Comments by "Lord_NeKr0" (@JoeKerr420) on "Early 90s Bernie Explains Exactly Why Our Politics Is Broken" video.

  1. Voting Clinton will not fix this Bernie. The lesser of two evils is a rigged game to give us a deplorable doofus candidate or a corrupt elite candidate and it will continue until we take back our country
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  2. Fred Hampton's Ghost from your avatar and comment I can see you believe communism to be the answer and I must say that I believe that is too far left. Also, while communism in theory may sound like a good idea it has always lead to tyrants and dictators ruling with absolute power. Democratic socialism on the other hand would be a viable option
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  3. Jeremy Einbinder Lenin's Russia Communist lead to Stalinism (dictatorship) Cuba, after communist revolution led to Fidel Castro dictatorship, Korean War - Communist North led to the Kim family ruling as de facto gods (dictatorship) Hence why I said Communism in THEORY may sound good but it always leads to tyrants and dictators. Show me 1 successful communist state and perhaps I'll change my mind
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  4. Jeremy Einbinder I understand what you're saying what I'm saying is as much as communism wants a classless society it never turns out that way. The state becomes owner of means of production and the elite will still run things as they do in a capitalist society you're merely exchanging who is on top and who is under heel. Then you're creating a sort of hive mind society where all are part of the collective and individuality is extinguished. By the way a commune in France is not a succesful STATE. Show me a nation or state that as a whole was communist and succesful and where its people had a decent quality of life.
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  5. Fred Hampton's Ghost I've read Marx many times friend I do not need a refresher course.
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  6. Jeremy Einbinder it's been attempted many times but it gets perverted because man is a material being. We always want more and no matter how well intentioned a movement there is always a Stalin waiting to grab absolute power. Then the class that helped overthrow and start creation on this new form of governance are eliminated. I wouldn't say there was no capitalism in a feudal society. In fact I consider both to be very similar as the poor and lower are exploited to profit the few. Feudal lords made profit off serfs and Roman elite held slaves. Today WalMart workers have can food drives set up by employees to feed themselves because they are not paid enough. It's a modern Feudal Capitalist society where the 1% are treated as Lords with their own rights and privileges not granted we the common men and women. Communism, a true communist society sounds great. It really does. It will never work. The nature of man would have to be changed before a society like that could exist in reality
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  7. Jeremy Einbinder I get that, there does need to be an awakening of consciousness and social order and governance and many other things. It's happened many places at many different times. Just not as you describe and can never work. For it to work all uniqueness and self determination would have to be eradicated at an individual level. All would become drones in the collected common good. Our republic had the right ideas but they didn't extend them to all peoples equally. They also have fallen over to corruption in government and in the market. Both of those are used to keep the common in eternal bondage. Giving the state (any group of leaders elected, appointed or those who gain power by revolution that acts as government)which is so easily corrupted more authority and power will only result in an authoritarian state. I know you said you wanted to completely get rid of that term state. You may substitute tribe, collective, nation etc the result will always be the same. Those on top exploiting those underneath. Then if you wish to empower each individual as his own governor and have no government at all you have anarchy. An ideal society should then, in my view, be a mix of equal parts social and capital. To keep those making money or gaining power in check and to provide for the common welfare of all citizens equally
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  8. Jeremy Einbinder No need to cuss mate I thought we were having a civil discussion. Did Stalin not pervert what Marx was teaching? yes it has been attempted. Did Castro? There are currently 5 nations on earth that identify as communist. What is the standard of living in any of those? When you have complete worker ownership of a business you have to cover those salaries in order for them to remain working and have a relative comfortable standard of living. You then have their goods sold for extremely high prices. Look at some South American nations today
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  9. Jeremy Einbinder North Korea isn't communist? They certainly are not a democratic republic. Actually they are the perfect examply of what happens to a communist state. It reinforces my point perfectly and is eventually what happens. Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam... communist. The fact remains that even if the first generation lays the groundwork and sets the ideals for the nation things evolve freely governments do as well. Communist societies set their governing class above the rest. Which is amusing since they claim to want to do away with class structure. Anything that does not benefit the collective is not needed, the people become indoctrinated to work only for the pleasure of those at the top and have no way to break out except for violent overthrow. Communism is a system that calls for violent revolution every few generations then to restore rights to the common people or creates the perfect hive society where the queen is on top and the workers serve. You want to eliminate any top or any class right? Then a new system would have to be created that makes violent revolution unnecessary while protecting the rights and freedoms of every person. As I said our republic had the right ideas they just didn't extend those to everyone and they do not do so today. No protections from the elite were put in to safeguard corruption from happening and we the common people were exploited again. We may not have slaves in chains but we certainly have slaves in debt. Then you have the general mass who accept the way things are and are content as long as they have NFL, Budweiser and the Kardashians. Look at this election. The two most hated politicians ever are the two main choices for president. The elite do not even bother trying to hide their evil anymore. Its on full display 24/7 and the public chooses sides and goes all out against the other while they merely fight over dust on the dinner table of the elite that has fallen on the floor. Not even scraps are tossed to the common. In that regard I suppose you have a point in saying human nature is malleable, easily lead astray. Which is why they need a shephard(s) truly looking out for their best interest with safeguards in place to protect them from themselves and those who would exploit them.
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  10. Jeremy Einbinder Your first sentence is true, If there are no masters and there are no slaves then everyone is their own master. The problem arises in your next bit. If everyone is equal and provided the same why should 1 work harder than the other? Why even come to work? Why do anything? Are you working for the collective or yourself? Man cannot have two masters.
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  11. Jeremy Einbinder Perhaps but there is ways for one of a low class to rise out of that class and into a better one. It doesn't happen much because the game is rigged towards those in power and already wealthy. They control the capital. They write the laws, they take more than is given back. There is nothing that reins in their control and the people lulled into slumber do nothing to change it. In that regard a revolution is needed but there must be a society that comes after that prevents all the old abuses so as you say all can work in the collective and all can have maximum liberty. I do not think that can be achieved in communism.
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  12. Fred Hampton's Ghost And what about the disabled who can't work for your communist state? How are they provided for when they no longer can work or build for the common good?
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  13. Fred Hampton's Ghost suppose there is no surplus. Suppose crops fail or workers stop. Suppose those in charge decide they no longer can or will provide these things and keep them for themselves. What safeguards do you propose to ensure those who cannot defend themselves can be taken care of?
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  14. Fred Hampton's Ghost "Yay more labor for the state, why not throw the kids and disabled in there too so they can earn their squalid living condition to make us at the government comfortable. Who cares if they don't eat we need their land for farms to feed us at the top so let's just starve them off since our labor camps are full as is. We'll just say production is down so they do not get to eat their rations this week and continue! Oh but wait they may commit suicide and we need those useful idiots to work so lets pump them full of false hope on our government controlled tv amd internet. No in fact cut their internet and TV all they need is work, work and more work for us the government! Nevermind lets just kill them and be done!" Yeah, you make it sound so amazing because you like the other guy think all human beings are gentle good natured beings forgetting we are really animals. There will always be a top and bottom and middle. The problem today is the middle is vanishing. More and more is going to the top and your answer is to simply exchange the top and bottom while putting in its place a system that exploits people just as bad as capitalism if not worse. See what Russia did to Ukraine or What China has done to its people. Communism removes the "pursuit of happiness" and places "pursue for the state instead". Your system is full of loopholes, contradictions and outright fantasy. Do you have your own opinions that you can express without pulling out your little red book or parroting its lines? Have you actually thought any of it through? Obviously not if you call my suggestions silly things to suppose.
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  15. Fred Hampton's Ghost you're parroting again and I seriously doubt you've thought things through. Your whole system in contingent on the facts that you need all citizens to function solely for the state or the collective, to make a surplus of all products and things deemed needed to live in comfort and that technology will always be used to uplift society. You do not take into account any times things can go wrong as your "silly supposes" comment has shown or the nature of human beings. As I've said in theory it may sound like a great idea, in practice communism never works.
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  16. Fred Hampton's Ghost wealth is created because people have the freedom to create. Then people have the freedom to decide what a product is worth. If the state tells you what you will buy and tells you what you will do for work then that narrows things quite a bit. If that happens forget anything deemed un-necessary such as art. Forget having choice. You will be once again in a class. So all the things communism says it can cure in fact does not.
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  17. Jeremy Einbinder no, I don't think I'm confused. I think like Fred the two of you haven't carried your logical thought out to the next step. You both say you want to eliminate class and have workers share in the collective. We continue going round and round. Clearly the two of you are missing the point
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  18. MonkeyMoney101 Rojava follows a direct democracy model. Is this what you advocate? Or are you with Fred and Jeremy and advocating communism?
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  19. MonkeyMoney101 so let me get this straight... no one ever starved under communism? Are you serious?
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  20. Jeremy Einbinder people don't have freedom to create now? What? If I wanted I could make a film now and put it online. I could paint a picture and sell it how is that not freedom to create?
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  21. Jeremy Einbinder We agree the low class is always oppressed we differ on the solution Communism will not fix it, it will only create one class that isn't the government that will not have the same rights and privileges as those who are
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  22. Jeremy Einbinder they started out communist and through generations of manipulation they are now an authoritarian state where the Kim's are looked at as God figures. Do you deny that to be so?
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  23. Jeremy Einbinder not really Communism isn't love it is the hammer to beat the enemy into submission - Mao Communist system has Representatives, Direct Democracy or pure democracy as Lenin described it has every person deciding by direct vote. Communism - those 5 countries I told you about. China, Laos, Cambodia, North Korea, Vietnam Direct Democracy - Switzerland and Ancient Greece So which of these are you advocating?
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  24. Jeremy Einbinder but the needs of the state was accounted for eh and the needs of the people deemed unnecessary. Holodomor (terror famine). How will your system ensure this does not happen?
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  25. Jeremy Einbinder on that we agree.
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  26. Jeremy Einbinder I don't own the wind either but I can build a windmill and use it
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  27. Jeremy Einbinder so you're advocating direct Democracy, Lenin's pure democracy not communism? Right?
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  28. Jeremy Einbinder North Korea is most certainly not capitalist. In the 50s they started out as communist and over the generations became a dictatorship using communist principles. They do not have the direct democracy you advocate nevertheless they are communist in the state provides their needs
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  29. Jeremy Einbinder right, but now if i want to build a windmill I'd have to get permits even if its on my own land. Would your system allow me to build it without those?
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  30. Jeremy Einbinder so every vote directly affects the democracy. One man one vote
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  31. Jeremy Einbinder does that mean if it is democratic it is communist?
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  32. Jeremy Einbinder They can pervert those communist principles as what happens now in North Korea
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  33. Jeremy Einbinder so you are for socialism, excellent. Democratic socialism is what I advocate.
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  34. Jeremy Einbinder and certainly war without a direct vote from the people unless invasion
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  35. Jeremy Einbinder I have to say this has been a pleasant discussion save for a few moments of rudeness but that oft happens in political discussion when passions ignite. Thank you for the discourse
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  36. Jeremy Einbinder So take walmart for example or costco. Under your plan a checkout clerk is equal owner to someone who works in administrative office position. Would that be correct? Why would anyone choose to stock shelves over sitting in a chair? The problem arises when someone isn't fit to do a task but nevertheless deems they should have that task. Why would anyone willingly pick the crap job? Some people are meant to lead some to follow. My vision of democratic socialism doesn't do away with class but does take from those wealthy enough to fund social programs for individuals elderly, infirmed and children.
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  37. MonkeyMoney101 but you could choose to come home from work and play for a bigger audience and then charge for the time you play for those in attendance. Or you could choose to play for free and not charge that is your choice. If there was a society where those with music inclinations could focus on that and play and that be all they did, why would anyone want to do the hard work that needed to be done? What if someone really wants to rock out but they are horrible at playing and singing? Yet they have direct say in their own lives and cannot be bothered with that detail that they suck?
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  38. Jeremy Einbinder I do not argue for slavery and find that to be detestable sir, Look around you at our crumbling roads and bridges. They need to be fixed? So who does that? the guitar player? the painter? the office administrator?
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  39. Jeremy Einbinder Ive said a mix of social and capital policies is my view of democratic socialism I do not see how i am wrong there.
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  40. Jeremy Einbinder yes it does need to be done but say for example i have a neighbor who's fence has fallen on mine. For two days i tell him to fix it or my fence will fall. He would rather get drunk and then my fence falls over leaving me to fix it. Human nature is not taken into account in your ideals. Most people i come across could care less about the common good those are the people that would make your society not function as it should. How do you deal with them?
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  41. MonkeyMoney101 and in this democratically controlled economy how will the painter or guitar player be informed enough to know how to vote in a way that will not wreck the economy of the nation?
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  42. Fred Hampton's Ghost and who ensures the will of central planning is carried out? What do you do with those who do not believe they should do what the planners deem necessary to be done?
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  43. Jeremy Einbinder https://www.google.com/amp/s/liamchingliu.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/social-democracy-vs-democratic-socialism/amp/?client=safari Interesting read
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  44. Jeremy Einbinder Not if strict controls are placed on the wealthy and corporate interest.
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  45. Jeremy Einbinder there's still going to be business of some kind.
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