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"it's just way too slow for me" - something tells me you're not driving the car correctly.
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The Z is also a parts-bin car.
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Not really
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Mazda's doing fine with their MX-5, and that is even NA.
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@Nick-hz2kl "The GR86 was the slowest" - and that's the point of the twins: it's supposed to help people learn RWD sportscar driving without the fuss of too much horsepower. "It needs at least 300hp" - do we really need that much horsepower for such a (relatively) light car? Besides, where exactly are you going to enjoy it, both safely and legally outside of a track? "Especially with the new Z being only 8k more and 173hp faster" - while being heavier at 3,486 lbs. for the base, and with no LSD as well. Even as a Subaru WRX STI fan, I have to disagree.
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The Supra wasn't supposed to be a GT-R competitor to begin with.
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@iMANTlS - not quite. You have to keep in mind that the GT-R is a more race-oriented car. In contrast, the Supra is a little more cushy. EDIT: And the Supra's role changed in the current generation to being an actual performance car.
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"It's a car that has no purpose." - look up the term, "grand tourer". The LC is built to be that.
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Neither are the 86 and Z since they're not build to the Japanese market.
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"instead they partnered with BMW and making that complete failure of Supra with BMW engine." - and yet, the current Supra, at least in the U.S., surpassed the A80 in terms of sales. Hardly a failure; besides, it did pretty well on the motorsport front. The actual "idiots", if I were to be honest, are us car fans. We chided the A80 Supra back when it was sold new, and it suffered through low sales. Now, you're repeating the mistake that plagued the previous car.
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Not really
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And what about the MX-5? Less horsepower than the 86, but highly regarded.
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Not a sportscar.
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@sgtmuffinbadger6147 - 86 is lighter than the G37, don't forget that.
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@sgtmuffinbadger6147 - so you're saying, you traded the 86 in because you did not fully take advantage of its chassis, lightweight nature, and the improved torque that all but solved the torque dip problem in the 1st-gen? Car's more capable than last time.
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@sgtmuffinbadger6147 - that's the problem: you're too drunk on speed and horsepower. And no, not everyone is interested in a Mustang. Besides, the RTV has gotten too overblown than needed.
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@sgtmuffinbadger6147 - which 500 model, the regular or the Abarth? "It's a cheap BRZ covered in rice" - the folks at sport auto magazine would like to disagree.
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@sgtmuffinbadger6147 - highest horsepower rating for the Abarth is 180hp (for the 695 model). The twins have 228hp, and even with that, dynos reported higher ratings. Honestly, why are you continuing to do unjustified hate on the twins? EDIT: Besides, a YouTuber by the name of BRZ601 did a faster time than sport auto, at 8:19.
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@sgtmuffinbadger6147 - so you're just straight-up hating the car for doing what it is supposed to be designed to do and not appreciating the strides it took to differ from the 1st generation.
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@sgtmuffinbadger6147 - I suggest giving the car a drive on a twisty mountain road or (more realistically) a local race course. BTW, it's FA24 and not an EJ.
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@CurtisSmal - which wasn't the designers had intended. It was aimed primarily at the Z cars.
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@CurtisSmal - which required ditching the 2JZ in favor of the 3S-based 503E 4-pot and 3UZ V8 in the JGTC and early years of Super GT.
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@Paul - and besides, didn't James Bond drive a Toyota before?
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Not quite. In the long run, Toyota bringing out sports cars (despite being co-developed) in an era where not many manufacturers make them and affordably is already balls-y enough. Besides, the former CEO was known to have raced quite often.
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"I don't see why we just can't build this exact same car." - you can't.
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Dude, rollovers happen from time to time.
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@mikeduncan7552 - Koenigsegg once made a 3-pot (with more horses).
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"the more disrespect on the legendary 2jz gte Supra gets" - which is false, by the way, considering how sales of the A80 went.
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"if the engineers weren't the ones talking." - where else can you find the best compilation of testimonies from those who were there?
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Until regulations come into play.
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@Manny32V - it ain't just the engine. The car's chassis and passenger protection also needed extensive updates as well to comply.
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@Manny32V - again, chassis and passenger protection needs extensive updates. So, it's not exactly doable without meeting the stringent regulations compared to the 90's. Total that and the engine modifications (even as trying to get it to meet performance goals) and this would be expensive.
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A lot of the Supras aren't even "JDM" to begin with, which is a common misconception. The three letters are supposed to refer to cars built for Japanese rules and regulations, so any Japanese car built for other markets doesn't make it JDM. This also applies to the new Z. And about the BMW sticker, it doesn't tell the whole story: car's made by Magna Steyr, which also manufactures other cars for other brands. As well, a lot of the parts aren't even made by BMW themselves. They have external suppliers who make said parts for them (even Toyota practice this).
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Heritage: the Supras before it use a straight-6.
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@jareknowak8712 - closed head design and forged pistons, rods, and crank. Like the 2JZ.
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@LARSENBISQUITS - not quite, considering that some of the famous rally legends are based on econoboxes (Subaru Impreza, Lancia Delta, Mitsubishi Lancer, Peugeot 205, Ford Focus). Besides, the Civic Type R exists.
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@beexiong2995 - correction: built and sold under Japanese regulations for the Japanese market. As for @Canis Medina, the Z4 and Supra are actually built in Austria by Magna Steyr.
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@b0baphat249 - good thing Toyoda took it out for a spin at the 2019 24 Hours of Nurburgring.
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@Xhsy2527 - given that Sato heads Gazoo Racing, I don't think we have to worry too much. Besides, I think Toyoda-san would have a little more free time for racing and providing some more feedback.
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@elleryfamilia8291 - to be fair, not every car needs 300 hp. Britain's Caterham, for example, has cars that have even less horsepower than the 86, but their lightweight chassis more than make up for the deficiencies.
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Supra wasn't supposed to be a GT-R competitor, even on older models. That was originally the answer to the Z car until the A80 generation.
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Except it basically used a Celica 4-pot in place of the 2JZ. EDIT: And by the later years of the JGTC, the 3UZ V8.
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It actually means "Japanese Domestic Market", cars build for Japanese rules and regs. People often misunderstood the term and, instead, denote cars made in Japan and not get the actual meaning behind the acronym.
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Except the Tesla doesn't have much of a racing experience the Supra and Z already have.
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"when I say Miata is damn slow ..." - or you didn't drive the car correctly.
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The standard Supra's chassis is more rigid than the LFA's. Other than that, the car will receive updates (and probably the more hardcore versions) through race data and experience. The upcoming 24 Hours of Nürburgring is one such example. https://paultan.org/2019/06/12/toyota-supra-to-enter-24-hours-of-nurburgring-race/
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So do the 86 and Z. "JDM" actually refers to the Japanese Domestic Market, cars build to Japanese rules and regs.
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Eh, no. And it's mainly down to race data. Think about it: the Supra has been racing since 2018 and will continue to do so through many categories such as GT4 (through their customer racing programs) and Super GT (where the Supra will race starting next year as a GT500 entry, replacing Lexus). As for Master Toyoda, he enjoyed the ride since he (under his 'Morizo' pseudonym) drove in this year's 24 Hours of Nürburgring and brought the Supra to a good 3rd in its category. Toyota themselves said that the data collected will be used to improve the Supra and the GR brand as a whole. EDIT: Here are the links to check out. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/06/11/2020-toyota-supra-nurburgring-24-hours/ www.speedhunters.com/2019/07/toyota-n24-supra-entry-matter/
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Both cars shown in the video aren't "JDM". That term refers to cars built for the Japanese market and regulations only.
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Toyota requested a straight-6 engine for the Supra, not a V6 engine. As well, the twins are supposed to be lightweight, handling-focused cars. A V6 is an antithesis to the philosophy.
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Laughs in Caterham Seriously, they offer cars - some with even less horsepower - that can still pack a punch thanks to its lightweight body.
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@alextitov75 - not exactly. Not even Subaru's idea to build a RWD sports car.
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Not exactly it. As Albon mentioned, the situations regarding the economy brought a hit to sportscars. One particular economy is Japan's; the 90's weren't exactly kind to them (they called this the 'lost decade' for a reason). Then, there's also the 2008 financial crisis (this brought down the road-going version of Honda's HSV-010 race car).
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@JacesOwnWorld - Super GT would like a word. Oh, and IMSA as well. And since Lexus is Toyota's luxury arm, the GR Supra GT4, their future GT3 race car, WRC, and WEC would like a word
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335hrsprs (or 382 for the B5830O1-spec cars) for the GR Supra 3.0.
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@seamusmcfitz913 - again, refer to sport auto's Nurburgring lap video for the Supra.
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@seamusmcfitz913 - yep, certified troll and a 7:52.12 lap time for the Supra. That car is way more manly than you.
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@seamusmcfitz913 - which are modded?
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@Oosh21 - and by early next year, the R34 would be road-legal on US roads. EDIT: Early R34 models to be more precise.
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No. How about the Toyota 2000GT? The Mk.IV was known to have gotten inspiration from the car. https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&source=hp&ei=auYKXdHZDYz2wAPC7pzQBQ&q=toyota+2000gt&oq=toyota+2&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.1.3.35i39l2j0l3.4602.10053..11277...2.0..0.166.1110.0j9......0....1.......5.IetENdpVk9I#imgrc=1SnE6G5nRQI7pM
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