Comments by "Bazileia" (@bazileia9222) on "Vegan Caller vs. Sam Seder Round 2 FIGHT" video.

@britishrocklovingyank3491 no he wasn't. Sam was playing the mental gymnastics here.
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Honestly that's my exact sentiment when watching this.
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@dmike3507 98% of soy is grown for animal consumption, not for humans, for animals... now imagine all that deforestation not happening to grow food for your food! 80% of lands used today, are used for animal agriculture... we should change the practice that is killing our planet.
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@HKZ P a cat is a perfect carnivore, humans are not. We are opportunistic omnivores, (but physically we display the traits of herbivores) meaning that we can eat animal products, but we do not have to do it necessary... and giving the fact that this practice is killing our only livable habitat, it is a very stupid choice to make. And for Sam, a person that has certain concerns about climate change, this subject shouldn't be so "whatever".
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@blackrazor1 animal agriculture is the second culprit for climate change... So why not shit on meat eaters again?
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@dmike3507 it is not so hard to cut something that distructive, the hard part is to wake people up from their cognitive dissonance about the climate and our relationship with other sentient, cognitive beings. The hard part is convincing people that their taste buds are not as important as the life of others
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@dmike3507 what third world coutries depend on meat again? You insist on making that claim, how about presenting some evidence of that? "Australia Australians are the highest meat consumers in the world, followed closely by Americans. Other top meat consuming countries include Israel, Argentina, Uruguay, and Brazil. Australia consumes more meat per year than any other country in the world.Apr 25, 2017" - from world atlas. Now can you see that not third world countries (as you've claimed) have a meat consumption problem?
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@HKZ P presenet evidence for all those claims. What scientists are you talking about? And about what sustainable practices involve animal farming for over 7 billion people's nutritional need are you talling about?
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@hansfrankfurter2903 on what topic?
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@democrazy69 no, you are incorrect. "sentient Having a faculty, or faculties, of sensation and perception. Specif. (Science: physiology) Especially sensitive; as, the sentient extremities of nerves, which terminate in the various organs or tissues. Origin: L. Sentiens, -entis, p. Pr. Of sentire to discern or perceive by the senses. See Sense." Please explain how an organism lacking pain receptors and a central nervous system can "feel"?
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@democrazy69 you just choose to not see animals differently from plants, because it is convenient to you.. but once again plants lack a central nervous system and pain receptors and reaction to stimuli does not mean "to feel". A paraplegic can be stimulated so that their libs would move, that doesn't mean they feel it too... can you now comprehend?
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@handlethisnut in case of an organism which is a biological entity we should choose to use the biological definition of the word... It is kinda useless to use a philosophical definition in a discussion about biological organisms.
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@democrazy69 I never claimed to know all, nice strawman you have there... but now do please explain how an organism without pain receptors and central nervous system can "feel" pain? To be clear let's visit also the medical definition of pain: *Pain Definition: An unpleasant sensory and emotional experience associated with or described in terms of actual or potential tissue damage* So plants now have emotions too?
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@bugviddump7397 so the only reason you are moral is because other people are, if that wasn't the case you wouldn't actually be moral?
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@bugviddump7397 oh I so like your mental gymnastics...let's play a simple game, shall we? If ever any other more intelligent civilisation would come in contact with humans, how would you like them to treat you, as you do with other sentient cognitive beings, or as a vegan does? For me it's simple... if an organism can feel the same way I do it's pain, anguish and fear, than it is fucking immoral to harm that organism. You are like religious people who say that without their imaginary friend there are no morals, because they need someone to impose something on them in order to be a decent being.
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@bugviddump7397 so AIDS is now another intelligent civilisation? Also, that's exactly what I've said that religious people do, take a thing that wasn't proven to be true and use it as an argument. We can prove that other sentient cognitive beings, can be harmed as we are (as in physicaland emotional pain)... that is the immoral aspect. If people would eat lab grown meat, I freaking promise I would give a flaying fuck of what type of cancer they like to die from their diet...
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@bugviddump7397 I like how humans can claim to be the most intelligent and to be equal to a lion as the convenience dictates... How about your bullshit claim that more land is used for us, when most crops are grown for animals fodder?
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@bugviddump7397 of course it matters. For us humans, a species capable of empty, that's why we shouldn't compare ourselves with species that have less of that capacity... or do you also compare yourself to a rapist to bettern yourself, or to someone with a higer sense morality? And "howaboutism" again? I tell you that 80% of lands are used for animal agriculture and your dilema is "how about the land that isn't used for animals"... clearly it is less land used for vegans, if that is your dilemma.
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@bugviddump7397 but it is isn't, veganism is better for animals in the first fucking place, how obtuse can you be?... Your argument there is purely idiotic. Once again more lands are used for animal agriculture than for vegan food consumption, so why thefuck are you deflecting now? Not vegans food is the problem, but the animal product consumption. And please try to see the difference between engaging in a hypothetical for the sake of an argument and just plain whataboutism, to deflect from the main argument...
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@bugviddump7397 no it wouldn't be since animal agriculture still uses more land than a whole food plant based diet would need to feed the world? How the fuck are you so obtuse? Did you failed math or somerhing? There are between 70-140 billion animals enslaved annually, humans are only 7 billion, you do the freaking math now dude... and cut the mental gymnastics
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@bugviddump7397 deminstrate that a vegan society would be "destructive", what precedents or what evidence do you have for that?
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@creshiell where is your explanation on artheroslerosis? I thought you are too busy to refute what I've provided as evidence in another thread...
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@bugviddump7397 demonstrate that regardless of the semantics, you've made a positive claim, how about providing evidence for your claims?
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@bugviddump7397 no dude, you've made a positive claim, now present evidence of that, because so far there isn't evidence that a vegan society "could" be destructive. At least not in the same way animal agriculture is. So stop beating around the bush and present evidence for that or shut the fuck up with your bullshit.
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@bugviddump7397 I believe it is much less destructive than animal agriculture, but I never claimed that "no vegan society can be destructive", since when a strawman is an argument and not a logical fallacy? You on the other hand never presented a shred of evidence that any vegan society was ever destructive...
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@bugviddump7397 jizaz fucking christ dude you are obtuse and annoying...I'm done with you. Go in circles, you seem to like it.
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@creshiell yeah, they would be perfectly fine with cardiovascular diseases, cancer, diabetes and of course artheroslerosis... tell me please why humans are the only "omnivores" suffering from artheroslerosis again?
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@creshiell carbs? Are you serious? Please enlighten me how exactly do carbs make humans suffer from artheroslerosis? Explain the mechanism of that happening.
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@creshiell no honey, you seem to be very confused on the subject.. "Twenty questions on atherosclerosis William C. Roberts, MD Additional article information Is atherosclerosis a disease affecting all animals or only certain animals? Atherosclerosis affects only herbivores. Dogs, cats, tigers, and lions can be saturated with fat and cholesterol, and atherosclerotic plaques do not develop (1, 2). The only way to produce atherosclerosis in a carnivore is to take out the thyroid gland; then, for some reason, saturated fat and cholesterol have the same effect as in herbivores. Are human beings herbivores, carnivores, or omnivores? Although most of us conduct our lives as omnivores, in that we eat flesh as well as vegetables and fruits, human beings have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores (2). The appendages of carnivores are claws; those of herbivores are hands or hooves. The teeth of carnivores are sharp; those of herbivores are mainly flat (for grinding). The intestinal tract of carnivores is short (3 times body length); that of herbivores, long (12 times body length). Body cooling of carnivores is done by panting; herbivores, by sweating. Carnivores drink fluids by lapping; herbivores, by sipping. Carnivores produce their own vitamin C, whereas herbivores obtain it from their diet. Thus, humans have characteristics of herbivores, not carnivores." - from Baylor University Medical Center "Glycogen refers to the state that carbohydrates take when they are in storage within your body. ... The carbohydrates in storage are called glycogen and are often used by the muscles during exercise. The amount of glycogen stored in your muscles is enough to provide energy for an entire day."- from wikipedia And if you "hypothesis" would be true (that carbohydrates are responsible for metabolic syndrome) please explain to me how the hell do vegan doctors manage to reverse diabetes on a whole food plant based diet? "For those with type 2, research shows a vegan diet may control your glucose levels better than other diabetes diets. It may also boost your mood. If you take insulin or other medication to control your blood sugar, talk to your doctor before you make a big change to your diet.Sep 16, 2019" - from webMD
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@creshiell sure... in other words you will get lost :))
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@dylan.1776 why? Why we always have to cater people that choose to be immoral?
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@dylan.1776 no necessarily, not all people operate the same way..
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Only that the percent of people not being able to go vegan is very low, what's your excuse?
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No, humans do it out of convenience, it is not natural for our species to eat animal products since no part of out physiology is suitable for meat consumption, hence why we are the only "omnivores" suffering from artheroslerosis.
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