I would indeed become desperate enough when younger and under the same circumstances, to consider theft as a viable option in order to stay afloat. Now, at our age, homelessness, living on the street, would be a better option than crime. We know it would also cost us our lives.
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  2297. David Timmer - This why we have to refocus our energy. Our efforts are wasted when we try to do reforms of any kind, because those reforms will always be dismantled. Instead of changing a myriad of different laws trying to combat undue influence, there are only two simple rules that must be placed into law. First in an Annual Income Cap, the second is an Accumulated Wealth Cap. It is vast wealth in the hands of individuals which is the root cause of all our woes and the dysfunction of wealth inequality in our worldwide collective societies. Vast wealth is the toolkit used to dismantle all reforms put into law, and the one glaring example I will put forward is FDR's New Deal. In the decades since the New Deal, the wielders of vast wealth have been dismantling the New Deal piece by piece. Now the New Deal is gone, destroyed. This happens to every law, every reform ever put in place to protect the majority. There is a simple guide as to what the caps should be. By all means, earn your millions until you have enough for you and your family to live in the utmost of luxury for a lifetime. Beyond that point, return everything you earn back to the society that helped you create the wealth in the first place. No one makes millions in a vacuum, everyone who does so has the help of the entire society of human beings . . . every millionaire made is a joint venture with society. I'm 57 years old and my eldest daughter is 30 years old. Between us we have the life experiences of our generations. We did a "thought experiment" to ascertain what the income and wealth limits should be. Her ideas encompassed more than my own, so we generally went with her numbers. I would like to see more of us doing such "thought experiments" so we can come up with a consensus that will make an annual income and accumulated wealth cap palatable to the majority. Do these two things and all dark money political contributions evaporate down to a level where the will of the few no longer dominates the will of the many. We already know excessive wealth beyond what is needed to live a life of utmost luxury is mostly then used to exert power over the powerless.
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  2298. Kyle - How can Bernie win, when the American people let him down? Right now, you have 956 comments. Not a single one of these comments mentions anything important, because the American people have become stupid, can't focus, can't do simple math, therefore the American people force Bernie Sanders to dumb down his messages just so he can communicate with us. What is wrong with you people? Here is the whole problem we have in a nutshell: The 1% are consuming more than the economy can grow, they are our cancer and we ignore the treatment. Can't you people do basic math? We have a $20 trillion national GDP growing at 2.5% per year. The 1% have over $30 trillion in wealth, money demanding interest payments. Last time I checked, the milk toast S&P 500 index funds has averaged 9% since 1994. Even if we use a very nominal 5% interest rate, the 1% is consuming 7.5% of our ENTIRE national GDP. That is $1.5 trillion in free money going to the 1% every year, not including their huge Trump tax cut. Stupid people are forcing Bernie Sanders to talk about raising the minimum wage, free college, Medicare for All and what not . . . . because we are simply incapable of confronting our real issue. Left unchanged and unchallenged, the 1% will consume everything within 15 years. You want to do something about climate change? Well, you can't . . . not unless you deal with the 1% first. There is no system, man made or natural, which does not have limits. Without limits, everything blows up or dies another gruesome way. So why can't people get it through their thick heads that there must be a hard limit to wealth? This is the very definition of stupidity, when we cannot deal with the obvious and this is why Bernie Sanders cannot win.
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  2312. Retalak - What I am interested in is an easy to understand message that is simple and will penetrate the armor capitalism has built around society today. I don't think in any of my comments that I have described what I am advocating as socialism, even though I am firmly of the belief that the ownership of the means of production should reside with the workers involved in such production. Making such sweeping changes over the whole of society will not be easy, but it will be impossible unless we have access to a large enough lever. What we need to start that process towards overall worker owned means of production, is the economic equivalent of an armor piercing round in the political policy arsenal. Whether it be democratic socialism or true socialism itself, the forces arrayed against us preventing change to such an economic system are formidable. The constituency of the USA has been essentially brainwashed over the past 50 years against socialism and communism. Hell, I myself was brainwashed for most of my adult life and I am pushing sixty years old. I've spent the past two years immersed in study on the subject, the average "Joe" will not invest that kind of time and effort. We need an easy to understand policy weapon that most people will have no problem adopting and wielding, we need the thin edge of the wedge which pries open the door to adopting a socially responsible economic system. When a wealth cap in initiated, it will essentially shatter the hold of the capitalist over the means of production. We need something that powerful in our arsenal, because a $15/hour minimum wage, Medi-Care for all, and all of the other tools democratic socialists are currently using are too weak to stand against the "bourgeoisie" over a long enough period of time. A wealth cap will force all large companies and corporations to divest their holdings, no longer will a very small group of individuals be able own and control the means of production. A political weapon powerful enough to crack capitalism's armor, and a weapon simple enough for the masses to grasp and wield politically is what I am seeking. Only then can the beneficial economic policies of true socialism and communism sweep away the remaining remnants of the predatory animal that capitalism has become. An annual income and total wealth cap is that powerful political weapon. BTW - Once again, I was not notified by YouTube of your response even though you made the change I suggested. Glad I was checking in and was able to read your comment response.
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  2355.  @MST3Killa  - Really now, you think my r/c flight experience included blowing things up? Oh no, no, no . . . you do not get to smear my integrity like that and get away with it. When a model maker such as myself builds a scale replica (like the USN-SSN Los Angeles Class Attack submarine on my YouTube channel), it takes a tremendous amount of research and documentation to accomplish that. Think logically man, when one such as myself has such interests, there comes with the territory dozens, if not hundreds of documentaries on land and naval warfare . . . and the effects therein. I am extremely skeptical of the whole situation. It seems very suspicious that there are direct hits producing holes in structures . . . so they have weak missiles with the ability to hit tall, skinny silos . . . amidst a whole bunch of other tall, skinny silos? I'm just not buying this. At the range we are talking, if Iran fired these "missiles", it would be from several hundred miles away with awesome guidance. From a tactical point of view, it makes more sense to send in missiles with 1000 pound warheads that "blow" in the vicinity and use the blast wave to literally cave in many tall, skinny silo towers at once. This looks like artillery damage with very convenient hits, which allow the facility to be repaired in short order. Does not pass my smell test, even the news person from our local station stating that the damage is facing toward the north-east, toward Iran . . . that is awfully convenient to be able to show this off to the media. Use your brain man! This looks like a Saudi setup rather than a bona-fide attack from distance.
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  2369. juniorgod321 - The ignorance you betray is astonishing. You really think it is jealousy? Wow! For a junior god you show a remarkable lack of knowledge. First of all, there is nothing wrong with Bill Gates becoming rich off of Microsoft earnings. None of us "socialists" have a problem with that . . . so get that into your very thick head. What you idiots never take into account is that the majority of Bill Gates's wealth was not generated by Microsoft at all. The wealth generated by his company was taxed at the highest rate, which is good. Since he earned more wealth than he needed to live the most luxurious life imaginable . . . the excess wealth went into investment accounts . . . and that is where the PROBLEM lives. When excess wealth is put into investment accounts, that is no longer "earned income" . . . .it is for all intents and purposed "free money" that is "unearned". That "unearned income" is taxed at a substantially lower rate than earned income. Bill Gates never lifted his pinky finger to earn that "unearned wealth" . . . so why should he get a tax break for that? This is the opposite of what should be happening, if you have so much money that you get "unearned income", then that unearned income needs to be taxed at a much higher rate than earned income that you actually worked for. Then there is this big problem you idiots never acknowledge, the three richest people hold more wealth in the USA than the bottom 50% of wage earners combined. When all that concentrated wealth is held in "investments", it draws more in interest payments that the entire annual GDP growth of the USA. In moron speak, we are paying the wealthy all of our GDP gains . . . . which means there is nothing left over for us workers to offset increasing prices. Do you get it now moron?
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  2385.  @kylewatson5133  - What you are advocating is the effectiveness of the "Lucky Sperm Club", that the person with a defective body or mind should be left to die, while the person born with a silver spoon inheriting a billion dollars is entitled to drain wealth from workers like you, to guarantee their wealth grows without lifting a finger to earn that "free money". What you are leaving out of your assessments is that the vast majority of wealth is not created through "work", instead it is drained from workers to pay ever expanding capital gains to those who are already wealthy. Our GDP is just under $22 trillion for 2019, and over the past 30 years has grown at an average of 2.56% annually. The wealth accumulated by rich people is five times greater than our economy and grows at a minimum of 5% annually, which is why your housing, health care, education, energy, transportation, food, clothing and all other essentials have risen exponentially over the past 30 years but your wages have not. Production of goods and services is more efficient and less costly than they were 30 years ago, so all of the so-called "inflation" in our living costs are due to the increasing demands of "capital gains" for the wealthy on their so-called "investments". The way you see the world, is that all wealth comes from labor. If that were true, then the world would indeed work the way you perceive it. The problem is, the wealthy want you to understand the world though a limited point of view, so they can continue to get free money simply by dint of already having wealth. These people form think tanks and publish reams of propaganda with the intent of controlling how you think, meanwhile ordinary people have no such means to defend themselves from this wealth generated propaganda. Just do the math, $100 trillion at 5% interest is $5 trillion per year. Do you really think our $22 trillion economy can afford to pay out $5 trillion in interest? NO! That is why the wealthy have been bailed out with trillions of our taxpayer money, over three separate "recessions" in twenty years.
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  2389. ​ @bluenami7520  - You have apparently misunderstood. Yes, the wealthy paid their taxes. However, they also used their wealth to bring about changes in the tax law and other laws to benefit themselves at the expense of everyone else. It started with the erosion of trade unions in the the beginning of reform erosion, right after WW2 ended. The Labor Management Relations Act of 1947, better known as the Taft–Hartley Act, is a United States federal law that restricts the activities and power of labor unions. It was enacted by the 80th United States Congress over the veto of President Harry S. Truman, becoming law on June 23, 1947. Both houses of Congress were held by republicans, who as we know represent only the will of the wealthy. Basically, the law said that a worker did not have to pay union dues to get the benefits from union activity. The wealthy knew exactly what they were doing, they knew they paid their workers so little that most would forgo paying union dues to save on expenses, after all, they still got the benefits from union negotiated contracts, so why bother paying? This started weakening and eroding the unions, to the point that Ronald Reagan was just able to fire all the air traffic controllers when their union called a strike over unsafe working conditions. This is long term thinking and planning, something the wealthy are able to afford and pay for, whereas the union workers and organizers were unable to convince their fellow workers to adopt the same long term thinking and planning, because the individual workers only thought about the short term benefits of not paying union dues. This process of the wealthy eroding reform law must be brought to an end. The only way to do that is to remove their wealth and make them as ordinary as the rest of us. What we are talking about here is that the wealthy use their tools, which is to say their wealth, to over ride the votes and intents of the vast majority of our people. We are supposed to be a nation of laws, with one person getting one vote. This cannot happen when the wealthy use their power to over ride our vote.
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  2411.  @roddaman7545  - Well, at least you are approaching this from a rational point of view. There is one major problem with your approach of adjusting the structure, every reform is eventually undermined by special interests (big money). While an approach of rational adjustments to the structure may work in the short term, the long term results will be determined by those who have the tools to dismantle reforms. Look at this from a cosmological point of view. What happens to a star that exceeds a certain threshold of mass? The result is always the same, so much so that it is scientifically predictable. That star becomes a black hole, collapsing in on itself and from that point forward is a singularity that sucks in all surrounding matter. It is the same when fortunes become to large, concentrated wealth sucks in all surrounding wealth to the point where an economy can no longer support their mass and need for growth. Here is a real example. In the USA the 1% have over $30 trillion in accumulated wealth, which is "invested" into the economy to generate a "rate of return". In 2018, the total economic output of the USA was slightly less than $20 trillion and the GDP growth for the year was $560 billion. Apply a nominal 2% "rate of return" to $30 trillion in a $20 trillion annual economy, that interest rate exceeds the GDP growth by $40 billion, so that extra $40 billion must be subtracted from the "principle", extracting more from the economy than the economic growth for the year. Now let us face the real situation. The accumulated wealth of the 1% is placed into many types of investments from long term government bonds paying 2%, to S&P 500 index funds which have paid over 9% since 1994. The aggregate "rate of return" is well over 5% annually, which means that the 1% are cannibalizing our economy in order to generate growth on their principle wealth holdings. This is an inescapable conclusion, hence the need to place a hard cap on accumulated wealth. We have not even touched on asset inflation caused by the 1% purchasing assets when productive means within the economy can no longer provide a ROR, or that financialized capitalism creates GDP growth by extracting wealth from the bottom 90% of the economic spectrum. I look forward to reading your considered opinion if yours differs from my assessment.
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  2415.  @theAppleWizz  - Have you ever done research on compounded interest? Using your reply to me, I think not. Compounded interest on "investments" can never be paid. One of the best examples of the ridiculousness of the compounded interest concept was written a few hundred years ago. It was referenced in the economist Michael Hudson's paper on the topic and reads as follows: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 MILLIONS of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” Bottom line, compounded interest develops so much wealth that it cannot ever be realized. However, the concept of compound interest can be used as propaganda to force indebtedness onto a society while at the same time creating a wistful fantasy that ordinary people can become wealthy. The paper is very long and very illuminating. Yes, I am one of those, I will read long research papers on economic topics. My take on you, Mr. AppleWizz, is that you do not read any economic papers, therefor you know very little and will buy into the rubbish propaganda put out by oligarchs and the think tanks they pay for, meant to confuse you into not looking at the real world. Here, I'll put up the link and make a quite wager with myself that you will never read the paper of even reply to this comment with some semblance of intelligence. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  2423. ​ @jstpsgthru  - In reading through the comments to your original post, I can see that some comments are missing so I am missing information that preceded certain replies. However it was your conclusion in the reply to "Prof E" that really got my attention (the comment you were replying to is not visible to me). Here is what you wrote; "America can use a LOT of improvement, but it is doing "pretty well, considering" any other system. I would bet that you can't prove there is a better system. Go ahead! Try!" It is incredibly difficult to theorize on a better system when most people do not understand the system we really have, even Professor Harvey's diagram left out critical information. We are not in fact "striding along toward a more perfect union", but rather limping badly in the opposite direction toward fragmentation. In the bigger picture, our entire economy sits snugly inside of another structure (like the seed inside of a peach). When describing this picture. I like to use "Real GDP" rather than "GDP" because Real GDP is adjusted for inflation. Currently Real GDP is just over $20 trillion. The growth rate of Real GDP since 1947 is an incline more than a curve (but there is a slight growth curve). Financial assets on the other hand are over five times larger than our Real GDP and those assets are growing at a faster rate (on an exponential growth curve). Financial assets sustain their growth through extraction from the economy. This became clearly unsustainable prior to the 1970's. Now financial assets are sustained through extraction from the economy and extraction from the future (borrowing). Our economy is surrounded by a structure five times the size of the economy and growing faster than the economy (financial assets). That structure survives off of extraction, it produces nothing. This in turn is fracturing our social structures and society itself (rise of homelessness, crime, the inability of government or the Constitution to regulate anything). We cannot gain "a more perfect union" or a better economic system with this huge parasite attached to us. References: Real Gross Domestic Product - https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1 Households and Nonprofit Organizations; Total Financial Assets - https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TFAABSHNO
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  2424.  @jstpsgthru  - I wholeheartedly agree that solutions are possible with our current system, and that starting over is a non starter. The problem we face is not one of appealing to average folks, the explanation you outlined is well known among our population. What is less well known but vitally important is that the system of "financial assets" we have is legal theft from the majority, and has made a small handful of people very powerful. Taxes get undermined by this small group. Laws get undermined by this small group. Reforms are eroded and eliminated by the actions of this small group. Here is the simple truth: all systems have upper and lower limits. Does not matter if the system is natural or artificial. Yet with the economy, we pretend that there are no limits. We make laws and levy taxes, yet we allow a small group of extremely wealthy people use their wealth to undermine what we as society decide. That is what having no upper limits on individual wealth does to a society. Meanwhile we have ever increasing homelessness and crime, as people fall out of the bottom end of the economic spectrum. Housing is considered a "capital asset", thus must increase in price faster than the economy can grow. People need to understand that increases such as housing, health care, child care and education are not due to inflation, but instead tied to the ever increasing pressure to exponentially grow financial assets. Record profits means higher stock prices, and stock prices must be pushed higher and higher every year, which for us means an endless upward spiral of price increases which outpaced our wages decades ago. Appeal is not what we need, we actually need righteous and unfettered anger allowing us to fight back against those who buy our politicians. The $8 billion spent on the 2022 election did not come from the grass roots, we don't have that kind of money, so we must focus our attention on those who are funding the campaigns of our elected officials. I want to see the economic system we have now work properly, once we put a hard cap on individual wealth accumulation and start to phase out all fictitious wealth that is not gained through actual means of production. Also, it would not hurt to but a economic floor under all people. With those three changes, we would soon live in a much more peaceful and prosperous planet, without having to start over.
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  2442. intelmike181 - You Wrote: "Also, what makes you qualified to judge me?" Sonny Boy, what do you think you have been doing? You sit in judgement with your initial comment. What you have described is a predatory system, and you are a guardian of that system. No one cares? Well now, I think you just put your finger on the problem. Coolmodelguy is a fantastic name for someone with my particular skill set and my age (just turned 56). You really need to stop judging people based on a name. I'm one of those who has dropped out of the workforce due to the excessive debt incurred seeking employment over a term of decades. What do you think happens when a worker is let go because the shop cannot survive the payroll? Do you think we just hop into the next job higgily-piggiliy? You are being deliberately obtuse, choosing to guard a system which preys upon workers. Lucky for me, I have a skill set and background that allows me to just barely survive on my own using my own creativity and wit. My profession, if you want to call it that . . . is machinist, draftsman, tool and die maker. That is what blue collar workers trained for back in the late 1970's and early 1980's. However I spent more time during my life as a delivery driver or other part timer work than I spent doing the profession I was trained for . . . due to the inexplicable fact that the jobs I trained for were becoming scarce for reasons I knew not . . . at least back then. Now I know better, thanks to the internet. The corporate media is completely corrupted, you cannot get real facts about the economy or jobs through listening to the news anymore. There is no road map to success. The education system is hopelessly out of date. Additionally, those like yourself who spout the old republican talking points like . . . "Also, you don't Have to work anywhere you don't want to. You also don't have to work for any wage you think is unfair. You only have control over your own path and success. you can bitch or do something about it. Here in the US, you have a better shot to get out of poverty and upward mobility than anywhere else in the world," . . . . are so full of shit I can smell it from here. You simply wish to guard a corrupted capitalist system that happens to work for you.
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  2450. Robert Deskins - In your first sentence you said the "reforms you are proposing wouldn't(sic) really work in any form of capitalism". Well then, I guess I am disagreeing with you on that because I'm proposing a mutant form of capitalism that can work. You are certainly correct that they would not work in the current under-regulated rampant form of predatory capitalism that is currently running amok in our society, yet I believe that capitalism when carefully and fully regulated will work just fine as a component or part of a greater operating system to benefit society. I'm going with this simplified name "The income/wealth cap" for the purposes of our discussion. So what happens when the CEO and Boards of Directors of major corporations (Apple, Microsoft, McDonalds, Disney, G.E., ect.,) are no longer able to pay themselves extravagant sums? In the simplest terms, they start to reinvest the money they would have paid themselves back into their respective companies. Perhaps they could give long suffering employees a raise. In addition, they would also be able to lower the price of goods and services to the consumer. After all, we know that price increases are used in the main to boost profit so they can pocket said profit. With that avenue closed to traffic, they will be forced to use corporate board time to address other concerns besides raising profits. Let us next examine what happens to stocks and dividends. With a wealth cap in place, paying dividends is no longer such a high priority. On the matter of stock buy-backs, which are used to inflate stock prices, this strategy will no longer have the same appeal when CEO's are faced with in income cap. The arena of stocks and dividends will be greatly altered by a income/wealth cap, so much so that the stock market will be forced to reorganize priorities. In addition, the income/wealth cap can start doing what the no longer enforced anti-trust laws were supposed to do . . . break up larger companies into many smaller companies, thus creating greater opportunities for a larger number of well qualified people to succeed. With regards to corporate boards voting to move their companies to different countries to escape the income/wealth cap. As an off-the-cuff reaction I say good! Let them move. Said companies gain so much of their profit by gaining our tax system and we would do better without them. Personally I am sick and tired of Amazon bilking New York for 5 billion dollars to build their HQ2, what happened to paying your own way or going bust? If a company cannot live off what they make doing business, they have no business being in business. Bezos can pay for HQ2 out of pocket and still be the richest man in the world, and 5 billion would pay for a brand new subway system for New York plus house all the homeless in that state. Priorities people, priorities. In all of my 57 years, I have never heard an accounting of what resources we in this country have available and what has been used up. If conservatives were really conservative, this should be a top priority bit of information so that we know what needs to be conserved, what needs to be husbanded as a precious resource, and what we have in abundance. This has a direct bearing on the matter of private property, which I will address as my final point. Every single company uses something that we as a people and a country create, and no one can do business without it. Currency. The USA has sole proprietorship over the manufacture and distribution of the U.S. Dollar, which is in point of fact . . . a social contract. This is where the lines blur between private and public property. No one can claim the US Dollar as their own private property. Nor can anyone claim that the products created by a "private" company are solely the property of that company. Sooner or later, a company has to give up product in exchange for currency, which in turn is exchanged for other products. No private company can become successful without the intervention and cooperation of the society at large, therefore society itself "owns" a substantial piece of every company in existence. It is because of this substantial fact that every court will eventually have to recognize that profits are NOT in fact "private property". Up to a point it is reasonable for a company to keep a portion of profit, after that point the keeping of profit becomes toxic to the society that allowed those profits to form in the first place. Society has a claim on all profits generated that are not required to grow the company and pay its employees. Since the profit is in the form of currency, that currency is not the property of the company but rather the property of the people whose country created the currency. Just look at the profits in US Dollars that Apple is hoarding in overseas bank accounts (Apple has grown so much it cannot grow further and thus hoards capital). Those profits are in excess of what the company requires to operate and by keeping that currency out of circulation, they are hurting their own business and doing harm to the greater society that helped create those profits.
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  2454. vegasflyboy - This why we have to refocus our energy. Our efforts are wasted when we try to do reforms of any kind, because those reforms will always be dismantled. Instead of changing a myriad of different laws trying to combat undue influence, there are only two simple rules that must be placed into law. First in an Annual Income Cap, the second is an Accumulated Wealth Cap. It is vast wealth in the hands of individuals which is the root cause of all our woes and the dysfunction of wealth inequality in our worldwide collective societies. Vast wealth is the toolkit used to dismantle all reforms put into law, and the one glaring example I will put forward is FDR's New Deal. In the decades since the New Deal, the wielders of vast wealth have been dismantling the New Deal piece by piece. Now the New Deal is gone, destroyed. This happens to every law, every reform ever put in place to protect the majority. There is a simple guide as to what the caps should be. By all means, earn your millions until you have enough for you and your family to live in the utmost of luxury for a lifetime. Beyond that point, return everything you earn back to the society that helped you create the wealth in the first place. No one makes millions in a vacuum, everyone who does so has the help of the entire society of human beings . . . every millionaire made is a joint venture with society. I'm 57 years old and my eldest daughter is 30 years old. Between us we have the life experiences of our generations. We did a "thought experiment" to ascertain what the income and wealth limits should be. Her ideas encompassed more than my own, so we generally went with her numbers. I would like to see more of us doing such "thought experiments" so we can come up with a consensus that will make an annual income and accumulated wealth cap palatable to the majority. Do these two things and all dark money political contributions evaporate down to a level where the will of the few no longer dominates the will of the many. We already know excessive wealth beyond what is needed to live a life of utmost luxury is mostly then used to exert power over the powerless.
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  2470. Joseph Inhiding - I have been very interested in your writing, aside from myself it is extremely rare to have someone take the time to write out what they have learned about our economy and other national systems. Personally, I don't think any of what you have written is off topic. Peters original post was about taxes, and Professor Wolff blaming everything on capitalism. Just to let you know, I have copied every post from this comment string. The first reason for archiving the conversation is not about anything Peter has done, but I have had several comment threads deleted by the original authors when intellectual defeat is upon them. Peter has not done this, and I believe he will not do so. The second reason I do this is to document how things are going very wrong, not just in the USA but also globally. Peter represents a typical cross section of the capitalism defenders and he is a particularly egregious example, He does what what abusers do best . . . . gaslighting. *Gaslight: gas·light ˈɡaslīt/ verb gerund or present participle: gaslighting to manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.* During this entire thread of comments he has done the following: unsubstantiated pronouncements, demeaning, undermining, class dividing, victim blaming, obfuscation, minimizing and marginalization. This is classic abuser psychology. Whether it is child abuse, spousal abuse, emotional abuse, physical abuse or economic abuse, the pattern of behavior is the same. This is something I have intimate knowledge of, as the primary force that broke the back of generational emotional and physical abuse in my family. My children did not suffer as myself and my siblings did, I made the effort to change and it worked. The same thing can be done with our economic system, but we have to deal head on with people like Peter. Peter, that Forbes article you posted at the beginning featuring John Stossel was so full of misinformation and propaganda . . . just the kind that a person like you would eat up. If you want to get back onto your starting topic, that bogus example of Reagan's revelation about taxes is a good start. Meanwhile though, capitalism as it stands enables abusers like Peter, tRump, the Koch brothers, and the entire tRumPutin cabinet. All of them are systematic abusers of the highest order. This calls for a system change, just like the psychological evolution our family had to go through to heal from generations of physical and emotional abusiveness.
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  2472. Joseph Inhiding - I have to take exception to your one major exception. You wrote: "But there is one major theme that I take exception with. I don't think it's a conspiracy at all. " The latest in Professor Wolff's videos he talks about the exclusionary language the elites have developed to manipulate the rest of us. Global Capitalism: Trump’s/GOP’s Tax : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRQ0yiIzlVo Furthermore there is Michael Hudson who talks extensively about the language developed by political leaders and the oligarchy specifically to exploit the economic systems. d@w Exclusive: Michael Hudson on Junk Economics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6y35aO_fpU Additionally, I have watched Jordan Peterson. What he has to say dovetails with another of your comments where you wrote: "On top of that there is no moral guide out there that would allow us to live in decency with each other in such an environment. The presenter paints a utopian dream. " If you believe that then you are doing your fellow human beings a grave disservice. I believe you are incorrect, in fact flat out wrong about your assertion. Human being do not want to be treated badly by other human beings. We do not need belief in a god or some other "moral guide" to understand that, it is built into us. The real problem is that as wealth and power is gained, human empathy erodes. That is why people like Peter here buy into what speakers like Jordan Peterson deliver, it allows for the internal moral justification of a corrosive social and economic system. Bottom line is that excessive wealth brings on a mental illness in human beings. That mental illness corrupts the moral compass of human beings, which is demonstrated daily in the headlines. The president is gaslighting Puerto Rico while at the same time willing to spent billions on military occupation of Irac. This is clearly abuse and mental illness caused by excessive exposure to wealth, no empathy for fellow human beings whatsoever.
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  2476. Joseph Inhiding - I've just now noticed your comment ending the the word "Excelsior!" My notifications skipped that one, good thing I read back. If I understand you correctly, you were asking what I thought of Peters remark (I do not see it as a challenge). I think Peter deliberately misunderstands and mis-states many things. We have not gotten anywhere close in this dialog . . . to what I might consider as planning for a future society. The subject of "expansion of the Welfare State" is too easily taken out of context regarding such planning, so I have not made any intentional direct referring to it in this "arena" of discussion. With regard to the "bought into the Wolff marxist propaganda" comment. this is classic gaslighting. I have a firm grip on my mental faculties and I am very familiar with propaganda in the classic sense. To try and undermine my credibility with such statements is a tactic I am unfortunately familiar with. I refer back to my question to Peter: "Why are you here?" With regards to Wolff's presentations being annoying because of the angry demeanor? I'd expect that coming from Peter, he is annoyed at my anger also. Wolff's demeanor accurately reflects how I have felt in the past, more so since I started researching the economy. I am not a professor, but I know how to cross check information. Since I am not doing a dissertation or college paper on the subject, it is easy for some to be dismissive of the source material I remember because I am not archiving it all. What I provided earlier was basic and relatively easily verified. I don't buy Peters argument that because the machines increase worker productivity, the worker has no right to share in the gains. I wrote "share", not "take all" productivity gains. Machines replace workers, what are people supposed to do for money? Peter contradicts himself here, his plan is to force people to work. Doing what exactly? Clearly Peter has no interest in this topic whatsoever, but I want to hear about what the future economy holds for the average person in "Peters World" and in "Joseph's World". It may be in this case that looking forward is far more productive than looking behind.
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  2477. Joseph Inhiding - Now we are getting somewhere. You cannot have a nationalist economy in a global market. There is the essence of the problems with the U.S. economy. You wrote a lot of quotes and your answers. So you are an apologist for the market because it has no conscience? It sounds like you are excusing and enabling really bad behavior. As a parent I do not approve of your co-dependent attitude toward the business community . . . those who should have been loyal to their fellow American citizens instead of solely to their own interests. You are stating opinion that is contrary to everything we are taught about our country K-12. You wrote: "Business is largely indifferent to people, as long as it can get away with it " That is the core of the problem. Business is made up of people. Business is for people and by people. People are at the core of what a business is all about. Therefore it makes no sense whatsoever when "Business is largely indifferent to people,". Business is not an alien entity. Business provides the only means by which modern people live. For the life of me I cannot figure out how people can think that the only thing that matters is business, everything else including human society is an "externality". Business is nullified without human society, human society is nullified without business. That means business by definition, business is entirely about people. It is impossible to operate any longer with the mindset that "Business is largely indifferent to people," Milton Friedman has been proven wrong and it is time to end this destructive experiment. Time to create a better future, for people . . . not just for business. Following this path leads to extinction for humanity, because business does not care what destruction it creates. Damn right I use a lot of words with high emotional content. They are all true and they have a rightful place in discussion. To disallow the justified anger people such as myself feel is just anther gaslighting tactic, designed to marginalize. The anger belongs here, yes . . . even in debate. The place at the table has been earned.
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  2487. Joseph Inhiding - You wrote: "Debating, presenting facts, arguments, opinions, refuting data, disagreeing with conclusions and such like is not gaslighting. " I agree with you on the contents of that statement. If you think those contents are what I was referring to, then you have done a "Peanut" (Jeff Dunham, comedian). Vvvrrroooom . . .! Right over your head. Point of fact, your commentary has been very informative. I knew nothing about Petro-Dollars, that was quite interesting. However nothing being written here is applicable if the goal is to move humanity forward in a sustainable direction economically, which is my agenda. Peters initial comment about taxes being paid in host countries completely misses the target that Professor Wolff's videos are all about, completely irrelevant in fact. I believe my agenda and that of Professor Wolff is on parallel tracks, which is why I watch these videos. I take issue with Peter because he advocates that most of humanity just be murdered by capitalism. If you dispute that, market based capitalism is responsible for more deaths world wide every six years, than the holocaust and Stalin's regime put together. How can this be justified? Yet every business person I know brushes that off as nonsense, seeking to marginalize rather than confront. With regards to planning, neither of you seems to be interested in offering suitable information to debate, considering everything on the merit of whether it would work today. That is so limiting and short sighted. Did you watch "60 Minutes" today on the DEA and the opiod epidemic? The entire topic is about how Congress has sold out to the giant pharmaceutical companies. DEA Agents who had solid cases with excessive evidence were told the evidence was not enough. That is what is happening here in the comments, no amount of evidence is enough and aside from the verbal abuse, that alone is gaslighting. We have established that Peters original post about foreign taxes is irrelevant to this video topic or the spirit of Dr. Wolff's agenda. I don't think you mad Joseph, just unwilling to engage in the project of building a better economy which works for all people of the Earth . . . or even all people of the USA. You seem to be hidebound and for that I can only feel sorrow for what that means to the rest of us. If you want to break out of it, then join me in discussing and planning for the real thing. No more history lessons unless it is applicable to planning the future economy. This corrupted economic system has to be replaced, reforms alone are too little and too late.
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  2488. I can't figure out my fellow Americans, are you too scared, or do you just not care? In 30 years, 10% of Americans will OWN ALL WEALTH. Today Donald Hump proposed rounding up homeless in California and putting them into internment camps costing over $700/day/per individual . . . paid for by the Federal Government. Fox News has been drumming up support for this policy idea all week. For the cost of this "internment" plan, all homeless could easily be housed without losing their freedom. More people are on their way to homelessness and it will include people that used to think it would never happen to them. The 1% in this country have $30 trillion in accumulated wealth they are not spending, at a mere 2% interest it would take all the GDP gains for 2018 plus an additional $40 billion to pay. Yet when I look at S&P500 index funds, they have been paying over 9% since 1994. Look at a more moderate 5% rate of return, that comes out to $1.5 trillion which eats all 2018's GDP gain plus 1/20th of the entire economy. Thom reported on the U.S. Treasury report in August 2019 which spelled out in detail that in 33 years, the top 10% will own ALL wealth in the USA. The bottom 90% are all going to end up in internment camps. So what is wrong with all of YOU, that whenever I bring this topic up of the wealthy eating our economy whole . . . I hear nothing but silence? Are you all too scared to react, to horrified to take serious action, or even to think about what must be done? Is fighting a racist agenda more important to you? These wealthy people don't care at all if you are white, black, brown, yellow or purple. They are distracting us on purpose with everything under the sun, do you simply not care that soon you and your children, your entire families will be homeless or worse . . . in internment camps?
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  2516. This why we have to refocus our energy. Our efforts are wasted when we try to do reforms of any kind, because those reforms will always be dismantled. Instead of changing a myriad of different laws trying to combat undue influence, there are only two simple rules that must be placed into law. First in an Annual Income Cap, the second is an Accumulated Wealth Cap. It is vast wealth in the hands of individuals which is the root cause of all our woes and the dysfunction of wealth inequality in our worldwide collective societies. Vast wealth is the toolkit used to dismantle all reforms put into law, and the one glaring example I will put forward is FDR's New Deal. In the decades since the New Deal, the wielders of vast wealth have been dismantling the New Deal piece by piece. Now the New Deal is gone, destroyed. This happens to every law, every reform ever put in place to protect the majority. There is a simple guide as to what the caps should be. By all means, earn your millions until you have enough for you and your family to live in the utmost of luxury for a lifetime. Beyond that point, return everything you earn back to the society that helped you create the wealth in the first place. No one makes millions in a vacuum, everyone who does so has the help of the entire society of human beings . . . every millionaire made is a joint venture with society. I'm 57 years old and my eldest daughter is 30 years old. Between us we have the life experiences of our generations. We did a "thought experiment" to ascertain what the income and wealth limits should be. Her ideas encompassed more than my own, so we generally went with her numbers. I would like to see more of us doing such "thought experiments" so we can come up with a consensus that will make an annual income and accumulated wealth cap palatable to the majority. Do these two things and all dark money political contributions evaporate down to a level where the will of the few no longer dominates the will of the many. We already know excessive wealth beyond what is needed to live a life of utmost luxury is mostly then used to exert power over the powerless.
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  2518. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  2520. Jeff Betts - There are clues in your comments that like myself of two years ago, your education in economics is founded upon propaganda. You obviously have not read enough of my comments to judge where my "rhetoric" is leading. My "rhetoric" as you called it, is the sum total of a great deal of study of both the economic and political history of the USA over the past 100 years and by default, the study of the effects of unrestrained capitalism all over the world. Jimmy Dore is a comic and gets a great deal wrong along with what he gets correct . . . at least he is open about that and admits it. When you indicated that social equity could lead to socialism and then to totalitarianism . . . that was one glue of many, giving away the propaganda roots fueling your point of view. Anyone who has been propaganda trained automatically links socialism to totalitarianism, which is exactly what the capital hoarders who put out the propaganda want your to believe. Now you are their useful tool. Fight them off, don't let them use you like that. Social equity for human society is an ice-cream-cherry-on-top dream, which will never happen. The only thing proven about capitalism over the past 300 years is that is is only slightly better than the economic systems it replaced, yet the end result is the same. Concentration of wealth and capital to very few. The system is engineered to benefit those with concentrated wealth during both the turbulent ups and downs of the system. If you really want capitalism to survive, there is only one solution . . . cap income and wealth accumulation so that no one is able to gain the system through unfair advantage. Once the capping occurs the benefits will spread out to create a more uniform "social equity". You are correct about the "childish state of affairs in the US.". Those who crave and hoard so much wealth are indeed like children, brutish and cruel children. We don't need such children running our affairs or having such exaggerated control over the politics that govern the economy. A wealth cap will deal with them and redirect their energies toward more useful pursuits.
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  2545. 867 5309 - My Lady is not ready, so I have time now to address your comment. You said that Fox tends to "take a much more fiscally conservative approach on domestic policy". I am not aware that this is the case. Can you cite examples? Fiscal conservatism serves well in households (I adhere to fiscal conservatism to run our household budget), also for local and state governments. However, fiscal conservatism serves little legitimate purpose with regards to the federal government and is not visionary at all (we need visionary in the federal government). Since the USA is the sole proprietor and manufacturer of the U.S. Dollar, the only usefulness for fiscal conservatism is keep an eye on available resources and make sure the manufacture of dollars does not amplify inflation. Meanwhile as per the Constitution, the federal government should concern itself with "the general Welfare" (note the capitalization of Welfare, as stated in the Constitution) of the entire citizenry of the USA and should never write policy into law that is so bent toward the Oligarchy that it creates distress among the population. What I am most concerned with is the federal domestic policy of today and the past four decades. The "hardcore Trotsky/Straussian communists" roots of present day neocons does not concern me, their present day actions concern me. The modern neocon seems to exclusively want to keep the military/industrial economy going for the benefit of those who gain their wealth from it. That is just sick, and since all of their wealth comes directly from the U.S. Treasury, I want to see neocons become extinct. Our military has been used almost exclusively for empire building since the end of World War Two and has directly caused the problems most on the far-right keep griping about. Codependent with the neocons are the wealth hoarding (so-called) conservatives of every stripe, that depend on on interventionism to prop up a collapsing capitalism. When capital has been hoarded to the extent that economic circulation of capital is asphyxiated . . . it seems the only solution policy makers come up with is the looting of additional resources to prop up capitalism (example, squeezing Venezuela). Now, back to California. How exactly is this state being systematically destroyed by democrats? There are many problems here, but republican governors and administrations have only made those problems worse, not better. Can you cite examples? What am I missing here?
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  2567.  Bro Den  - Thanks for the question. I don't want to overwhelm you with details, so I won't be able to exactly define a bunch of issues with just a few words. Therefor I will pick the biggest problem and we can go from there. Subject: Compounded interest. I was taught from a young age to save, and that my nest egg would grow if I kept adding to it and reinvested the interest back into the nest egg. It was wonderful advice, because the interest I "earned" was added to the principle so that last year's interest was earning interest this year. Sound financial advice, I have earned over 5% on my nest egg year over year. My nest egg is held in "financial assets", stocks, bonds and index funds. With these "investments", my money is going out there to make companies more productive and therefor profitable enough to pay me interest and dividends. Ultimately, my interest payments are made from profits and economic growth. Well, that was what I thought for over 40 years. Three years ago I started to research the economy because I wanted to know why my business revenues, which went up every year for ten years, were not buying the same value of goods that I could buy ten years ago. Something was wrong, and I wanted to find out what. The economy furnishes our livelihoods, pays for my business and my investments. So logically, the economy has to grow faster than my business and investments grow in order to be healthy. Now we have to do some math and I will round out the numbers, so either double check my work or take my word for what I'm going to say. The economy in 2019 was about $22 trillion and it grew from 2018 by about $66 billion. That was about 3% growth. I have not been able to track down the grand total of "financial assets" out there, so I'm going to use one segment to demonstrate. "Households and Non-profit organizations" held $90.97 trillion in the 4th quarter of 2019. If we assume those financial assets earned 5% interest and dividends (the range is .75% to 9.75% interest, so 5% is about the average), then the interest paid is $4.55 trillion. Now remember, this is just a fraction of all the financial assets out there. That interest payment to households and non-profit organizations ate all of the 2019 economic growth plus 17.6% of the entire economy. The problem is that the total of "investments" are five to ten times larger than the economy, earn more interest than the growth of the economy, therefor production within the economy cannot keep up with investment growth, so instead companies are forced to raise prices in order to pay shareholders. This is the reason my business actually provides less than it did ten years ago even though my business is twice as large as it was ten years ago. Both my business and the economy are being cannibalized in order to pay investors. This was a shock to me, and here lies the answer to your question. The top 20% of households hold more than 77% of all financial assets. The top 1% own 54% of all financial assets. This means that the wealthiest people are hollowing out our economy and my business, in order to gain "unearned income" to add to the riches they already have but could never spend in 100 lifetimes. Finally, an example that was worked out almost 300 years ago. If you took a penny and put it in savings at 5% compounded interest when Jesus Christ was alive and did not touch the account until the American Revolutionary War, that penny would turn into a greater sum than 150 MILLION earth size balls of solid gold. That dept cannot ever be paid and that wealth would be impossible to collect. This is the madness we are living with and the vast majority of the fault lies with the wealthiest 1%, which includes Dennis Prager of PragerU.
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  2573. ​ @jesha1995  - Where do you think wealth growth comes from? You missed the point entirely. You are supposed to believe that wealth is derived from economic growth, but that is a lie. Financial assets are legal instruments whose sole purpose is to grow wealth. Wealth growth is where all inflation comes from. You are very confused and digging yourself into a deeper hole. Why do you think that American corporations borrowed so much money from the Federal Reserve over the past decade? Those loans were not invested to increase productivity, because there is no profit to be gained when people do not have money to spend on product (product, that is where the "P" in GDP comes from). Instead, the money from these corporate loans were spent to buy back their own stock, thus inflating the asset price of the stock. Additionally, this corporate borrowing caused the currency devaluation due to money printing you wrote of earlier, which in turn causes inflation for ordinary folk. Why do you think there was a interest rate spike in September of 2019 that caused the Fed to multiply their REPO operations on a daily basis every single business day since then? The Federal Reserve is currently the only thing propping up the stock market, which should have crashed last year, due to the extreme burden corporate borrowing has placed on asset prices. Look here, you are woefully under educated. You came in here telling me that the penny invested 2000 years ago would not have generated the sum totally over 150 million earth size globes of solid gold because of inflation. Your statement is incorrect, because for 1700 of those years, there was no inflation. The point that you missed is that compounded interest, which is what investments produce, cannot be sustained by any economy, because compounded wealth grows faster than any economy can sustain. This is what the wealthy do not want you to understand, which is why they lie to you and tell you complicated stories to support their lies. This video is one of those lies. Do more research, then come back and talk to me, otherwise you are just another chicken being raise to slaughter for the benefit of those who do no work yet gain immense fortunes.
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  2584.  @martinkil50  - Your explanation is very good. There is one banking component to which you mentioned in passing, the interest rate on the loans, which I would like to expand upon. When the banks engage in credit creation, the money created is destroyed through repayment of the loan. The interest rate paid by the borrower is separate from the credit creation, which is extracted from existing money in circulation. This in effect, is a tax that does not go back to the government. Part of that interest money and the credit repayment is negated by the then current inflation rate, which why the interest rate is always higher than the inflation rate. Another part of the interest rate is profit for the bank itself, which is extracted out of the then current surplus money circulating in the economy. When a bank lends for the purchase of a home in a growing housing market, it is lending a larger sum for the same property than it would have in years previous. This in turn increases the interest being extracted from the then current money circulating in the economy while at the same time increasing the wealth of the seller. This upward spiral of housing prices supported by the banks willingness to lend, is paid for by extracting wealth from the borrower and from renters not associated with the loan between the bank and the housing buyer. Every time a bank lends an increasing amount to a house buyer, housing renters across the board are forced to pay higher prices for rents without the benefit of greater value going to the renter. This "cause and effect" is part of the methodology of extracting wealth from the majority low income population, which then ends up as a plus entry in the ledgers of the minority higher income populations. The only way this distressing situation can be addressed is to tax higher income populations proportionately, or simply cap the amount of wealth an individual can accumulate.
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  2594. From the 1970's onward, all economic productivity gains have gone to those who already accumulated wealth. This economic problem has a simple origin with wide ranging effects. We keep trying to solve problems created by the effects instead of solving the problem at its source. The 2019 economic year illustrates the origin clearly. The sum of privately held financial assets for 2019 is greater than $90 trillion. The 2019 national output by the productive economy as measured by GDP is about $21.5 trillion. From these two figures we can compare the size of interest earning wealth to the size of the economy, $90 trillion compared to $21.5 trillion. Financial assets gain 5% to 7% annually on average. GDP has grown by 2.56% over the past three decades. From these two figures we can compare the growth rate of wealth to the growth rate of the economy. If we use the smaller figure of 5% growth for financial assets, 2019 generated $4.5 trillion in asset growth. According to The Bureau of Economic Analysis of the United States Department of Commerce, Current-dollar GDP increased 4.1 percent, or $848.8 billion, in 2019 to a level of $21.43 trillion. If only 18.8% of financial asset growth for 2019 was cashed out as capital gains, that would wipe out the entire $848.8 billion GDP growth for the year. This is why we don't have affordable healthcare, education and housing like they did in 1950's, because all economic gains are going to the 1%. The only solution for this mess is to heavily tax capital gains or finally recognize we need to put a hard cap on individual wealth accumulation. Every system has an upper limit. We need to recognize that our economic system breaks down because there is no governor on the upper end performance. Every race car fan knows what happens to high performance engines running at top speed, they burn up. Same thing is happening to our economy.
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  2607.  @rogerrabbit7778  - I agree with what you are saying about infiltrators. What is needed is way to root them out, destroy their camouflage. I think the unlimited money is part of the solution. Unlimited money equals unlimited "free speech", drowning the Free speech" of those without money. That is hardly the path to "liberty and the pursuit of happiness". The problem is, all of that "unlimited money" was procured through a fraud pulled on the American people, and it shows up in government records. Starting in 1947, financial assets (or as I refer to it, "wealth") started out with a larger pool of value than the economy in size, a 2.88 to 1 ratio. Since then, wealth has grown faster than the economy by an average of 0.645% per year. Does not sound like much, but it pulls all the annual economic gains into this "pool" of wealth, and then extract even more from us citizens and the rest of the world. This system is rigged to keep the ruling class on top, has been from before WW2 started. We need to understand this simple fact, the wealthy steal everything from us. Wealth cannot be generated from outside of the economy, yet it has, by borrowing massively from the future. $13 trillion was how much wealth gained last year, that is 66% of our entire GDP. Real wealth cannot grow faster than the economy, and the total sum of wealth cannot exceed the GDP. Anything else is a fraud economy, anything else will create the suffering we now see around us. Every problem we have as a society is a result of this fraudulent wealth grab. To understand this, people must understand some basic math. You cannot have a gargantuan pool of money that does nothing but grow. That is useless and leads to despotism. We've seen it. We are living it. Get people to understand that, and infiltrators will be easy to identify.
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  2613. Terry Michaels - Your comment is absolute proof that you have not done any substantial research into socialism. If you had, t you would not be making such asinine and ignorant comments. How do you feel then about major corporations paying their employees well under a living wage, and then assisting their employees to sign up for food stamps and medicare . . . thus having the federal government subsidize the wages of their employees? The employer then pockets profit derived from the lower wage they pay. Meanwhile, the same corporations pay ZERO federal taxes, which is a giveaway . . . free money. How do you feel about that? Free money from the federal government to corporations is not socialism, because that money does not benefit society except for the bare handful of individuals who end up taking the money. Meanwhile the food stamps and medicare their employees are now enrolled in is socialism, except that it is punitive socialism that still places a burden on society for both the worker and the taxpayer. How do you feel about that? You see, if you had done any substantial research on socialism in the modern age, you would have found that unlike capitalism which is rigid, unchanging and always ends up extracting wealth from the people instead of generating wealth . . . socialism is adaptive. Modern socialism is not a top down government planning of everything like the right wing propaganda is always pushing. That fact alone proves that you are a poser and a liar. You never researched anything about socialism, you just listen to FOX FAKE NEWS propaganda. Get real. Do some actual research that proves you are not a mindless, thoughtless, ignorant idiot who believes propaganda . . . then we will talk.
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  2623. Mike Bloomberg, and all oligarchs for that matter, have convinced Boomers (my generation) and those before the Boomers, that is just fine to sacrifice the future of OUR children and grandchildren. Modern capitalism is a con game, as best illustrated by a quote from Michael Hudson's paper titled "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four Thousand Year Overview. Part 2." "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Today, the top 20% have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Using the same 5% interest rate, the interest payment alone on those financial assets would be 13.41% of the 2018 U.S. national economy. Since the economy grew at far less that 13% in 2018, this means that the interest paid to the top 20% was EXTRACTED from all of us. For those interested in Michael Hudson's paper, here is the URL: http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  2638.  LAST CALL  - Oh. Did you miss the part where the section you linked to applies to "officers or employees of any federal agency"? The House of Representatives is not "officers or employees of any federal agency", it is a branch of the United States Congress which is defined by Article One of the Constitution. The section you referred me to applies to a much lower rank and pay grade. Don't play games with me, you are out of your depth here and grasping at straws. None of the law you linked to applies to Congress, which is spelled out in the document in the video. The section that applies to Congress is distinctly clear. In "closed executive session" of the "Ways and Means of the House of Representatives" or the "Committee on Finance of the Senate" or the "Joint Committee on Taxation", the chairman's of these committee's have the absolute right to view any taxpayers information. Here is the exact wordage: 26 U.S. Code 6103 (f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress (1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Taxation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.
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  2646. Peter Nachtwey - You talk about me lying? 1). "No one forces people to work." That is a lie. 2). "Work is "It is a mutually agreed upon arrangement." That is a lie also. 3). "It is fun making fun of libtards and their inability to think." That is a truth at the beginning of the sentence and . . . you end the sentence with another lie. 4). "They just repeat what others have said." Here Peter, you lie twice . . . first about yourself because this sentence describes you to a "T" and then you lie again by projecting what your actions and beliefs onto others in an attempt to justify yourself. This lie is out of order because it is your favorite lie . . . . so I saved it for last: 5). "There is no stealing." Yes stealing happens when the capitalist who has taken NO risks, steals the collective wealth that society creates. Contrary to what you are always saying Peter, the capitalists have never taken any risks because they have stolen what they have to begin with from the society which created the capital. You think that endless economic growth is fine, but you cannot have endless growth in a closed system. You also think that because bullies seized property by force earlier in our history to become capitalists, that we are going to allow the bullies to keep what they have stolen. You always say that capitalist take the risks and therefore are entitled to all the rewards that follow, that is a child talking . . or more like the school year bully. Only children think they can lie so much with impunity, so this stage in your development is understandable because Peter, you are behaving as just such an adolescent. This is simply human society going through evolutionary puberty, but now the grown ups have started arriving on the scene and will correct the situation you capitalists have allowed to get so far out of control.
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  2676. Tomato Pa - Agreed, especially about the "Thom-Hartmann-New-Deal-FDR-Let's-save-the-good-old-1960's-capitalism-with-a-bunch-of-labor-unions kind of talking". Labor unions are a dying breed and they will not help us exit from the current form of predatory capitalism. I am going to copy and past a response to Retalak which I composed for a different comment,. I would like to hear your take on the subject matter: Retalak - What I am interested in is an easy to understand message that is simple and will penetrate the armor capitalism has built around society today. I don't think in any of my comments that I have described what I am advocating as socialism, even though I am firmly of the belief that the ownership of the means of production should reside with the workers involved in such production. Making such sweeping changes over the whole of society will not be easy, but it will be impossible unless we have access to a large enough lever. What we need to start that process towards overall worker owned means of production, is the economic equivalent of an armor piercing round in the political policy arsenal. Whether it be democratic socialism or true socialism itself, the forces arrayed against us preventing change to such an economic system are formidable. The constituency of the USA has been essentially brainwashed over the past 50 years against socialism and communism. Hell, I myself was brainwashed for most of my adult life and I am pushing sixty years old. I've spent the past two years immersed in study on the subject, the average "Joe" will not invest that kind of time and effort. We need an easy to understand policy weapon that most people will have no problem adopting and wielding, we need the thin edge of the wedge which pries open the door to adopting a socially responsible economic system. When a wealth cap in initiated, it will essentially shatter the hold of the capitalist over the means of production. We need something that powerful in our arsenal, because a $15/hour minimum wage, Medi-Care for all, and all of the other tools democratic socialists are currently using are too weak to stand against the "bourgeoisie" over a long enough period of time. A wealth cap will force all large companies and corporations to divest their holdings, no longer will a very small group of individuals be able own and control the means of production. A political weapon powerful enough to crack capitalism's armor, and a weapon simple enough for the masses to grasp and wield politically is what I am seeking. Only then can the beneficial economic policies of true socialism and communism sweep away the remaining remnants of the predatory animal that capitalism has become. An annual income and total wealth cap is that powerful political weapon.
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  2728.  @paddymcelligott5375  - I agree with you about all the desperately needed reforms you listed and they all need to be fought for. For a moment though, consider the entire battlefield past and present. We have made reforms in the past, all have been eroded by accumulated wealth. Who stands against each item on your list? Legions of lobbyists and lawyers, backed by multiple think tanks, all paid for by accumulated wealth. The wealthy like us fighting diffusely on multitudes of fronts, because they can pay to keep us stalemated. If you are willing to consider fundraising/donation caps, then an individual, and for that matter a corporate wealth cap (since corporations are considered to be "people") is not really a stretch. Think of a wealth cap in terms of a system we all nominally understand, a car engine. The engine reliably delivers what we want from it by operating within a range we understand, it does not quit when idling and will go fast also, but not too fast. We understand that an engine developing too many RPM's will blow itself up. We had that experience with steam engines and boilers blowing up in the beginning of their development, so regulators and governors were developed making that system reliable. Same goes for an economic system. We are running ours expecting unlimited RPM increases every year and we see the negative results piling up. The rules the economy uses are Roman Empire era, which regularly trashes society. If we are ever to overcome this, then we must have a simple universal regulator that starts the process. Solving our problems by fragmented piecemeal approach is exactly what the wealthy want us doing, because they are then firmly in charge. Money equals political power of an unelected, anti-democratic and unaccountable type, we change that by capping off wealth accumulation.
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  2729.  @paddymcelligott5375  - Perhaps there is some kind of structure in those countries which promotes wealth getting along with community. Everything has structure, including destructive forces. Wealth is structured for growth, very focused but also kind of mindless. If there is something stronger that can guide its growth, wealth can be productive and beneficial. I did a bar chart of GDP vs financial assets from 1945 to 2021, both are on an exponential growth curve but the financial assets far outpace GDP. In all of that time, the GDP annual surplus or growth totaled less than $30 trillion, while financial assets gained over $110 trillion. This is where all of our wealth extraction and inflation comes from, wealth growth that rapid creates a vacuum that forces a cost burden increase on all of society. We need a strong government to regulate out life supporting economy, yet ours is saturated on every level with private corporations, each in turn carving off slices of themselves to sell in the equities market (stocks and bonds). Taking back our government means voting for the poorest people with the least campaign funds to represent us. We cannot trust anyone who gets maximum personal donations or PAC money. Getting people to understand why we need to do this means shining a million watt spotlight on the wealth virus eating our economy. Another point, which needs mentioning, is that I don't think we need to change things all that much at first. This is not about changing capitalism into some other type of "ism". What it is about is putting emergency pressure release valves in place, then putting in other needed regulatory devices and fail safes into place so the economy stops spraying precious energy out of the top and bottom ends. As it stands now, every new billionaire is accompanied by over 700 new homeless people, and both of those extremes are a complete waste of our precious resources.
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  2730.  @paddymcelligott5375  - I'm going to put "But how would it work?" aside for a moment to concentrate on your second question; "By what means would you tell someone that money they rightfully earned is no longer theirs?" Your second question really hits close to the bullseye because very, very few people really understand the term "rightfully earned". Rightfully earned is the pay a worker earns for his/her labor. Rightfully earned is the profit from a legitimate business, producing goods and/or services people use and want. Rightfully earned stops right there, a line in the sand. There are a lot more ways to "earn" money once that line in the sand is crossed. One example is a franchise, which projects money earning beyond what one can do with their own labor, or a business full of employees or a partnership. Beyond that point, making money delves into breaking off imaginary pieces of a company and selling them as "shares". When we get into the world of "shares" and "bonds", or as they are colloquially known; "equities", then we are traveling in a realm of "illegitimate earnings". What is rightfully earned follows the up and down cycle of patterns that typifies natural life as we know it. What is illegitimately earned follows the unnatural mathematical construct of "compounding". At the core of our problems in society, is that wealth and debt are compounded, while the productive economy follows an "s" curve as all natural things do. The two systems are mutually incompatible, yet compounding is thrust upon us by policy designed by the wealthy and enacted through our politicians in government. The only way we can overcome this is to remove the artificial and reinstall the natural. By all means, keep what you have rightfully earned (power to the people), but do not allow illegitimate wealth/power to overcome us (take away the political power of wealth). Since we have this entrenched "equities" centered economy, we can't just tear it down and start over. Capping personal wealth (meaning individual and corporate persons) will cause a fountain of wealth to become available for society to use (restoring democracy). We just need to reroute the plumbing.
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  2731.  @paddymcelligott5375  - First fact, no one legitimately "earns" billions. That is impossible. Take Bill Gates for example, he did really well with Microsoft. Then he branched out into stocks and bonds, unearned income that grows exponentially. Then he got into finance, "earning" economic rents from transactions that used his software. His "unearned" income has now far eclipsed his actual "earned" income and is growing exponentially, thus granting Bill Gates enormous power that he was never elected to wield (not just here, but all over the world). Bill Gates legitimately earned a tremendous amount of money. No good comes from giving him the gift of a force multiplier in the form of equities. Same thing with Elon Musk. He did not "earn" the money he bought Twitter with. No one can legitimately earn $44 billion, but they can acquire it with the compounded growth of equities. Equities are a financial construct created by the wealthy to keep power in their own hands and away from everyone else. Give Bill Gates everything he legitimately earned (perhaps as much as $144 million), but don't let him take so much that he gets to make economic decisions for the continent of Africa. The real problem for you and I, is that equities cause inflation. Gas prices are a perfect example. The market capitalization of oil companies rose over 60% in the past two years. To keep that market cap (latest selling price applied to all outstanding shares), the oil companies must raise prices on gasoline enough to generate a profit commensurate with or greater than the previous business quarters. This was happening before the war in Ukraine, but our media and the president are bending over backwards to blame Putin and protect the equity market. If you don't believe me, then do the math for yourself. Compare the growth rate of the real GDP with the growth rate of equities (financial assets). I did the math and it is impossible for the real economy to pay the debts that are fueling the growth of financial assets. Every time financial assets grow, we as individuals and as a society are forced into greater debt, because wealth and debt always grow faster than a real economy. Has been that way since the Roman Empire, which fell because no one controlled the growth of wealth. How we control the growth of wealth is to be determined. I have ideas. Real GDP: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1 Equities growth- Financial Assets: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TFAABSHNO
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  2734.  @paddymcelligott5375  - The language of financial math is mostly lingo or jargon, meant to confuse, fog up, obfuscate. That is why I started looking beyond the noise. The bigger picture has math we can all grasp. The Federal Reserve has the 1947 GDP listed as $259.7 billion, and the Financial Assets for the same year listed as $749.85 billion. The GDP is less than half the size of Financial Assets. So what happens when a 5% growth rate is applied to GDP, and a 6% growth rate is applied to Financial Assets? First of all, it becomes apparent right out of the gate that the economy cannot support the growth rate of financial assets. Spring forward to the present. GDP $21 trillion, Financial Assets $118 trillion. The political power of that kind of wealth cannot be overcome with mechanisms to stop corruption, because corruption is how that kind of wealth came into being. The same dark money that stopped BBB and chose our president for us, will kill any attempts to create such mechanisms. Now we are back to an area of agreement. This is a grass roots problem to solve, by electing "clean" politicians. However, before that can happen, we all must understand what is happening and why. This is not just an "American" problem, it is a human problem. We have always bowed to wealth and power. We may not even get a chance to change, current events could lead to all out nuclear war, spurred on by those with wealth and power. I think our current situation speaks to the dangers of concentrated wealth under control of persons, whether they be flesh and blood, soul less corporations or nations.
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  2735.  @paddymcelligott5375  - Completely agree. For the record, it took me a long time to arrive at my current understanding, and a lot of research. My own movement politically did not start until well after I started researching our economy, research that was motivated by my own business interests. After the 2008-09 era, there were noticeable changes, a drop in sales that just never picked up. There were a lot of grumblings, I worked out of a small industrial park of about 35 units and the only business that recovered was a wrought iron fencing company. Everybody else was working harder than ever but seemed to be slowed by an invisible hand, getting paid was requiring a lot of extra work. I moved my operation 100 miles east to a lower cost facility with low commute time, continued to encounter invisible headwinds. My business relies on discretionary income. I have "adapted" many times over the past 30 years, keeping up with new trends costs money and time. It was only after several years of researching our economy did the bigger picture start to focus. Higher productivity, yet stagnant wages. Housing prices going up, health care going up, shipping and transportation costs going up, shop rentals going up, power bill going up. The funny thing was, I was not getting anything better or fancier for all these cost increases, so I started looking into where the money was going. Now I am 60 years old and getting really sick and tired of fighting financial headwinds. I shrank my operations to cut costs and try to regain profitability, then Covid hit and everything went to hell. Yet, in spite of the fact that everyone I know was suffering severe financial situations, financial assets and house prices kept on growing beyond all proportion to the economy I was observing. My career has been in manufacturing and I see what is going on in my sector for small shops and the big guys are not manufacturing here, so where is all this money coming from (rhetorical)? When I looked at personal and corporate debt levels, they are going through the roof. The Federal Reserve has created more new money in the past two years than in all of its previous history. All this borrowing and money printing is simply pulling future earnings into the present, with the purpose of propping up the stock markets (the playground of the wealthy). When corporations take on this kind of debt, they raise prices on us, and this pattern has been ongoing for over two decades. When we get in this deep, basic reforms become nearly impossible. There won't be any major changes until after the system crashes, everyone is just too entrenched. After the crash, the only thing that will keep the cycle from repeating is major reform. So I ask this simple question: do you trust the wealthy people and corporations with their demonstrated decision making capabilities, on behalf of all of us? I don't. They need to be removed from power, and the only way to effectively do that is to make them as ordinary as the rest of society. Take away their morbid wealth and prevent this type of severe accumulation from happening again.
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  2744.  @mykldean  - The opposition has done a masterful job of obscuring reality. As long as people don't see the cliff they are driving into, they will stay on the gas and plow right into it. This means extinction for humanity, so I agree with everything you wrote. I try to convey a simple message, but I've really drilled into the economy and its complicated. The wealth of the USA is now directly dependent upon extracting everything from the entire population and concentrating it, driven by an irrational political construct. We don't produce anymore, its all about extraction. We did not have a homeless population 40 years ago, and it is going to grow. What changed? The structure of the economy changed, accomplished entirely through politics. We must do it again. Everything is based around the notion of unlimited growth, which has been proven to be irrational. One penny at 5% compounded interest for 1800 years would turn into 150,000,000 earth size globes of solid gold. This has been well known for centuries, however the opposition has an actual plan called "The Powell Memo" of 1971, designed to take over while obscuring what they are doing from the population. It is open knowledge, yet few know of it or even read it. I refer to the mythology built by the opposition as the "Oligarch Propaganda Playbook". The playbook is in action in this very comment thread and is very subtle. To counter such a long running and complex scheme, we need very simple and verifiable truths. That is what I am working on. Everything has limits.
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  2746.  @tidus9942  - Well now, aren't you the fresh young whippersnapper! I'll let you in on a little secret, I've been dollar cost averaging into the market ever since Reagan was president. Grew up in the Silicon Valley before it got that name, listened to Bob Brinker's "Money Talk" radio show on KGO, before the internet was a thing. Being 60 years old now means that I need less risk and volatility, which means I am out of the market completely now. Been dollar cost averaging into crypto for awhile, my portfolio gained 6.25% just this week. You are currently just as arrogant as I was at your age. My children are adults, so I have a great deal of experience handling their arrogance, but they are still wiser than most adults their age. You seem to think there is some kind of fundamental difference between us, and you are correct. I am decades older, seen more, experienced more and researched more. Given this experience and knowledge gap, I understand where you are and I even understand your attitude. There is something I have learned that you have yet to discover, though your arrogance may prevent you from comprehending or even understanding this basic fact. Our economic system was designed without any understanding of limits, meaning planetary limits will be exceeded by our economic system, leading to the extinction of our species. Now you have been railing on about what "the left" understands or does not understand, all the while not understanding much yourself. So let me spell it out for you. In 1772, Richard Price wrote a treatise titled "Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt", with reference to Britain’s war debts. Price suggested rather naively that Britain’s government should try to make use of this exponential principle to pay off the public debt by creating a sinking fund that itself would grow at compound interest. Price promised, the fund would grow large enough to pay off the entire debt. Price wrote the following: "One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Price was very excited by this notion, but the economy of Europe as a whole had only increased by 0.2% annually for the past 500 years and his proposal failed. It failed because the compounded amount in this sinking fund never actually materialized because you cannot make something out of nothing. This point is illustrated by asking this question: Where was the 150 MILLION earth size globes of solid gold supposed to come from? We are facing this situation now. We can keep printing money and shoving it into the stock market, at some point both the money and the stocks will be worthless paper. The only possible way monetary and economic expansion can continue, is if we expand our human footprint into space, mining asteroids, setting up manufacturing on the moon and Mars, then expanding in an ever widening sphere. If we don't do that, then economic expansion becomes impossible and if we expand anyway and exceed our planets capability, we will all die. So stop being such a right wing diva. You don't know as much as your think. Richard Price worked out the math of compounded interest over 250 years ago and mathematicians all the way back to ancient Babylonia have known all about how compounded interest grows faster than any economy. Back in Babylonian times, they had the good sense to reset debt back to zero periodically, usually when the current ruler died. The reset erased both debt and wealth, keeping their culture going for over 1000 years. The Roman Empire decided to ignore the necessity of resets and look what happened to them. We are doing the same thing. What you don't know is that the Chicago Boys (Milton Friedman and his ilk) also knew about the folly of compounded interest, but they wanted power. So they forged ahead with legislation to create the IRA, Roth IRA and 401k, so that they could get the public on board as accomplices to their plan. Little did they know that growth would be so high in just a few decades, as to endanger the entire planet and our very survival as a species. I am not "left" or "right". I am a pragmatist. There are facts we simply cannot ignore. But by all means, carry on, do your part to end our world.
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  2754.  @paulcolburn3855  - First of all, the "Build Back Better" legislation is dead. It will never pass, so your scary H1B Visa bit is a fantasy. I checked on this bit after I read your reply, Senator Haggerty of Tennessee wrote a letter to Senator Sanders about this, but you know what is missing from all the hullabaloo? Which Senator allowed the big tech lobbyists to slip this into the BBB bill? It certainly was not Senator Sanders, and since he is the only progressive senator currently serving, it must have been one of the corporate owned shill senators, and those people do not qualify as "leftists". Corporate owned democrats are virtually the same thing as republicans. Now on to housing. What is the number one reason that people cannot make their mortgage payments, hmmmm? Job loss. When the financial markets crash the economy and millions of jobs just go "poof", how is that the fault of the homeowner? The only people who are safe from the financial sector's misdeeds are those who work in the "wealth defense industry", or the top 10% of income earners. The rest of us are at the mercy of employers, who don't give a shit if you lose your home as long as they make a profit. Now it is time for you to be accountable. I did the research and the math. We have a rigged economy, a spiraling tunnel from which there is no escape. Now I am sorry if this is too much reading or thinking for you, but I am going to give you straight facts and I'll even provide the research material so you can check the math for yourself. This country is in a financial vise, and we were put there by wealth seekers and those who feel they have right to rule, democracy be damned. I was asked two simple questions, and I answered with irrefutable facts. Lets see if you can grasp this, because if you cannot or you just blow it off, then you are willing to just flush our country down the toilet. Ahh, you are so funny, and yet you asked the proper questions at last. "Why do you care if someone is rich or not? How does their wealth effect your life?" The answer to the first question is, on its face, I don't really care. The rich buy some cool stuff and I like seeing videos of that. Now the second question cannot be answered properly without the first question for context, so I appreciate them both. Their wealth affects my life and yours, all of our lives, because at some point the rich decided they needed more than a productive economy could offer. It was easy for them to break free of the productive economy, because the rich employ logic puzzles in business and the workers simply do not use logic puzzles in their everyday life and most just want to do a days work for a days pay and then go home. So here is what the rich did, demonstrated with a logic puzzle. Puzzle: Starting in the 1960's the rich gave everyone, including themselves, one dollar. Not a dollar to spend, but a dollar to invest. This dollar represents the economic well being of every person in the country. There were rules to the investment. For the rich and those who would become rich, the dollar earned 9% annually, 6% of which came from the economy and 3% of which came from everyone else's dollar. Everyone would know about the 6%, but only the rich would know about the extra 3% and where it came from. Everyone who was not to be rich would earn 2.6% annually on their dollar. Now you are probably thinking this is all garbage. That is what people usually think about logic puzzles. The rich count on that, they like you ignorant. Here is what happened when the rich enacted their plan based on this logic puzzle: The economy: 1965-4th Quarter GDP = $4.304 trillion. 2020-4th Quarter GDP = $18.767 trillion. Up by 336%. The growth of wealth: 1965-4th Quarter Privately held Financial assets = $2.224 trillion. 2020-4th Quarter Privately held Financial assets = $104.517 trillion. Up by 4599.5% Financial capitalism is fake capitalism, designed to extract all wealth unto itself. The gain between Q4 of 1998 and Q4 1999 was 9.48%, or $3.276 trillion. The GDP during that period gained $594 billion or 4.6%. Now 4.6% is really good compared to the last twenty years, but it was not enough to pay for the over $3 trillion in "financial" asset growth. At this point in time, the growth in financial assets had long surpassed the ability of the economy to support them. That is why our economy was gutted of anything valuable, mainly our industry. The USA became a nation of debt, in order to pay for wealthy and their "F" asset growth. Wages cannot keep up with rising house prices, because homes are not a necessity for living, they are a "capital asset", and that makes loads of money for the wealthy. So far this year, the growth of financial assets is equal to 49% of our GDP. Back in Q4 of 1999, the growth of financial assets were equal to 25.41% of our GDP. Do you see where this is going yet? I puzzled this out myself, having some decent skill in logic puzzles and a good mind for research. Not the kind of thing your average work-a-day person does. The way the economy is set up, where wealth earns more than the economy can produce, this was not an accident or natural order. It was designed this way by the wealthy and our politicians made it happen. Everything else you hear is just noise. FRED-Households and Nonprofit Organizations; Total Financial Assets, Level (TFAABSHNO) | FRED | St. Louis Fed https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TFAABSHNO FRED-Real Gross Domestic Product (GDPC1) | FRED | St. Louis Fed https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1
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  2768.  @ryanarchuleta3754  - Limited government is exactly the tool used by the billionaires to loot our economy. You have no idea really what you are talking about, you have been corrupted by the billionaire propaganda playbook. We need big government to keep thses bastards in check, and taxing them to death is the least we should do. Let me spell it out for you: According to The Federal Reserve statistics released in August of 2019, the top 10% will hold 100% of the wealth within 33 years. This was the goal of so-called "Reaganomics", when the entire way our economy was run was changed. You can see it right now, the bottom 50% has lost $900 billion in wealth over the past 30 years, while the top 1% has increased their wealth by $21 trillion (which very coincidentally, matches our federal deficit in scale and timing). No one seems to note one particular fact, that the 1% has over $30 trillion in accumulated wealth (some reports say $34 trillion, but lets be conservative and use $30 trillion in our little math problem). They don't need most of that to live on, so they "invest" most of it to get a rate of return. So, $30 trillion at 5% interest gets $1.5 trillion as its rate of return. Now consider that the USA has an annual economy (GDP) of just under $20 trillion per year. GDP growth for 2018 was $560 billion, far short of the amount of interest (free money) that the 1% is getting on their "investment". So lets do the math. $1.5 trillion minus $560 billion equals $940 billion. The 1% consumed all of 2018's economic growth . . . . plus they consumed almost 1/20th of the total U.S. economy in 2018 . . . . just to satisfy their need for "growth". The bite out of 2019 will be greater, all of the economic growth plus up to 7.5% of the economic output will go to the 1%. Every year after that the bite will be bigger and bigger. This is more than just legitimately earning your money, this is about the cannibalization of our entire country.
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  2778. technatezin - I agree with your last statement. There is the problem however, in that a significant part of the population consists of these insane and irrational people and they have to be dealt with somehow. My consideration is that forced limits will have to be placed on their behavior at some point, simply because their world view has already proven hostile and harmful the the rest of humanity. Only true force of political will backed up by true force of law can accomplish this. The insane and irrational have no problem whatsoever using such tactics to enforce their beliefs, we also must employ strength doctrines to save humanity and life on this planet. We can start by limiting income and limiting wealth accumulation. By all means work as hard as you wish, but beyond a set threshold, all your additional income returns to society. For those who don't want to continue working when that threshold is reached, great . . . stop working. The threshold will be high enough so that is an affordable option. For those who are inspired to work beyond that threshold, more power to you! Those folk will be the ones exploring the oceans, doing science and seeking to make things better for humanity as a whole. The funding for their work will come from all the surplus society generates beyond the wealth limiting threshold. People will work because they want to, not because they are being compelled to. Since wealth accumulation beyond the threshold will be impossible, greed is removed from the economy. To get there, we have to be willing to enforce our will upon society. These insane and irrational people will not respond to anything else except force, and if we leave their wealth intact they will immediately set out to dismantle whatever "reforms" to the laws we might make. Their wealth is their weapon, do you defeat an army and then not disarm the defeated army? We have to come to grips with this reality.
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  2783.  @dinard38  - Most of what you wrote, I am in agreement with . . . especially your second paragraph. The problem I have is with your first and third paragraphs. I have been voting for nearly forty years. The arc of my political alignment is this: Republican for the first four years (I was impressed by Reagan), Independent from 1992 to 2016, Democrat from 2016 to present. After the 2016 election, I took on a self-motivated research project into our economy. There were a mix of mystifying facts and beliefs regarding the economy I wanted clarity about. Turns out both the facts and the beliefs were false. There is a mythological propaganda narrative embroidered into Americans view the economy and it is conjoined with our politics. Biden, Harris, Booker, Buttigieg and several others are firmly in the American mythology camp. We cannot win anything if one of those candidates gets the nomination. I am now in a strange position since I have uncovered the ugly truth behind the American economic and political mythology. On the right hand is Trump, we don't want him. Three fingers and the thumb of the left hand will deliver us another Trump like figure in a future election. I will vote for the finger on the left hand which actually changes our future prospects, and if I cannot do that because the nomination goes to water carriers for the American mythology . . . should I just turn a blind eye toward the truth of our situation for the short term gain of getting rid of Trump? What good does that do? The answer is that we will be worse off with a democrat who is aligned with the current American myth than we would be with Trump for another term as president. He cannot work with anyone, which means nothing will get done . . . Trump is actually the lessor of two evils here. The core of the American myth is that we are a democracy and that we are exceptional. Neither is true. We are a hairs breath away from losing what little democracy we have and Trump is a symptom of this problem . . . not the cause. The real issue is that all of us are slaves, shackled to an economy where we spend most of our adult lives and we have no democratic input into what happens to the wealth we create. Until that singular fact is changed, we stay slaves. I will no longer support any candidate that supports the status-quo. If we are going to have change for the better, we have to make it happen. Half measures and platitudes are no longer a currency that I will spend, we either vote in change or we sink with the ship. Your choice.
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  2799.  @sylviam6535  - I could converse extensively on brain brain drain flows, intellectual property rights and what exactly the United States has been the beneficiary of. Mostly that would use up a lot of words and time. To be very succinct, I was politically conservative for the majority of my life, then I started to sit on the fence when too much started making no sense. Eventually I reached the core, after peeling away layers of mythology and obfuscation. After all the political BS is peeled away, the stark issue is that the economy is supposed to be the power generator that creates wealth. Oh, you can find wealth on the ground if you are lucky enough, but it takes an economy to convert what you find into useful exchange value. What we have for an economy however, is a mathematical impossibility yet we pretend that it is real (and we humans have done this dance many times throughout history). If we begin after World War 2 with two pools, one of wealth and the other of the economy, the pool of wealth started out over 2.5 times the size of the pool of the economy . . . . . and has grown at a faster pace than the economy. Such a thing is supposed to be impossible. This cannot happen with any other system I have studied. I am a mechanical engineer, conversed with knowledge of may types of mechanical systems. I also have an interest in cosmology, stars are natural systems. There is not a single system in existence, natural or artificial, that operates without limits. Yet we have bought into a myth that the economy and money do operate in a system without limits. Such belief in a blatantly erroneous operating system for an economy we all depend on, is pure lunacy. The results are growing crime, growing homelessness, increased gun killings and most of the rest of society's ills. All so that a few sociopaths can claim they "earned" billions (physically impossible) and the right to make decisions for all of mankind.
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  2801. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  2828.  @Dennis-nc3vw  - Reagan's tax cuts and the subsequent explosion of 1% wealth have nothing to do with work or employment and everything to do with rate of return on existing capital. The 1% get very little of their wealth through actual employment or labor, they get their money through capital gains . . . which in turn are taxed at 1/3 less than earned income. Good old boy Ronald Reagan should have accepted the leisure time his movie star income generated and spent more time on his ranch instead of complaining that taxes limited his ability to get more than his already substantial income. Besides, no one actually paid 90%, the effective tax rate was more like 50% and the country was healthier because those with capital reinvested in their companies and earned substantial tax deductions for doing so. That era ended with the suspension of the Bretton Woods Agreement, the removal of the U.S. Dollar from the gold standard and the beginning of international labor exploitation. With regards to the growing size of housing square footage, that is all part of the real estate scam which has been perpetrated since the 1970's, convincing Americans that the path to prosperity was through real estate. This was the beginning of the "wealth extraction from the middle class" era. With stagnating wages starting in the USA, the 1% started to promote real estate and debt as the main tool for extracting the "undeserved and excessive wealth" gained by the middle classes from 1945 to 1970. The con involves banks and housing developers who are both pushing up the price of housing, something which cannot be accomplished if a greater quantity of smaller housing is built for the purpose of housing the nations population. This is in part why we have such a problem with homelessness today. Where are you getting your information from? I ask because what you are writing here is highly skewed with oligarch propaganda talking points. You Sir, are a foot soldier engaged in an loose order that we call "guardians of the system", propagandized citizens who defend the oligarchy by believing and regurgitating propaganda specifically designed to keep the oligarchs in control. People like you exist in an information bubble, which means that those of us who have researched why the system fails most of us so badly . . . cannot take you seriously and are able to deconstruct your talking points quite easily.
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  2830. I can't figure out my fellow Americans, are you too scared, or do you just not care? In 30 years, 10% of Americans will OWN ALL WEALTH. Today Donald Hump proposed rounding up homeless in California and putting them into internment camps costing over $700/day/per individual . . . paid for by the Federal Government. Fox News has been drumming up support for this policy idea all week. For the cost of this "internment" plan, all homeless could easily be housed without losing their freedom. More people are on their way to homelessness and it will include people that used to think it would never happen to them. The 1% in this country have $30 trillion in accumulated wealth they are not spending, at a mere 2% interest it would take all the GDP gains for 2018 plus an additional $40 billion to pay. Yet when I look at S&P500 index funds, they have been paying over 9% since 1994. Look at a more moderate 5% rate of return, that comes out to $1.5 trillion which eats all 2018's GDP gain plus 1/20th of the entire economy. Thom reported on the U.S. Treasury report in August 2019 which spelled out in detail that in 33 years, the top 10% will own ALL wealth in the USA. The bottom 90% are all going to end up in internment camps. So what is wrong with all of YOU, that whenever I bring this topic up of the wealthy eating our economy whole . . . I hear nothing but silence? Are you all too scared to react, to horrified to take serious action, or even to think about what must be done? Is fighting a racist agenda more important to you? These wealthy people don't care at all if you are white, black, brown, yellow or purple. They are distracting us on purpose with everything under the sun, do you simply not care that soon you and your children, your entire families will be homeless or worse . . . in internment camps?
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  2838.  @jgalt308  - Whoa Howdy. Just hold your horses there. What I am working on is an over simplified message, something easy to grasp and easy to check or confirm. The goal is to get people engaged enough to understand how this "economic system" will never work for them or anyone who is not already wealthy. You may want to pick on Professor Wolff and his cherry picked topics, personally I wish that he would broaden his lessons beyond worker co-ops, because that will never work until the economic structure itself is modified. That modification of the economic structure cannot take place until the financial elites are dealt with, which involves changing the financial plumbing significantly and as a major step would require a personal wealth cap (confiscation of wealth beyond some set limit). However, most people are not engaged enough or simply don't know enough about economics to see that having an open ended system (capitalism without regulation) is repeatedly causing wealth flows to choke at the lower levels and is unduly rigged to concentrate vast volumes of wealth flows to the extreme upper levels. What you have written in your replies, is what I call an "attitude issue" with my over simplified comment subject. Of course there is much left out, if I tried to include every factor I know about, no one would read the damned comment! We are, you and I, fighting the same war on the same side. There won't be any winning unless people understand what the problem is at a gut level, not so much an intellectual level. Only then can political potential be properly focused. The wealthy specialize in diffusion, that is why they pump out so much propaganda. Our message must be refined and simple if it is to be effective. If you want to be effective as a communicator as I strive to be, you need to stop picking on your allies.
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  2841. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  2850.  @TheBigGSN5  - Pete is a corporate tool, bought out by the likes of Bloomberg. Mike Bloomberg, and all oligarchs for that matter, have convinced Boomers (my generation) and those before the Boomers, that is just fine to sacrifice the future of OUR children and grandchildren. Modern capitalism is a con game, as best illustrated by a quote from Michael Hudson's paper titled "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four Thousand Year Overview. Part 2." "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold." Today, the top 20% have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Using the same 5% interest rate, the interest payment alone on those financial assets would be 13.41% of the 2018 U.S. national economy. Since the economy grew at far less that 13% in 2018, this means that the interest paid to the top 20% was EXTRACTED from all of us. For those interested in Michael Hudson's paper, here is the URL: http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  2892. Benny Hill, funny. I get it, but I am 56 years old and use to watch the old Benny Hill Show on late night Saturdays. The chase music was hilarious. Seriously, we are kinda screwed. I took the time last year to look into the mess we are in. What it distilled down to is this: decades ago our national economy was abandoned by our own industrialists, in collusion with our politicians. You can't tell the people outright you are going to abandon American workers, so illegal workers are encouraged to migrate and undermine American labor . . . which also provides a very handy political scapegoat later on. Worker ire is focused on the illegal immigrant, meanwhile our noble market oriented banking corporations introduced mass credit to ease our suffering and preserve the illusion of keeping up with the Jones. Now our own citizen corporations have "gone global", playing havoc with the tax base here while raking in record profits. American worker and family wealth starts to be drained. This "rigged" election system is essential to the wealthy interests, and it also distracts us from what they are doing to us. Those statistics that say household median income has grown, yes it has grown but a closer look at why it has grown exposes a horror story. Multiple incomes per household, and what those incomes can buy is less than half what the same would buy three decades ago. Our wealth and earnings are being drained by economic vampires . . . the worst part is that all the republicans and a majority of democrats (corporate democrats) are actively assisting the vampires. We have been trained not to see what is going on, even though we can all feel it happening. Democrats as they are now will never have a coherent robust policy platform, because they have been bought out by wealthy interests. They are resisting the progressive element of their own party, they must because corporate campaign donors are staunch anti-progressive. The two factions are moving at light speed toward irreconcilable differences. The legal term for that phenomenon is: Divorce. No one wins in a divorce, but something has to give. The corporations are bleeding us dry and moving on to exploit other parts of the world, but their feeding tendrils run deep in the USA and they will not let go without a serious fight. We either have to get serious and fight this monster . . . or we have to figure out what to do with the husk and crumbs they leave behind when we are eventually useless to them, because there is no longer anything of economic wealth remaining to extract.
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  2895. Using 2018 data, the top 20% in the USA have over $55 trillion in financial assets. Financial assets pay interest ranging from 2% to over 9% depending on what they are. So lets use an average of 5% to do these calculations. At 5% interest, $55 trillion in financial assets will yield $2.75 trillion. The national GDP for 2018 was $20.5 trillion. The GDP growth for 2018 was 2.9%, so with $20.5 trillion the growth in 2018 came out to $595 billion. Just to make the math easy, let just round the GDP growth up to $600 billion. The interest earned on the financial assets of the top 20% swamped GDP growth, ate that growth for a snack. After eating all the GDP growth for 2018, where did the remaining $2.15 trillion in interest come from, if not directly out of GDP? The $2.75 trillion in interest represents 13.41% of the entire economy, please tell me how this interest was paid if not by extracting wealth from the bottom 80%. Since banking and finance are now included in GDP numbers, along with health care and housing, it looks to me like the top 20% made their interest by raising the cost of health care, increasing the cost of housing, bank fees and penalties, plus whatever shenanigans the financial sector is up to. Am I wrong? If so, then please explain where the interest money comes from if not directly from the GDP. There is no gains in the productive economy, all the gains were made by extracting wealth from average American workers. Most jobs these days are low pay, no benefits, with contract work supplanting salaried and hourly wage jobs. Furthermore, on a global scale, the top 1% is now holding 54% of all wealth, and the top 20% globally is holding 94.5% of all wealth. There is no more room to grow wealth for the top 20% globally and the economy is stagnating because the bottom 80% lack purchasing power.
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  2903. Peter Edwards - No, it is not Noam who makes my skin crawl, not even a little bit. Listening to people who have traveled to Cuba, they remark about how everyone . . . even the homeless, have great teeth. You see, Cuba learned a long time ago to take care of their people and do preventive medical and dental for everyone. Not only is the population healthy, but the system is cost effective. Far from starving, the people are fairly happy even though they do not have what we have here in the USA. I have also seen first hand reporting from Venezuela, the crisis there is contrived because there is no scarcity of goods except that which is artificially manufactured. Goods in short supply in one neighborhood are in plentiful supply across town. The country is also overwhelmingly capitalist, not socialist except for a few national dividend policies which have long since ended. You may think that the USA is a wonderful place, full of innovation and hard workers. Sure, you are correct . . . but it is also a place where there are 800,000 medical bankruptcies every year, tearing peoples lives apart. It is a place where the republicans tell you that Medicare for All will cost taxpayers 32 trillion over ten years, but neglect to tell you that Americans will pay 34 trillion over ten years for our existing partial coverage system. Lies built upon lies. It is the lies we are told about ourselves which makes my skin crawl and the crawl gets worse when the lies about U.S. foreign policy told by John Bolton are accounted for.
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  2906.  @lackadaisicale492  - Ok, reasonable enough. Lets hit on the basics. A household runs on a finite budget. So do all local and state governments. However, things are different with the federal government. It is a fact that the federal government spends all U.S.dollars into existence and must leave those dollars in the economy for us to spend. The only reason the federal government needs to tax money back to itself it to moderate inflation. So the federal government with its sole proprietorship over the manufacture of its fiat currency, does not need our taxes in order to operate. All U.S. dollars currently in existence, were put there by the U.S. government. The wealthy cannot just pick up themselves and their hoarded dollars and move someplace else, so that idea is pure fantasy. If the wealthy want to keep their wealth and move someplace else, they must transfer out of dollars into another currency or into other tangible assets. If they ever want to buy anything, they need liquidity and right now the U.S. dollar is the worlds reserve currency, hence the reason the wealthy won't be leaving anytime soon. The real problem we have is not taxation, it is the hoarding of dollars in international investment portfolios. Right now in only a single arena, 17 separate international investment firms hold $50 trillion seeking a rate of return. Even at 5% rate of return, that far exceeds the annual GDP of the USA. It will only take 14.4 years for that money to double at 5% interest, that ball of money will be $100 trillion in less than 15 years. Fifteen years after that, it will be $200 trillion and fifteen years after that it will be $400 trillion. There is no way that kind of obligation can be met without looting the treasuries of many countries (origin of regime change politics) and extracting all the wealth from the bottom 80% of people world wide. This will cause wars and China will certainly not stand for the U.S. sticking a straw into their economy to suck them dry. The real problem is not how much taxes the wealthy pay, the real problem is how much "unearned" capital are we going to allow them to extract from us . . . just to pay a rate of return on their hoarded wealth? Also consider, hoarded wealth is not circulating into the economy, it is like a river that is dammed . . . the flow of currency among the population is severely curtailed when wealth is hoarded. Unless the wealthy are taxed at 90% or greater, or a cap on accumulated wealth is put into place, the USA will be stuck printing more and more money which will never even get into the economy at all . . . which is a total perversion of the federal treasury to serve the 1% alone. That is our real problem, The perversion of our tax code to serve the wealthy and corporations alone. So when you recite the numbers you started off with that the wealthy pay 80% of taxes, that is pure propaganda designed by the oligarchs to enlist you into defending them and their perverted goals.
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  2915. @Dave C - Thanks for the question. Of course we have to acknowledge that a hard wealth cap has never been applied to capitalism, so we are talking about theory. The part that is not theory is that money is both the power source and the lubricant in every modern economy. First we have to look at how the results of economic output are distributed and how that affects overall economic output itself. I'm sure most people know what a water tower is. We have several in our small city. Big tank of water sitting high up in the air with a couple of pipes going from the ground to the tank. One pipe is water being pumped into the holding tank. When that tank is full, it represents our annual GDP. The other pipe is connected to all the surrounding houses and businesses. When the system is operating properly, we all have good water pressure. What happens when there is a break in the main distribution pipe? The water pressure in the surrounding area goes down and everyone gets less water. Using that analogy, convert water into money. We have a big hole in the main distribution pipe which distributes the gains from economic output. The difference here is that unlike the water main break, this was no accident. The main distribution pipeline for our economic output has been tapped and diverted, filling up a huge swimming pool of money for those who tapped into the pipe (the 1%, CEO's executives on corporate boards of directors, etc). The result is there is less money to go around for everyone else. So now lets say we dispatched a economic pipeline repair crew and they found the tapped line. Do you think we should just leave it alone, they asked themselves? Naw, lets hack off that tap line and repair the pipe, restoring normal flow to everyone. The repair is a hard wealth cap. What I am talking about is capping the amount of money anyone can capture and store as wealth. If Jamie Dimon got paid $250,000 per year instead of $18 million, there would be over $17 million per year that J.P. Morgan/Chase could use within the company. Since these high paid CEO's currently employ an army of accountants and tax experts to avoid paying taxes, a wealth cap would eliminate the need for such shenanigans and taxes would normalize somewhat over all personal income tax brackets. Now I'm not saying that a hard wealth cap alone would solve all problems. We need to change our tax structure so that companies are forced to keep their capital inside the USA and not be able to use tax haven countries to hide their profits, that would instantly increase tax revenue. The bigger potential I see for a hard wealth cap is most easily seen in the real estate market. With a wealth cap in place, speculation in the housing market for profit would slim down and no one would be able to buy a $40 million estate unless they got the whole family together to do it. Financialized capitalism would have all the air let out of its sails. We would not be preyed upon for profit nearly as much and perhaps there would not be $30 trillion in 1% idle wealth seeking a 5% or greater annual rate of return on a $20 trillion annual GDP which is only growing at 2.5% per year (which is economic cannibalism).
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  2918. @Dave C - Because we have gone down this neoliberal path over 40 years, increasing tax rates on high earners will not have the mechanical effect needed to save the economy from cannibalization. You keep arguing the "undesirable effects" clause, but the "undesirable effects" have been here for some time and things are already worse overall than you think. Economic growth is currently a myth. I just don't understand how you can be missing what the math tells us already. Let me try to spell it out very plainly. U.S. GDP = $20 trillion with a growth rate of 2.56% ($560 billion in growth) $30 trillion (minimum) in invested funds seeks a rate of return greater than 5% ($1.5 trillion in interest payments) Subtract $560 billion from $1.5 trillion and you get $940 billion (1,500 - 560 = 940) Just to pay the 5% interest it take all the GDP growth ($560 billion) PLUS $940 billion directly out of the economy. The problem is that to satisfy interest requirements, $940 has to be sucked out of the economy. The way its done to hide its true nature is to raise prices on health care, housing, energy, etc and call the higher prices by a "product" of the economy. This way the extraction gets hidden inside the GDP and the population remains ignorant as to the causes of their distress. We don't have economic growth. What we have is economic contraction so that the wealthy can get paid their free money and they lie to us about it. You really need to get your head wrapped around this. Undesirable effects are already here my friend and I am no longer being fooled. Apparently you ARE still being fooled. Go through the math and tell me where I am wrong. The problem is larger than what I lay out, the 5% interest a low estimate for demonstration purposes only. The real interest rate is 7% to 9%, which is cannibalizing our economy at a much faster rate. If we are going to get out of this, then the 1% is just going to have to sacrifice their wealth and become ordinary.
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  2922. @Dave C - Look up the historical interest rates for the S&P 500 index funds, hedge funds, mutual funds, real estate aggregate gains and average gains since 1995. There is no single source, but the information is easy enough to track down. It requires you to make some lists, write down some numbers and do the math. You can do math, yes? You have not disputed my math so I'm assuming you are able to check this out for yourself. Look, I am a 58 year old late stage boomer with two adult daughters. I am conservative by nature, you have to be to raise some decent kids. Three years ago I began looking into the economy because things are not turning out the way we were taught. Bottom line is that the economy is not its own animal, it is a product of a political story. All economic forms are born, they thrive and then they die. We are in the death throes of capitalism, where capitalism is cannibalizing every economy. You think the GDP will go to shit? News flash, it already went to shit and it in the rotting phase. Let me tell you what is real. Every reform is eroded and destroyed by the wealthy. That is why Medicare for All, free college, the $15/hour minimum wage, all of these reforms are useless unless the tools to dismantle those reforms are removed from the economy and from politics. What most people are doing is what I call "looking in the wrong end of the telescope". Have we learned nothing from FDR and the New Deal? You are correct, I haven't even shown this to be a potential solution to the problem, because it is not all one problem. I pointed out what can be done to solve a great many problems. Have you considered what a wealth cap would do to real estate and housing? Have you considered how salary distribution would be altered in corporations with a wealth cap in place? Have you considered the potential for more worker owned companies once it is understood that a small minority can no longer manipulate company finances to enrich themselves? The list goes on and on. This is a manifold issue. Take for example an engine with fuel injection, how well do you think it would run if #8 cylinder received 20% more fuel than the other seven? It would run, but it would run like shit and break down often. So why treat an economy like that?
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  2934.  @OMGAnotherday  - I did not see the comment made by "Sioux Rose" as anything but advocacy for nature itself. Such advocacy gets left out of entire narratives, even climate change narratives. She ( I'm guessing), is correct. For my part, I find that too complex of a comment will garner no responses, so I try to keep my comments as simple as I can, while hitting on a vital point. I appreciate both you and "Sioux Rose" bringing forward excellent comments in response to my own. Bottom line is this, the wealthy have control over the media narratives. This means that the population which relies on the media for information will never know about the earth moving beyond the natural tipping point that leads to endless feedback loops we can never exit from. With Trump as president, a senile Biden being pushed by the wealthy and Sanders being shut out, we are going to become extinct. People simply do not understand that endless growth is not possible. I've used a quote from Michael Hudson's paper on compound interest many times over the years. However, when putting the quote into a recent comment, I found that I had missed a critical word, "millions" in the quote. See if you can catch the significance of understanding this quote, with and without the word "millions". This is from Michael Hudson's paper titled: "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four-Thousand Year Overview Part II". "It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold."
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  2944. Hey there Joe, I am agreeing with the first half of your observations here. There was a lot of quotable material in this video and some basic analysis, but nothing in depth. I was rather hoping to hear more about how the blend could work given current economic and social conditions. I agree, capitalism taken to the extreme would function, I believe, just as you laid it out. What I really wanted to converse with you about is what you wrote after the line, "Conversely imagine a world that is completely socialist.", because if we are to solve any problems, there has to be some clarifications about the narratives that pass for information and knowledge. What most people don't take into account is that ideas evolve, so when a narrative makes a claim, often the claim may have been true in the past but is no longer. Under other circumstances, the narrative fits what the narrator wants people to believe, such as falsehoods claimed as truths. For my own curiosity, I am going to number these narratives. 1) Socialism: "That means the government owns everything." This is no longer the way socialism handles the means of production, the ideas that govern socialism have evolved, learning from the massive failures of the past. The enterprise is now to be owned by the workers, who decide together what to produce and how to accomplish logistics. Who is better qualified than the workers to run a factory or a retail store? The government would not own anything, the governments job is to regulate the economy, not own it. The saying; "That means the government owns everything.", is a narrative used now for propaganda purposes only, mainly to scare people, and is not a current socialist plank. 2) "There is no incentive to produce anything because human beings being inherently lazy would not have motivation to do so." No way. Rarely if ever are the most important inventions and ideas created by companies. They are created by self funded individuals or groups of individuals funded by organizations such as universities, people who find motivation and satisfaction in the doing and in the achievement. There are just as many lazy people in capitalism as there would be in socialism because economics does not decide what drives a person, people are what they are no matter what the economic organization is. This is another narrative used as propaganda, with no actual proof to substantiate the narrative, no direct proof, no empirical evidence acquired by observation or experimentation. Not so fun fact here, capitalism stands in the way of motivated people by placing economic burdens upon them, huge monetary barriers to entry, thus short circuiting motivation and initiative. 3) "If you are a "progressive" you believe that the government is responsible to solve all ills of society even those created by individuals." If your wording had been "especially those created by individuals", I would be in full agreement with you. We need government, it is the only thing that can control rogue elements in both the economy and society, plus the only thing that functions to build a decent future (don't forget FDR and the New Deal, that was government all the way and it did a lot of good). As it stands now, it is individuals who are the greatest threat to us, because it is wealthy individuals who have taken over the government we have, along with our economy. We depend on both and neither is in our control or working for us. Damn straight progressives believe that government is responsible to solve all the ills of society, how else are we supposed to accomplish that? Last and most important, while I respect many of the people in this video, none have really thought out how an economy should run. Our economy is an open system, always has been, with unlimited top end wealth and no responsibility for externalities. The other end is open also, witness the explosion of homeless, not because these people are lazy but because housing is considered a capital asset and is not measured as part of consumer prices. Put simply, people are priced out of housing because it is a capital asset instead of a vital necessity for life, and there is no floor to save them. That is the problem, economic must be a closed system and it is not. The only way we can solve that is with a government, because individuals will not and individuals make a conscience decision to not create solutions running contrary to their perceived self interest. An example is this: capitalism would function almost perfectly if individual wealth was capped at both ends of the wealth spectrum. Encourage people to invent and/or exploit their way to loads of wealth, right up to the point where that individual wealth can start altering political decisions. Since no one should have the privilege of altering or influencing anyone's vote but the one that they are entitled to as a citizen, the wealth cap needs be set at the border between personal wealth and political influence. On the other side, no one should lack for housing, food, education, transportation and health care. Does not matter if a person is productive or not, give them what they need for survival and comfort and there will be little trouble from them (property crime would virtually disappear). For those who have more productive ambition, clear a path for them by providing what they need to fulfill those ambitions, instead of blocking them at every turn. Mankind will benefit enormously from the inventiveness of its people, once they are unshackled from the punitive and predatory capitalism that enslaves us now. BTW, I can prove that last statement, we are shackled and little more than glorified slaves at this point, we are in a no win situation. So yes, government is the only answer to this debacle, the progressives are correct.
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  2946.  @joecarmo9059  - Ok Joe, I respectfully disagree with your disagreement. You wrote: "The reason why I am not bothered by billionaires having all of that money is because it largely does not affect me and most poor people." This is no true Joe, and I am not talking strictly billionaires. The aggregate of wealth, adding up all the billionaires, millionaires and those with 401k's and IRA's, all of it together in a big pile of so-called "investments", is draining wealth from our entire society. Look at the math and then tell me where my error is. Our GDP, under $20 trillion and growing at an average rate of 2.6 percent per year. Financial assets, over $114 trillion and growing at a rate of over 9 percent per year ($9.9 trillion just this year so far, equaling 49% of you GDP to date). Of those financial assets, the top 10% own 89% of them. Over the past three decades, these assets have been used to transfer $50 trillion from the bottom 90% to the top 10%, and you think this does not affect you? Every time an insurance premium goes up, it is because its tied to a financial asset that gets most of the gain. Same for every other price increase you can encounter in our economy, especially housing. All of that employment the wealthy supposedly generate, that is miniscule in the aggregate and is all a part of our tiny GDP (when compared to the power and strength of financial assets to generate a rate of return). Our country long ago passed the point where the real economy could support financial asset gains. Now it is a shell game, three card Monte, where corporations sell bonds to the Federal Reserve and use the money to buy back their own stock to boost stock prices. It is a game and it is rigged. You cannot escape the math and neither will the rest of us when this house of cards caves in. If two people have a dollar in savings, with one getting 2.6% annually and the other getting 6% annually, who comes out on top after 40 years? And what if an additional 3% was taken from the person getting 2.6% annually and paid to the one getting the 6%, giving them 9% annually? You think that is fair? The person getting 2.6% is now losing 0.4 percent of their principle annually and going backward. That is the way financial markets work, they produce nothing and extract wealth from the poor to give freely to the wealthy. Final note, when you benefit from your "investments", it is because money was borrowed or prices are increased for the consumer. Take the inflation we hare currently experiencing. All of it is due to decisions by corporations to raise prices, and they are recording record profits. You still think what the wealthy do, still does not affect you?
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  2948. GeminiPanda - People are moving to the USA from Venezuela? Wow, that is rich! Why would they do that when the people of Venezuela know full well that the USA is responsible for their problems? The USA is committing Crimes Against Humanity toward the Venezuelan people to put pressure on them in hopes the people there will topple the legitimate government . . . all so that multi-national companies can swoop in and loot the resources of that country. This is what happens when capitalism starts to fail because the wealthy hoard all the cash and ordinary people cannot purchase enough to accommodate GDP growth demanded by fraudulent equity funds where the wealthy park their money. When there is not enough wealth to extract from ordinary people to satisfy the wealthy, then invade Venezuela! So Fox Fake News keeps telling you the real reason for suffering in Venezuela is the failure of socialism (which being so ignorant, you buy this story), when really it is sanctions put on Venezuela by the Federal Government of the USA that is asphyxiating the people and government of Venezuela. You see, we on the left do research and study to find out what is going on and provide remedies, while you idiots on the right stupidly believe what you are told by the billionaire owner of Fox Fake News. Why do you think that is? Could it be that Rupert Murdoch will personally benefit from raiding Venezuela's resources? Of course it is, and you stupid people believe him and his Fake news puppets. Why don't you look things up for once, instead of drooling all over your armchair. If you do, you will find out that socialism has evolved and is no longer "centralized government planning" . . . like the propaganda you listen to says it is. Get real!
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  2966. Erin S. Thank you for that well written and well considered comment. I am concerned, as all of us should be, about whether or not the memo released by the president is accurate and credible. To the last part of your comment, I feel for your confusion having gone through similar. To bolster elements within the party, I changed my registration from Independent to Democrat last year to hopefully push the party left. I don't think it will work, the corporate so-called "centrist" democrats stand firmly on the right while sputtering "unity". The corporate dems are paid to lose, so I think the progressives in the party and the corporate dems are suffering from irreconcilable differences. Time for a divorce. Last year was a big deal for me and was not all about the election . . . it was because I pulled the trigger on my own personal investigation into something that had been bothering me for some time. There is no way to thumbnail my own investigation results, but here is what I was after: What in the bloody hell has gone wrong with our economy? I thought I could research back to 2008 and that would be good. Nope, too many threads had origins further back. What kept popping up were political milestones . . . tax cuts and regulatory tinkering. This was confusing to me because I was researching "the economy". By the time I put a wrap on my research, I was back at the First World War. There were connecting threads going farther back still, but I by this time had enough already. It was time to crunch the numbers and draw some conclusions. In a nutshell, what I found out is that we have all been played. By "we" I am talking about citizens of the USA. Most of the population (including me) have been carrying on, blissfully ignorant of massive economic and political forces moving in our country over a period of decades. The economy and politics are one and the same. It is entirely because of political games being played, that the economy tanks and sputters. The republicans are of particular interest, they seem to be entwined in all of the tumult and very little of the good. Part of what I found related to this so-called "memo". What the president and the congress has now done is just too similar to the tinkering Hitler was doing back in the 1930's. What alarms me is that due to my hobbies (r/c airplanes) I have become very familiar with the price the German people paid for Hitler's actions by 1945 and after. I don't want our people to pay that kind of price for the current president's and congress's irresponsible actions, because they are truly trying to dismantle our republic and make us unto a fascist regime with Trump as dictator. We have one recourse, and it will not allow for a recovery but it will allow us a restart. The recourse we have is with our vote . . . never vote for a candidate whose campaign is funded by a PAC, a billionaire, corporations, banks, unions, or any type of organization. Our vote need to go to the candidate who raise the entirety of their campaign funding from us . . . We the People. The republicans have sold us out. The corporate democrats have sold us out. They do not represent US anymore. Our country has been taken over by big business, and we need to take it back from them, and then keep this from ever happening again.
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  2981. This why we have to refocus our energy. Our efforts are wasted when we try to do reforms of any kind, because those reforms will always be dismantled. Instead of changing a myriad of different laws trying to combat undue influence, there are only two simple rules that must be placed into law. First in an Annual Income Cap, the second is an Accumulated Wealth Cap. It is vast wealth in the hands of individuals which is the root cause of all our woes and the dysfunction of wealth inequality in our worldwide collective societies. Vast wealth is the toolkit used to dismantle all reforms put into law, and the one glaring example I will put forward is FDR's New Deal. In the decades since the New Deal, the wielders of vast wealth have been dismantling the New Deal piece by piece. Now the New Deal is gone, destroyed. This happens to every law, every reform ever put in place to protect the majority. There is a simple guide as to what the caps should be. By all means, earn your millions until you have enough for you and your family to live in the utmost of luxury for a lifetime. Beyond that point, return everything you earn back to the society that helped you create the wealth in the first place. No one makes millions in a vacuum, everyone who does so has the help of the entire society of human beings . . . every millionaire made is a joint venture with society. I'm 57 years old and my eldest daughter is 30 years old. Between us we have the life experiences of our generations. We did a "thought experiment" to ascertain what the income and wealth limits should be. Her ideas encompassed more than my own, so we generally went with her numbers. I would like to see more of us doing such "thought experiments" so we can come up with a consensus that will make an annual income and accumulated wealth cap palatable to the majority. Do these two things and all dark money political contributions evaporate down to a level where the will of the few no longer dominates the will of the many. We already know excessive wealth beyond what is needed to live a life of utmost luxury is mostly then used to exert power over the powerless.
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  2996. This why we have to refocus our energy. Our efforts are wasted when we try to do reforms of any kind, because those reforms will always be dismantled. Instead of changing a myriad of different laws trying to combat undue influence, there are only two simple rules that must be placed into law. First in an Annual Income Cap, the second is an Accumulated Wealth Cap. It is vast wealth in the hands of individuals which is the root cause of all our woes and the dysfunction of wealth inequality in our worldwide collective societies. Vast wealth is the toolkit used to dismantle all reforms put into law, and the one glaring example I will put forward is FDR's New Deal. In the decades since the New Deal, the wielders of vast wealth have been dismantling the New Deal piece by piece. Now the New Deal is gone, destroyed. This happens to every law, every reform ever put in place to protect the majority. There is a simple guide as to what the caps should be. By all means, earn your millions until you have enough for you and your family to live in the utmost of luxury for a lifetime. Beyond that point, return everything you earn back to the society that helped you create the wealth in the first place. No one makes millions in a vacuum, everyone who does so has the help of the entire society of human beings . . . every millionaire made is a joint venture with society. I'm 57 years old and my eldest daughter is 30 years old. Between us we have the life experiences of our generations. We did a "thought experiment" to ascertain what the income and wealth limits should be. Her ideas encompassed more than my own, so we generally went with her numbers. I would like to see more of us doing such "thought experiments" so we can come up with a consensus that will make an annual income and accumulated wealth cap palatable to the majority. Do these two things and all dark money political contributions evaporate down to a level where the will of the few no longer dominates the will of the many. We already know excessive wealth beyond what is needed to live a life of utmost luxury is mostly then used to exert power over the powerless.
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  3009.  @reasonerenlightened2456  - No cap at the top? Simply not true and I will outline why. Throughout history, all reforms that create a better life have been modified downward or eliminated by wealth. The only way we are going to change things is to muzzle wealth, if we don't, then wealth will muzzle us. Next, we have an exponential wealth growth scheme that pretends to be an economy. Just look at one section of wealth called financial assets. In the first half of 2021, financial asset value has increased by $8.7 trillion. If that trend continues, and there is no reason to believe it will not, then the growth of financial assets will be greater than 80% of our GDP. At this rate, in 2022 financial asset growth will surpass the entire GDP. Exponential wealth growth means that 0.01% will own every asset within ten years. Cap individual wealth at a set level and wealth will distribute horizontally through the economy and society, helping everyone. Right now wealth distributes vertically. Think of it like a municipal water system, would you and your town or city sit still if some rich punk tapped into the main water supply and diverted all the water to fill a private lake? Check out this chart from FRED, Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis. just look at the curve first, in 2021 the line is almost vertical. That is called an exponential curve. Then hover your cursor over the 4th quarter of the past two to three years and look at the annual gains, in the trillions per year. These assets only gain value when bought and sold. Someone is spending a great deal of money to do this and all that money is useless to the economy. The total is now over $113 trillion, five times the size of our economy and growing three times faster. This cannot be sustained and the only reason it has grown this much is because the entire country is being looted. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TFAABSHNO
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  3036.  @AHSears  - That was interesting. Why did you link to a Press Trust of India | Mumbai article? That is like looking at the world through a crack in a door from a dark room, not much in the way of seeing the big picture. Funny thing is, you completely negated your own case with your final sentence. Why do you think the average Joe barely has the capacity to grow wealth? Let me show you something with more clarity. There has not been that much inflation in consumer goods over time, but there has been a flood of liquidity being pumped into the economy over the past year. The money is going from the Fed, straight to the stock market, that is where actual inflation is showing up. The Federal Reserve is now accepting corporate bonds onto their balance sheet, something it has never done before. You really should check into the phenomenon of "Zombie Corporations", the ones who can only stay in business by borrowing because the revenues they get from "customers who pay for the things they provide" is no longer enough to keep them afloat. Just take a look at the Federal Reserve balance sheet compared to the S&P 500 over the past ten years, they are for all practical purposes identical. The only reason the entire stock market had not collapsed last year, is because of the massive $3 trillion cash infusion going directly to corporations so they could buy back their own stock. This money cannot ever be repaid because corporate revenues from "customers who pay for the things they provide" simply does not exist any longer. http://www.currentmarketvaluation.com/other-models/2020-08-Fed-Balance-Sheet-vs-SP500.php
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  3043.  @G.Bfit.93  - A socialist system is not the only way. Think about what you are saying. We have a capitalist system, or to be more precise we have a system that runs on capital and credit. Even David Harvey, a socialist economist, admits that capitalism is too deeply entrenched to be overthrown by revolution. Since David Harvey is correct about this, our goal must be to modify or morph the capitalist system by degrees until it naturally evolves into a socialist system. You are correct, the capitalist will never allow it, so what do you do about it? Revolution has a nasty habit of escaping the control of those who start one. The French Revolutionaries had a motto, "Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité", in English "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity". With capitalism taking the place of feudalism in France and then across the developed world, with almost another century before commercial slavery went underground (unfortunately not eliminated), we have more than adequate evidence that capitalism will not just disappear to be replaced by socialism. This does not mean that we give up on change. The French Revolutionaries did not get "Liberty, Equality, or Fraternity", the revolution escaped their control and other form of bondage took over, controlled by the wealthy. In every circumstance throughout history, the wealthy have controlled both the narrative and the governance under which we live. That is why we must stop fighting on eleven different leftist fronts and consolidate under one banner, the control of wealth (not the elimination of wealth).
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  3044.  @G.Bfit.93  - Thank you. We did enjoy the movie, or rather we would have enjoyed the movie but several weeks ago I proposed that movie night be "catching up on The Magicians on Netflix", since my daughter got us into that series. Then she finally landed the job she was after and our mid-week TV night went away. So tonight we watched the last two episodes of Season 4 and bawled our eyes out. It sucked and it was really good. So here we are in the comment section, having a dialog. Thing is, I'm not sure which direction you are going. On the one hand, you are saying there is nothing we can do (I'm paraphrasing). If we try to change things, the wealthy will just kill us. On the other hand, you seem to believe in socialism and write that private ownership needs to go. But if you don't believe anything can change, why believe in anything at all? For your information, I am a very angry old dude. In the last three years I've been learning that what I believed in my entire life has been a lie, propaganda and misdirection. You seem like a very angry young dude. As an angry old dude I have some advice, don't deal in absolutes when it comes to politics and the economy. Even though we were not given a choice because our presidential candidate was SELECTED FOR US, we still voted Trump out of office. So some things still work, even when they are corrupted. You are wrong about one thing, capitalists are not the only ones who can modify our economy through politics. They currently have the upper hand, but given that we just ejected a wanna-be fascist dictator from the presidency, we can also make other political choices that lead to economic changes. However, to do so, we cannot be fighting on fifty different fronts. There is a way for us to focus our power, but we cannot do that if we allow wealth to divide and conquer us. Notice I wrote "wealth", not republicans, democrats or corporations. It is wealth in concentrated form that does all the damage, therefor "wealth" should get our undivided attention until we bring down the ability to get political power from wealth.
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  3046.  @jamesguilford6807  - It is interesting that Omar brought up Elon Musk as an example, "Why do you or I get to take any of elon musk's money?" As an example of human ingenuity, Elon Musk is everything our system wants to promote. Selling his first company for $100 million gave him the means and freedom to further his ingenuity. This is the type of capitalism I really don't have a problem with and I certainly don't want to take away from Elon the means to achieve his next goals, I'm a big SpaceX fan. However there are two issues I have with the power this gives to one person. The first is the "private equities market", where staggering amounts of wealth are gathered to "earn" more than the economy can produce, which leads to cost increased for all of us, as more "profit" has to be generated to cover the costs of "earning" returns on private equities. This has been putting the squeeze on the rest of us for decades by literally draining wealth from those without private equity portfolio's, something I view as theft. The second problem I have is with the sense of entitlement generated by extreme wealth. Elon Musk responded to criticism over Bolivia on Twitter with the following: “We will coup (coup d’état) whoever we want! Deal with it.” This behavior is simply unacceptable. The people of Bolivia have a right to profit or not, from their own natural resources. Neither a country or and individual should ever have the right or ability to overthrow a government to enable pillaging and plunder of a weaker country.
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  3053. Ariel D - That blame on the rich is well placed and exactly where it belongs. The wealthy have been buying politicians who write the laws that benefit the wealthy exclusively. Capital gains taxes and Carried Interest taxes are well below the rate paid on the same level of income earned through actual labor. These are loopholes created exclusively for the wealthy. If I or any ordinary citizen worker were to propose a new law to my Representative or Senators, it would have the same chance of passing into law as does static noise. Not so for the wealthy, who have laws passed to benefit themselves over and over again . . . as in the Republican Tax Scam Law of 2017. Meanwhile, with wages stagnant and costs to live over the past three decades tripling on the bottom end, putting together the means in which individuals can start their own businesses has gotten exponentially more difficult. Not so for the Walton family of WalMart fame, who use our taxpayer money to supplement not only the building of their stores, but also to supplement the bottom feeding wages they pay by putting their workers on food stamps and Medicare. Furthermore, they put all other local small businesses OUT OF BUSINESS by using their unfair advantage of extreme wealth. When are you people going to stop defending the indefensible double dipping that the wealthy create for themselves through the political use of their wealth? Now is the time to tax all wealth to the point where one can live a life of luxury if you have earned it, but one can use wealth to alter votes that do not belong to you. It is time for an Income CAP and a Wealth CAP TAX, enough is enough already. Tax it all so that it puts an end to the pervasive lies, liars, cheats and thieves . . . including liars such as yourself who act as Guardians of the System that gives the wealthy more than they earn or deserve.
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  3086. @Bruno Pereira - As with others here, I went back and reviewed the comments you made to which I replied. Since it had been a week since I replied to your initial comment, I had forgotten about you, thinking that you would not reply. Looking back, you made several statements regarding Bernie, socialism and taxes. To make sure we have context, I am copying your comment here and will refer to it: "I can't wait for Bernie to be elected and destroy the country. I want to see the denialism of you socialists when the American economy collapses with tens of millions of unemployed and hungry (due to political incompetence and bad economic policies, not a pandemic lockdown). Believing that more taxes are the solution to the mismanagement of taxes already paid is insanity and masochism, but there is no point in explaining the basics of economics to you, you keep talking "Bad capitalism, wicked bourgeois elites. Good socialism, free things for the poor". The only remaining option is to let the children learn in practice not to play with fire." As to your opening comment, the country is already being destroyed, by capitalists. The economy is collapsing, tens of millions are unemployed and hungry. This is entirely due to the "political incompetence and bad economic policies" of the republicans and corporate democrats, who are capitalists. Less taxes is clearly not the solution to those problems, in fact the tax cuts of 2017 has accelerated the economic collapse. You closed with "The only remaining option is to let the children learn in practice not to play with fire." Seems that capitalism and the current right wing government have burned down the economy. Clearly, capitalism is causing problems, because under capitalism, both wealth for a minority and debt for the majority, grow faster than the economy is capable of growing. Proof is had by looking at financial assets. With over $100 trillion in financial assets gaining plus-5% annually, those assets are five times larger than the economy and growing at a faster rate. This is simply unsustainable. This is an inescapable fact of capitalism. You seem to think capitalism is the best and that socialism leads to catastrophe. There are innumerable problems with capitalism, it drains wealth from the population, it leads to monopolies, causes vast income inequalities and subjects governments to corporate capture. To keep capitalism in its current form is to guarantee that everything will be burned to the ground. This does not mean that "socialism" should take its place, what it does mean is that capitalism in its current form is toxic, therefore the form must be altered.
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  3087.  @crogers4912  - What is not hard? When people begin a comment without giving context, as in a three word sentence "Its not hard", it makes a reply "hard" to offer. Moving on, you wrote: "Let people keep more of their own money." OK, fine, you are leaving me guessing what you meant, so I am going to suppose you are referring to taxes. What you are probably not referring to is the private taxes we pay in the form of rising costs, costs that go up to fuel capital gains for financial asset holders. That private tax is one you cannot escape or repeal under the current economic model. The remainder of your comment is mirroring what so many people say, yet it is hardly an original thought. As a matter of fact, for those that repeat this talking point, it is obvious that they have given this subject little, if any thought at all. Exactly how is someone supposed to manage their own situation, when the economic situation is out of the majority of individuals control? Please answer that question. Next you say: "Either make more money to fit your lifestyle or change your lifestyle to match your income." Again, that is impossible and that saying such a thing is a favorite right wing talking point, which makes its validity dubious at best. Lifestyle is thrust upon us, not made by us, so making more money as a lifestyle choice is just an obnoxious suggestion. Costs to live keep rising, while wages remain stagnant. You should know this, except that anyone who says what you have written gets their economic information from billionaire run media establishments, which is another way of saying that you are listening to bullshit advice. C'mon man, you can do better than this.
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  3095. You know, the comments here are rather strange. Yes, there are more homeless people here than in any other state. Why? Because the weather is survivable all year round, it has nothing to do with political ideologies. California roads are not the best to be sure, yet as my daughter departed her state due to divorce, she noted that the roads that were not interstate highways were exceedingly bad in every state until she arrived here. I'm going to point fingers here, "you people", who write all the snide comments about "Commieforna" and the democratic politicians here, yet you are blissfully unaware that you are being manipulated. This video is manipulating you. John Stossel is not an unbiased reporter. His Fox Business show "Stossel", aired viewpoints on individual freedom, free market capitalism and small government, all very common in the American media. Yet what most people seem unaware of is these are the talking points of billionaires, whose purpose is to use propaganda in pursuit of power. The homeless issue is not a product of political positions, because it happens regardless if a democrat or republican is in power. Homelessness is a product of growing wealth, when large corporations buy up whole neighborhoods, driving up costs of home ownership for everyone and driving those less able to cope onto the streets. The wealthy cleaned up in 2020, with financial assets gaining almost ten trillion dollars. I believe the entire reason Trump never responded to the Covid pandemic is because corporations wanted to fire millions and re-hire some of the fired workers at lower wages. Stop blaming the politicians and political parties, while they are not saints, they are not the ones in the drivers seat. Use your common sense people, wealth cannot get bigger while millions lose everything, not unless something fishy is going on with our "elite" wealth holders.
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  3100. G Milla - How can anyone have a discussion when the first statement is "man-made climate change is a hoax"? Regardless of whether the US is a problem in this area or not, making such a claim does nothing to help solve such a problem. We all use fuel burning transportation, we gave up our car but we still take the bus to get our groceries and the stores use trucks to get supply deliveries, we use electricity also. All of us are very aware of our everyday use of carbon based fuels. You are doing nothing to help with this attitude and you are not using logical thinking even though you used those words to make your case. It took millions of years for nature to sequester the carbon from natural sources into the ground. The earth had huge volcanoes in the past that belched out carbon, one example is the Permian Period which featured massive volcanic eruptions. It is the only known mass extinction of insects . . . until the modern era. (Now insects are dying off at a rate of 2.5% per year, so in 100 years there will be no more insects, therefore no pollinators, therefor no more food). It took 500,000 years for the carbon of that era to be filtered out enough for higher life forms to once again arise on earth. In the modern age, we are taking carbon out of the ground and burning it at a rate natural systems cannot keep up with. This has been proven already through study and experiment. Facts are not erased just because you and that idiot Trump claim it is a hoax. So if AOC is doing nothing to help (which is categorically incorrect), what are you doing? Oh yeah, you claim climate change is a hoax, so you are doing nothing. That is ok, the world is full of imbeciles and you are obviously among them. We will do what we can without you. You listen to and obviously believe the propaganda spew from Fox, so of course you are an imbecile . . . in other words, a useless human.
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  3108. There was a time when Ronald Reagan was a true progressive, he actually made speeches which any progressive today would recognize. Then there came a time in his successful career when he became co-opted by right wing fanaticism because of his own greed. He wondered aloud why he should continue to working, when after six months labor (if you can call acting "labor"), most of his earnings went to the government in taxes. At the time Reagan was musing about this individual income tax rates for the top income bracket were at 91% and 92%, out of sight compared to the present day. He stated that he would be better served spending the last six months of the year on his ranch riding horses. Well, riding horses is exactly what Ronald Reagan should have done. Let another actor have the chance to play that leading man role. Furthermore, the patriotic thing to do was to keep working and pay those taxes willingly to support the USA and all the USA could accomplish with those tax revenues. Instead greed overtook Ronald Reagan, greed that overwhelmed the sense of abundance he should have carried in his heart, greed that eventually corrupted and threatens now to topple this once great country. Exactly how much money does one person need? If Ronald Reagan had enough money to have a ranch and horses by working only six months out of the year, is that not enough for one person to have? This idea that our society can only function when a small segment demands more and more at the expense of the remainder of our society . . . that idea is the symptom of a terminal illness within our society. There is no reason for the wealth concentration pervasive today other than greed. Does not the Bible say something about greed and avarice? The idea of a cap on wealth and income is a healthy one for the society of today. Every person can live well enough, even a life of luxury . . . without the need to accumulate more than could ever be spent in one human lifetime. It is time for us as humanity to grow up, before the idiots of avarice poison the necessary life giving natural systems on OUR collective planet to the point where no living creatures can survive. Once a certain level of personal annual income and accumulated wealth is achieved, any surplus generated needs to be gladly handed back to the society that enabled that income and wealth to be generated in the first place. Attitudes need to change about this topic . . . immediately.
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  3110. imiss toronto - Being well off is not a bad thing, but how much wealth do people actually need? Once one person surpasses earnings or wealth that puts them and their family beyond the need to work for a living, that is quite enough. It has been shown time and time again that people who pursue wealth beyond their actual needs and beyond a luxury lifestyle, those people are in pursuit of power. This has proven to be extremely bad for society and humanity at large. It is time for us as a society to put stringent limits on how much in earnings and wealth a single person or family can accumulate, because our history has shown wealth beyond that point has detrimental effects on society as a whole. Same thing for large businesses and corporations. It is against the best interests of society to let a company or corporation grow so large, that it starts to devour (as in buy up) other companies. Such behavior needs to be strictly limited or eliminated, for the common good of society. People who have talent and/or good ideas should be rewarded handsomely for their contributions to society. Those same people need to be trained that beyond their handsome rewards, their contribution to society also needs to include the excess wealth generated going back into society . . . to help fund other very smart people in bringing their contributions to society. This should be a civic duty, rather than being looked at as it is now . . . as theft of what a person has "rightfully earned". Besides, when you have so much money that it sits in investment accounts earning interest . . . can that money really be considered as something they have really and truly earned? The rate on return for billionaire investors is more than the GDP growth of entire countries. How is this helpful when those investment accounts help to periodically crash the economy?
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  3114. This racism and other-blaming was all brought to the surface and promoted by the very wealthy and industrial capitalists over 40 years ago, who needed a convenient narrative to obscure the neo-liberal agenda to create the modern Kings and Serfs society. . . which they knew would strip most Americans of their assets and wages over the past 40 years and accelerate the stripping over the next 40 years. This racism narrative is how they are hiding their action from all of us. Here is what we really need to be concerned with: The Macro Economic Scales. Right now 17 international wealth funds have $50 Trillion in their portfolio's seeking a rate of return. Even at a paltry 5% rate of return, it will only take 14.4 years to double. That is $50 trillion in "free" money gained in 15 years. Where is that going to come from? Certainly not from the legitimate "productive" economy, no . . . it will be "extracted" from all of us and from "regime change" countries. It is time for us to back public policy that puts a hard limit on wealth accumulation, because the appetite of "rate of return" investments cannot possibly be met. When you extrapolate out to 45 years, the $50 trillion of today will becomes $400 trillion. That means $350 trillion dollars gets sucked out of the planet just to pay interest. This is beyond unsustainable, it is destruction, disaster, rape, murder and plunder rolled into one ugly ball. You ever see what happens to a rooftop when too much snow accumulates on it? Collapse. The modern narrative of racism and other-baiting is meant to obscure the nature of the coming collapse. The sheer mass of that much accumulated wealth is going to collapse everything world wide . . . and we have to stop this. Time for an income and wealth cap, it is the only way we can manage this outrage.
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  3145. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  3148. Animal Farm - Chris Hedges is an honest and experienced voice in the wilderness. Hartman is supporting the best of what he knows. Both are very good at speaking but come up short when offering the masses a simple tool they can understand and use, because both are long winded in nature. Here is something simple the masses can grasp and use to make real change in our global society. The idea from my perspective originated with Thom Hartmann and Professor Richard Wolff, but I have extrapolated further: We have a minimum wage, now it is time to put a maximum cap on individual and family accumulation of wealth. I'm not talking about taking away all of our "embarrassed millionaires" right to earn those millions . . . but come on now, be realistic! How many of us has ever seen five million in earnings over a lifetime of working? If you earn $50,000 annually . . . the most wealth you could possibly accumulate over a working life of 30 years is 1.5 million dollars and that is only if you saved every penny and paid no taxes! If the rest of you folks are like me, I have no problem capping all family wealth accumulation for a lifetime at $50 million dollars with a 95% inheritance tax to avoid dynastic wealth accumulation. That comes out roughly at $1.75 million earned after taxes annually. Virtually every single problem facing us as a human society has its roots embedded in those very few of us who are morbidly wealthy. With the exception of asteroid strikes and possibly earthquakes and volcanoes, every single problem we have stems from accumulated wealth in the hands of very few human beings. Eliminate that morbid excess that with a simple wealth and earnings cap, then most of our problems will disappear and many others will find logical solutions that were being stifled by wealthy individuals who wielded power far in excess of the ONE VOTE they are legally entitled to.
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  3188.  @Masaru_kun  - I also appreciate your thinking. Ok, let us say that we go with a Rosa Luxemberg school of thought. How are we going to get there? Already something she wrote which is included on her Wikipedia page has already come to pass: "Without general elections, without unrestricted freedom of press and assembly, without a free struggle of opinion, life dies out in every public institution, becomes a mere semblance of life, in which only the bureaucracy remains as the active element. Public life gradually falls asleep, a few dozen party leaders of inexhaustible energy and boundless experience direct and rule." We have voter suppression all over the country. The wealthy are behind this voter suppression. How do we fight this when already the people have gone to sleep? Even the democratic party is using voter suppression, anointing Tom Perez as Chair and literally shoving Biden down our throats. The free press has been eaten by the corporate press. The problem is, we are fighting battles on too many fronts. We must consolidate our efforts. Take the electoral platform of the Justice Democrats. End the wars, Medicare for all, $15/hr minimum wage, Green New Deal, Federal Jobs Guarantee, just the sheer number of items is dividing our resources and we are being fought every step of the way by wealthy interests. I'm not opposed to writing a whole paper in response to your comment, but I don't want to inflict that upon you quite yet. However, consider one aspect of what you wrote about how wealth is generated in a capitalist society. With a wealth cap, real estate prices would flatten. The rich individual at the cap could not live off interest, that income would exceed the cap. The only way a rich person could get interest is to have a wealth level below the cap. Oppression would drop, I could go into that aspect in considerable detail. Ownership would have to divest, ownership is wealth and you cannot go over the cap, so ownership of a large company would spread out horizontally among management and employees. A wealth cap defeats "The Powell Memo", the blueprint of wealth expansion over the past half century. If you have not read it, do so, it is short enough to read in a single sitting and should be required reading for all socialist leaning people. If you want to bring up more points, I welcome the opportunity to expand on what a wealth cap can accomplish.
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  3189.  @Masaru_kun  - OK. You think a wealth cap is "not sufficient and calling it the 'only' way forward is just silly". While every one of your proposals are excellent and must be done, however putting the cart before the horse guarantees the failure of each one of those proposals. This is the problem and fault of every progressive proposal. If we are ever going to get to a post-capitalist world, then the foundation of capitalism, compounded interest, must be dealt with. I am going to illustrate this using an excerpt from Michael Hudson's four part paper on compound interest and debt, and I will include a link to the paper below. The paper is titled: "The Mathematical Economics of Compound Rates of Interest: A Four-Thousand Year Overview Part II" Excerpt: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” In his Observations on Reversionary Payments, first published in 1769 and running through six editions by 1803, Price elaborated how the rate of multiplication would be even higher at 6 percent: “A shilling put out at 6% compound interest at our Saviour’s birth would . . . have increased to a greater sum than the whole solar system could hold, supposing it a sphere equal in diameter to the diameter of Saturn’s orbit.” http://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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  3190. Our wealth building system is a con job, a hustle, a scam. The entire system is built on the foundation of "compounded interest", something the wealthy have promoted as a way every worker can grow wealth over time. By creating the "IRA' and "401k" retirement scams, they have brought American workers on board their con job, making those who do participate in these plans willing accomplices in their efforts to keep their boots on the necks of average working people. The hustle of compounded interest is well known and a proven con job for thousands of years. wealth and debt always grow faster than economies. An excerpt from one of Michael Hudson's economic papers reveals the scam: It was in reference to Britain’s war debts that one of Adam Smith’s contemporaries, the Anglican minister and actuarial mathematician Richard Price, graphically explained the seeming magic of how debts multiplied exponentially. His 1772 Appeal to the Public on the Subject of the National Debt described how “Money bearing compound interest increases at first slowly. But, the rate of increase being continually accelerated, it becomes in some time so rapid, as to mock all the powers of the imagination. One penny, put out at our Saviour’s birth at 5% compound interest, would, before this time, have increased to a greater sum than would be obtained in a 150 millions of Earths, all solid gold. But if put out to simple interest, it would, in the same time, have amounted to no more than 7 shillings 4½d.” What Price failed to appreciate was that never in history has any economy been able to turn a penny or any other sum into a surplus large enough to pay creditors a solid sphere of gold reaching out to Saturn’s orbit. Economists estimate that during the two thousand years since the birth of Christ the European economy has grown at a compound annual rate of 0.2 percent, far less than the level at which interest rates have stood. https://michael-hudson.com/2001/04/the-mathematical-economics-of-compound-rates-of-interest-a-four-thousand-year-overview-part-ii/
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