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Comments by "Bruce Tucker" (@brucetucker4847) on "Testing Joe Rogan‘s JFK Bullet Theory" video.
Why is the pink mist in frame 313 of the Zapruder film clearly flying forward and up from JFK's head? But some of it flew in pretty much every direction. Given the size of the exit wound, my guess is that the hydrostatic shock from the supersonic bullet inside his brain caused his skull to shatter upwards (where it was nearest to the track of the bullet) before the remnants of the bullet, which fragmented, exited the skull. it wasn;t the back of his skull she was retrieving, it was part of the top.
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The fatal problem with the Mortal Error hypothesis is that it requires us to believe that someone fired an unsuppressed AR-15 from within the motorcade and not a single one of the hundreds of people present in Dealey Plaza saw or heard that shot being fired. If you've ever been around an AR-15 being fired and not worn hearing protection you'd realize how absurd that idea is. It's not a particularly powerful gun but it is a very LOUD gun due to the high muzzle velocity and pressure compared to something like the 6.5mm Carcano. Literally everyone in the plaza would have jumped half out of their skin and immediately turned to see what made that noise. This is also a problem with the grassy knoll gunman theory: a number of people were very close to where the shooter supposedly was and none of them could clearly ID the shots as coming from nearby. At that distance the shots would have been deafening and their nearby origin unmistakable. By contrast the witnesses from the TBD (below Oswald) heard the shots from there very clearly and testified that they knew after the 2nd shot that the shots were coming from their building. And no, I don't believe everything the government says, but "the government lies, therefore everything the government says must be false" is patently false and illogical. Even a stopped government is right twice a day. Not to mention, the government is far from a monolithic entity and one thing is is REALLY terrible at is keeping secrets.
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@Nooziterp1 Not really. I can do it with ease, so can anyone who puts in a decent amount of practice. Remember that he only had to cycle the bolt twice since the first round was already chambered, and the scope was a fairly low-power one which makes followup shots easier. Three or four seconds for a followup shot is child's play.
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The bullets used in the assassination were round-nosed FMJ, not soft points. The round nose wouldn't make much difference in terminal ballistics, its main effect is on the aerodynamic qualities of the bullet at supersonic speeds.
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No, it was not. If an unsuppressed AR-15 had been fired that close to the motorcade - in fact, from WITHIN the motorcade - everyone within 50 feet would heave heard it and immediately known where it came from. Not a single witness out of hundreds in Dealey Plaza reported hearing a shot from inside the motorcade. And certainly every one of the Secret Service agents in that car and the adjacent cars would have instantly known what happened. Have you ever heard an AR or M-16 fired very close to you when you weren't wearing hearing protection? It's literally deafening, the high pressure and muzzle velocity make it a very loud gun for its relatively modest power. I'd buy a gunman concealed behind a fence with a suppressed weapon long before I'll believe that someone rocked off a shot from an AR and no one within 50 feet even noticed.
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And the latter does so very neatly. It was one shot.
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@anonymous-q2b5s What makes the Secret Service accident completely impossible is that literally everyone in Dealey Plaza would have seen and heard the rifle being fired, and not one single witness out of several hundred reported seeing or hearing it. The AR-15 is not a quiet gun and without hearing protection hearing one fired 15 or 20 feet away is literally deafening. No way to mistake that for a less loud gun fired from a distance. There is simply no way that gun was fired from inside the motorcade and no one else noticed.
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And who appointed your grandad the ultimate expert on Marine snipers? A lot of people think Oswald was aiming for the torso like he was taught and the last shot was a very lucky high miss. Since he never talked about the assassination we'll never know for sure.
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@gargould7186 Ever been shot? Neither have I, but I know several people who have been. I think it tends to interfere with accurate perception and memory a tad.
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Completely impossible that he fired an AR-15 from inside the motorcade and not a single one of the hundreds of witnesses reported hearing it. The other agents in the same car would literally be deafened and have their ears ringing. There's no way they could possibly mistake that for a gunshot 80 yards away.
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That whopper grows every time its retold. I've never heard the 3-round burst bit before. And of course it's completely impossible. There is absolutely no chance that someone rocked off a round, let alone a 3-round burst, from an AR right in the middle of the motorcade and not a single one of the dozens of people standing very close by noticed. People close by would literally have their ears ringing for minutes afterwards from being that close to an AR without hearing protection. There's simply no way they could mistake that for a shot fired 80 yards away in either direction from a significantly less powerful gun.
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Yes, it did, and yes, he did, and no, it didn't. It wasn't the back of his skull that was blown off, it was the top. There was an exit wound in the back of his head below the missing part of his skull.
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Nope. No way he fired an AR-15 that close and no one noticed. have you ever fired an AR (or been close to someone firing one) without hearing protection? It's literally deafening, everyone within 30 feet would have their ears ringing, but not one single witness reported hearing a shot that close - except the ones on the floor directly under Oswald looking out the window; they said the shots were every loud and they could tell they were from their building.
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@doylemccarther3376 There was a smaller entrance wound ion the back of his head. Read the autopsy report. And you can see the pink mist exploding forward and up from his head at frame 313 of the Zapruder film. That was from the exit wound.
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@lucasoheyze4597 He just needs to use the Paul Harrell meat target.
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@Timberns One of the Secret Service agents just revealed that he had recovered the bullet from the car and placed it on the gurney. Which makes zero sense to me, but that's what he said.
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@nathanmoreau3937 "additional bullets were found in the car" No, they were not. Aside from the "pristine bullet" all that was recovered were small fragments. Probably the ones that came out the front of JFK's skull.
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He qualified sharpshooter. The marksman qual came later after he'd stopped giving a crap about his service. And the car was moving very slowly. As to the accuracy, it's very possible that he was aiming for JFK's torso and missed with all three shots - the last miss being a lucky one that hit the president's head instead.
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@anonymous-q2b5s What makes you think FMJ bullets can't fragment? Whatever makes you think that, you're wrong.
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Were they measuring the hole in the bone or the skin? I suspect the latter. Skin stretches. If you ever shoot paper, which stretches a lot less than skin, you'll see that the hole is smaller than the bullet.
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What makes that theory absolutely impossible is the idea that someone rocked off a shot from an AR-15 right in the middle of the motorcade and not a single one of the hundreds of witnesses reported hearing it. ARs are quite loud and if you've ever heard one close by without hearing protection you'd know that there's no way everyone in the vicinity wouldn't heave heard it and known it came from very close. And at the very least it would require all the agents in that car and the adjacent cars to agree to cover it up, and never make a deathbed confession or otherwise give up the secret in the 60 years since then. Utterly implausible.
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Wrong. Frame 313 clearly shows a pink mist going forward and up out of JFK's head. And you can't stitch up a skull that's been blown off. The autopsy clearly shows that the piece of skull that was blown off was ahead of and above the small entry wound in the back of his head.
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@gargould7186 The House Select Committee? Do YoU bElIeVe EvErYtHiNg ThE GoVeRnMeNt SaYs?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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How did they manage to fire it from a gun that was in Oswald's possession the whole time? And don't say they were the ones who gave it to him, the records show he ordered it by mail.
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It was a very slow moving target and there were no obstructions for the second and third shots. And Oswald qualified as a sharpshooter in the Marines. I only qualified as a marksman (in the Navy) and I could make that shot with ease, and probably in less time than Oswald took. And you don't lose much energy at ~ 80 yards. if it had been 200 yards you'd have a better case, but it wasn't.
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The "pristine bullet" isn't. The photo you showed is the one everyone shows, it's the least altered side of the bullet. If you see the other side it's squashed much flatter.
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I say it was lizard people. And I have exactly as much evidence as you do.
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It's not the one that killed him, it's the one that wounded him in the neck. The one that killed him fragmented and fragments were found in the car and in (what was left of) his brain.
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There is precisely zero evidence for any of that, and one massive, unassailable piece of evidence against it: of the hundreds of people in Dealey Plaza that day, not a single one reported hearing a shot fired from inside the motorcade. The AR-15/M-16 is a very loud rifle, there is simply no way somebody rocked one off and none of the people standing 20 feet away noticed. Stand 15 or 20 feet away from someone firing an AR and don't wear hearing protection and you'll hear how completely impossible it is not to notice, no matter what's going on in the background. Your ears will be ringing for many minutes afterward.
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I trust the US government WAY more than I trust Oliver Stone to get anything right.
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And no one heard the shot that nearby?
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That you were taught some nonsense in school. Don't feel bad, we all were.
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I mean, more like a promotion. He already had a job.
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And I say BS to that. At the very short range he was shooting and the low speed of the motorcade it was absolutely possible. Keep in mind Oswald qualified as a sharpshooter in the Marines.
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You've never done any target shooting, have you?
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They've released the vast majority of the files. A lot of it has been redacted or withheld because it contained personal information that wasn't relevant to the assassination. That's often the case with police investigations. I don't think anything released in the last 20 years has contained anything that really affected the narrative around the assassination.
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@carbonized5114 jack the Ripper is a good example. A lot of what was suppressed was suppressed because the police feared it would spark antisemitic lynchings and/or riots. We can argue about whether that justifies concealing things from the public but it wasn't a nefarious motive on the part of the government, they were trying to protect innocent people, not the killer.
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I don't find it suspicious at all. Most of it has been released and the rest has been redacted because it contains personal info the people involved might not want to be public and doesn't have any bearing on the assassination.
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I say it was a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. And I have EXACTLY as much evidence to back up my claim as you do.
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