Comments by "doveton sturdee" (@dovetonsturdee7033) on "Oceanliner Designs"
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@haredr6511 Titanic had received ice warnings only, not references to a 'dense ice fleld.' Californian was the only ship which stopped. Carpathia was further south because of her destination, which was Fiume, not Southampton.
Smith had taken other ships, including Olympic, through the same area at the same time of year and, in Olympic's case, at the same speed, on many previous occasions without problems. He had, by the way, altered to a more southerly course.
Therefore, your analogy is totally spurious.
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The switch nonsense is a myth invented by an amateur writer, Robin Gardiner, in the 1990s, and later propagated by a number of conspiracist fantasists, to whom everything is part of a series of huge and evil plots conceived and operated by 'THEM!
In the real world, Olympic was returned to Harland & Wolff, repaired by them in about seven weeks, at a cost to White Star of £25,000, and sent back to sea from late November, 1911.
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Wherever did you get this nonsense from? There was never a 'conspiracy' to cripple, still less sink, Titanic, and certainly not through smouldering fires, which evidence from surviving stokers has proven were extinguished around 24 hours prior to the collision.
Moreover, Olympic had made several further transatlantic crossings since returning to sea in late November, 1911, and at the time of Titanic's sinking was around 500 miles from her, returning to Southampton from New York. Thus, there were two Olympics at sea, both steaming in excess if 20 knots. If one was already seriously damaged, how did anyone manage that?
Captain Lord was never knighted, and SS Californian was almost ludicrously unsuited for the task of rescue ship, given that she was a small freighter already laden with a full, 'mixed, general' cargo. At least according to the Boston shipping papers when she docked there on 19 April. 'Confusion' by the way? Californian's officers saw Titanic's flares, and notified Lord. He simply failed to respond. If the rescue was already planned, why might that have been?
'Captain Smith and some of this lieutenants were aware of the plan and that is why Murdoch gave a nudge to the iceberg (the iceberg could had been avoided easily) ... That is why the boats were lowered half empty/full.' Sorry, but that is simply too idiotic, and too insulting to the memory of decent men who, whatever mistakes any of them may or may not have made, died honourably on the night of the sinking. It is simply unworthy of comment.
'The insurance fraud - switch theory is very compelling and has many confirmed facts behind it to make it real.' What 'confirmed facts' might those be? Please educate us all by elucidating.
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@gokulgopan4397 He cannot. I write as someone who has read the minutes of both Inquiries, which clearly he has not.
As to insurance fraud. Olympic and Titanic, in 1911 terms, both cost £1.5 million to build, and both were insured for £1 million. I an not an accountant, but perhaps someone could explain how losing £500,000 a major asset and a safety record, all at the same time, benefitted anyone?
Except, perhaps, Cunard?!
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This is what I, and anyone who actually knows anything about Titanic, makes of it:-
1). Olympic was not 'beyond repair.' In fact, she had been repaired, and returned to sea from 20 November, 1911, when Titanic was still some five months from completion. The cost to White Star was about £25,000 (at 1911 monetary values), or 1.67% of Olympic's building cost. Morgan didn't pay anything out to have anything scrapped, as he had been dead since 1913.
When Olympic was withdrawn from service, in 1935, after the merger of Cunard & White Star, and at the same time as her old rival Mauretania, she was purchased, for £97,500 and went first to Jarrow for partial dismantling, and then to Inverkeithing, where her hull was broken up. Cunard/White Star did not pay anyone to scrap her. Quite the reverse.
2). Titanic, not Olympic, had around 2,220 people aboard when she sank, which included a full crew of around 900. Nor, of course, was she deliberately sunk.
3). 'Gain about ten million quid from the exercise.' Hardly. The sinking cost White Star a major asset, a record for safety, and £500,000 because Titanic was only insured for £1 million, against her building costs of £1.5 million, again at 1912 monetary values, of course.
The only people who might perhaps have gained anything from the sinking, albeit indirectly, could have been Cunard.
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@michaelnarramore3415 You obviously care, or you wouldn't have posted such nonsense.
The Report on the extent of Olympic's damage, published on 10 November, 1911, was confirmed by teams from the Admiralty, the Board of Trade, and White Star. It made no reference to keel damage at all, only to 'two flooded compartments, a 6-8 feet deep gash in the hull, and a damaged propeller shaft.'
Perhaps you don't know that the first ever suggestion of keel damage occurred in 1995, when it was invented precisely to justify the ludicrous switch claim?
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