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@EPYes - the RC's platform isn't exactly good compared to the one the Supra uses.
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The current car sticks with the straight-6, RWD, and two-door coupe formula while making it a more potent sportscar than the previous generations. Besides, the CEO was involved with the development, too.
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You need to check out the sides of the Toyota 2000GT. That predates the original Z car.
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@MKDC-5 - not quite. Besides, Subaru initially didn't want themselves in the project until Toyota bought some of Fuji Heavy Industries' shares.
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Not quite. Still ZF-made, but Toyota-specific tuning.
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Not quite.
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At least in the US, it outsold the A80.
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"Doesnt look like a supra" - so was the Mk. IV to the Mk. III, and that to the Mk. II "doesnt sound like a supra" - there are other straight-6s the Supra used in its run, not just the JZ series "doesnt drive like a supra" - sporty gran tourer compared to a more focused sports car
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@johnwayne5830 - "Just slapped a supra badge on it only thing this and the original have in common." - the only things that are consistent are the use of a straight-6 engine and rear-wheel drive.
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@BF109G4 - but did not race their Z4 while Toyota did with the Supra, even bringing along CEO Akio Toyoda in the 2019 24 Hours of Nurburgring. They even offer a GT4 racing version.
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@carboydorifutoparty3976 - and besides, let's not forget that we didn't buy a lot of A80s back when they were brand new and some of us outright hated it at first.
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And yet, we didn't buy a lot of them new and actually hated it at first.
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It's actually 380 Stateside.
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Nope.
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Not really.
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@not4younot4you70 - check GoodCarBadCar for the current Supra's NA sales figures.
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And how heavy are the sedans and SUVs?
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@lucky889s9 - a better question: How many "BMW" parts are actually made by BMW? Asking this because most manufacturers get their parts from external suppliers (ZF makes the transmissions not just for BMW, but other brands).
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What about in a corner? Can a RAV4 do that?
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@TroutFink - so, not quite? I did a bit of checking. An LE trim with AWD has 3,510 lb. curb weight vs. 2811 lb. for a base 2023 GR86. That's quite a lot of extra weight for the RAV4 to carry through a corner.
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Not quite.
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Eh, not exactly.
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A "girl's car" that was test driven by professional Japanese drivers, including the Drift King Keiichi Tsuchiya.
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@TheShangralaaaa17 - well, the nation's Super GT BRZ would like to say "hi".
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Electric cars are older than gas-powered ones.
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@ChickyRx - I was referring to the part, "who is buying this old technology ?" Just poking some fun at it.
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Not quite. Supra back then was meant to be against the Z. In fact, it never was supposed to be a GT-R competitor to begin with.
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I suggest looking at the Toyota 2000GT and compare it to the Supra.
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@UnoB8938 - honesty, your opinion is very, very, very stupid. We're buying an 86 for the purpose of a purer, lightweight rear-wheel drive enjoyment with the chassis to match and at a price where people have better chances to buy (at least in America). Does the Mazda3 have any of that? I suggest doing laps on a local track as well. Power isn't everything.
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@UnoB8938 - you're comparing a more premium econo hatchback to a more dedicated sports car that is more affordable and accessible to the masses, apples-to-oranges. Of course, it's wrong.
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@UnoB8938 - again, apples-to-oranges. Besides, what other manufacturer besides Toyota and Mazda make a budget sports car that the average Joe has better chances to be introduced to sports car driving? Before I forget, most of the Mazda3 trims exceed 3,000 lbs. in terms of weight. The 86/BRZ weighs just above 2,800 lbs.
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Until there is a corner up ahead.
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No need, especially given Nissan's current situation. Plus, Toyota has a CEO that races every so often. Besides, the GT-R is already in the 6-figures.
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@MidNiteR32 - not really a wet fart.
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Not exactly. He let off the gas.
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@tone3560 - no, seriously. Look and listen at 13:02.
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If any car is to be sold specifically in the Japanese market, then it's JDM.
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Not really.
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Okay, let's see. If that's the case, explain how: - they won last year's Super GT season despite Honda having aguably a better car? - the GR Supra scored 3rd in class at the 2019 24 Hours of Nurburgring, arguably among the toughest endurance events? - won the 24 Hours of Le Mans?
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@Transit_my-way - okay, I understand lol
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Not quite. As a Subaru enthusiast myself, the BRZ is a different kind of car compared to the WRX. The former is focused on RWD fun.
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@MauiWauiPineappleExpress - pretty simple: Toyota requested a straight-6 engine. And to make development costs more affordable for the Zupra.
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A80 Supras back when they were new weren't even cheap to begin with (at least in NA).
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"And we get a BMW without enough Horsepower and Torque! In my opinion." - it actually has a little more horsepower than you think, even if the model comes only with the 335 hp straight-6. "And a Turbo model would have been nice too." - it's all turbocharged.
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@macaalf8219 - we need to clarify one thing: look up at the Toyota 2000GT. A lot of design cues are based on that car.
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Not exactly. This gen fixed the torque dip (the actual problem of the first-gen car). Now it can pull away from heavy family sedans at the corners.
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Not really.
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Only 7 cars are recalled.
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"Why didn't Toyota put awd in this car?" Simple, they want to keep the RWD heritage and focus on handling.
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Not exactly.
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"Laughs in Caterham" Some of their cars have less horsepower than the GR86, yet they still perform well.
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"Toyota simply rebadged BMW Z4's." Not really. In fact, both BMW and Toyota developed a more purpose-built platform based on the former's CLAR just for the two cars.
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Its competitor is the Cayman (Boxster for the Z4) and (in Europe and Japan) the Alpine A110.
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https://www.supramkv.com/threads/toyota-supra-and-bmw-z4-sales-figures.2061/
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@pablos3563 - the LFA is well-tested at the German Nurburgring, a track where it doesn't discriminate. It even raced at the 24 hour events held there.
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@pablos3563 - execpt not quite the whole story. Anyway, back to the 'all Asian cars are crap' thing, what manufacturer powered McLaren's championship wins back in the late 80's and early 90's?
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Mazda's doing fine with their MX-5. Even Britain's renowned Caterham is kicking butt way below 300hp with their lightweight bodies (same can be said for some of their models with less than 200hp).
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Not really.
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Not everyone here prefers AWD. They want to either do try to be the hometown Drift King or breeze past the corners. Apples-to-oranges comparison here.
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Not quite the whole story. The manual was hinted well before the Z.
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A minivan won't be able to catch up with the car if driven on a twisty road.
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Do not ask for more luxury. This is a (relatively) budget-minded sports car.
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The SupraMKV forum did a dimensions comparison between the J29 and A80. The former's not just a bit shorter, but also a bit wider than the latter. Besides, hasn't Papadakis confirmed that the B58 engine can be tuned to at least 1000hp?
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That's more of a common myth. It happened mainly due to customer demand.
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Is it really a con considering that the manga has been around for quite a while? Wouldn't be surprised if the anime follows what Initial D's did and introduce the newer model later down the road.
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They explicitly said that the Supra needs a straight-6. Not much else other than the Japan-exclusive straight-4 variant.
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Not really, if you know what you are doing and what the car is designed to do.
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7 cars are recalled.
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Uh, both cars aren't JDM if not meant to be sold in Japan and built to Japanese rules and regs.
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Is it really just a rebadge, considering that the two cars don't share a platform with any existing ones BMW made?
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Not quite. While people say that the Z pushed Toyota to add the manual, that wasn't the whole story. Customers demanded for the transmission; problem here was that Toyota engineers don't like the feel of BMW's. So they took a while.
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It actually makes sense in the US considering that the regular Yaris isn't sold there anymore.
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Regular 3.0 models will get the manual.
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Not actually Subaru's idea to build a RWD car (that's Toyota's). Plus, they initially did not express interest in developing the car.
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Have you ever heard of the 86 GRMN? That's pretty much a glimpse of what a hotter Supra variant could possibly be.
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Doesn't need that much horsepower considering the weight and CoG.
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A "girl's car" that is tested and raced at the Nurburgring with CEO Akio Toyoda at the wheel, won the DTM Trophy driver's championship with Tim Heinemann, won the Formula Drift championship two times with Fredric Aasbø... That's too far from being a "girl's car".
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I mean, the Supra started out as a higher end Celica trim before splitting starting from the Mk.III (A70). Edit: Words
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The Supra is RWD.
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Mazda's FC RX-7 would like a word.
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Nope, 2000GT successor.
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And how heavy is that Camry?
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@seawolf_USA - 0-60 won't mean much when there is a tight turn.
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Look at Toyota's 2000GT and compare it to the current Supra.
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Mazda and its Miata: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
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No. Keep it RWD.
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"plust an awd would be faster and better on the track /:" - hate to break it, but a good chunk of race cars don't use AWD.
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