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@chamade166 - different class of car. The 86/BRZ is designed for lightweight, balanced kind of driving style with an emphasis on handling.
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@chamade166 - and heavier. How much does the Mustang weigh?
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"Toyota as a company should be ashamed to say that's there 45 years of iconic sport car. When in reality it's 95% of BMW parts and built." - we didn't buy enough RC Fs, we didn't buy enough LC 500s, and more telling, we didn't buy enough A80 Supras. "It's still short and ugly body anyway when comparing to MK4 Supra" - funny thing here is that these also apply to the A80 back when it was brand new.
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We didn't buy enough A80 Supras and actually hated it at first, so there're those. Besides, if the Supra is a rebadged BMW, the driving would have been too different from what it currently is.
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Apples-to-oranges, dude. The LC is designed for more luxury than performance. Handcrafted by skilled engineers, some from the LF-A program. Besides, the alternative cars you mentioned are mass-produced for the general populace.
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@alexgerstmann3007 - that last comment suggest you are the one who doesn't know much about the Supra nameplate. For one, the Supra uses three lines of engines over the years: the M, JZ, and BMW's B58. Two, I'm not sure if you're aware, but the A80 Supra was also just as hated back in the day (especially by some in the A70 crowd). This is the same situation the current car is experiencing. And the third, manufacturers get many of their parts from external suppliers: ZF for their transmissions, Bosch for the electricals. And one funny thing is the A80's transmission: Getrag made it.
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@alexgerstmann3007 - "which is a total abortion abortion of a car" I suggest stopping here. As I've mentioned, the A80 got just as much hatred back in its day. Besides, with the current economic situation and tightening emissions, the current Supra is pretty much the best thing a lot of people seem to not appreciate.
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@alexgerstmann3007 - "Supra only used a 1 j into Jay-Z and the mark for is what we're talkin about" Yep, clearly ignoring the prior generations of Supra. EDIT: Before I forget, the JZ is used on a buch of other Toyota and Lexus cars as well.
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You have to keep in mind that some of the legendary rally cars started out as normal econoboxes (WRX STI for the Impreza, Evolution for the Lancer, Integrale for the Lancia Delta). I could go on and on...
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And yet, the A80 got a lot of hate and didn't sell well.
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You do know that those cars are more apples-to-oranges, right?
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Doesn't work that way. RnD costs, plus emissions compliance.
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"if Toyota didn't abandon the Supra name/model for ~20 tears between 4th and 5th generation." - more like we were the ones who turned their back on the nameplate with the initial dislike the A80 model received and the low sales numbers compared to the A70. Besides, Japan suffered economically in the 90's (some of its effects still linger today).
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@gato7050 - not quite. Power's fine as-is.
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Not gonna happen. Gonna cost a good chunk of money to meet performance requirements and emissions.
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Requires a lot of modifications for emissions regulations and performance targets. Costs money and time to do so, especially since the 2JZ isn't just installed on the Supra.
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You need to do some research on the G16 engine to see why.
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I'll just leave this here. https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toyota-supra-size-dimensions-comparison-thread.1634/
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Is it a disgrace, though? A80 Supras aren't cheap back when they were sold new, and (at least in the US) they didn't sell a lot. Didn't help that Japan's economy in the 90's wasn't that great either. Making and developing a new car is very expensive. It's much cheaper to develop a sedan or an SUV than a sportscar since the former two will be selling like hotcakes, and now electric vehicles are on the horizon.
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"soccer mom in a v6 camry" FWD, chassis not designed for sporty driving like the twins, big and heavy.
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@사나마나-t2g - Except that a good portion of cars from Japanese brands aren't made in Japan: Toyota Tacoma, made in the good 'ol US of A and Mexico Honda Civic Type R, made in jolly old England And my favorite bit... Toyota GR Supra, built in Graz, Austria alongside BMW's Z4 Oh, yeah... Mazda's only factories in Japan are situated southwest of Japan, well away from Fukushima.
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@rayhanrizvi334 - I saw the vid of the camo'd GT3 prototype that ran at Fuji. Apparently, it seems to be reusing the V8 of the RC F and LC 500.
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Not exactly.
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Not exactly. Besides, the numbers seem to lean more to the N. American market.
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Prior Supras don't even have a JZ engine.
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I suggest digging a little deeper within the car. This ain't some normal Mustang we're dealing with here.
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Look at videos of modded G16s.
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IDK, though. After the 24 Hours of Nürburgring (they scored 3rd place in their class, BTW) and then their upcoming debut in the 2020 Super GT season, Toyota would have the data needed to improve the Supra, going as far to say that hotter models would come in the near-future. And possibly a manual if legit interest is found.
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Take a test drive when you have the chance.
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@RaitisRides - it's pretty simple: making one is expensive even for one car. Updating the JZ would also be expensive due to complying with current emissions standards and trying to meet performance requirements.
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Not everyone is interested in turbo. Plus, there is the thing called weight.
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Not really. $30,000 is relatively reachable, and saying that it's too slow underestimates the abilities of the car.
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Miata's lighter than an average sedan. Besides, it ain't about the numbers.
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Car didn't even run extensively yet, let alone relased.
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Not just yet.
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Yeah, you're getting a C8 for a lot more money when factoring in the options.
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If the old 86's 0-60 times are anything, there is a chance that the current car's times are lower than stated.
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Mom's SUV is also heavy.
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Daytona. It refers to the GTD class (and GT3 as well).
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A 2JZ is a straight-6 engine.
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Eh, a bit too much. Besides, you don't exactly need it.
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How about taking a look at the G16 engine's history before calling it a failure?
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@idohearthatersdgk - except: - the RS5 is a high performance, compact executive car - the TT RS is a higher-performing sports car - the M4 is a high-performance, compact executive coupe - the C 63 is, yet again, another high-performance, compact executive coupe The Lexus LC 500, however, is a luxury grand tourer. A different class compared to the cars you listed. Another thing to mention is that a lot of the car is hand-built by skilled technicians and engineers.
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@idohearthatersdgk - that's why I mentioned 'grand tourer' to distinguish it from the other cars.
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@idohearthatersdgk - no, I'm not. The Corvette doesn't exactly fit because it's a more high-performance, two-door sports car.
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Do not underestimate the weight and chassis of the car. Speed isn't the only factor. Edit: And to clarify on the weight, 1270 kg for the Japan-spec. Outside of it, expect the weight to be very close.
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Japan's GT500 says "hi"
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@astraynoir5640 - aerodynamics. Plus, what are you planning to use the vents for, oil cooling or brake cooling?
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"For less money!!" - maybe, but factor in options, and the Corvette's price would... Yeah, I wouldn't suggest saying that. Most of the time, people move away from the base model.
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Most transverse engines use the inline configuration. It's simply just placed horizontally.
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