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Comments by "doveton sturdee" (@dovetonsturdee7033) on "What If The Titanic Never Sank?" video.
The Hospiral Ship paintwork was specifically intended to be clearly visible to enemy warships, which according to the rules of war were required to give such a ship safe passage. Unfortunately, mines are illiterate.
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Then she is returned to White Star in 1918 or 1919, and is rebuilt to her original layout, as happened to Queen Mary & Queen Elizabeth after WW2. Along with Olympic, she would then have a largely uneventful and successful career until the Wall Street Crash and the subsequent depression resulted in her withdrawal from service in the early 1930s.
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Britannic was sunk by a mine whilst serving as a hospital ship in the Mediterranean. What makes you think Olympic was sunk?
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Much like her older sister Olympic. A trooper in WW1, remaining in service until 1933/4, then scrapped at the same time as her old rival, Mauretania.
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@treystephens6166 Yes. When the British Government required Cunard and White Star to merge, the older ships from both, Olympic and Mauretania, were withdrawn from service. That was 1934/5. Titanic would have fallen into the same category. It was the price paid for the financial bail out which made possible the completion of Queen Mary and the building of Queen Elizabeth.
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The simple answer to the question is that, if Titanic had not sunk, she would have had a long career paralleling that of her older sister. Troopship in WW1, then a long and largely uneventful career as a transatlantic liner, before being scrapped, along with Mauretania and Olympic, when financial pressures forced the merger of Cunard & White Star, in 1934-5. Like 'Old Reliable' (Olympic,) she would then have been largely forgotten. James Cameron would have been forced to make his movie about something else. Hindenburg perhaps?
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There is no evidence to support this.
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@scpguy1381 That is the problem. Because I HAVE looked it up, I know that the suggestion is wrong. Tom McCluskie was a consultant used by Cameron on the movie 'Titanic.' He is also the Archives Manager, and historian at Harland and Wolff. He stated that, in this capacity, he "never saw any official reference to the name Gigantic being used or proposed for the third of the Olympic-class vessels". Some hand-written changes were added to the order book and dated January 1912. These only dealt with the ship's moulded width, not her name. Moreover, these last hand-written changes pre-date April, 1912.
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@scpguy1381 Sorry. That is simply nonsense. Why exactly would White Star do that?
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@scpguy1381 There was never any such ship as HMS 'Gigantic.' The designation HMS applies to warships only. The only time a liner might be designated HMS would be were she to be requisitioned by the Royal Navy in time of war, fitted with guns, given a naval crew, and indentified as an 'Armed Merchant Cruiser.' The RN had quite a number in both wars, but the reference never applied to Olympic or Britannic. Britannic was designated HMHS ( His Majesty's Hospital Ship) in WW1 Indeed. Look up HMS 'Gigantic' if you wish. The search goes directly to HMHS Britannic. It even has a section about the name change, which includes McCluskie's comment that it was incorrect.
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Was that after he changed his first name from Thomas?
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Unlikely. The big liners (Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth, & Aquitania) were so fast that they crossed the Atlantic unescorted. U-Boats could not get near them.
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@sburns2421 Totally different. Courageous was a carrier, moving slowly as part of a hunter-killer group, whilst Lancastria was stopped in St. Nazaire harbour, and sunk by bombs. Empress of Britain had caught fire as a result of bombing. She was torpedoed whilst under tow after most of her troops and crew had been taken off.
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There is no evidence to support this.
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@angelachan1710 Britannic was ordered from Harland & Wolff as 'Britannic.'
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@angelachan1710 'It changed after the titanic sank,so don’t assume everything.' Sorry, but that is simply not correct. Tom McCluskie was a consultant used by Cameron on the movie 'Titanic.' He is also the Archives Manager, and historian at Harland and Wolff. He stated that, in this capacity, he "never saw any official reference to the name Gigantic being used or proposed for the third of the Olympic-class vessels". Some hand-written changes were added to the order book and dated January 1912. These only dealt with the ship's moulded width, not her name. Moreover, these last hand-written changes pre-date April, 1912.
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There is no evidence to support this.
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Unlikely. A surviving 'Titanic' was complete and her career would probably have mirrored that of Olympic (although probably not sinking a U-boat as well!). Britannic was converted because she was still building when the war broke out, and modifications were easier to make.
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Probably true. Just like Olympic. Much loved in her time, but largely unknown now.
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After the merger with Cunard. Mauretania went the same way at the same time.
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The question asked here is 'What if Titanic never sank.'
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The problem seems to have the fact that the berg passed down the side of the ship, opening up several compartments.
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