Comments by "Glamdolly" (@glamdolly30) on "NewsNation"
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Agreed - and if Supt Doug Carter had only shared the video of the killer with the public from day one as he should have done, there was a far bigger chance of someone putting two and two together, recognising what he was wearing, knowing his work schedule that day/the fact he had a day off, etc etc, and calling police with his name.
The TV interviewer should have asked Carter why he only released a single still image from the video, and sat on the video for two whole years! 14-year-old Libby bravely recorded her soon-to-be killer's video and audio, it was a gift to police. But they stupidly failed to use it for a 24 months. By the time they showed it, memories had faded and the trail was going cold. I think Carter knows full well that was a huge mistake - that's why in this latest interview he plays down the importance of the video. Libby was a better detective than he was, God bless her.
Doug Carter has mishandled this double child murder all the way to cold case status. He needs to step aside while more experienced homicide detectives take over. Sadly I think the killer of Abby and Libby will only be caught when he kills again. And he will - this was a sexually driven murder, and sex offenders are the worst for repeat crimes.
He must have laughed all over his face watching Supt Carter's feeble TV interview. He barely answered a single question and made it only too clear police are no nearer to catching him than they were on day one. Two little girls need justice, and ALL women and girls are at risk while that man remains at large. This crime needs to be a high priority - if I were the victims' loved ones, after five years I'd be asking some very serious questions, and demanding serious action!
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Police have no more idea about the killer's identity today, 5 years later, than they did on day one. The reason Supt Doug Carter and his team held onto so much information, is their massive inexperience in handling a crime as big as this one. It is now crystal clear Indiana police were, and remain, way out of their depth with this double child homicide. They have mishandled it all the way to cold case status, and should be replaced forthwith as the investigating team.
14 year old Libby German bravely provided law enforcement with the best evidence they could possibly have been given - video and audio of the killer. They should have shared the full video with the public immediately, not just one single, still image from it! As a national newspaper journalist who has covered many murders over 20 years, I believe the amount of information withheld from the public in this double child murder is unprecedented. The only explanation I can find is the investigating team's inexperience , naivety and over-cautiousness.
Why did police withhold Libby's video of the man who killed her and her friend Abby Williams for two whole years? There's absolutely no good reason for it! Had they shared that video with the public right after the murders, there was the best possible chance someone would have recognised him, known his movements that day (and other clues like what he was wearing), and identified him to police. After two years, memories fade and the power of that video was seriously diminished.
That was one of many strategic errors by police, which include the confusion caused by the second, contrasting artists' impression of the killer (and the younger age estimate), and the disastrous police media briefing of 2019. Make no mistake, the Delphi child murders are now a cold case, despite police denials.
Five years on, the time is long overdue to replace Supt Carter and his team with more experienced and adept, specialist homicide detectives. I couldn't care less if that hurts Doug Carter's inflated ego. He is clearly not up to the job. Abby and Libby, and ALL women and girls who remain at risk while this killer is at large, deserve nothing less! #JusticeForLibbyAndAbby
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@Olo Lasinski Thanks for your response, and first off I must say your written English is excellent!
As an experienced British news journalist I've a good grasp of how police murder investigations are run in the UK. But I'm not so well acquainted with the US system or critically, the personalities and hierarchies behind this notorious (and now historic), Delphi double child homicide investigation. I suspect internal systems, personalities and politics are key to understanding the failed, five year investigation into the Delphi murders. It may be many years before those issues are exposed to public scrutiny - if they ever are!
The first observation I'll share is that Supt Carter was appointed head of Indiana State police back in 2012, so is about to mark 10 years in the job. From the research I've been able to do online, he got his boots under the desk, not on the ground, and hasn't set the world on fire in the role. It seems to me his style is to keep his head down, not rock the boat, and not take any decisive or left-field actions that might attract attention and potentially criticism. In short, he's a plodder, enjoying the cash and kudos attached to his role, without getting his hands dirty. Does that indicate good leadership? I would argue not.
The other important thing to stress as I've previously mentioned, is his inexperience as a homicide detective. He was previously Supt in Hamilton Ohio, which has well below the national average rate of violent crime. Before that he was a state trooper. This man strikes me as a law enforcement officer first and a detective second. Compare his style with that of fellow law enforcement figurehead Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, a man so straight he even criticised fellow officers over their mishandling of killer Brian Laundrie in the murder of Gabby Petiro. See my point? Sheriff Judd's style is very different - he goes after perpetrators all guns blazing, and isn't too proud to ask for the public's help to catch them!
Supt Carter's policy from February 14th 2017 when Libby and Abby's bodies were first recovered, was to hold his cards so close to his chest they were practically super-glued down. I'm well aware police must hold back many details of a crime for operation reasons (cranks coming forward with bogus confessions etc). But the amount of information Carter kept out of the public domain was in my 20 + years experience reporting on serious crimes, unprecedented and unjustifiable.
What possible purpose did sitting on Libby German's video of the suspect for TWO YEARS serve? I wish this reporter had asked him that very question! It only helped the perpetrator stay hidden from those who might have joined the dots so soon after the murders, and turned him in.
A senior British police officer once told me: "The police don't solve crimes - the public do". That's a fact Doug Carter seems totally oblivious to!
Like everyone else, I can only speculate as to why Indiana State Police, and specifically Supt Doug Carter, are still in charge of the Delphi investigation, at least 4 years after proving their incompetence. I would argue their mishandling of the investigation was obvious within weeks of Abby and Libby's murders. Over time it became ever clearer the investigative team were out of their depth and highly unlikely to identify the killer.
The embarrassingly bad media conference Carter fronted in 2019 in which he addressed the killer direct, when he should have appealed to the person/people who recognised him from the video but haven't come forward, exposed his incompetence. All that dumb stuff about the murderer being in the room right now (he wasn't), and the mind games ("You want to know what we know, and pretty soon you will") were sensationalist garbage and a total waste of time. Why talk to the freak who murdered two children in broad daylight - he isn't going to get a pang of conscience and give himself up!
I hate to be proved right in a case as grave as this one, but here we are five years later, with two teen girls cold in their graves and their killer still walking free.
Immediately after the murders, normal police protocol was followed. That meant local state law enforcement took precedence by default, and decided the all-important strategies for the investigation. We were told Indiana Police had some assistance from the FBI. But the media was left in no doubt Supt Carter called the shots - with disastrous consequences. If only the FBI had been in charge. That was the first, critical problem IMO, from which all others followed, for two obvious reasons:
Number one, unlike the FBI, Indiana Police by their own admission are inexperienced in homicide cases. Those they do encounter are inevitably domestic murders, in which the identity of the killer is immediately known to them. The most difficult crimes to crack are stranger murders. And here we come on to the second reason this particular crime remains unsolved. Libby German and Abby Williams were not only killed by a total stranger, but even more challenging for investigators, this was no ordinary homicide.
For two children to be targeted and killed by a predator on a daytime walk in a public outdoor area (with potential rescuers/witnesses close by), is a crime of uniquely extreme characteristics. The man who did this is sexually motivated, which is why he was so strongly driven to take huge risks. So confident was he of not only overpowering his target and getting away with his attack, he chose to offend against not one but two victims.
My point is this is one hell of a warped and dangerous man, and this is unlikely to have been his first serious crime against females. He may well have killed before, and he must have other, surviving victims. He will kill again, and probably already has.
I suspect at the very start Supt Doug Carter was complacent, assuming it was such a shocking and well-publicised crime that someone, a work colleague or even a wife, was bound to come forward and give the killer up. But by failing to release the full, 40 second video clip (with audio), Carter did not facilitate that outcome. Instead of being proactive when the trail was warm, sharing selected facts with the public to help them identify the killer, Carter followed a misguided policy of silence and withholding ALL evidence.
It's Supt Doug Carter's strategies that have helped render this case unsolved after five years - if that isn't proof he needs to step aside and the team be shaken up with experienced FBI officers at the helm, I don't know what is! I really thought we would get such an announcement on the five year anniversary of the crime. I think it's a great shame Abby and Libby's families' haven't joined forces to demand Doug Carter's removal. The TV interview he gave on this show was an utter joke. He refused to answer pretty much every question, but most telling of all is his far less optimistic claims about catching the killer. His latest pledge is he'll identify him "Within 3 years" is pathetic. The killer must be laughing all over his face. In saying that, Carter revealed he hasn't a clue who he is today, any more than he did back in 2017.
And why the hell did he appeal to the public about Kegan Kline aka 'Anthony Shots'. when he was eliminated as a suspect five years ago, within a week of the girls' murders? This smacks of police grasping at straws, in case the girls met another guy that day through an online contact. But forensic computer experts have studied every device both Abby and Libby used. They hadn't arranged to meet anyone that day. They were just two teens doing what 13 and 14 year old girls do - going on a walk, taking selfies, chatting and laughing. Tragically they had the horrific misfortune to catch the eye of a predator, out looking for prey.
There are rumours swirling online about the crime scene, and the way the girls' bodies were left. If true, I believe some of those quirky details show a pattern of behaviour by the killer and should therefore have been shared by law enforcement. It could be a light bulb moment for someone who knows, or used to know him - an unusual, fetishist sexual act peculiar to him.
If Doug Carter remains on this case even one more year, I don't believe it will be solved until the perpetrator commits another murder, and effectively identifies himself. It would be an utter travesty if another woman or girl has to die, in order to find Abby and Libby's killer. Frankly I'm not convinced Doug Carter could find his own ass with both hands if someone turned the lights out.
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@aprilmichelle703 Hi April - I wasn't talking about members of the public at Delphi who saw the suspect on the day.
I was referring to the people out there who know the killer personally - either closely, eg a partner, family member, friends, neighbours or work colleagues, or someone less closely acquainted who sees him regularly such as a bus driver, postman or a waitress who serves him coffee every week. The video is of sufficient quality that if you knew the man well, you would recognise him.
My point is that had the video been shown right after the February 13th 2017 murders, there was a much higher chance of one of those people recognising him and putting two and two together while that critical date was fresh in their minds.
If police had promoted the video far and wide immediately, it would have got lots of publicity (all TV and online news/true crime outlets would have loved the novelty value of showing genuine footage of the suspect in a recent high profile double child murder).
At that early stage so soon after the murders of Abby and Libby, those who knew the killer well may also have known his location that day, his schedule/working hours, and maybe even the clothes he was wearing. It could have immediately sparked a memory of something suspicious - say for example, the killer's wife recognised him, and remembered that week he told her he had taken his blue jacket to the dry cleaners, or had lost his scarf, or perhaps he'd even told her he planned to walk the bridge that day.
A friend or family member of the killer might think the video looks very like their loved one, and recall him acting strangely after the murders, perhaps agitated or excited, he could even have taken a day/days of work sick which is out of character. Armed with that kind of recent circumstantial evidence/detail, they may have felt more inclined to call police with his name.
Remember, this man almost certainly has a history of sexual offending against girls/women (for which he's never been arrested, as police can't match his DNA to the national database). That means he's highly likely to have surviving victims out there who would have potentially recognised him from the video - especially if police had released just one or two details about his unique MO to provide a 'light bulb' moment of recognition for anyone attacked by him before.
But by the time cops decided to release a section of the video two years later, all those kind of details would be long forgotten by the killer's personal circle of family, friends and acquaintances. Therefore they would be less convinced the man on the video is the person they know, and less motivated to call in with his name.
The amount of information police have withheld from the public in this case is unprecedented, and is a serious strategic mistake which has only helped the killer stay undetected.
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Bailey the service dog Charles got for autistic JJ was valuable because he was specially trained (as well as being a pedigree Goldendoodle). So Lori tried to sell him for $1,500. But unluckily for her, the organisation that had trained Bailey saw her advert and immediately intervened, telling Lori it was not her dog to sell, and taking him back.
The dog's training had cost that organisation many thousands! Bailey was re-homed to another child like JJ with special needs. And JJ lost his best friend - after losing his devoted dad Charles, his loving big sister Tylee, and even his grandma and grandpa Kay and Larry Woodcock, whose regular contact with him Lori spitefully stopped, after Kay received Charles' $1 million life insurance - that she thought was coming to her, after she and Alex murdered him!
The last few months of JJ's life, as the most important people in his life were taken from him - and then even his dog disappeared - are heartbreaking. He must have been the loneliest little boy in the world when Alex Cox finally came for him that fateful night in September. .😭😭😭
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Are you talking about Supt Doug Carter? He's a disaster - he mishandled the Delphi murders all the way to cold case status, and needs to be replaced forthwith. His inexperience in dealing with homicides made him over-cautious, in holding back far too much information from the public. That has played a huge role in it remaining unsolved. He only released a single still of the murderer, and sat on the longer video of him for two whole years! Why? That's the question this interviewer should have asked him.
It was clearly a massive mistake by Carter. Had he shown the fuller moving images from day one, there was the best chance of someone who knew the killer coming forward with his name, recognising his clothes or remembering his schedule from that afternoon. Two years later, the trail was cold and the video had lost a lot of its power. Remember, this killer's DNA and fingerprints are not on the national database - he's never been arrested before. That and the fact he was undoubtedly a stranger to the girls, makes him especially hard to catch - and makes the video evidence crucial!
Libby was only 14 years old and must have been terrified. She knew something was not right about that man. Yet she bravely recorded video and audio of him - a gift for law enforcement. And yet they inexplicably failed to make use of that gift from the very start, when it was of most evidentiary value and should have been shared far and wide.
Supt Carter should not have given this five year anniversary interview, it was another strategic mistake. It only showed - very clearly - he is no closer to identifying the killer after five years, than he was on day one. All his bluff and bluster from his cringe-making 2019 media conference is gone (ludicrously addressing the killer direct with his dumb: "You want to know what we know, and some day you will" guff, saying he might be in the room right now, etc etc). He was clueless about the killer's identity then after a two year investigation, and three years on he's still no further forward!
On the five year anniversary Carter is decidedly less cocky and upbeat, saying he hopes to catch the killer "within three years". That's as good as a confession of failure, that he clearly hasn't got a clue who or where he is!
If the killer watched this TV interview it will only confirm to him he's got away with his audacious crime, and make him feel all-powerful. It's as good as an invitation to re-offend. Doug Carter has failed. He needs to step aside now, and let experienced homicide detectives take over. Though I fear it's already too late for this heinous double child killing to be solved. Police simply kept too much information hidden from the public for too long, not allowing them to help identify the perpetrator. Two little girls brutally abducted and murdered on a daytime walk deserve justice, and ALL women and girls deserve to be safe.
This murderer is as dangerous as they come. He was prepared to kill not one but two victims in broad daylight, in a public place, potentially within reach of rescuers/witnesses. He was no doubt enacting a long-held sexual fantasy. A man prepared to take that level of risk is highly motivated and narcissistic, believing himself smarter than police. And in the case of Supt Doug Carter, he may be right!
In my view the man who murdered Libby and Abby will kill again - if he hasn't already. Sadly I believe that next homicide will be the police's best chance of catching him. Frankly I'm not convinced Doug Carter could find his own ass with both hands, if someone shut the light off.
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No mystery about 'Why'. These murders were sexually motivated, regardless of whether the girls were raped/sexually assaulted before they were killed. The perpetrator was fulfilling a long-held sexual fantasy. He may or may not have killed anyone before, but he's certainly committed prior sexual offences - though he obviously escaped arrest for them.
If Indiana police only had the experience and sense to release brave Libby's video and audio recording of her and Abby's killer from day one, instead of inexplicably sitting on it for TWO WHOLE YEARS, they'd have had a far better chance of someone turning this evil freak in. Why on Earth did they only release a single, still image from the video, for 24 months?
Had the video been released in February 2017 right after Libby and Abby were murdered, the chances of someone correctly identifying him to police were at their highest. Carter and co were clueless about how to conduct a homicide - and worse, a double homicide - investigation, so were crazily over-cautious.
Supt Doug Carter is a buffoon. He held back every damn detail of the crime, meaning the public didn't have enough information to help police solve it. Many years ago as a young newspaper reporter just starting out, a senior police officer told me "Law enforcement don't solve crimes - the public do".
How right he was. If only Doug Carter had respected that truth from day one, and given the public every opportunity to help him identify the man who murdered Abby and Libby. Five years on we are way past that golden window of opportunity. High time Doug Carter was taken off the case and replaced with an experienced, senior homicide detective who, unlike Supt Carter, has a proven track record in bringing killers to justice.
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Doug Carter was complacent from the start. His inexperience in homicide cases, meant he just assumed someone would recognise 'bridge guy' from the one still image he put out (why didn't he release the whole 40 second video from day one for pity's sake???)
When no one came forward he STILL sat on Libby's video of the killer for two whole years! Unbelievable! This TV interviewer should have asked him why he withheld that video from the public. There was no good reason whatsoever for holding it back. If it had only been shown when people's memories were fresh, someone could have remembered what he was wearing that day, his schedule or some other detail that linked him to the murders, and called police with his name.
That 14 year old girl was scared out of her mind, her inner alarm bells ringing, telling her that man was dangerous. But still she had the courage and presence of mind to video him. Libby gave law enforcement the best ever piece of evidence they could have hoped for - moving footage and audio if the killer. And they failed to share it with the public far and wide from the get-go, as they should have.
As a senior police officer once told me, when I was a national newspaper reporter: "Police don't solve crimes - the public do". How right he was. It's a truth totally lost on Doug Carter! If I were the victims' loved ones, on the five year anniversary I'd be demanding Carter and team be sidelined and replaced with FBI officers experienced in handling homicides. Abby and Libby deserve justice - and ALL women and girls are in danger while that maniac remains at large,
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@cjwilliams6668 Are you going to endlessly nit-pick over Supt Doug Carter's resume, or are you going to put on your big boy pants and engage with the discussion about his handling of the Delphi murders?
That's what the original post and this thread is about - the five year anniversary of the Delphi murders, the unprecedented volume of information held back by investigators, and a failed police investigation.
My point stands, Supt Doug Carter is NOT an experienced homicide detective. But even if he were, his own, plainly obvious personal deficiencies are the reason the public has no reason to have confidence in him. Do YOU have faith in him? If so, state your reasons? He hasn't identified a single person of interest in the Delphi murders in FIVE YEARS, much less a prime suspect. And his latest interviews on the five year anniversary betray the fact he's as clueless now as he was on day one!
Supt Carter's farcical performance at the 2019 media conference left no one (with critical thinking skills) in any doubt he was badly out of his depth. Getting emotional was inappropriate and unprofessional - that is for the victims' loved ones, NOT senior law enforcement!
Playing dumb mind games with the murderer was another red flag that showed he was enjoying the limelight rather too much. That nonsense about the murderer; "Hiding in plain sight", and even suggesting he was in the room at that very moment, were sensationalist garbage and pure invention (the killer was not present - there were around 40 people there at most, all of them journalists, law enforcement, other professionals plus victims' loved ones).
Why did Supt Carter address the killer direct? Did he really think he'd suddenly get a pang of conscience and give himself up?! Ridiculous and pointless. Sex killers have no conscience and do not confess to killing children - even while wearing cuffs and sitting in a police interrogation room!
What Carter should have done - as is plainly obvious to all but the most obtuse - is use victim Libby German's video of the child killer immediately, promoting that footage far and wide right after the murders. In tandem with that genuine video and audio of the killer, he should have appealed directly not to the killer, but to the people out there who recognised him. Because you can be certain at least one person could have correctly identified 'bridge guy', and put two and two together while his movements, behaviour, schedule and even outfit were fresh in their mind.
Instead Supt Carter foolishly withheld that video footage from the public for two years. By the time he finally showed it, its power to identify him had diminished hugely 24 months on. People are busy, they have 101 things to think about every day. That's why the window for catching killers is so short, really days but at most weeks after the homicide.
I am far from alone in my view - senior police officers are privately expressing doubts about the investigation Supt Doug Carter has run. And yes, as the man in charge, his investigative skills are critical to this case! That you stated Carter is not an 'investigator' shows how utterly clueless you are about his role and the expectations people rightly have of him.
Make no mistake, Supt Doug Carter has failed the child victims and their loved-ones, and ALL women and girls, who remain at risk while this killer is loose. Supt Carter must not be allowed another five years of failure - he needs to go, and be replaced by a brand new team of senior officers to bring new eyes and strategies to the Delphi murder RIGHT NOW.
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@cjwilliams6668 You just defeated your own argument - as you stated, Doug Carter is in charge of the Delphi investigation. Exactly my point! He decides every investigative strategy, so of course his role is investigative!
And his disastrous strategic decisions from day one all the way to 5 years later - or as it's commonly known, 'cold case status' - reflect his failure. I know this from my long experience as a national news journalist.
But don't take my word for it. Ask any senior police officer (not connected with this case, so they've no reason to lie), and they'll tell you the reality. The chance of the Delphi killer being caught 5 years on is now extremely low.
Stranger killers like this guy are caught by excellent, proactive detective work early on while the trail is warm, and that did not happen in this case. Why do you think Supt Doug Carter decided to sit on the video footage of the killer for two whole years, instead releasing only a single, still image from it? Do you think that was wise?
It was not. It served no useful purpose and only helped the perpetrator stay undetected. That was one of many grave mistakes by Supt Carter, and in my view played a critical role in a highly dangerous child murderer remaining at large to this day.
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@kathduncan9618 It really is the most unbelievably dark story isn't it? How a mother could kill both of her children, and pose at her beach wedding laughing and dancing just weeks later, defies human emotion. But she clearly has none, and never loved JJ or Tylee.
I read a very sad story recently about JJ's biological mother Mandy Leger. As you probably know, she and JJ's bio dad Todd Trehan both had substance abuse issues when they conceived JJ. As a result, he was born drug addicted, and ended up being adopted at age one by his great Uncle Charles Vallow, and the evil Lori.
Mandy's life had spiralled out of control at the time of JJ's birth. She had access rights for the first six months of his life and wanted to be a Mom to him. But after she relapsed and was ordered to attend rehab, she learned his adoption had been finalized. She never saw him again.
Over the years, Mandy always hoped she would some day be reunited with her little boy, and forge a relationship with him. When she heard he was missing in November 2019 aged seven, she investigated ways to get him back. Tragically, unbeknown to her, he was already dead.
When Mandy learned the bombshell news of JJ's murder and squalid burial in Chad Daybell's pet cemetery, she was devastated. Her dreams of a reunion were forever shattered. According to her loved ones, she never recovered from the tragedy.
In June last year, Mandy Leger died, aged 46. The coroner ruled her death was by natural causes, but her loved ones say she died of a broken heart. Mandy is surely yet another victim of that unholy trio, Lori Vallow, Alex Cox and Chad Daybell.
If you're curious, I've linked to the 'Daily Mail' article below. The photos of Mandy and a tiny, newborn JJ are very moving - and reveal he was the total spitting image of his Mom! The physical resemblance between mother and son is quite uncanny. This dreadful story holds so much sadness and loss, for so many!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11974927/Birth-mom-murdered-son-Lori-Vallow-JJ-died-aged-46-anguish-suffered-losing-son.html
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Are you serious? Supt Doug Carter is a disaster - the hammiest bad-actor ever. All that melodramatic talking to the killer he did, and pretending to be holding back tears - UGH! He enjoyed the drama far too much. His strategies of holding back extended video footage of the killer for two whole years (a golden piece of evidence from courageous Libby, squandered in the crucial first stages of the investigation), putting out two starkly different artists' impressions to confuse everyone, and holding back every detail the public needed to identify the suspect and provide his name, showed exactly how useless he is!
This audacious, daytime murder of two children in a public place was the work of a highly motivated and dangerous, risk-taker. That the murderer has been walking free all this time to kill other females, is a serious public safety scandal!
What this high-profile murder case needed was a Sheriff Grady Judd at the helm. That man does the best ever media conferences and fully understands the importance of regular communication and public liaison, to solve crimes. As a senior police officer once told me (a national newspaper reporter), "The police don't solve crimes - the public do". But in order to solve crimes, the public needs the police to share some clues with them. To date, Carter hasn't even revealed the girls' cause of death. In my experience as a journalist, that information vacuum from the police is unprecedented, and inevitably resulted in an information vacuum from the public. Holding back far too many details/clues, has only helped the killer evade capture.
An inept investigation by inexperienced police officers took this high profile double homicide all the way to cold case status. What an insult to the tragic child victims of this heinous crime. Nearly SIX YEARS later and finally, at long last, there's a person of interest (note - we do not yet know if Richard Allen has been charged with these murders - unless and until he is, the Delphi killings remain unsolved).
It's more than ironic when Carter did his '...the killer could be in this room' schtick, he suggested he was a local man, quote "hiding in plain sight".
If Richard Allen is his man, he's been living within a stone's throw of the crime scene and serving the local community in a Delphi pharmacy - ie right under law enforcement's nose - the entire time! Police will have serious questions to answer, about how they failed to identify him for so long. Further evidence, were it needed, that Supt Doug Carter is as useless as tits on a bull.
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Libby was incredibly brave to secretly film the creepy guy stalking her and Abby, Richard Allen. This case would not have been solved without her securing that footage of the killer for police. Because when a still image of the man from her video was shown on TV news on 15th February, it freaked Allen out and prompted him to come forward and tell authorities he'd been there that day.
He was trying to 'get ahead' of police, and pose as an innocent witness, rather than the guilty child killer he was. He even described wearing exactly the same clothes as the killer in the video - he identified himself as 'Bridge Guy' - and Bridge Guy is the killer!
All the witnesses from the day of the crime reported seeing ONE MAN and one man only - that man was, by his own admission, Richard Allen. Police could and should have arrested and charged him within one week of these murders! Instead they dropped the ball, and did no further investigation after he came forward.
It is an outrage they allowed Allen to walk free for FIVE YEARS when he had approached them just two days after the murders! Supt Doug Carter was wrong when he said the killer was, quote, 'Hiding in plain sight'. He wasn't hiding at all! Indiana Police and Supt Carter must be held fully accountable for their multiple, huge mistakes, of which that was the biggest.
It took far too long, but Libby's video of Richard Allen is what smoked him out and ultimately solved the case. I believe after they were abducted by him at gunpoint, the girls worked together to conceal the phone from him (it was found under Abby's dead body). Both girls deserve huge respect and recognition for the key role they played in solving their own murder. Without that video being recorded and preserved. Richard Allen would not have come forward, and would almost certainly have killed other victims.
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If a dodgy internet search history indicated guilt in a high profile murder, the world's prisons would be full of innocent armchair detectives! The fact Kegan Kline looked up details of the Delphi murders online says precisely nothing about him, except he had a morbid curiosity about it - like countless other people!
Kline may have had extra reason to be curious about this double child homicide, if he'd previously cat-fished/communicated with Libby online (as has been suggested). Again, that doesn't mean he had any connection with her death - the internet is full of online perverts like him, targeting young women and girls. Most of them do not murder anyone.
Why are so many YouTubers/commentators deciding the new suspect Richard Allen must have known/or be linked to the Klines? I don't see that at all. First off there's no evidence Libby and Abby had arranged to meet anyone that day. On the contrary, from the start, cops said they did NOT believe they'd arranged any rendezvous. Libby's older sister Kelsi who drive the girls there that day in her car said the same, she didn't sense they were meeting anyone, only going for a hike.
In all likelihood the girls were targeted by an opportunist predator they'd never met before. That's why Libby took secret video of him following them over the bridge - he was a scary stranger. And stranger killings are the hardest to solve. Even so, bearing in mind Supt Doug Carter always said the killer could be local man and 'hiding in plain sight', if it IS Allen it's shocking he lived a stone's thrown from the crime scene - right under law enforcement's noses - yet they didn't catch him for the best part of six years.
We shall see - but I'm not getting excited about tomorrow's police media briefing just yet. We've been led down the garden path by Supt Carter and the Keystone Cops too many times before!
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Charles walked into Lori's new home (which he paid the rent on), that sunny morning, to take their adopted son JJ out for breakfast. He was unarmed, and unsuspecting, when her brother Alex Cox ambushed him, shooting him multiple times in the chest and torso. He didn't stand a chance.
Later when his body was moved by police, they found a bullet underneath it, on the floor - meaning at least one shot was fired at him as he lay helpless on the ground. Charles left Lori's home in a body bag. Little JJ's devoted daddy, and main protector, was dead.
Alex and Lori ludicrously told Chandler Police that Cox had killed him in 'self defence'. Charles was unarmed - they claimed he had been 'aggressive' towards Lori, and had hit Alex over the head with a child's baseball bat he found inside the home. Even if that unlikely story were true, how is shooting an unarmed guy multiple times in the chest 'self defence' in that situation?
Yet incredibly, Chandler Police accepted the killers' explanation at face value, and didn't arrest or detain them! Law enforcement's inaction over Charles Vallow's violent death really beggars belief. A quick police computer check would have told them the victim Charles had no history of violence or domestic abuse, while his killer Alex Cox was a convicted felon, who had done prison time for a serious assault on Lori's previous husband Joseph Ryan, involving a taser!
And because police took no action against Charles' murderers, they were at liberty (with Chad Daybell) to murder Lori's two children JJ and Tylee, and Chad's wife Tammy Daybell over the next three months. Chandler Police must be held accountable for their appalling failings over the Charles Vallow homicide. Those incompetent police officers have the blood of at least three murder victims on their hands!
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Yes, Lori Vallow, her brother Alex Cox, and her lover Chad Daybell's diabolical crimes have taken an enormous physical and emotional toll on the many surviving victims closely tied to this case.
Sadly, Colby Ryan has not escaped his malevolent mother Lori's dark influence totally unscathed. Last year, September 2022, he admitted raping his estranged wife at the home they once shared, during an access visit to see his kids. It's said he apologised to the mother of his children, and told her it would never happen again.
She initially, bravely pressed charges against Colby Ryan for rape. But I suspect all the inevitable publicity (due to Colby's infamous criminal family connections), deterred her from proceeding. All rape trials are an horrendous ordeal for the victim. but In this case the global publicity made it an even more stressful and terrifying prospect for her.
The sexual assault case against Colby Ryan was dismissed 'without prejudice', meaning it could be picked up again and resurrected at any time. I hope that serves as a reminder to him to keep his hands off unwilling women, and NO means NO.
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@AnzuMiruku Interesting post. Still so many unanswered questions! I hope Monday's police briefing will share some long awaited facts with us - but on police conduct so far, I doubt it!
To date, law enforcement has been ridiculously over-cautious and tight-lipped, due in my view, to their inexperience in handling a homicide investigation of this magnitude. And that information vacuum only helped the killer escape justice for nearly 6 years, and turned this into a cold case.
They should have called in the FBI from day one and deferred to their superior expertise. But Supt Doug Carter is an inflated ego on legs, who wasn't willing to surrender such a high-profile homicide - and all the publicity he personally got from it - not even to the FBI who would undoubtedly have done a far better job. IMO this was all about Carter's ego and image. If I were Libby and Abby's family, I would hold Carter personally responsible for the failed police investigation.
Assuming he IS the killer, Richard Allen obviously felt safe to remain in Delphi after committing such a massively publicised and shocking, double child homicide. He was a 'respectable' husband and father, with a responsible job as a licensed pharmacist. Local people would have trusted him due to his personal and professional circumstances - and he was the classic, upstanding white, middle class, middle aged male, who automatically commands respect above all other profiles.
The assumption is generally that murderers like this are loners and oddball losers, Allen would not fit the bill of what people expect. But in truth these sorts of crimes require immense narcissism and let's not forget, confidence too - the killer abducted, assaulted and murdered two children in a public place in broad daylight. He was obviously pretty certain he'd succeed in his sinister plan and escape justice, outwitting the various witnesses and the police, Narcissists always believe they are smarter than everyone else.
That said, I feel there has to be something strange and unsettling about Richard Allen, if he was capable of plotting and carrying out a sick, sexually-motivated crime like the Delphi murders. And living in the community, locals surely must have noticed some odd quirks and qualities in him they felt uncomfortable around, though they couldn't quite put their finger on why. He likely made women in particular feel unsettled around him. He may even have behaved in inappropriate ways sexually, in the presence of women and girls. I believe some locals will say they are shocked if he is charged with these murders - but equally, others will say they never liked or trusted him.
I'm desperate to know what evidence prompted police to arrest Richard Allen now. His name has been mentioned on social media in the past in connection with the murders, so he's NOT new to police. I keep reading that dog hairs were found on the victims' bodies (no idea if that's true) - have they finally been matched to a pet belonging to Allen? And whatever the evidence, why the hell has it taken so damn long to put him behind bars? Women and girls' lives have been in danger while Libby and Abby's killer walked free. Whatever we learn on Monday, police have some serious questions to answer!
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Yet another red herring, in a police investigation so horribly bungled that 4 years on, the Delphi Murders have achieved Cold Case status. Well done Supt Doug Carter and the rest of the Keystone Cops!
This announcement is further, depressing evidence that police are no closer to identifying the killer of Abby Williams and Libby German after a 4 year investigation. Kegan Kline, the online paedo, was in detectives' sights from the very start. They searched his home straight after the murders in February 2017, but found no connection between him and the victims. If they had, he would have been arrested (and probably charged), in 2017, within weeks of the murders.
From the get-go, Supt Carter said that Libby and Abby's online activity had been forensically studied by experts, and there was no evidence of them communicating with males or arranging to meet anyone on the day they were killed. Obviously that was the first line of inquiry police explored. The findings pointed not to an online predator, but to an opportunist offender, loitering that day looking for a victim/victims, when the girls came into his sights. It was in all likelihood a classic case of 'wrong place, wrong time' for poor Abby and Libby.
Now suddenly 4 years later police do a 360 degree about-turn, and suggest there is a connection between Kline and this notorious, unsolved double child murder. The only problem is - they still haven't found any actual link! So they've launched a public fishing expedition, in hopes someone out there can give them what they can't find for themselves. Frankly I doubt Carter and Co could find their own arse with both hands, if the lights went out.
Under Supt Carter's dubious leadership, this double homicide investigation was mishandled from the start. Supt Carter's ridiculous posturing at the first big press conference (addressing the killer directly, suggesting he was in the room and telling him; "You want to know what we know, and very soon you will", yada, yada), was pointless and preposterous. It certainly didn't inspire confidence. Did he really think a sex killer would have a pang of conscience and give himself up?!
If he wanted to appeal directly to someone, he should have addressed those individuals who undoubtedly recognised the murderer from the video footage. The biggest and best clue handed to police on a plate came from one of the victims, young Libby, whose courage and quick-thinking snagged them video images and audio of the killer. What an amazing girl she was. Who knows what she would have achieved had she lived, and realised her ambition to work in forensics. Libby's brilliant cellphone footage was detectives' best asset, and elevated an already huge crime story to the lead item on every TV bulletin and news website.
Police should have exploited that huge publicity and the chilling video of the suspect to the max, by appealing to individuals out there who inevitably recognised and could identify the man on the bridge. Crucially, had Supt Carter boosted the killer's profile by sharing some additional, unique features of his MO, there was a chance at least one person would know him - and give them his name. The crime scene, and the girls' injuries, must have yielded many clues to the murderer's identity. Were footprints found indicating his shoe size? Could they say he was likely right or left handed? What behaviours did he exhibit, eg had he tied the girls up, and if so, with what? Such a detail shared could mean a light bulb moment for a friend, relative or a previous victim - and that one 911 call that provides a critical piece of the jigsaw.
But with Supt Carter at the helm, police stuck doggedly to their policy of sharing no such details of the killer or crime. Their silence created an information vacuum, and gave the public no opportunities to help identify 'bridge guy'. This policy was and remains incredibly short sighted, and is surely a big factor in this crime remaining unsolved after 4 years. Make no mistake, no crime be it a mugging or mass murder, was ever solved without the public's help! Supt Carter didn't help matters 2 years in, when he revealed a second, totally contrasting artist's impression of the killer, at a news conference so hastily arranged, Libby and Abby's loved-ones were given scant notice of it. Suddenly the suspect, so obviously a middle aged man between 40-55 on the video, was a much younger man in his late teens or twenties.
This latest so-called 'development' of an online suspect who was eliminated in 2017, is nothing of the kind. It's desperate - and only shows cops are still no closer to solving this case. Poor Abby and Libby have not had justice, and ALL women and girls are at risk while this maniac remains on the loose. He will be more emboldened and dangerous than ever, having got away with an audacious double murder, in broad daylight. You don't have to be an criminologist to know he will kill again. Sex killers are the worst recidivists of all, because they are so highly motivated to re-offend. It's not a question of if but when.
The police investigation to date. It's now high time a brand new team of detectives replaced Carter and Co, and the investigation was fully overhauled. Abby and Libby, and every woman and girl, deserve nothing less.
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True, it's crazy how people are saying there has to be a connection of some kind between Kegan Kline the pervert who cat-fished Libby online, and Richard Allen the alleged predator who murdered her and Abby. Why? There are perverts and abusers everywhere!
Even the late Ron Logan who owned the land the girls were killed on had a history of violence against women. Depending on your exact location, wherever you reside in America, chances are you have at least 200 registered sex offenders living within 5 miles of your home. And that's before you consider all the perverts and abusers who've never been charged with any crime, and exist under the radar as supposedly 'respectable citizens' (Richard Allen is in this category). There are at least as many, if not more, of them!
In all likelihood Libby and Abby were in the wrong place at the wrong time, targeted by a total stranger in an opportunist attack. Their killer was looking for a vulnerable, lone female to attack. When he saw the girls, he calculated they were young enough to scare and subdue with threats of a weapon.
So-called 'Stranger murders, in which the only link between victim and perpetrator is the crime, are notoriously the hardest to solve. That fact will no doubt be used by police to excuse their near-six years of failure to catch the man. However, the police said from the start they thought the killer was local and quote: '...hiding in plain sight'. Which only makes their bungled search for him even harder to understand!
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