Glamdolly
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Comments by "Glamdolly" (@glamdolly30) on "Watch How These BRILLIANT Interrogation Tactics Cracked Col. Russell Williams Into Confessing Murder" video.
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@Karamarika Glad you've heard that saying before, though your interpretation of it was so literal and dismissive, you apparently didn't understand it!
I've heard your tired arguments for the death penalty a million times before, and they still don't hold up. But I would rather hear them, than spurious analogies about totally unrelated subjects like abortion. Abortion is always an unhelpful diversion here, because you cannot compare the life of an as yet incomplete, still forming human being in the womb, with the life of a fully formed, independently functioning adult human being. Ditto the other examples you gave of 'killing' - eg euthanasia, again a totally different context, as is self defence, so not at all useful in this context.
You are muddying the issue we're discussing which is specifically crime and punishment and the morality of the state ending the lives of the most violent/dangerous criminals. It's a complex enough debate, without bringing in umpteen unrelated issues!
I'm not religious. But I see a fundamental problem with one human being playing God and killing another because they have broken a society's laws. That is open to both wilful abuse and to dumb human error. And it will inevitably result in innocent lives being taken, from time to time - which rather defeats the object. Perhaps you think a few innocent lives ended is a price worth paying to empty prisons?
No point in prolonging this since we won't agree, but there's a really important principal at stake which you've overlooked. If you live in a society which can legally kill you if you break its rules, whatever its rules happen to be, you no longer live in a democracy. That is always a primitive and oppressive system and not one I want to live at the mercy of.
The present legal and penal system is far from perfect and needs radical reform. In my view the primary purpose of justice is protection of the public and to that end life sentences should be just that. I notice you didn't suggest the death penalty is any kind of deterrent which is quite right, it isn't. Countries which have the harshest sentences eg the death penalty and various violent sanctions such as public floggings have just as much if not more serious crime as those that do not. In terms of sentences there is nothing new under the sun that hasn't been tried somewhere before, and none of it has any effect on criminal behaviour or crime rates.
What's really needed is a comprehensive assessment of the bigger picture, the worldwide crisis of male violence (the vast majority of perpetrators of violent crime have always been and remain, males). Yet time and time again we either ignore that fact or we collectively accept that a percentage of the male population is dangerous, as though it's inevitable. What a terrible slur on ALL men that is!
I believe we are too often focussing on the wrong end of the problem, punishment, when we should be giving equal focus to prevention of crime through multiple different approaches. I don't pretend there are easy answers, but I do think more lateral thinking is needed. This means greater research into how and why so many men become a danger to society, and a much greater regard for educating potential victims of crime so they can better protect themselves, eg from domestic violence situations. It simply should not be possible for a high risk prisoner like Ted Bundy to escape a high security jail, that was an outrage which meant he killed again.
But incarcerated killers like Bundy are in my view a woefully under used resource. These most extreme criminals should be studied like lab rats while the tax payer is funding their bed and board. If experts can learn more about how such criminals are formed, their M.O. and behaviours, priceless data and better understanding can be gained from them. This could have positive future implications for both potential perpetrators and potential victims.
I had to smile when you talked about the death penalty being a 'punishment'. How is someone punished if they are humanely euthanised? That's no punishment at all, if anything it's merciful! Many killers request death for that very reason - it is infinitely preferable to life locked in a cage!
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