Comments by "Robert Morgan" (@RobertMorgan) on "Legion Of Men"
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it all goes back to WHY. WHY am I doing this, why am I AMBITIOUS when I have no real purpose to be? Ive started doing a LOT less in life when I applied first principles thinking, it turns out MOST of the things we do in society as people, SO much of the time we spend, is all about families and getting laid. Sex SELLS, and if you stop caring about sex, ALL the selling starts to FAIL with you. Why do I need or want a giant house, to look better to get laid, why do I want a flashy car, to attract pussy, why do I want that better job title and different digits on my paycheck, to brag to women and look better than other men. You start naming all the things you no longer really care about because you see they're only about sex and money, the less you do those things.
You start REALLY thinking what do I WANT, not what does society or other people or what I think other people want, what is important to ME?
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Same for men. Once Facebook hit, it was over in college. FB would get you laid, unfortunately it was also getting everyone else laid too. I remember hooking up with my dorm neighbor in college, hottest woman I've ever been with before or since, and thought wow, I want to pursue this, she's amazing...saw her two days later, her roommate is like "Oh, you want to date her...ehhhhhh, about that...she got with like 3 other guys in the two days since you..."
And she did, she was still logged into Facebook on my laptop, there's the messages, here's guy 2 apologizing for ruining her sheets.
Frustrating. Disappointing.
One night stands that are good suck, it's like you get one single hit ever of this amazing drug, I'd prefer not to indulge if I can't lock it down.
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Dating women abroad was easier in the US if you went to college at a school with a lot of international students, like I did, University of Missouri-St Louis. I knew like 3 women from the US when I went there, hundreds from Europe and Asia though.
Here's what I learned: I'm rich by US standards, on paper, they're WEALTHY by a global standard.
EVERY student studying abroad in the US is from a very wealthy family. I met women who were cute and unassuming, nice even, then I find out her dad is a Chinese PLA GENERAL, that's why despite the one child policy she has a dozen siblings, they're Party Members, they're exempt from ALL the rules. She almost got pulled back to China because her parents discovered she got a JOB, WHY? Do you need more money, why is one of OUR kids WORKING? It's beneath you.
That's just one story lol. The Middle Easterners I knew were a whole other crazy story.
I've never felt more poor as a millionaire American than hanging out with international students.
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I'm 40, I remember back in the day, it was always women being the ones walking around saying hello to everyone, greeting strangers, smiling at people, just being pleasant. Working to make other people feel good just as part of their life. My mother was the type to go out of her way to randomly greet and say nice things to strangers.
I can't count the number of times I left her at a door while I went to get the car, she had trouble walking without pain, and no joke every time I'd be gone a minute tops, I pull up she's met a stranger, bummed a smoke off him, they're laughing, and she's writing down the address of that persons kids to send them baked goods at the holidays because his son is deployed to Iraq right now...I don't think she ever met a stranger, and if she did, she'd be the type to be 'Hey, why are you avoiding me, you have a problem?'
If I had even 10% of the social magic my mom had, I'd probably be a Senator as a man, but no, socially awkward.
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I have 4 male coworkers and there are 9 marriages between them all. The oldest is in his 50s.
They can't figure me out, I'm 40, single for a decade, no kids, no marriages or divorces. I can't figure out how they rack up all of that carnage, hell the one paid half a million in child support over 20 years. And they're with MORE women now, it's insane.
My mom abandoned me at birth, my only real gf left me before we could get married, dumped me at college graduation, so I've been done.
I want a big family, all the women who want me hate kids or are too old. At least I'm wealthy lol.
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@mister-x2 here's the caveat with that, DEFINE FAILURE.
I'll start, I'm 40, I'm a millionaire, I'm debt free, I'm ready and able to retire, and I feel like a failure because I'm single, never married, and childless.
TO ME, success would be having a family, regardless of all that other stuff.
Actual love and commitment, your own kids, I can't buy those even if I become a trillionaire, they can only be real if they're FREELY GIVEN to you.
So before you start predicting failure, tell me what failure IS.
I know insanely wealthy successful people that are called failures all the time.
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In shape, no kids, wants kids, that's attractive before I even look at a photo, that's top 10% these days. If she has kids not interested, if she wants no kids, not interested, before I even see a photo. SOME of us are GOAL ORIENTED and want a future. Having a degree and no kids and no exes is somehow a red flag for women in a man these days. I just want to get married, have kids, so I can retire and be a full time father, homeschooler, and fitness trainer on my farm, and women hate that lol. 2024 amirite?
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I have a coworker, mid 50s, twice divorced, always complaining about his girlfriend, whose house he lives in, whose car he drives, who takes his paycheck...I asked Don, have you tried telling her NO?
He's like, what?....I never thought about that!
He's started talking back to her and things have gotten better lol, I red pilled a guy!
On the other hand, his own daughter is trying to blackmail him for money, but that's a different problem to work on.
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I had a coworker who was in Missouri from Jakarta, Indonesia...he asked why all the women here were prostitutes, I double taked, he explained where he grew up, the only women who smoked were street walkers, a smoking woman was the advertisement she was hooking, so he lands here, in 2006 when people still smoked, at our university and everyone is smoking, so he was weirded out by that, something I'd pay no mind at all to
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$1000/month is what I pay to live in Missouri. I own my house, my farm, and I'm debt free. Food, utilities, insurance, taxes, all that is about $13-14k a year, all told.
I have a farmer grow crops on my land and my share of the profits is about $13k/year.
My money I earn from work is pure profit, and I'm working on getting a remote job now that'll double my income with no more work than I'm already doing.
I'm 41. You can get here, in the US. Cut costs, save, buy dividend stocks.
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OK that's terrifying that nurses like that are SO LACKING in curiosity they refuse to learn how a hospital works. What else are they slacking on?
I had a friend who went to Harvard pre-med, Stanford med school, very accomplished, very prestigious, MD. He practiced medicine for one year and transitioned to concentrating on hospital administration, because, he told me, as a Doctor, I can help one person at a time, thousands of times. As the admin of a hospital that HE runs BETTER than it was, he get's to do ONE change, one time, that helps tens of thousands of patients. He's dedicated his life to helping patients, so his goal was to find the fastest, easiest, best way to help the most people in the most amount.
That meant giving up his dream of being a practicing physician, so be it.
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My rent was a struggle back in 2014 even at $600/month.
So I moved home to the paid off massive farm I grew up on, now it pays me $1000 profit a month averaged from my row crops, soybeans this year. I expect yield enough to feed something like 10,000 people for a year from my harvest (probably in China). That totally covers all expenses for the year, food, utilities, and taxes and insurance.
So I start debt free, expense free, and I work a full-time municipal job as a dept director and water treatment plant supervisor, only $40k after taxes but it's all discretionary, I invest most of it in dividend stocks, so I can retire around 50 at the same current salary in dividend income.
Just gotta make sure I don't do anything stupid like fall in love or some shit and lose it all
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I just got a new coworker, same age as me, 40, and he's retiring from 20 years in the marine corp. We don't get it, it's a dead end job we're all trying to escape from, this guy is gung ho and even says the money doesn't matter, he wants something to do, so we're like great, he got his full retirement pension and now we're his retirement project, fuck.
He's married and anti-children, we're all like if I was him I'd take like 5 years off and live off your free money. He says naw, he's never taken a vacation, won't now, and took home books worth of stuff about the job to read on his own time. WAY too much effort for a $15/hr job.
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The way I see it, if we NEED women for combat, they'll ALREADY be IN combat as everyday life, because if we have to reinforce mainline forces with women, it means we men have been OBLITERATED already and we're desperate. It's Germany in 1945, the fierce main Wehrmacht was gone, the industrial base bombed out, they were filling ranks with all they had, little boys and elderly men, with hand tools and old weapons, because it's all they had left.
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Here's her problem, all her bad B friends, as a man I see that and think they got that, they're fine, they have it handled, they don't need or want me, so I'll go where I AM needed and wanted, OH LOOK, women that are NOT bad bitches that WANT to join up and take my help, how ATTRACTIVE.
My dad told me the reason he was hard on me and most of my sisters, but not one in particular, not because she was his 'favorite' kid or something, no he explained, it's because she doesn't NEED the help. She was the sister that had perfect grades, honor society, was a super-type-A go getter. She didn't NEED him to ride her to stay on track, like the rest of us did, so we got that instead of her. WE were sort of his favorites because we got that extra attention of being underachievers lol. And as an adult she's told me that was isolating, a lot of pressure.
So to me, I see a woman that's super successful, that's great, YOU DON'T NEED ME, YOU GOT THAT, so why would I help you? I'll go help a woman that needs me. Damn sure successful women don't do f one to help their fellow women.
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Depends on the state, f your boss, skip all that union BS, go take a one week class to get your backflow device testing certification, you now have a license to print money.
Find a local city with a mandatory backflow preventer ordnance. Look around, see those HUNDRED THOUSAND HOUSES over there, EVERY ONE needs their backflow preventer certified YEARLY by YOU, for $50 a shot, and the job takes 10 minutes.
If I wasn't running a water treatment plant I'd be doing that right now. I've known guys that had that as their sole business, on their own, $100k cash a year with like $3k startup.
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That hit me first week of college, 2006. Wow, there's women EVERYWHERE...and they might as well not be there because they're all in earbuds, can headphones, sunglasses, I said hey, hi, hi, how are ya, great weather right? to dozens of people with no response before I gave up. It's the Midwest, I'm used to it being way more friendly, welcome to the Big City I thought.
But yeah, I wonder that myself a lot, I spend all this time in the gym closed off, I'm in my own world with noise cancelling headphones, you could be screaming in my face you want to do whatever I want, I won't hear you.
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The sole way I would agree with him is my own situation, actually, I have built up a skillset and license level that's in extreme demand, water treatment, BUT I'm tied to this area because I'm caring for my dad for his end of life, he's 84. I attend to him daily along with working full time.
I make $22.50/hr.
If I could move anywhere in the US, I'd have a $50/hr job tomorrow, and I've been offered that.
If I wanted to leave the US I could make 7 figures consulting, there are entire nations overseas building new water plants for millions of new people, the next century is an industry bonanza.
But I can't access those opportunities currently. If you can move and it's shatteringly more money for the same work, that DOES make sense.
If I could work from home for my same salary that would be a giant raise because I have a 30 minutes one way commute, ditching that would reclaim 30 DAYS A YEAR of just eliminated driving time to and from work, and the fuel cost.
Math, there's lots of it. Cost/benefit analysis should be mandatory education.
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As a child of normal times, I'll be 40 in a month, I learned growing up that the thing about ridicule is participating in it is also a tacit invitation to BEING ridiculed yourself. That was understood. You don't dish out what you can't take. Don't be a clown if you don't want to get clowned ON yourself. And if you're being a cruel asshole to people, that give most people in their mind permission from you, via your behavior, to treat YOU like a cruel asshole, and that should not be a surprise or outrage to you, we learned to realize "Oh damn, they're right, I have been acting like a dick, you were right to call me out. I'M SORRY I ACTED LIKE THAT" and life goes on. No one needs to be canceled, no jobs have to end, no self-deletion necessary.
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I've been living with my 83 year old dad for several years now after his wife, my mother, of 59 years passed unexpectedly. I'm 40 and pretty much given up on family life, taking care of him takes a LOT of time and work, on top of a full time career, so yeah it's like that some days honestly, he's helpless, I get a giant 'sonny do' list from him, and it's like having a spouse with all the work and effort, and zero benefits. He pays me, quite well in fact, but it's not worth what I'm missing out on.
DAMN ME for being a good man and a dutiful son. Here's to hoping a good person eventually helps out my life instead of being a disability in a world that doesn't appreciate dedication and fidelity.
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LOL, as the only brother of six sisters, my old school dad made me kind of despise women. He was a 101st Airborne Ranger, and all they had to do was fake cry and whatever happened had to be MY FAULT because his GIRLS had to be innocent, they're girls. I love all my sisters but they taught me so much about women it makes since I'm 40, single, childless, not really dating.
I've also had a lifetime of hearing them tell me how they treat guys behind their back, and that was an education, wow. Women are terrible, I hear it from men and women.
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OnlyFans has been my thinking problem, because I grew up as an 80s baby, ALL that matters is the MONEY. You work 100hr a week for $100k/year, admirable, but if you can work 20hr a week for millions, who's the loser? Output is the only metric that matters.
If you can work less and make more, fuck, I have to respect you more because you HAVE THE RESULTS. You got giant arms doing some training that seems ludicrous, ok but they have the proof, so guess we're getting ludicrous and swole lol.
It's probably unhealthy but if you make more money, if people are willing to willingly give you more, then I have to respect you. Attorney quits and joins OF and 5x their earnings, shit, good work.
If I quit my 40hr/week $18/hr job and got something else making $36/hr 20hr a week, I'd feel like a huge winner, same pay for half the work, fucking fuck yeah.
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It always amazes me seeing all these people who PROUDLY can't, don't, won't cook. Everyone I think I've ever known fell into one of two groups, people who can cook, and people who admire them because they can't cook. I've never, not once, had a single other human say "Oh, you can cook? Haha what a loser!". It's instead almost always interest, oh hey I like to cook too, what do you like to cook, and then you talk about food for, like, 20 years. I have friends like that, humans have bonded over food perhaps more than any other activity because we all have it in common. Cook or not you have to eat.
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Every time I call in a contractor to do work on my water plant, it kills me to see them doing something on my job making $110/hr (electrician for example) while I'm directing them making $18/hr, all getting paid by the same taxpayer.
Guy came in and changed a valve and electronic actuator for us, one day job, 8hrs, $12,000. I saw the quotes, I know what the materials cost, so I know half of that was their material and labor markup, and of course there was behind the scenes work they did, sourcing, ordering, machining even, but it sucks seeing them do one job we see as kind of small this sole prop services guy made 6 MONTHS of my salary on this one job for us, and he does a lot of jobs for us.
Thinking about seeing if I can go work for them...
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Life Rule; if you can AFFORD to travel internationally AT ALL, you are unconcerned with food costs lol. I learned this in university, no foreign student in the US is poor or working class, it was my experience that only the wealthy or the state sponsored travel to and study in the US. I'm talking "Hey we're going out later, should I get $5k or $10K cash from the bank for the bar" kind of wealthy. Meanwhile I was a local Missouri farm boy living on student loans and what weed I could sell, to them mostly lol.
But yeah, them THEM, 'going home for the holidays' was taking 30 hour flights that cost more than my semester tuition, to visit a few days and do it again coming back. My Kuwaiti roommate even smuggled me back real Cuban cigars from a state store back home, would not take payment for them, 'Eh, they were only like 100KD..."
100 Kuwaiti Dinar was like $500 dollars at that time, I was making half that a week at my student job, and he's giving like that as a gift.
I just laugh at people taking what would be considered by most a trip of a lifetime, and nickel and diming the experience.
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@dedasalmeida9047 I see dating apps now that list 'A few extra pounds' higher up the weight scale than 'curvy'.
I'd consider 'A few extra pounds' just that, she should be 120, she's 132 lol. Curvy to me is she should be 120, she's 180.
June 2021 I was 305lbs, June 1 2023, I'm 208lbs, and I'm still a total fatass dispite being down 100lbs and near a 'normal overweight weight'.
For context, ROCKY BALBOA as heavyweight world champ, 5'11" and 200lbs.
I know a LOT of men who are 5'11" 200lbs, and they don't look like Stallone lol, body composition is key.
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I had a woman challenge me the other day because I said I don't consider divorced women single, they want to know why, I say because you got married, that's a lifetime commitment wether YOU believe it or not, I Do, you have a husband already and I don't date taken women. They didn't like that.
I'm not married because I don't believe in divorce, so it would have to be perfect for me to marry, because marriage is forever. My father lost his wife in 2020, my mother, married 59 years.
He states he's still married because their vows were until death did US part, not one another. Way he sees it he's married until he dies.
I agree.
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Part of the POWERFUL cultural bonding experience we've had as humans around food for thousands of years is in sourcing and preparing it. EVERYONE was invested in the meal you're sharing, and everyone knows it.
I grew up on a farm, I've known the name of what I'm eating lol, I named them, and I did great, they're tasty. SOOOO much more goes into an EXPERIENCE if you go shopping for an upcoming meal together, choose stuff together, prepare it all and cook together, then eat together, it's so much better than just food appears, let's eat, ok now on to something else. Notice there's a lot of TOGETHER in there, because it matters.
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I can't speak to it, but as a bi guy I know it's gotten pretty easy to just see women as fun placeholders, lol, because I have practice in absolutely meaningless truly no strings stuff with guys, it all kinda starts to lose 'value' after a point because you know, guy, gal, whatever, there's always another one behind them, and it's all more or less the same.
But yeah, it's hooking up, not dating. To me, if we're Dating, I'm having weekly dinner with her family, we might be vacationing as a group, dating is vetting for marriage.
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Last time I ran my expenses for a year it was $13,000 all told.
That's taxes, gas, power, propane, phone, starlink, food, water, exterminator, and including all insurance.
The crops my neighbor grows on my land bring in about $15k so already profitable.
And I NET $110k/above that.
Still alone and mostly miserable lol.
I'm thinking about starting to work for myself farming.
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My younger sister and her husband got a Goldendoodle and it was their fur baby for like the first year they were married. Fast forward to their first kid being born, hardly saw the dog after that. Second kid was born, oh you guys still have a dog, I didn't know lol. They used to bring the dog to visit grandpa, not anymore. When they'd have house parties the dog was all over, now it's locked in a back bedroom until the party is over.
I love my sister and my nieces, I'm a big brother, I'm always lurking in the shadows in case I have to jump in front of a bullet, but I feel sorry for the dog, it doesn't know it's basically furniture at this point, it's just a goofy fun loving dog.
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Fun trick, a single mom hits on you, get her full name and look up her divorce court proceedings, its public record. Get her exs name, oh look he recently got arrested, which means he's not paying child support at the moment, OH LOOK shes new on the apps, looking to replace that revenue er I mean find a father for her kids that are her world....
Do the research, men. If I was buying a car or a house I'd research as deep as the hole went, any woman is far more expensive, so the research should be as extreme as you can make it, bare minimum.
I pull credit scores too.
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For real, I have a large family, we're close, and honestly that KEEPS me from dating a lot as a man, because I have siblings to take care of and talk to and work with. It's friday, I'm bored, are my older sister and her husband also bored, let's cook dinner together, drink, watch movies, and talk late into the night. We do that ALL the time and it's great.
If I could just get that with someone who also wanted me sexually, and I wanted and enjoyed them, that would be even better, but let's not get TOO ambitious lol. And that's turning DOWN invites from other family to go do other stuff. My siblings are always all over the place. I guess when someone never had that it can feel lonely.
I'm not lonely really, I just want to get laid. I have needs.
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I work in Missouri USA for a municipal employer, I get 160 hours a year of vacation, with 140 I can carryover.
Last year I got in trouble for having 212 hours of vacation time OVER my base 160, so I had like 370-ish hours, 48 days, and I had to use them in 6 months, BUT, BUT I had no one to cover my shifts AND my being gone could not affect operations because I'm the department head.
So instead of taking days off which I could not do, I had to reduce to 4 days a week, and 6 hours each day, and REALLY work f-ing HARD to get my 10 hour shift worth of work done in that 6 hours. It was actually more stressful.
I had asked they just cash in all that time and cut me a check for it, but no, it's a BENEFIT, not compensation, you have to USE it. Sigh.
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That's where you have to start getting agnostic about the job and the money.
Example: Policing, pays $24/hr, somewhat valued, somewhat liked, lots of risks, lots of stress.
Cashier at Target, Pays $21/hr, zero stress, zero people trying to kill you daily, little responsibility, you're not hated lol.
At that point you have to ask, is all that comes with that extra $3/hr worth all that for that $3/hr.
Hell no usually. What if a job shoveling shit all day at toilets offers you $30/hr, should you take it?
Objectively hell yes. It's not a prestigious job, but fun fact, I tried, they can't do shit with likeable or prestigious or fulfilling at the bank. I can't buy stocks from my broker with accolades.
The purpose of working is the MONEY.
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Am I alone in thinking a 'submissive woman that follows your lead always' sounds like a GRIND, great now I have to take care of HER TOO, in addition to everyone else depending on me, counting on me, holding me accountable, I have to do that all day THEN do it more at home, f-ing sigh.
How about a submissive chick that's also able to handle things on her own under my supervision? If she needs my constant leadership, that's not peaceful. That's being at work. I go home to get AWAY from being The Man that's in charge and everyone is constantly asking what to do.
Leadership in the way that word is used now is slavery. You have to watch everyone always and tell them what to do, no.
Leadership to ME means I'm so far ahead of everyone else on my OWN course that I'm alone, because you either keep up or get left behind.
I always thought the point of marriage was a sanctuary away from the world and it's problems, OH MAN the outside world is horrible and fucked, good thing the REAL WORLD, my household, has zero issues or problems and is a safe place we've built for ourselves, that's the dream. Home should be an ESCAPE, not something you want to escape FROM.
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OR, he opens it immediately, says to her 'opening up' "Yeah, I get that. How about a week from next Saturday?"
Show her you're responsive, but still too busy for her. I have the time, just not for YOU right now.
THAT will mindfuck her.
OR OR, And I do this, straight up tell her "No, I have other dates planned, but if those fall through I'll get back to you.".
It runs her off, good, you didn't want her anyway right?
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"When I die, any debt I accumulate dies with me"
HA. tell me you've had no death in your family without saying it.
Fun fact, when you're married all your spouses debts become YOUR debts, when a parent dies, they'll come after what was left to you.
THE SOLE WAY TO DO WHAT YOU SAY is to die completely alone, with nothing. No one to go after and nothing left for them to lose. Also no insurance.
Fun fact, your life insurance goes to expenses first, out of a $20k policy on my mom we got like $2k back after funeral, transportation, storage, headstone, burial plot, because that check goes to the funeral home first...
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Ah, I see he's 28, you're right, it needs to run it's course. It's the perfect time to learn the man lessons of how 'love' is a specific chemical reaction which is predictable and perceptable. Logan is in good enough athletic ability I know he's better at biofeedback than I am, and I'm pretty good, with experience and awareness you can start to see "Hmm, my body feels anger, sadness, rage, all the emotions have corresponding physical states. Awareness is the first step in controlling it.
I'm sure in a fight he's very aware of his body state and what's going on, he needs that in regular life.
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I'm so happy I rediscovered playing outside at about 38, it saved my life. I was 305lbs, now I'm 190 and trail running 8 miles an hour, jumping, climbing stuff. I realized one day going into the gym that I was EXCITED to exercise, it felt like going to the park as a 10 year old, oh boy this'll be so FUN first we're going to run, then lift stuff, and bike, probably row, can we run some more can we?
Rediscovering my youth also makes a lot of people around me look old and boring. I'm only 40, lets live lol. And maybe not have the 20 beers or drinks to be able to chill lol.
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All the things I actually WANT, that I have AMBITION for, are free, in fact it's impossible to purchase them. So more money is not a benefit for the things I want.
A partner, kids, loyalty, integrity, care, 'love', none of those can be actually bought, not the real versions. They can only be GIVEN to you.
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I'm 40, and my biggest life lesson is money doesn't matter. I have all the money I could ever want. I could retire today and be fine for a century.
All the things I actually WANT, that I have AMBITION for, are free, in fact it's impossible to purchase them. So more money is not a benefit for the things I want.
A partner, kids, loyalty, integrity, care, 'love', none of those can be actually bought, not the real versions. They can only be GIVEN to you.
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I will put my sister up as an example, she is an actuary, has her actuarial science degree, and as a freshman in college she had an INTERNSHIP full time that paid $19/hr. That's $39k/year in college, private school, full scholarship.
Now she's 30, looking at house #4, a trust banker at UMB, and will probably retire before 41 year old me does lol.
Pick a specialty with insane growth and start in early is the key. She was getting financial mathematics white papers published while she was in high school, and playing on multiple school and private softball teams, and for a while there she could bench 185.
Some people I think are just more motivated than others.
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whereas we men have the opposite issue, I go into therapy ALREADY CONCEDING that I am the problem, WTF would I be in therapy for OTHER people lol, their therapy is their responsibility.
The problem is we're there for a FIX for our problem. I don't need to be seen or heard out, that's already been DONE, I did all that BEFORE therapy.
Like, I TRIED to rebuild my engine myself, and I could not so here I am at the mechanics with a check, FIX IT.
Oh you can't fix it, then wtf am I here and why did I pay you?
That's the difference. It's about purpose. If I'm there for a reason and we cannot fulfill that, it was a waste of resources.
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@HollAnna you fail to understand the fundamental fact: men divide women into TWO groups and only two groups, f her and keep her, or f her and leave.
That's your two options. That's all any man ever considers, I want to bang her, that's a given, thats the point, the goal.
Know that.
It's the after that's on you and your behavior. We will bang any women, but it's up to YOU to act in a way that gets us to stay.
Women are great at fuckin every man on earth, you're terrible at keeping just one.
When you can bang no men and keep at least one you are, NOW you're a WOMAN, not a recreational use only girl.
If you don't learn that sorting program, you'll never keep a man.
You're either tonights entertainment, or I want you for life, there is no middle ground, there are no shades, that's the reality.
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@HollAnna also, just because SHE wants to bang on the first date doesn't mean HE has to, telling her no to sex that fast will make her obsessed, because no man before could resist her perfect 10 vag, right?
Women love being told no by men, they see it as a challenge, especially when men turn them down for sex because sex is all those women can offer, it makes them feel worthless she couldn't get him in her pants. And you know this, you're a woman.
I'd get you so turned on, then end the date, tell you to wait until later, you'd be crazy from that. So predictable.
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Ike Dyson wrong. My friend is going through divorce number three, he's not losing anything because it's all in his name, and it's all underwater. Like he said, she wants the house, she wants her Camaro, she wants his Expedition, TAKE THEM, she's unemployed and that's like $300K in debt in his name only. She refused to take any of it. They had no kids other than the several they each already had.
So yeah, women lose sometimes.
Or, like my Bro in law, his last wife kidnapped his two kids and moved to England. He hasn't seen his kids in THIRTY YEARS, there is no parental abduction extraction between our two countries.
He has great grandkids he'll probably never meet. Zero risk to her.
It goes both ways.
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As a single never married PERSON, you tell me you're divorced I instantly JUDGE you harshly, man or woman, because there's millions of chances not to marry someone, and you missed them all. It astounds me seeing people get married when they've only known each other for years or so, you need decades to know someone that well.
And yes there is a Black Swan factor too, if you do some major event ONCE, the likelihood it happens again goes WAY up. You divorce once, the chances it happens again are extremely higher. Just like if you cheat once, it makes it easier again. once you cross that line, you can't cross back, so be REALLY sure you want to.
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I won't even bang vaxxed people, and neither should you, so why would I passport bro? Every foreign women is unavailable due to the policies of my government. It's why passport broing was an early cross off my list, why spend hundreds of thousands to import a 50/50 chance, I could lose everything here for way less work, money, or effort.
Also, consider this: US citizenship is a gift far bigger than anything you could give any wife, she could naturalize, divorce you, then chain-sponsor her entire family to immigrate, costing your countrymen out of pocket. It's a giant risk. I have friends who passport bro-ed in the 80s, with a 100% divorce rate, one was my brother in law who's second wife divorced him, abducted his two kids, one from a previous marriage even, and went to England. No extradition for family matters, neither he nor his first wife have seen their son for decades, he has great grandkids he has and will probably never meet. And like he told me, that's why you never get married, and sure as hell don't marry anyone with a built-in international escape plan. He has zero legal recourse.
When they lived together in England (he was in the air force), she'd constantly get him harassed by the local police, which of course got him in trouble with the US military too, because as a non-citizen married to a citizen, he had little to no rights, basically just another immigrant to their system, so that's also something to look out for, just like in the US, if you're a citizen, you do enjoy certain rights and privileges denied to a non-citizen, and in some foreign nations that can be an extreme difference.
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Marriage is the most submissive thing any man can ever do, how do we not see that? I'd be vowing to forsake four billion women and only be with her, for life, to give her the world, to give up my life if needed, and counting on them to give me healthy kids that survive into adulthood, that's a LOT OF SUBMISSION. That's a lot of RISK.
You have to make it worth all that, by forsaking 4 billion other men and only want and be with me, to accept the world, to take my life if needed, to do what you can to have and raise our healthy kids. If I met the right women, I'd retire to be a full time father when we had kids.
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@Krep45 problem is this, under US law, ONLY PERSONS are subject to criminal law.
If you eliminate corporate personhood they'd become absolutely above the law. You could only punish and get compensated by individuals, so the guy who dumped the waste, prison, the guy who ordered it, maybe prison, the corporation, zero liability, because it's not a person. This is a concept going back to the 1500s.
Laws only apply to people, so everything you want subject to the law must be a person, or they're above the law.
Even the United States itself is a person, it's considered as the personal embodiment of all us citizens, We The People
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Don't worry, in 10-13 years it'll still feel about the same, sorry I don't have better news.
In my case I did get a nice update recently that she was divorced by the guy she left me for, and she lost everything except their 3 kids, so now she's homeless, 38, min wage job single mom.
Oh well, SHE choose that. I'm just chilling over here still single with my 100 acre compound that's paid off, laughing, feeling sorry for her kids I wanted with her that are now cursed to growing up in a poor broken home, damn, now I'm hating her more doing that to those kids, im an adopted orphan so making your kids pay for your choices triggers the F out of me.
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Also, I went full carnivore two years ago, down 110lbs, deadlift past 300lbs, run 6 miles a day, better shape at 40 than I was at 18, when bread and soda was my diet.
Meat is food, fat is fuel, grain is poison, vegetables are seasoning, sugar is heroin.
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Because to 'those people' the world is just horror. Patriarchy, racism, government control, sexism, -isms in general, how can you be happy when 8 billion people are VICTIMS?!?!? How can you have a happy life when so many people are OPPRESSED! You have to crusade for them!
If you keep to yourself and live YOUR life, like a normal person, NO, that's complicity, you alt-right naxi dragoon!
But yeah, for them life is pain, so how could someone be painfree?
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I bet if you put 10 men that are between 5'9" and 5'11", and told a chick to pick which one is over six feet, she's wrong EVERY time.
It's why I just LIE. I'm 5'9", I say I'm 6', if she can actually use a measuring tool to catch me, one that's impressive, and 2 what a psycho to care that much, I'm out.
It would be like "I won't date anyone over 120lbs" but if she's fine, wants me, and is 122lbs, can I even tell the difference? Does it matter?
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@boogermaiden that's the point, women can choose for themselves, and those horrendous choices are now affecting all of culture and society negatively. You give a new CEO the power to run the company, and they not only ruin the company but blame all the people who gave them said power, and demand how we could let them get away with all their horrible choices, it's our fault for putting them in charge, You TAKE that power AWAY from that CEO hopefully prior to too much damage being done.
Gender is irrelevant, EVERY person SOLELY makes their own choices, there is no one on earth that can make your choices for you, and no one on earth but you is responsible for your choices, including your dearth or abundance of choices available. Having choices IS a choice. Make it.
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If I'm making millions, I'm BUYING women, not picking them up, lol. And that's what happened to all these chicks bragging about it.
They get propositioned by a billionaire, they see that as a compliment and are excited, let's GO, blow him in the private jet, champagne, coke, who-hoo!
If a REAL woman had that happen, she'd be outraged. A real high value woman would refuse that immediately, because she's not for SALE, FOR ANY PRICE.
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It's funny, dad bods:
When I think of a dad bod, I think of one of those police firefighter fundraiser calendars where all the guys are giant ripped bodybuilders.
Because a dad needs to protect kids, they have to be in peak shape. When you're single, eh, so what, get fat, you got no woman or kids, why be in shape?
Take back the dad bod. When someone says dad bod I see Chris Hemsworth in my head.
Because that's how I remember my own dad.
Just like how I remember my Labrador retriever being the size of a horse, and I did ride him, but I was 5, and yes Mike was a big dog, he wasn't giant, it just seemed like he was because I had skewed perception blurred by 35 years of memory degradation.
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I have to ask, if they're super losers for going across the planet to get $50 sex, does that make me sitting in Missouri jerkin it, single for the last 15 years, better somehow?
That's the bottom line. If it's legal and makes that man happy and he can afford it, buy that motorcycle, buy that house, buy a harem of women and traffick them to the US, do that trip you want, you're a MAN, you do whatever you want.
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Exciting, my current overall goal is hitting my own personal 'escape velocity' amount of savings runway that'll excede my remaining life years, and I'll be out. I'm debt free, own my own land and home, already basics set for life, so I'm finally living the American Dream: working by CHOICE. Until I choose differently. I'm pro-choice like that.
Men, think about what you WANT, think about your GOALS, is what you're doing going towards that, if not, change it.
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I'm 41, I've never really seen an attractive women. Not in the way I see other men who literally look and go tongue out omg it's a woman and start panting, she's like a 3, and chubby, and and and.
I'd love to get married and have all the kids, I'm rich and handsome.
I'd ask any woman that excited me into my life, if that ever happened.
Do better women. That's all I can say.
Whatever happened to you being seductive or female lol? You lost your edge. I have 6 sisters, I know women always choose their man and make him be theirs, that's what I understand about you. Seen it too often. My own mother had to ask my dad out 4 times before he'd give her the time of day. 59 years, 7 kids, 2 grandkids, 2 great grandkids.
That's my bare minimum, Step up.
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Same age, I've always seen it the opposite, man having a wife and kids and that stability would be amazing, no worrying about not having a future, having to keep finding women, continuing my line, all Handled, done, life goals achieved. NOW id be able to start living for the now that the future is secure.
That's why I feel empty and bored alone, single, never married, no kids.
What's all this work for, to make me happy, that's kind of selfish and small. So I started doing charity work and fundraising volunteer work for veterans charities.
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Those excuses won't fly with me, I work 45 hours a week, I care for my 82 year old dad full time, and my house is spotless, laundry done daily, dishes done as used, everything a place and everything in it's place. I'm 39, this is how things have to be in my home.
If I can maintain that with NO HELP right now, I EXPECT things to be EVEN BETTER with help. SO, if they're NOT, there's a problem.
If you add something to a system that works, and there's a problem, you have to remove that disruptive addition.
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And at least one of them will be from a gay man hitting on you.
For me, it was a younger black man cashier at Walmart, ringing my stuff and he stopped, looked me up and down, loooked me DEAD in the eyes and said 'Honey, you're WAY too cute to be lookin' THAT sad, what's wrong? You can tell me..."
And proceeded to have a few minutes of actual open and honest talk about the bad place I was in, and I felt better leaving.
I never felt like he was trying to bang me, it was a rare moment of being genuinely CARED for, he saw another person visibly hurting and thought no, I have to do something, even if it's just asking.
It worked because that was over a decade ago and it instantly returns to mind.
You have the ability to make noises with your mouth that causes other people to have different chemical reactions happen in them and change their whole state, if that's not magic I don't know what is.
Use your spells for good.
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my coworker, 55, two horrible divorces, constant strife with the GF he lives with, and I asked him if all that is worth it for p-ssy.
Next day he said he was thinking about what I said, HE'D NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, he says. His whole life being single and not getting laid was death, he had that mindset. He can't conceive of how I'm 40 and been single like 13 years, not even dating. I got so hurt I can't be with anyone yet. He's torturing himself, complaining, I'm like is it worth it JUST for vag? He'd never had that thought, wtf? @EffWriteOff.
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It's also a skewing depending on what environment you work in. In my workplace, it's 101%+ male, having a bachelor's AND an industry cert it takes a decade to get is the NORM, that's entry level...when you're constantly surrounded by competent, accomplished people, you tend to assume people around you are competent and accomplished.
So when I go on dating apps and see the single moms my age struggling, I just can't relate.
What do you mean you're 30, have a MBA from a good school, but you're bankrupt and working part time at a wine store, living at home?
I guess I'm spoiled by my siblings, 4 sisters, all very accomplished, strong people I'm always trying to keep up with.
Just expect more.
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