Comments by "doveton sturdee" (@dovetonsturdee7033) on "BBC News" channel.

@berniegreen Whether you have heard of Gardiner or not, he was the originator of this nonsense, in his book, Titanic, The Ship that never sank, published in 1995. It was something of a tour de force on the part of someone who never a maritime historian, and had no access to archives or records of the event. Sadly, his co-author, Dan van der Vat, later distanced himself from the book, and confirmed it as a hoax. Actually, your opinion has little relevance. You may choose to believe the fantasies produced in switcher videos, but until you actually examine the existing documents, archives, and records from the period, as I have been fortunate enough to do, you will always be proven wrong by the actual facts. I would be interested to know what evidence you might think might 'point me in the right direction.'
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@fakenewsisthenews3542 Yes. I am sure.
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Have some compassion. People with dementia often pick things up and wander around with them, without actually knowing why, or even what the items are.
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True, but the Olympics were 'huge' by the standards of 1911-2.
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@Rexbuttholes777 'Mabey i know more about it than you' Or, more probably, you have simply swallowed a conspiracist video whole. Certainly you seem ignorant of the views expressed by a number of Liner Captains & Master Mariners at the British Inquiry. Or the actual facts about the bunker fire? Or the irrelevance of the binoculars?
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@Rexbuttholes777 'So why wasn't jp Morgan on it or Rockefeller who said he got held up at customs.' Morgan had a prior appointment at St. Mark's in Venice. It was even mentioned in the newspapers in March, 1912. Rockefeller? What is your source for this allegation? In any case, so what? A number of prominent people also cancelled. In fact, almost as many as cancelled for Olympic's maiden voyage in 1911. I am sure you can explain that, can't you? Only one ship, Californian, actually stopped. The remainder simply continued on course. No one was 'invited' aboard. Passengers of all classes simply booked. Moreover, Astor & Guggenheim never expressed any opinions about the Fed., whilst Straus was actually a supporter. Indeed, his speeches in support were recorded in newspaper articles from October, 1911. Seriously, if you have developed a 'cunning plan' to remove business rivals, would it really involve:- 1). Hoping that they will book passage in the first place? 2). Hoping that the ship will collide with an iceberg badly enough to sink it? 3). Hoping that your targets will simply not leap into a lifeboat and survive? The rest of your post is little more than a crazed rant, of course. Unworthy of a response.
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@Rexbuttholes777 'yes i had heard that also but i believe he had changed his views on it once it became apparent that the currency could be over inflated and was going to be privately owned by foreign bank whos identity was to be unknown.' Where did you hear that from? One of those pesky voices in your head? Aren't they a nuisance? Sorry, being sarcastic. I am sure you will provide us with an impeccable source. 'You have to admit it has some strange situations like the fire right where it hit burning for days, no distress flares but having the white celebration flares that where seen but means nothing to other boats.' The bunker fire was actually well aft of the initial collision point, and had been extinguished around 24 hours before it happened in any case. Oh, and white was the colour for distress flares at the time, because it could be seen at a greater distance. Titanic carried 36 Board of Trade recommended 'Socket Signals' which were white, with explosive heads. For someone with your opinions, you don't actually seem to know anything, I fear. 'water tight doors being left open allowing power to be blown out making it sink hours early than if they secured boiler rooms. That information i just heard recently. Its from rov that took a ride into it. Something else you 'heard?' Do you have a source. Then you might explain why Titanic's crew would wish to speed up the sinking, in view of the unfortunate fact that it was going to kill most of them?
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You mean three 'millionaires.' Astor, Guggenheim, & Straus. The first two had never expressed their opinions about the Fed., whilst the third had spoken in support of it. You have brainlessly chosen to believe a myth invented in the 1990s. Almost as many people cancelled for Titanic's maiden voyage as had for Olympic's in 1911, by the way. Explosion? Do me a favour! How do you explain the large number of survivors who reported an iceberg/ Mass hysteria, perhaps?
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Nonsense. I suspect you are referring to the amateurish CGI images which appeared around 2000? They have no provenance, neither has any exploration team either claimed, nor even referred to them. Don't you think that, if there had been an ounce of credibility to your nonsense, an exploration team might, just possibly, have mentioned it?
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@orion7763 And carried around on the backs of four large Elephants?
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What would be found? Images of a 110 year old shipwreck, slowing deteriorating. That's all.
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Release the Hounds!!
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You should be pleased, as removal prevented you from showing yourself as a total idiot.
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Yes, a scam which loses the scammers £500,000 and their safety record is a really smart one, isn't it?
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Perhaps the CGI isn't quite perfect?
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Don't be an idiot. You have fallen for the nonsense excreted by a fact-free conspiracist video.
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No, it isn't. Just look at the pictures.
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Then you should do a little more reading.
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Apparently it even accordianed on its brief maiden test trial before its departure. an interesting, if entirely invented, comment. Of course, you have no proof, have you? How do you explain Olympic's long and successful career, by the way? Britannic sank because she was mined in the Aegean whilst serving as a hospital ship. Are there many icebergs in the Aegean?
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@frozenflyify 'I read a book on the subject.' Oh good. Why do you people seem to think anything which questions you must be confrontational? You made a false claim about Britannic. I simply refuted it.
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@frozenflyify 'My car is made with high quality steel also but I don't think I'd cross an iceberg field with it.' I have really tried to work out the relevance of this comment, but cannot.
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@frozenflyify 'I read a book on it many moons ago'. Are you sure you simply didn't view one of the half-baked conspiracy videos which appear in places like this? The original designer of the Olympics testified at the British Inquiry that no-one had attempted to interfere with the design. The Olympics had higher internal bulkheads than any other ships of the time, as well as having more lifeboats than Board of Trade regulations required. Probably just as well you cannot remember the name of the book.
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@frozenflyify The lifeboats are relevant because many of those who allege skimping in Titanic's design & construction claim this as evidence of penny-pinching, when it was nothing of the sort. The myth about the connection with the Federal Reserve, claiming that three major financiers were 'removed' to ease the creation of the Fed. dates to the 1990s, but no earlier. There is precisely no supporting evidence. In fact, Astor & Guggenheim had never expressed their opinions, whilst Straus was a supporter, and newspaper reports of a speech he made in October, 1911, make abundantly clear. Incidentally, Astor, Guggenheim, & Straus were not offered free trips aboard Titanic. Again, yet another myth.
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Idiot. Did you enjoy your fact-free switcher video? Much better than the mundane facts, wasn't it?
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He is not the only one. The Chagossians are just as annoyed. The Chagos Islands are not being given up, but are being handed over to a foreign power which has never had any claim to them, but which the Dear Leader wishes to pay vast amounts of money to occupy.
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Really? I thought a number of the 'world's elite' died when she sank?
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If the 'real' Titanic never left Southampton, what was the other Olympic class ship on her way from New York to Southampton at the time of the sinking? Good heavens! Yes, it was Olympic herself, which had been fully repaired after her collision in September 1911, and had been back on her Atlantic run since late November, 1911. You do know that the Federal Reseve plot myth was invented in the mid 1990s, do you? Or that Astor & Guggenheim never stated their opinions about it? Or that Straus was a supporter, and this can be documented? No, of course you don't. You have watched a switcher video, and swallowed it whole.
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@andreabrindesi6526 'it s awesome to tell yourself lies not to see the truth like it is i' ve been in that hell for many years..' I agree, it is awful. You should ask yourself why you do it.
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@andreabrindesi6526 'So if you have documents about it and for the fact that is all invented please let me have real documents..' You are the one making outlandish & absurd claims. Why don't you provide proof of them? A number of people did cancel their bookings for Titanic. But not quite as many as had cancelled their bookings for Olympic's maiden voyage almost a year earlier. What do you think that proves?
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@andreabrindesi6526 'The boat you mean was probably the Carpathia' No, it wasn't. Carpathia was around 58 miles from Titanic. Olympic was 500 miles or so away. The two ships, moreover, were totally dissimilar. Carpathia was a single-funnelled liner, displacing 13,555 GRT. Olympic was a four funnelled liner, displacing 52067 GRT.
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@andreabrindesi6526 It certainly seems to be where you are concerned. Looking at one of your earlier posts, for example, perhaps you might explain the meanings of 'deperting' 'scialups' & 'unaffondable'?
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@andreabrindesi6526 Now I am worried, as I suspect that you are clinically insane. Are you seriously trying to argue that history before 1950 cannot be studied because no one is now alive who was 'there?' What do you think archives, documents, and eye-witness testimonies are? Or do you discount the evidence of the American & British Inquiries because everyone involvec is now dead? 'And the captain did known the boat was going to sank: in fact before the inaugural trip the bells used to inaugurate a new boat didn t sound at all.. This in the Naval world means that the boat has got a problem...' I won't bother to reply to this, as it is utter drivel. In fact, as there is clearly something wrong with you, I won't waste further time on you at all.
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Actually, there was a smouldering fire, caused by spontaneous combustion of damp coal, in one of 19 bunkers. It was extinguished 24 hours or more before the collision, without damaging the bulkheads. at least, not according to witnesses at the British Inquiry, that is.
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The news item yesterday was eager to link the deaths with the Rwanda bill. Whatever the merits of the bill, that was a blatant propaganda move by the 'impartial' BBC.
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Exactly what could 'they' threaten survivors who in many cases had lost family members and most of their possessions, with? Titanic was heading towards the US, & away from Europe, when she sank. Why would she be taking weapons to the US? Don't bother to answer, as the whole idea is cretinous. Have you thought of seeking psychiatric help for your delusions?
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Why would that be? As none of the THREE financiers aboard are known to have opposed the Federal Reserve, although one of them can be shown to have been in favour of it.
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Oh no! All the conspiracy & switch half-wits will be out in force on this one. Just when I thought it was safe to go outside again!!!
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Brilliant! Pay £1.5 million to build a ship, then sink it in order to claim £1 million from the insurers. Not an accountant, are you?
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'UK forces may be deployed to help deliver Gaza aid.' Why exactly? Shouldn't the screechers and screamers at the UN put troops from their own countries where their loud mouths are?
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No, they didn't.
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Or, perhaps, because the ship is a fragile, decomposing, wreck?
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How would sinking a liner bring about the Fed.? The conspiracy theory is as silly as the claim, dating from the 1990s, that Astor, Guggenheim, and Straus opposed the Fed., or the nonsense from around the same date that the ships were switched.
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Yes dear. Of course they did. Now take you medication like a good little chap.
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Nonsense. Who were these 'rivals' and how did he, firstly get them aboard the ship, and secondly ensure that they did not jump into the nearest lifeboat?
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Yes, you are.
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Odd, then, that so many people reported the iceberg, isn't it?
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What information? The images simply show exactly what many other images have shown, but in better detail.
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Morgan never intended to sail in Titanic. He did not 'bail out at the last minute' as you fantasise. There are even newspaper references from March, 1912, to the fact that he intended to be at St. Mark's in Venice. The three financiers who opposed the Fed. cannot be proven to have done anything of the sort. Astor & Guggenheim had never expressed their views, whilst Straus had spoken in support, and his speeches were described in newspaper articles from October, 1911. You appear to have swallowed whole a fabricated claim invented in the mid 1990s.
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Perhaps you rarely encounter people well versed in the facts, and not, as you probably are, simply gullible enough to accept conspiracist nonsense videos at face value?
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