Comments by "doveton sturdee" (@dovetonsturdee7033) on "Big Old Boats"
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@merafirewing6591 No, he wasn't. Try to understand this :-
Morgan’s actual reason for not sailing on the Titanic’s maiden voyage is well-documented. According to Jean Strouse’s 1999 biography “Morgan: American Financier” and Brad Matsen’s 2008 book “Titanic’s Last Secrets,” Morgan was busy trying to ship his vast art collection in England and France by sea to New York’s Metropolitan Museum of Art.
In late March, he hit a setback: a U.S. Customs Office art specialist, sent to London to inspect the shipments, unexpectedly left for the States. Morgan stopped the shipments, asked the art dealer supervising them to meet him in France in mid-April, and sent a telegram to the White Star Line’s president with his regrets: Business would keep him from sailing on the Titanic.
That, incidentally, explains also his intention to be in Venice in late April, before Titanic could have brought him back from New York.
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@fmyoung Alexander Carlisle, who was the original designer of the Olympics until retiring in 1910, testified that no pressure was applied to him to reduce the number of lifeboats. His evidence was that he expected the Board of Trade to increase the minimum number for such large ships, and thus he designed them for, but not with, 48 lifeboats. When no such regulation appeared, the 'with' number was the one applied. Neither Ismay, nor anyone else, was in a position to dictate to designers how to design their ships. Leonard Peskett, who designed the Mauretanias in 1906, included 16 lifeboats. Do you think he was 'persuaded' and by whom?
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@fmyoung Source? If it were true, and not simply the false myth that it really is, how do you explain this?
In February, 1913, American claimants filed multiple lawsuits in the District Court for the Southern District of New York. The White Star Line subsequently petitioned to limit its liability under the Limited Liability Act, which limits the liability of the ship-owner to the value of the vessel and its pending freight, and vests authority in the district court. Under that statute, a ship-owner may limit its liability only if that liability arises without the ship-owner’s “privity or knowledge.” In The Titanic, the White Star Line sought to limit its liability under the statute to $91,805.54—the value White Star had assigned to the recovered lifeboats and pending freight...
...Once a ship-owner petitions for limitation of liability, all other claims in American courts must cease or be consolidated. On June 22, 1915, the trial began with initial consolidated claims totaling $16 million. Interestingly, among the experts consulted prior to the trial was Captain William Turner of the Cunard Line, who gave testimony on April 30, 1915. Turner testified on several matters pertaining to the operation of a large ocean liner including navigation, posting of lookouts, and basic principles of buoyancy involving watertight compartments. The next day, Turner was in command of the Lusitania at it sailed out of New York Harbor and into history.
Eventually, the parties reached a formal settlement on July 28, 1916, for the amount of $664,000. The claimants agreed to end their claims in the United States and England, and they acknowledged that the White Star Line “had no ‘privity or knowledge’ of any negligence on the Titanic.”
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@tjroelsma The problem with these steps is that they are invented. Moreover, they were only invented when Gardiner wrote his book in the 1990s.
Smith, for example, did alter to a more southerly course, and Titanic was never ar full speed. Master Mariners and Liner Captains who gave evidence at the British Inquiry did not question nor criticise his decisions.
The actions of Captain Lord are certainly difficult to explain, but were hardly due to anyone connected with Titanic.
Certainly, a number of passengers did cancel their bookings for Titanic. Just as a similar number had cancelled for Olympic in 1911.
The supposed patch on the ship much touted by enthusisasts in well forward of the affected bunker, and well above the waterline. The evidence give by stoker survivors was that the bunker fire, caused by smouldering coal, had been extinguished around 24 hours befor the collision, and the only damage was to paintwork inside the affected bunker.
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@nosferatut9084 I assume you have a source?
A number of conspiracists have previously made this unsubstantiated claim. They have alleged that 'Titanic's insurance was increased by J. P. Morgan from $5 million to $12.5 million 5 days before her fateful journey'. Some go as far as to state that 'Lloyd's paid out $12,500,000'.
However, Lloyds records do not agree with this at all. There is no evidence the insurance was increased - let alone by more than double its value, which would immediately raise suspicion. Ismay went on public record at the April 1912 United States Senate Hearings and also it was reported in the official public findings that the value of Titanic was "$7.5million" a figure independently verified by the 'New York Times' and 'The Spectator' ("$8 million") while insured at only "$5 million" (as reported at the Senate Inquiry, The New York Times and Lloyds itself).
If indeed Titanic had been insured at the last minute at "$12.5 million," as is alleged by these conspiracy theorists, would this not have raised serious alarm bells in the minds of the insurers at the time, especially if it was part of the public record that the value was "$7.5million"? Quite simply Titanic was underinsured, the main reason being that the White Star Line actually insured its own ships.
Any allegation to the contrary - of an increase - needs evidence, for which at present there is nothing but unverified speculation.
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@of1300 I have read Senan Molony's book. Unlike many, I have also been able to examine his claims. Who were the 'people' who reported seeing Titanic? A Doctor, Dr.Quitzrau (though his name has various spelling variations). He was a steerage passenger but was upgraded when 3rd class became full. When he was seen on the Saloon Deck by a crew member and asked what class of ticket he held, he was ordered from it when he replied that he held a steerage ticket. It is highly likely that Quitzrau concocted the whole story as a means of revenge against the Mount Temple, and went around circulating the story to anyone who listened. Certainly, when the US Senate Inquiry heard of the story, an affidavit was obtained and this confirmed that Quitzrau had seen nothing at all and was just repeating the story.
Or Mount Temple's 4th Officer, Baker, who claimed that she was much closer to Titanic than her Captain stated? Baker had indeed been 4th officer, but was not aboard on the voyage in question. He simply claimed that he had been told this, although the alleged source never came forward.
Molony also failed to mention that Mount Temple and Californian were both ships with single funnels and four masts, when he claimed that Mount Temple had a distinctive appearance.
There was no testimony that Titanic exploded. Only that 'rumblings' were heard late in her sinking.
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