Comments by "Bella Adamowicz" (@bellaadamowicz8380) on "The SHOCKING Real Story of the Dresden Firestorm" video.
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@wolfgangpagel6989
Luftwaffe bombings in 1939 , during the siege of Warsaw , 30 thousands people died .
In 1940 in London Blitz 45 thousands people died . Belgrade In 1941 20 thousands people died , I. 1941 the duty of Minsk was burned down, Leningrad , Odessa ,were bombed . No reason In , 1944 , 1945 to complain of been bombed .
That is how Germans decided to fight, total war, if you sow a wind , you reap a whirlwind . It always surprises me to hear German complaining about bombings of Dresden, Hamburg . I think Germans were very lucky, that the atom bomb was not used on Germany.that was an amazing luck !
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@snookums01
You can guess why , don’t you ?
Activities[edit]
The Arajs Kommando unit actively participated in a variety of Nazi atrocities, including the killing of Jews, Roma, and mental patients, as well as punitive actions and massacres of civilians along Latvia's eastern border with the Soviet Union.[2] The Kommando killed around 26,000 Jews in total.[4] Most notably, the unit took part in the mass execution of Jews from the Riga ghetto, and several thousand Jews deported from Germany, in the Rumbula massacre of November 30 and December 8, 1941. Some of the commando's men also served as guards at the Salaspils concentration camp.[5]
As can be seen in contemporary Nazi newsreels, part of a documentation campaign to create the image that the Holocaust in the Baltics was a local, and not Nazi-directed activity, the Arajs Kommando figured prominently in the burning of Riga's Great (Choral) Synagogue on 4 July 1941. Commemoration of this event has been chosen for marking Holocaust Memorial Day in present-day Latvia.
The unit numbered about 300–500 men during the period that it participated in killings of the Latvian Jewish population, and reached up to 1,500 members at its peak at the height of its involvement in anti-partisan operations in 1942. In the final phases of the war, the unit was disbanded, and its personnel transferred to the Latvian Legion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicherheitsdienst
Some of them were charged in Australia .
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@jean6872
You welcome to think whatever you think of me , I have no problem at all with Harris the bomber.
It is true , that Stalin demanded the bombings, but it is not even important .
The Germans by killing 45 thousand Londoners and 30 thousand citizens of Warsaw, thousands of citizens of Belgrade ,forfeited their right to complain .
Stalingrad
was bombed heavily by the Luftwaffe during the Battle of Stalingrad in World War II.
The city was firebombed with 1,000 tons of high explosives and incendiaries in 1,600 sorties on 23 August. The destruction was monumental and complete, turning Stalingrad into a sea of fire and killing thousands of civilians and soldiers. Further fire-attacks were mounted against the ruined city for the next two days, enveloping it in dense volcano-like black smoke clouds that stretched 3.5 kilometers into the sky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Stalingrad
Leningrad was heavily bombed endlessly, with thousand of casualties , hundreds of Soviet towns were bombed , no point even to list them.
As I previously said , no point for the Germans to complain in 1945 , if the bombed bombed civilians in Poland, England , Russia , Holland , Yugoslavia.
By February 1945, Dresden was only about 250km (155 miles) from the Eastern Front, where Nazi Germany was defending against the advancing armies of the Soviet Union in the final months of the war.
The city was a major industrial and transportation hub. Scores of factories provided munitions, aircraft parts and other supplies for the Nazi war effort. Troops, tanks and artillery travelled through Dresden by train and by road. Hundreds of thousands of German refugees fleeing the fighting had also arrived in the city.
At the time, the UK's Royal Air Force (RAF) said it was the largest German city yet to be bombed. Air chiefs decided an attack on Dresden could help their Soviet allies - by stopping Nazi troop movements but also by disrupting the German evacuations from the east.
As you see, strategically it was worthwhile .
Germans made many fundamental mistakes, one of the biggest was by attacking the Jews and by chasing Jewish scientists from Germany, Austria, Hungary , Norway , Italy , they escaped to US and built an atom bomb . Most of them were Nobel prise winners , how stupid the Germans were ! Gifted the Americans such assets ! I mean it was just stupidity , even apart from the horrific, barbarism that the persecution of the Jews .
Germany was very lucky , that the allies did not use an atom bomb on German cities, and the allies were lucky those scientists run from Germany .
Germany’s loss was allies gain .
Germans look pathetic when they whine about been badly done by . Every action has consequences, of course when they bombed London and Warsaw in their arrogance , and the belief in their superiority, they could not imagine their women and children would also be terrorised by the bombings . Well, they should have .
All in all , they got a good lesson .
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@GreatPolishWingedHussars thank you for your input , I did not know of such details . Unbelievable . I know from my mother , when they were fleeing from Ukraine from the Germans , she was a little girl, the German pilots bombed their trains , each time they bombed , the train would stop and people run into the fields, Germans pilots could see , there were just women and children, men were taken into the army , yet the pilots also pursued them , and were shooting at those who tried to hide . she said when they started their journey the train was so full with the refugees , that some people were standing, after that attack
there was a lot of empty room, so many left dead in the fields,. Obviously the Germans had the same tactics
to kill as many people as possible, not soldiers just civilians who were running away . Beasts .
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@wolfgangpagel6989 LOL !
I’m not from Poland , but it is irrelevant, that you decided to attack Poland for her shortcomings , only shows that some Germans still have their arrogance . You better reign in your arrogance , it brought nothing good to Germany in the past
I find it very bizarre , that Germans continue to whine about Dresden , Hamburg . Can’t you see how ridiculous you look , if you bombed Warsaw, in 1939 , London in 1940 , what right do you have to complain? You forfeited that right.
You should just feel very lucky that Germany was not atom bombed .
Read what I wrote to Jean, it explains why bombing were entirely justified .
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@jean6872
You haven’t answered , why did Germans bombed the suburbs of Warsaw , London, Coventry , Belgrade , Leningrad , burned Minsk to the ground to such an extent , that ancient city , has nothing left to remind its citizens of the 1000 years history of their town , totally new place , build on the ruins of the ancient town. Stalingrad was totally destroyed by the aerial bombings of Luftwaffe , do you know what happened to its civilians ?
40,000 civilians died , why no concern for them ? Why do you only talk about people of of Dresden ? Germans attacked USSR , but feel badly done by , when the war came to their country . Go figure !
Axis casualties during the Battle of Stalingrad are estimated to have been around 800,000, including those missing or captured. Soviet forces are estimated to have suffered 1,100,000 casualties, and approximately 40,000 civilians died. The Battle of Stalingrad was one of the deadliest battles in World War II.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-Stalingrad
No problem with 40 thousands Russian women and babies burned in Stalingrad?
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@juliancate7089 I agree with you. I’m tired of Germans lamenting how badly they were done by in the bombings of .
Dresden . They all feel it was so unfair . It was fair enough for them making 1400 sorties on Warsaw in 1939 ,- 30 thousands, victims bombing of London were relentless , casualties 45 thousands , in Belgrade in 1941, operation retribution- 20 thousands died , elephant in the Zoo killed, library with ancient priceless manuscripts burned. , endless Russian cities were bombed , the vict
I always thought that the Germans are logical people , it stands to logic to conclude, that if you bombed English, Russians , Poles in 1939 , 1940, 1941 , it is logical to expect them to pay you back .
Is it so complicated ? What right do they have to complain ?cry me a river !
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@GreatPolishWingedHussars it is a big topic, after Nuremberg trials the allies moved on, the Cold War started, Americans tried denazification, but the task was impossible, everything was tainted by the nazism, teachers , judiciary , bureaucracy, so many compromises had to be happen.
Thousands of them came to South America , US did not protest it .
but I refuse to be politically correct , and I call them Germans, because 99% adored their fuhrer .
I think the reason that germans and their sympathisers who write here feel, that they were treated unfairly , is that deep inside they are convinced , that they are superior, and been such pure Arians they deserve to be treated better than Poles , Jews , Russians , Belorussians ext . I believe , that is the reason, ‘ How our beautiful Dresden could be destroyed, it was a gem of Saxony, oh what beautiful buildings, our beautiful churches, our castles . “
What use of their churches, if after 2000 years of Christianity they build camps for torturing people.and making murder like a production line .
I disagree that the Western propaganda was always whitewashing Germans , it is started happening when the political correctness became mainstream. We are not allowed to say that Germans embraced Nazism with the enthusiasm . We always have to remember about the “ Good Germans “
But there are very good books by historians , researches who call a spade a spade . “ Hitler’s willing executioners ‘ , by Daniel Goldhagen, many others .
There was a few years ago , and one can still visit it I believe exhibition. about Wehrmacht and the myth !that Wehrmacht was not involved in atrocities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_clean_Wehrmacht
The myth of the clean Wehrmacht is the negationist notion that the regular German armed forces (the Wehrmacht) were not involved in the Holocaust or other war crimes during World War II. The myth, heavily promoted by German authors and military personnel after World War II,[2] completely denies the culpability of the German military command in the planning and preparation of war crimes. Even where the perpetration of war crimes and the waging of an extermination campaign, particularly in the Soviet Union – where the Nazis viewed the population as "sub-humans" ruled by "Jewish Bolshevik" conspirators – has been acknowledged, they are ascribed to the "Party soldiers", the Schutzstaffel (SS), but not the regular German military…..
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The year 1995 proved to be a turning point in German public consciousness. The Hamburg Institute for Social Research's Wehrmacht exhibition, which showed 1,380 graphic pictures of "ordinary" Wehrmacht troops complicit in war crimes, sparked a long-running public debate and reappraisal of the myth. Hannes Heer wrote that the war crimes had been covered up by scholars and former soldiers. The German historian Wolfram Wette called the clean Wehrmacht thesis a "collective perjury". The wartime generation maintained the myth with vigour and determination. They had suppressed information and manipulated government policy. After their passing, there was insufficient motive to maintain the deceit in which the Wehrmacht denied having been a full partner in the Nazi's industrialised genocide.
In 2020, on the 76th anniversary of the 20 July plot to assassinate Adolf Hitler in 1944, German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer said: "The simple Wehrmacht soldier may have fought bravely, but if his bravery served an ideology of conquest, occupation and annihilation, then it was for nothing".[4]
Read the whole article , i5 is very interesting, that exhibition went to all the large and small towns in Germany , millions of people saw it .
I recommend you to read the whole article about it . About the end of a myth of good and clean Wehrmacht.
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@pjbrawn2646 which good reason, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicherheitsdienst
Activities[edit]
The Arajs Kommando unit actively participated in a variety of Nazi atrocities, including the killing of Jews, Roma, and mental patients, as well as punitive actions and massacres of civilians along Latvia's eastern border with the Soviet Union.[2] The Kommando killed around 26,000 Jews in total.[4] Most notably, the unit took part in the mass execution of Jews from the Riga ghetto, and several thousand Jews deported from Germany, in the Rumbula massacre of November 30 and December 8, 1941. Some of the commando's men also served as guards at the Salaspils concentration camp.[5]
As can be seen in contemporary Nazi newsreels, part of a documentation campaign to create the image that the Holocaust in the Baltics was a local, and not Nazi-directed activity, the Arajs Kommando figured prominently in the burning of Riga's Great (Choral) Synagogue on 4 July 1941. Commemoration of this event has been chosen for marking Holocaust Memorial Day in present-day Latvia.
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@GreatPolishWingedHussars
Agree 100% . I think something is wrong with German logic, if you bombed Warsaw I. 1939 , London, Coventry in 1940 , Minsk, Leningrad, Odessa , Moscow in 1941 , why are they surprised that Dresden was bombed in 1945 ?
Luftwaffe bombed with all their might , and English bombed with all their might , they should not complain that the English Airforce in 1945 was more powerful in 1945, than Luftwaffe in 1939 and 1940 .
Obviously the Germans did not imagine it , well they should have . But when you think what they have done with civilians , murdering millions , I would say, they were very lucky that the allies were so magnanimous.
Hopefully the Germans got a good lesson.
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@GreatPolishWingedHussars I know, Polish pilots were fighting together with the English airforce .
Really can’t stand German whining about bombing , have they imagined , only they could bomb , they did not like it when the boot was on the other side ! Disgusting .
By the way, my mother told , something she never forgot, when they run into the fields and the Germans were spraying them with bullets, she remembers thinking I’m going to die, but I don’t want to die not looking at the sky, so she turned around , and she said German airplane v flying so low , that she could see German gunner was shooting at them and laughing , she said that he was very young , absolutely beautiful, like a movie star
and he was killing them, laughing ,
She never forgot it . The boy next to her was killed , it was a terrible journey, instead of three days to go from Ukraine to Urals, it took them 6 weeks , because of bombings , and general chaos .
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@ralfmoller4125 reparations ? Are you for real ? Do you imagine that money could make any difference ? Reparations were given for the save labours of those who miraculously survived . The lives were destroyed, no money could compensate for the loss of children , parents brothers sisters wives, husbands grandparents , ants and uncles . Even in monetary terms it was 1/1000 of what was stolen , you even took gold fillings from your victims ! And you tell that it is the Jews , who love the money ! No , it took Germans to show their love for money , you took Jewish houses , furniture bank accounts , wedding rings, fur coats , everything and even took gold fillings and hair.
And you talk about compensation ?
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