Comments by "Charles Eye" (@TheCharleseye) on "" video.

  1. Zoe Thomas The same reason most people get annoyed when they find out someone is a Jehovah's Witness. It's not that being one is bad. It's just that typically, the rare interactions they have with one involves listening to a dissertation on how much more enlightened a Vegan/Jehovah is and how anyone who chooses not to be one is reprehensible. Tends to leave a bad taste in your mouth and put you on the quick offensive whenever you meet someone who claims said lifestyle.
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  2. Penny Polendina Who is trying to undo death with more life? We don't breed more livestock to appease some higher being for the ones we killed. We breed more livestock to EAT them. It's not like when we plant a grove of trees to make up for deforestation. It's more akin to the groves we have that are specifically used and replanted for our products. As for comparing cannibalism to eating animal meat and forced breeding of humans to that of livestock, well, good luck with that argument. Livestock are not our equals. The value of any given life is decided by the ecosystem in which it exists. In human society, we price animal meat by the pound. If I decide to take a stroll through the North woods unarmed, it's the mountain lions and the grizzlies that get to decide what MY life's worth. The fact is that we figured out how to take ourselves out of their food chain and create our own. Are there things that should be changed about our system? Absolutely. Are false analogies comparing human women and children to cows and pigs going to do anything to help with that? Not in the slightest.
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  3. Zoe Thomas But that was my point. It's not that you are causing it, just like it's not most Jehovah's Witnesses causing it. It's that there are very vocal members of both camps who - due to their overbearing nature - make the rest of you look bad. The most vocal Vegans are typically incredibly arrogant. They look down on everyone else and cast dispersions on anyone who doesn't choose to be Vegan as well. Those people become the "Poster People" for Veganism, simply by virtue of being the loudest. You get lumped in with them because most people don't even know that there are rational Vegans. How could they? Those of you who are, aren't exactly standing up on soapboxes to project your moderate message to the masses. It sucks but it's how things are.
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  4. Penny Polendina Of course animal life has a value. All life has a value. It's assigned by those with the checkbook. Animal life is worth as much as people are willing to pay to for it. Likewise, human life is worth as much as we are willing to pay to preserve it. No more, no less. It's not about animal lives having no value, it's about them having far less value. When discussing the "TUV" vs "XYZ" of how we treat our food, you have to be able to make a value-based argument to make headway. The end result is GOING to be dead animals regardless of how they're treated. It's hard to convince people to pay more for a dead cow, simply to give it a slightly better life before its inevitable death and consumption. You have to work a different angle. Example: Kobe beef is arguably the best tasting meat in the world. The cows live better than a lot of people do and the end result is the most tender, flavorful steak you'll ever taste. It also happens to be the most expensive and hardest to find beef in the world, due to it only being produced on a small scale. If we were to start rolling out changes to US cattle facilities to bring them up to the standards used to produce Kobe beef, we could all be eating far superior meat to what we have now and for a fraction of the cost of Kobe. See? Suddenly, there's value in giving livestock a better life. There's a reason for the average dead cow eater to care how that cow lived. We want everything the super rich have and we want it for Walmart prices. Will we ever get to the point where all cows are treated as well as Kobe cows? No. Would we be able to drastically increase their living conditions from what they are now? Most likely.
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  5. Penny Polendina Wow, you are incredibly adept at extracting exactly what you want from someone's statement and discarding everything they actually said. I had no idea I was talking to someone with such an advanced case of denial. I'll leave you to that. There really is no reason to carry the discussion any further than it has gone. Be well.
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  6. Penny Polendina What argument? You haven't said anything to refute. I told you how SOCIETY places value on LIFE and you came back with nonsense about a person's income and expense. I talked about the way to add value to giving better care to livestock and you sputtered about balancing the number of lives taken with the number of lives created. Nothing you said would even remotely be construed as a logical or evidence based argument against anything I said. How exactly am I supposed to proceed? Should I counter your irrelevant retort with a dissertation on my favorite color? Would you like a sonnet about the benefits of button-fly jeans? Either one would be about as relevant as the "argument" you last presented. Now, if you'd like to give my comment another read and try coming back with something that actually addresses the things I talked about, I would be happy to keep this going. Otherwise, if you're just going to change the subject, there's really no point. You can go ahead and come back with another "clever quip" about me and "win"... or whatever it is you think having the last word in a YouTube thread gets you. Let's see which way you go with it.
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  7. I'm currently in the middle of killing off my front lawn. It''s too small to do anything with, so I don't feel the need to regularly mow grass. There are plenty of ground cover plants that only grow to 3-6" high, so I'll be replacing the grass with something easier to maintain.
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