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@AnonHeX If I understand the question correctly, you are asking me why I don't believe in any specific religion.
This is a personal opinion and I am quite willing to say I am wrong, if proved otherwise. It is not representative of any other Mason, but me.
I believe that religion is a man made thing and was made and developed in such a way as to preserve the status quo for a few very powerful and clever people. They realised that there are a lot of very dumb people out there, who will believe any old claptrap that they are told in the name of religion...playing on their superstitions and their fears. For example, most people are afraid to die, because they do not know what happens after death... these guys come up with an answer (behave yourself and follow the rules *the ones they made up*) that you should follow and you will have everlasting life in Heaven. These clever people became "the Church"and still wield an INCREDIBLE amount of power.. not to mention wealth.
I firmly believe that whatever entity created the universe, is so way way way beyond our comprehension that we, as human beings with our flimsy, pathetic brains could not come anywhere near comprehending "God" and thereby forming any sort of relationship with it.
Also, why on Earth should any being so hugely powerful give a damn about us? Does a scientist in a lab that grows some mould care abut it? NO! We are as mould..we are insignificant. Isn't it hugely arrogant to think that God should care about us? He loves us? Wow.. tell that to a child with bone cancer... tell that to the millions that starve to death through lack of food and clean water...tell that to the countless Jews/Gypsys/Gays/Freemasons that were tortured and murdered in WW2....that's the kind of "love" I could do without thanks very much.
No. What all the religious zealots imagine to be the truth is just wishful thinking. We'd LIKE all the myths and legends to be true.... but they aren't and in my humble opinion, those that DO believe in all that religious nonsense are having the worlds biggest con played upon them.
A persons religion is (broadly speaking) dependent on where he is born on the planet. Is that right? Is that the way to form a religious dogma? And the rules of the religion, far from being divine, are largely based on the social structure of the location? So if it is socially acceptable for the woman to be the 2nd class citizen... it's because "God" said so? What a load of old bollocks. So whatever religion is the biggest, is dependent on population? Bloody hell, what a con!
Wake up, you Muppets and smell the coffee.
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@owaissaiyed01 Good morning Owais. Please accept my apologies for the lateness of my response.
Our agenda is to take good men and make them better. To serve our communities. To exhibit kindness and charity to those that may need a helping hand.
I really don't inderstand your question about funding our buildings. Some Masons meet in places that need little to maintain them, some are more expensive. My annual dues for one of my Lodges, part of which is used for building maintenance, is just under £200 per year. That's not a lot of money.
As Will Derby said, the last POTUS who was also Mason was Gerald Ford. Out of the 43 others, only another 13 were Masons. Probably much less than you imagined.
I never said nothing was secret...I said hardly anything. But they are merely modes of recognition and are easily found on the net and in books. They are unimportant, but as we have taken an obligation not to reveal them, purely as a symbol of our integrity, you won't get them from me.
The star if which you speak is a symbol. Many different people use the same symbol, but have vastly different meanings for them. For example, the swastika. You immediately think of Nazis, right? Well for well over 1000 years, it has been a Hindu good luck symbol. The pentagram...a demonic symbol, yes? Well why is there 50 of them on the flag of the usa? See where I'm going with this?
Nope...we're not hiding anything, (apart from the modes of recognition) hence my invitation for you and anyone else to ask me whatever you or they want.
You say "the facts" say different. Well, you have all your "facts" wrong, my friend. You don't HAVE facts...you sir, have misconceptions.
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@michaelmccaffrey2731 Good morning Michael. It is not widely known, but Freemasonry uses archaic language in a lot of it's work. The word "Worshipful" in a Masonic context, does not mean that he is worshipped. In a Masonic context, "Worshipful" means "worthy of respect". It is used in the same way as a Judge..."His Worship, Judge Smith". Or perhaps, a Mayor, "His Worship, Mayor Jones".
By the way, every single Brother who has been Master of a Lodge, is then called "Worshipful Brother XXXX" as opposed to "Brother XXXX" BEFORE he reached that office. So, even though I am no longer Master of my Lodge, I am still called "Worshipful Brother Cxxxxxx".
Make no mistake, a Mason must have a belief in a single supreme being that created the universe. The identity of that being, we leave up to the individual Mason and the vast majority are Christian.
Being a Mason is not sinful, so there is nothing to repent for. We all believe in whatever deity we believed, in before we were Freemasons, nothing changes. There are no further religious requirements when a man joins Freemasonry or at any time he is a member.
Please feel free to come back to me if you have any further questions.
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@skimp man Thanks for your post.
Yes our organisation has Degrees. However, the Degrees are simply moral and ethical teaching. In other words, veering toward helping your fellow man and becoming a better person. By the time a man get as high as he can go, he'll be well educated when it comes to doing good work and being a good man in general it's not as if he's getting more and more "powerful". Freemasons don't "do" power... we have no interest in that sort of thing. Why on Earth would we try to use power "against the innocent"? We are humble, we exhibit self-control and we look for ways to help our fellow man. If a man joins for power and control he's soon weeded out and is either expelled, or leaves of his own volition.
The "knowledge" of the Craft are the moral and ethical lessons of which I speak.. they are for the benefit of mankind rather than the benefit of that individual Mason. We like to give rather than receive.
Who is to stop the Lodge being ruled like a criminal organisation? Er.. the brethren of the Lodge! the Master of the Lodge is ELECTED by the Brethren. Even if there was an "element" of bad guys in the Lodge that wants to put one of their own in the Chair, the majority would vote against.
In any case, a Master must rule his Lodge within the principles and tenets of Freemasonry and they, among others, are moral rectitude, community service and philanthropy. when a man becomes the Master of the Lodge, he MUST give his unqualified assent to a number of conditions of his mastership. One of them is "You assent to be a good man and true and strictly to obey the moral law". This means you must be morally upright and to do good works. If a man does the opposite, the Brethren can complain to a higher power and he can be removed.
In any case, Most Masters only serve a year in office before his successor takes over. The maximum a Master can serve is almost always just two years unless he has special dispensation from a higher authority.
The Master of the Lodge is, in theory, the Chief Executive of the Lodge and his word is law... but in practice, decisions affecting the Lodge are agreed by a Committee.. it is done democratically. But if a Master decided to run the Lodge like a dictatorship, the Members simply would not attend, so his "decrees" would fall on deaf ears. In over 20 years as a Mason I have never met a Master who wanted to be a dictator. 99% of Masons are really lovely guys and like to do things to make people happy!
You use the phrase "so many secrets".. well the truth is, there aren't many secrets at all..and in reality, they aren't secrets.. they are all over the internet and in libraries.. we swear not to reveal them, but thats only as a test of our integrity not because they are Earth-shatteringly important...they aren't.. they are only relevant in the ceremonies on the Lodge and are never used outside.... So if we can't keep these little things to ourselves, what would our word be worth?
There is no immoral or manipulative use of power.. Masons just don't do that either.. it is exactly opposite of what our degrees teach us.. they teach us to be good, upright men..any man that has gone through these degrees and acts in accordance with them will inevitably do good works...
You mention confession and communion. Why would you say that? Freemasonry is NOT a religion, a substitute for one, or a religious group of any description. We don't do confession or communion because church is the place for that.
I am not going to go too deep in to the whole "why doesn't the Catholic Church like Freemasons" bit, because it is a complex issue, but I believe it is about tolerance. Members of Freemasonry have their own private individual religious beliefs.. we have Christians (Catholics too!), Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists and non-religious members from all over the planet.... but we agree to allow each member to believe whatever they want.. it won't get in the way of our friendships...it is called "tolerance".. the Catholic Church doesn't like that and are all about building numbers up in an effort to control a large group of people. That is a PERSONAL opinion and not the outlook as Freemasonry as a whole. Freemasonry has no political or religious stance. It is FORBIDDEN to discuss religion or politics at our meetings.
I hope I have answered your questions. If you have more, please come back to me.
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@Miserable Old-Man Doubtful you were NOT invited as we DO NOT invite anyone to join. Looks like you want to seem impressive because someone you perceive to be important wanted you to be part of their group. It has to be "of your own free will and accord"..and thats part of the ceremony. So you are lying or are VERY forgetful!
Some are nice and some are not? What did you expect? We are human beings.. some people you will hit it off with.. some you won't. Wake up and smell the coffee will ya?
You make out that people only join because of the perceived mystery. Wrong again (you're making a bit of a habit of being wrong aren't you?) because I joined for what I consider to be the usual reason. I found out that several men whom I admire greatly were Freemasons and reasoned that any society where they meet together as equals can only be a good thing. My wife was opposed to my joining at first. Several years elapsed after I withdrew my application, but on meeting these guys and their wives over time she came round to my way of thinking. We joined because we are good guys who are like-minded.. what's wrong with that?
You could not be more wrong about our "secrecy". Yes, in days gone by, our meetings were held in secret to avoid persecution from the Nazis. Hundreds, if not thousands of Freemasons were rounded up and murdered in the same way as Jews. Until then, Freemasons were as active in society as any other group. Recently though, we have adopted a policy of openness. We have websites, open days, we are in the phone book for God's sake! The United Grand Lodge of England's HQ is in Covent Garden in central London.. a HUGE building which runs free tours, several times a day almost every day of the year. Anyone can go in to the shop and buy Masonic regalia, ritual books, jewellery etc etc. Yeah.. some secret!
It is true to say that some people join for the wrong reasons. However, the main route in to Freemasonry is when a man asks his friend if he can join. This entails long discussions about the Craft.. what it is and what it is not. If a man wanted to join to elevate himself, the Proposer would know ha and would not propose him. It tends to be the ones who petition a Lodge without knowing anyone inside. But even the majority of those go on to have long Masonic careers because at the interview stage, their reasons for joining would be fathomed out. We don't get many wrong.
Come back when you know what you are talking about.
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@Stay Educated We'll have to agree to disagree on the drip poisoning of society.
Forget Jahbulon. It doesn't exist in Freemasonry and was only purported to be so, by complete whackos. In all my years in Freemasonry I have never ever seen anything like it. In the story of the Royal Arch, the real name of the almighty is found...and it is in three syllables. Some fools think it's Jah Bul and On... and THEY say these are short for Yahweh, Baal and Osiris. You can plainly see the shortened bits bear almost no resemblance to the longer ones. For example, how can "On" represent "Osiris"?
You may have seen a human/goat like creature, that is said to have the name Baphomet. All this character represents, is up and down, male and female, animal and human etc etc.... the opposites of human life on Earth and was created by a 19th century "mystic" called Eliphas Levi. Some stupid people, think it represents the devil and they also think WE worship the devil.. so put two and two together and get five.
There is no such thing as Baphomet or Jahbulon in Freemasonry nor in the world of the Templars. Philip iv of France played on the superstitions of the people of the time to win their support... to turn the populace against them..and bring them down. Rather like the "Witch Trials" in Salem, Massachusetts. Completely ridiculous.
"Constant pop up"? Well, the all-seeing eye (sometimes called the eye of providence) is used to remind us that our words and actions are all under the watchful eye of whatever it is that created the universe and encourages us to do our best at all times. It's not a "Masonic" symbol per se, as it has been used by many different peoples from time immemorial.
It is forbidden to let ones Freemasonry interfere with ones work. It is certainly forbidden to personally gain by virtue of one's membership. If anyone is found doing it, Masonic discipline is swift. it can lead to being expelled from Freemasonry. That said, the vast, vast majority of men in positions of power in all aspects of our daily lives are not Freemasons. It's just something that people assume.
The black and white tiles are a reminder to us of life's ups and downs... rights and wrongs, good times and bad times... in other words, that life does not go smoothly. One will experience highs and lows in life. Expect it.. deal with it.
Many conspiracy theorists subscribe that the "lower ranks" are kept in ignorance. they only things they are kept in ignorance of (until it's their time for promotion) are the ceremonies, the signs, grips and words of the Degrees being worked. There is nothing Earth-shatteringly important that is known by those "at the top" as you might say. An Entered Apprentice, on his first night as a Freemason is treated with as much respect and regard as a Mason of the 33rd Degree. We are all equal.
No Masons "want to rid the world of corrupt organisations", regardless of their rank. That's not what we're about. That's not what we're for. We leave that sort of thing to the authorities. Yes, we want to make the world better for as many people as we can..but we only have 6.5 million members worldwide. Compare that to almost 8 BILLION. It's a tiny tiny percentage. the vast majority of our good works are unknown. In general, we don't advertise the good things we do. Did you hear about our programme to give every elderly person in our local hospitals a free iPad so they could communicate with their relatives during lockdown? No, I don't suppose you did...see what I mean? Did you know that in the USA, there are 22 hospitals for the FREE treatment of children... all children. Who built these hospitals? Freemasons. Who pays to keep them open? Freemasons. There are kids walking around (and grown-ups) now that otherwise would not be... because of us. They are an appendant body of Freemasonry called "Shriners".
https://www.shrinersinternational.org
Why WOULD the "higher rankings" be behind this? If anyone wanted to get up to nefarious activities... why would the have to join Freemasonry to do it? The answer is... they wouldn't. All I can say is that Freemasons around the world do a HUGE amount of good works for many different people... but because we are a tiny number, you rarely hear of it. But the people who benefit as a result of us, never forget us.
I have no idea who came up with that last quote.
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@magyy8727 Margaret...secrecy is not necessarily a bad thing. For example, do you tell everyone your PIN for your ATM card? What about the alarm code for your house? Tell everyone? Do you invite passing strangers in to your house so that they can listen to your family business? When people work for corporations, they are bound by confidentiality agreements... secrets! When I was in the Royal Navy, my security clearance was Top Secret because I handled very sensitive material, which, if leaked to any potential enemy would put us at a disadvantage.
So you see, although yes, there can be things of a nefarious nature that are kept secret. But it doesn't mean that because they are secret, they are nefarious. Or do you subscribe to "Politicians Logic"? All cats have four legs. My dog has four legs. Therefore, my dog is a cat!
I've been a Mason for 23 years and have visited Lodges in 22 countries all over the world. Never once have I witnessed anything like you say.
Madam, you are speculating over something of which you know nothing!
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Stay Educated I'm pretty sure Rockefeller was not a Freemason, but I cannot swear to it. If he was, it would be easy to find his Lodge and number. No trace of either. I am an English Mason and naturally, my knowledge is geared toward English things, but even I should be able to find that easily enough That said, I did do a lot of work in America and was pleased to join the Scottish Rite (not something we really have over here) and after years of service, was invited to the 33rd Degree in October 2018. THE highest rank in Freemasonry, is the Third, or "Master Masons" Degree.
Now let's look at this so called "masonic creed". As John D Rockefeller died in 1937 and the "creed" mentions "TV" and "video games"...I doubt very much it is genuine. Just another example of gullible people believing any old tripe as long as it fits in with their prejudiced, nasty, evil ideas.
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@jesussaves7615 As I said, many many Freemasons agree with you that there is no getting around God. He is THE ultimate entity in the universe. We, as Freemasons MUST believe that he is the creator of all that exists. That is, in fact, our primary requirement for membership. So I don't understand what your problem is.
Here's a passage from our book of lectures and ceremony which I have in front of me right now. If you like, you can contact me by email (therealist1964@yahoo.com) and I can scan it and show you myself or even made a small video of it.
"As a Freemason, let me recommend to your most serious contemplation, the volume of the sacred law (we use that phrase because we do not discriminate who comes in to Masonry by virtue of his religion.. so the volume of the sacred law, is whatever book the man holds most dear..in a lot of cases, it is the Holy Bible) charging you to consider it as the unerring standard of truth and justice and to regulate your life and actions by the divine precepts it contains. Therein, you will be taught the important duties you owe to God, to your neighbour and to yourself.
To God, by never mentioning his name, but with that awe and reverence which are, at all times, due from the creature to his creator....." and it goes on.
This is delivered to a Mason on his first night. If he cannot abide by this, he has to leave and never return.
I hope that goes some way to convincing you we have nothing to do with evil, the devil etc etc.
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@TheRenekruse God evening. Please accept my apologies for the late response.
Why do I use a pseudonym? Why does Spiderman wear a costume and a hood? Protection from the bad guys.
There are some nasty people out there and by the power of the internet, they can easily find where I live and where I work. This happened a while back when I did use my real name. I was stalked and abused. I don't care about that, I can take care of myself, but it got close to my family. I will not risk their safety.
Our meetings are about as "secret" as the confessional box. They are as "secret" as a board meeting of a corporation. They are as secret as your house when your family are having conversation. If someone knocked at your front door and asked to come in and watch what you guys get up to, would you let them? Of course, not. You'd tell them to mind their own bloody business! So what's the difference between the confessional, the boardroom your house and a Masonic meeting? NOTHING. In fact, In Masonry' we're a darn sight more open than YOU are. Would YOU be happy for a complete stranger to have a tour of your home? Of course not! At any other time than when we meet, it's perfectly fine for anyone to come in and have a look around and we'll answer any and all questions. Those that attend a Masonic meeting have earned the right to be there. You have not. So why on Earth should we let any Tom Dick and Harry in when we meet?
When you consider that Freemasonry has been around for at least 1000 years and is a global organisation. When you consider all the world leaders that have been around over the years and all over the world, the number of world leaders that have been Freemasons is microscopic compared to the number of ORDINARY me who have been. You are VASTLY mistaken. But let's look at some of our members. you say we are all villains?
Buzz Aldrin, Mozart, Joseph lister, Ernest Shackleton, Rick Wakeman, Duke Ellington, Oliver Hardy, Sir Alexander Fleming, Paul Revere, George Washington, Ben Franklin, Simon Bolivar, Sir Christopher Wren, Sir Winston Churchill, General MacArthur. More than 200 British and Commonwealth servicemen have received the Victoria Cross, the highest award for gallantry in the UK armed forces.
And you think people like these are not good people? You have NO idea and your comments are laughable.
Where do you get the ludicrous idea that we want to oppress anyone? We purposefully distance ourselves from religion and politics.. we have no interest at all in oppressing anyone. If you ask me, YOU are the oppressor of Freemasonry! Practice what you preach sir!!!
I served in the Royal Navy for 25 years. In all that time, I saw much action around the world, defending the weak from those who wish to oppress them. I was involved in disaster relief, helping people in areas where there have been natural disasters. When based at various USN bases, I developed outreach programmes between British and US naval Masons, and the poor of the local area. And you say we OPPRESS PEOPLE! You have NO IDEA. HOW DARE you speak of me and my Brethren in such a manner. You are a stain on humanity and it is people like YOU who should look in the mirror with a sense of shame. You disgust me.
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Golifa Primo, Er... he had to be on the ships in the face of the enemy and risk being blown up, drowned, burned alive, decapitated etc etc etc.... i other words, he was as much in battle as the men who manned the guns. Just like the storemen, the cooks, the clerks on board. As I said in an earlier post, my Dad was a Signalman too. On the Bridge of his ship, a friend of his asked him to move aside from the binnacle (google it) so that he could take a fix....my dad did so... 15 seconds later, my Dads friend had no head. It was as a result of the Bridge being hit by a shell and a piece of the shell casing taking his head off. If my Dad had been standing there 15 seconds later....I wouldn't be writing this now. Not all heroes carry guns and not all those that carry guns are heroes.
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@user-fz9ei1ig5s What does "in the name of or nothing" mean?
Ok.. a "ritual" is just a set of actions that are regularly repeated. for example, you get up in the morning, use the toilet, shower, shave, have breakfast, got to work, have lunch, come home, have dinner, watch TV, go to bed. That is a ritual!
Now, you say Romans 12:1 talks about god only approving of cults in his name. This is Romans 12:1
"Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship".
It has nothing to do with cults!
And to be absolutely clear, it is a REQUIREMENT to have a belief in some sort of Supreme Being, by whatever name it is known. It could be God, Yahweh, Allah etc etc. We make no distinction between religions.. a man may have any faith he wishes.
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@old_redlk3319 Good afternoon, Stephanie. You are completely correct. Freemasonry is nothing like a religion. All discussion of religion and politics is prohibited when we meet. Why? Because those are the two subjects that have the potential to cause hostility, even among friends and family members. Two words...civil war! Brother killed brothers, friends killed friends... over politics. Freemasonry is about unity and harmony... not division and discord.
Also, a religion needs a central figure of belief, like a god of some sort. Freemasonry has no god. It needs sacraments. Freemasonry has no sacraments. It needs a promise of salvation. There is no promise of salvation in Freemasonry. There is no religious teaching and no worship of any kind. To be clear, though, you may have heard that the head of a Lodge is called the "Worshipful Master". The word "Worshipful, in this context, is taken from the old English and means "worthy of respect". You may have heard of the term used like "His Worship, the Mayor"....or perhaps in a court, "His Worship, Judge Smith".
Masons are expected to follow their own respective religions, be that Christianity, Islam, Hinduism etc. and indeed they retain their religious preference even when meeting... but the discussions should be left to outside the Lodge room!
Also, there are many members of Freemasonry who are ordained members of their own Church. A Freemason Brother of mine, performed my wedding and baptised my children. He also performed the funeral service for my father, even though my Father was not a Mason.
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@MatthewStein-m8y Good morning, Matthew. First off, we don't take "oaths". We take "obligations". They are different. Google them.
The physical punishments described in the ritual, if a Mason breaks his obligation, are indeed severe. But, worry not! For right after they are described, to the Candidate, it is explained that they are ANCIENT penalties and NO LONGER APPLY.
Funny though, all the conspiracy theorists mention these blood-curdling punishments...but CONVEINENTLY FORGET....to mention that they no longer apply!
The absolute worst thing that will happen to anyone if they divulge the secrets, would be expulsion for life.
And by the way, even if those penalties were real today, nobody is ever hurt as a result of Freemasonry. A Freemason's obedience to the law comes before his Freemasonry.
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@amalpv5600 There are different interpretations of various symbols within Freemasonry, some of which, differ between Freemasons themselves. For me, the pentagram reminds me of geometry. the geometry required to make such a shape. The science of the universe.. the planet, the solar system, the galaxy and the universe could not exist without geometry. It also reminds me of the five points of fellowship explained to a Mason when taking his Third Degree. Here's an explanation.
The central bonds that hold Freemasonry together are found in the obligations we have taken and the commitment to which we honor them. The word fraternity has its origins in the Latin word "Frater," which means "Brother." Thus, our Fraternity is a Brotherhood, or sacred band of Brothers, committed to mutual support, understanding, and affection. The symbol which best communicates our commitment is the Five Pointed Star, presented in the Master Mason's Degree. Each point of the star represents a point of fellowship and reminds us of our obligations to each other. As a group of equals, the Five Pointed Star should guide our actions toward one another.
With the first point of fellowship, we are instructed to go by foot to answer the needs of others, including that of a Brother Freemason. This is not to say we ignore others in our benevolent acts. We look carefully not to ignore our Bothers in need. Beyond helping with Masonic instruction and guarding a Brother's fidelity, we should strive to insure our Brethren reach their potential and serve the Order to the fullest. Helping them to improve themselves helps us be better Freemasons.
Within the second point of fellowship, we find the power of our devotion, especially as directed for the benefit of a fallen Brother. When we kneel to pray, we call upon the most powerful force to bring about good. Acknowledging our dependence upon The Most High can lead to the wisdom to see His path, the courage to choose that path above all others, and the strength to carry out His will. Clarity of action and concern for the welfare of our Brethren makes Freemasonry a stronger Fraternity.
With the third point of fellowship, we are reminded of the responsibility of trust. Holding in our heart the secrets of our Brother Freemason is a sacred responsibility. We do have some discretion with those secrets, but our honor requires treating them with the utmost respect. When communicated to us confidentially, a Brother's words are to be securely guarded, as we would wish our own words to be properly guarded. We earn the trust of others by giving trust, and our Brother is our most trusted friend.
In the fourth point of fellowship, we are charged to support the character of our Brother, either before his face or behind his back. In an age when people eagerly seize rumors concerning the conduct of others, we must guard the character and integrity of our Brethren on all occasions. As Freemasons we are charged to erect our Masonic edifices, not tear them down, and a careless word can do more harm than good.
With the fifth point of fellowship, we are encouraged to give wise counsel to our Brother Freemason and to support him in his time of need. In Ancient Craft Masonry, the hand symbolized the support, while the whispered counsel, if found worthy, was equally common. The key is to see the responsibility of communicating good advice and providing support and help in implementing that advice. No matter who we are, we will need some help at some time, and, as Freemasons, we should strive to be available to offer our assistance to others when needed.
Thus the Five Pointed Star reminds us to extend love and affection to our Brother Freemasons, doing for each of them as we would wish done for each of us. Each point carries an important lesson and responsibility found within the teachings of the Third Degree. Never forget that five-pointed ritual and the bonds that unite us into a sacred band of friend and brothers who strive to emulate the love of the Supreme Grand Architect of the Universe.
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@boblotoldo3051 Not being privy to the conversation, it's difficult for me to comment further. Let me tell you though, that in my own Lodge we have Chief Executives, a Bishop, a Finance Director and Insurance Salesman, a Security Guard, a Fireman, a Chauffeur a Pizza Maker, a Doctor and three Caretakers (Janitors). That's just a short rundown of the many varied occupations. we come across in Masonic membership. Last year, the most senior member of the Lodge was the Brother that makes pizzas. A man's integrity and character are the definiing factors on what makes a good Mason...not his background, his cash or his occupation.
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@tinagomez4418 Good afternoon, Tina. Thank you for your most respectful and complete response. If only all correspoindents could be as your good self!
As for the first paragraph of your response.
In Freemasonry, there is no instruction as you mention. It is left to the individual Mason if he wishes to follow such a path. Some Masons do and some do not, but it is most certainly not de riguer! What men ARE invited to do, is to "make a daily advancement in Masonic knowledge. But as I said, all Brethren may proceed according to the compass of their own individual attainments and abilities.
Alchemy? Absolutely not.
As for the second/third paragraph...
I do not know what you mean by "the full truth", so cannot comment on that too much. But..I suspect that you fall in line with what most conspiracy theorists peddle..and that what is revealed, is nefarious, satanic and vile. No...that really is not the case. As a holder of the 33rd Degree of the Scottish Rite, I can categorically state, that that bunk is completely untrue. Yes, the bunk that the conspiracy theorists/religious zealots will spew out is full of mystery and intrigue...but that's how they sucker you in. In truth it's rather more mundane, I'm happy to say. What I will tell you, is that various things are revealed as the individual Mason progresses. But that's what happens when anyone learns a subject. You learn new things. Otherwise, what would be the point of studying anything? When I said pay no attention to Pike, it was really his massive tome "Morals and Dogma" to which I was referring. That bloody book has caused so many people to jump on us and accuse us of all kinds of wrongdoings. However, it has over 1000 pages... funny how, if it is as many people say, a manual of Satnaism, Luciferianism and pure evil... people only ever mention a few lines!
Pike did not write Morals and Dogma. He wrote only half of it and borrowed the other half, from other works, written by various other people. It is not a manual of Freemasonry. It is a discussion of the 32 lectures of the Scottish Rite, an appendant body of Freemasonry. Pike did use very florid language and used words, that today are usually used in different contexts. The big word of course, that everyone jumps on, is "Lucifer". Conspiracy theorists almost wet themselves when they see that! There are two dfacets of this. Firstly, Pike is saying it is ridiculous to use that name for Satan. Satan is acknowledge by all as the "Prince of Darkness". Pike is saying How can a word that means "Light Bringer"... also be used for the "Prince of Darkness"!? He goes on to use it in it's LITERAL sense. He goes on about Masonic knowledge...which we call "light". Lucifer means "Light Bringer"....so "Lucifer" = knowledge of Freemasonry". it does NOT reference the devil.
The foreword of Morals and Dogma is, quite savage in it's appraisal, but fair in my opinion. If you remember, I told you that is was only half written by Pike...and so the foreword says, and I quote "It would have been better if he had written less and borrowed more". It also says that those who read it, may believe every single word iof it, none of it, or some of it. It's up to the individual. This is PROOF that it is not a Masonic manual, but one man's writings on his opinions of the Scottish Rite.
Pike himself was a great man. He WAS and indeed IS respected. But the "most respected"? No. Everyone has equal respect in Freemasonry. He was a big fish in a small pond... the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction. He is only really well known BECAUSE of that book and the mistaken controversy it continues to cause. Soldier, Freemason, academic, lawyer, Episcopalian Christian. Yes, he was a great influence on the Scottish Rite and to Freemasonry in general, but when it comes to that darn book.. he REALLY dropped the ball!
Masonry, like all things, has evolved over the years. The core elements still remain. These, we term our "principles and tenets". We also have ancient landmarks that cannot be changed. In fact they were constituted by the Reverend James Anderson, 300 years ago in 1723. It's also important to realise that Freemasonry is one subject. the main appendant bodies (
in the USA anyway) are the Scottish Rite and the York Rite. Just because these have higher numbers within them, does not mean they are superior to the what your countrymen would term the "Blue Lodge". The HIGHEST Degree in Freemasonry, is the Third Degree, sometimes called the Master Masons Degree.
A good way to explain it is this way. In Regular Craft Freemasonry (Blue Lodge) there are three Degrees. Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master Mason. If you ally these to Cub Scout, Venture Scout and Eagle Scout, then the appendant degrees are the merit badges attached to the Eagle Scout. they are NOt superior to the Third Degree.
If you DO want to know about Freemasonry today, then talk to a Mason of today. I received the 33rd Degree in 2018 and am more than happy to talk to anyone about it. 99.99% is not secret and can be discussed with everyone. That said, if you really are interested in the subject, I would ABSOLUTELY tell you to talk to other Freemasons and to look in to Masonic history. Just be aware, that there is a LOT of disinformation out there. And some people who claim to be/have been Masons don't always tell the truth. And those that have, that give us a bad name..have usually been thrown out or perhaps have been rejected in the first place. This is their way of hitting back.
i have absolutely no reason to lie to you do I? What would be the point?
All I ask, is that if you ask me anything, you apply logic, reason and the balance of probability to my responses and then make up your own mind. You can even contact me by email if you wish . therealist1964@yahoo.co.uk
I look forward to hearing from you.
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@Donna Stowers Good evening, Donna. There is no hood, It is more a blindfold. It is a symbolic representation that the man is in darkness.... which is ignorance of Freemasonry.
The noose (we call it a cable-tow) is an outward sign of the solemnity of the ceremony the man is going through and also am acknowledgement that the man is, ideally making a lifetime pledge. The poignard (or dagger) placed to the naked left breast underpins the seriousness of the association with Freemasonry. There is no question of the Candidate being hurt in any way should he decide not to go through with the ceremony... it is all just symbolic. The noose, for example, is not even tightened.. it's left loose round the Candidates neck..
There is NO bath tub of blood. There is no being submerged in anything... that's just silly. No running round naked either. My goodness, what a vivid imagination you have.
In Craft Freemasonry, there are three Degrees. A man must be of the Third Degree, and have served at least ne full year as a Warden of the Lodge, in order to be eligible to be elected to be Master. If a man chooses to follow the Scottish Rite, he can reach the 32nd Degree well within a year, with several Degrees being conferred on a Candidate at meetings. The 33rd Degree is an honorary one and is by invitation only.
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@Prince Velkan While it is true that we have men of very high achievement in Freemasonry, the vast majority are ordinary working men, struggling to pay the bills, just like anyone. But you comment that we can use the knowledge and skills of these men... well that's what they do anyway.. for 8 hours or more per day every working week. I'm an Engineer by trade and served as a Deputy Marine Engineering Officer on British warships. I am now a director of an engineering training company that provides hands-on training for young people who may not be academically gifted, but are good with their hands. We then try to find them placements with various companies. But when I attend my Lodges (I'm a member of several Lodges) the last thing I want to talk about is work! Yes, I enjoy my job and I believe it helps others tremendously... but there has to be a separation. It gives me a chance to do something different, enjoy the company of men I would not otherwise get to meet and to help those who may be less fortunate than we are.
And we're NOT a secret organisation. Our Lodges all have websites these days. Masonic halls have our logo outside. Our HQ in London, England is a huge building in Covent Garden which runs free tours of the place for anyone for free, several times a day, most days of the year. Here's our website.
www.ugle.org.uk
So we're hardly a secret organisation, are we?
We don't do something great? Well, the answer is.. we do! In UK, w have an air ambulance service, getting to casualties in places where normal ambulances can't go, to provide life saving-care. Without support from Freemasonry, most would not be able to fly. We provide cash for disaster relief throughout the world. We have given MILLIONS to the Red Cross and the Red Crescent to save the lives of those poor souls to whom mother nature has not been kind.
My local cathedral needed a lift (elevator) to be installed so that the disable and elderly could explore this magnificent gothic building.. guess who paid for it?
https://www.freemasonrytoday.com/more-news/provinces-districts-a-groups/freemasons-continue-over-a-century-of-support-for-liverpool-cathedral#:~:text=The%20installation%20of%20a%20new,Masonic%20support%20for%20the%20Cathedral.
In the USA, the Shriners built and continue to finance 22 hospitals for the FREE treatment of all children.
https://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/shc
And the smaller but no less vital things. We made sure that in a dozen hospitals around my locality, those who could not be visited by family and friends due to covid, were given tablets to keep in touch. Free.. to keep.
https://www.barryanddistrictnews.co.uk/news/18473605.south-wales-freemasons-donate-100-tablets-hospitals/
Myself and a few of the Brethren of my Lodge, recently renovated a kids playground because it had been closed due to being unsafe. The local council said it had been scheduled to be refurbished, but due to budget cuts, the renovation had been shelved. We paid for materials and did the work ourselves. now, the local kids can play in safety.
I hope this makes things clear.
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@trickers24 Yes we have "secrets".... that are all freely available on the internet. All they are, are the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked. Everything else is open for discussion by anyone.
Penal codes? While it is true that physical penalties for revealing the secrets are explained to the Candidate during the Degree ceremonies, it is ALSO stated that these are ANCIENT penalties... from the time of King Solomon, when justice was a darn sight more harsh!.. It is explained that these penalties are no longer necessary. Nobody is ever harmed in Freemasonry.
That particular work by Pike is very poorly written and it was written for the time it was published. We've moved on a lot know and the phrasing we use is quite different. Pike did like to use floral language, even for the day, so many things are misunderstood. Pike was a passionate Freemason and held the 33rd Degree of the Scottish Rite, but he was also an Episcopalian Christian. Even today, some people describe their passions as their religion...without meaning ACTUAL religion. In England, for instance, soccer is some peoples religion!
The book was 50% his work and 50% borrowed from other sources. His bit was so poorly written, that even the foreword of it contained the comment "It would have been better if he had written less and borrowed more"!
Most lodges around the world do not have altars. This only really tends to be in the USA. For example, in England, a man will kneel at the pedestal of the Master of the Lodge when he is making an obligation. This is not for any other reason than to have physical contact with the place he is joining...hence the raised trouser leg. It is not in reverence to his god. It is easy to confuse Freemasonry for a religion, especially when the conspiracy theorists get their hands on things! But it really is not. It is missing vital qualifications..it has no deity of it's own, it has no sacraments, no clergy, n promise of salvation. These things are an absolute MUST for any religion.
Ritual ceremonies? Well, the word ritual MEANS ceremony. And everyone has rituals. It just means a set of actions that are repeated over and over. For example, your alarm clock goes off. You get up, shower, dress, have breakfast, brush your teeth, go to work, come home etc etc.... you probably do that 5 days a week. That in itself is a ritual. Churches perform rituals too, by the way! The word "ritual" is not sinister in any way.
More questions? Ask away.
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@Animation Nation Everything mentioned and done in the Degree ceremonies is symbolic...it MEANS something. For example, the "Square". Encourages a man to be fair and equitable in all things. Ever heard the phrase "square deal"? That's where it comes from.
A Candidate in the ceremony of Initiation.. the first ceremony he goes through, raises a trouser leg. Looks ridiculous when taken out of context, right? But this is done for two reasons. It is so that when he kneels, there is a physical contact between the man and his Lodge. It punches home, the connection between us all. It also shows that he has no marks on his legs which would have been left by manacles. This ensures he has never been a convict! Obviously, not all convicted criminals wear manacles.. and those that do, are not scarred by them these days. It's purely traditional.
Our ceremonies try to get over a philosophy of brotherly love, relief and truth. They are designed to encourage a man to build himself in to the best version of himself that he can.
A small correction. In Freemasonry, every man is considered with equal respect and regard. It doesn't matter if you are a Grand Officer with 60 tears in Freemasonry.. you are JUST as important as a man who has just been Initiated! We do not give a damn about colour, creed, social status, income, occupation etc etc. I'll give you an example. Recently, the Master of my Lodge was a Taxi Driver. Before that, he was a Sous chef. Not particularly "high profile" jobs.... not at all well paid. He took over from a man who had been a Hedge Fund Manager. they are the best of friends. They regularly socialise out of the Lodge. Their families are friendly too.
I am a 33rd Degree Freemason and am a Grand officer in the United Grand Lodge of England. I am usually the one serving the wine at the meal afterwards and regularly help with the clearing up etc. I may be a Grand Officer.. but I still have to take out the garbage in the mornings! From time to time, we DO get men who see themselves as something special because they gain a certain position. They are very soon given extra, informal, instruction that their behaviour may not be acceptable. Sometimes it's too much for them and they leave. Sometimes they take on board what has been said and see the error of their ways..making them in to better men.
I created this account to enable anyone to ask me anything on Freemasonry. If you have any questions, please let me know.
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@cosm1cstar I'm a Mason. I know the real truth. We are not evil in any way, shape or form. We exist to make good men better, and thereby make society a better place. We are far from perfect, but the importance rest on TRYING to be perfect. When we fall short, as we invariably do, we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and start all over again.
As you see fit to insult SharonLismanBaxter, you are in fact incorrect. We are extremely transparent. Your notion that all aspects of Freemasonry are shrouded in secrecy, is simply a case of you regurgitating something you heard on some stupid website, no doubt. You may ask me anything you like. I can tell you 99.9% of what happens in Freemasonry. Aside from the traditional modes of recognition, we have nothing to hide.
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@Gar Sm Would you have the LABOUR PARTY take the reigns? Are you for FU***NG REAL???? Dianne Abbot can't count.. Corbyn would sell us to Russia/The IRA in a heartbeat, John McDonald wouldn't do much except moan about the Tories even thought they would be the opposition!
Hasn't it occurred to you, that when Corbyn became Labour leader, he put together a shadow cabinet. He chose a group of people.. he best he could find.... to oppose the Tories front bench. One by one they resigned because even THEY couldn't stand him, his policies, his methodology and his thinking. So what does he do? He repl;aces them with the SECOND best he can think of... same thing happens. Approximately 75%of corbyns original cabinet have resigned or been sacked. Now.. Can you REALLY trust the judgement of a leader who could have got it so SPECTACULARLY wrong in the first place? I REALLY hope Corbyn stays on as leader.. while he is there, he will not be able to pull he wool over the electorates eyes....not even the daft students who only voted for him because he said he was going to do away with tuition fees... now these students, young, impressionable and callow, believe everything that he says... providing it's to their advantage of course!.. but they never thought to ask HOW he was going to pay for it? He had no CLUE how he was gong to pay for that and all the other things he promised.
It was so funny at PMQ's the other day when an issue was being discussed.. I can't remember which..but it was something that needed to be paid for..I think it was NHS funding... and the Tories proposed a way of paying... Corbyn rose and completely destroyed all hat the PM said, saying those methods would be a otal disaster for the country.... only for the PM to reply.. THOSE WERE THE SAME METHODS YOU PROPOSED THREE MONTHS AGO!
Stay there Corbyn.. the country is safe with YOUR LOT in opposition!
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@Susie Ashcroft Many years ago, there was a papal bull issued by the Roman Catholic Church, which said that if any man were to join Freemasonry, he was to be excommunicated. It was all one way.... Freemasonry has never ever barred Catholics from joining...or any other religion for that matter...but when the papal bulls were reviewed, the ones they wanted to maintain were officially reissued... the ban on men joining Freemasonry wasn't. That means that yes, according to canon law it's ok for any Catholic man to join Freemasonry if he wants to.
Why is it secret? Well the short answer to that is... it's not! Freemasons take an obligation not to reveal certain things.. but not because these things are important... in this case, it's the promise itself that is important. It's important that the man maintains his promise and this is regarded as a symbol of his integrity. What are the contents of the "secrets"? They are the signs, grips and words of the Degrees. That's it. EVERYTHING else in Freemasonry is open and can be discussed by anyone at all.
I am more than happy to answer any questions you may have about Freemasonry. I cannot divulge the signs, grips and words exactly to you... I will maintain my promise to conceal them. But I can let you know, for example, the origin of these secrets. And by the way, we CALL them secrets, but in fact they are easily available on the internet and in libraries.
You may ask me anything here, or if you prefer, my email which is therealist1964@yahoo.com
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@Anthony Bauguess To add to the comments of my Brother Adam, yes, he is perfectly correct. There is no doctrine. The ethos of Freemasonry is to improve onesself from a moral standpoint. A by-product of this, is to embrace the ability to be considerate of the needs of others and also to act on that ability. It is the done thing for a Freemason to behave in a decent and upright manner, to think of others before himself, to exude compassion and kindness and always to maintain an attitude of humility.
It is thought that we emerged from the stonemasons guilds of the middle ages. One of the aims of these guilds was to look after those members who may have fallen on hard times, until such time as they were able to look after themselves again. This moralistic way of behaving, with care and compassion, was based on the teachings of the Christian bible as 99% of the population of Great Britain were Christian.
Nowadays, we admit members from any faith. Members all believe in their own personal faith, but respect the beliefs of other without necessarily agreeing with them.
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@PoppiesAndPride Because speech is MOSTLY free. The illusion that we can all say what we want, whenever we want, has caused so many to be prosecuted. Yes the individual can say anything, as long as it causes no ham or is likely to cause a breach of the law. For example, I can go around saying I hate people who wear red hats... but if there is a person with a red hat walking past, I could be prosecuted as "inciting hatred".
It has become ridiculous of late, especially with the influx of the new Labour gov in the UK (I live in the UK) where the indigenous population cannot protest against what they genuinely feel to be a huge influx of illegal immigrants, but those who wish to "behead non-believers" can scream it all day long, anywhere they wish.
And of course, it isn't just verbal. Anything said on social media these days is subject to the same laws, if not even MORE laws... for example, "the malicious communications act" of 1988, hardly ever used since it's inception, is now very very commonly invoked to prosecute those who vent their feelings that way.
So no...free speech doesn't exist anymore and you can thank the politicians for that.
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@wendywesley9220 Thanks for your response Wendy. No, absolutely not for billionaires! 99.999% of Freemasons are just ordinary working men who struggle to pay the bills every month. Yes, there are also men who are very very rich! But in Freemasonry, all men regard every other member as their equal... the richest men respect the poorest men and vice versa.
In my Lodge we have company directors, we have a Lord, we have a Security Guard and two taxi drivers. The guy who is the security guard and one of the taxi drivers have been the Master of my Lodge. Equality is one of the greatest things in Freemasonry.
We do not have any influence in the running of anything other than Freemasonry. We don't control councils, governments, corporations etc...in fact we take a vow NOT to use our Freemasonry to do those things.
Freemasonry is not a religion, nor a substitute for one. ALL discussion of religion or politics is forbidden. And because of this, a Freemasons meeting is the only place on the planet where traditional mortal enemies can meet as equals and friends. I have often had a meeting where Catholic and Protestant, Sunni and Shia and Arab and Jew have met together. Not a hint of any division between them. Now that's GOT to be a good thing.
Why do we exist? Well there are a multitude of reasons for a man to join, but generally, we meet in order to try to become better men... better husbands.. better fathers.. better members of the community.
The reason I am here and use this name is to dispel the myths of Freemasonry. so many people "know" what it's all about, but they aren't Masons. so please, ask me anything you like about Freemasonry and i'll gladly try to answer you. If you prefer, you can use my personal email therealist1964@yahoo.com
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@wendywesley9220 Hi Wendy, the costs for joining vary from Lodge to Lodge so I'll give you the figures for my Lodge.
The first years membership includes a set of one-off charges, plus the annual fee for the Lodge that you join. This is around £350-ish for the first year and then £200 per year after that. There is a deduction for under 25's.
It is the easiest thing in the world to leave. A man simply has to write to the Secretary of the Lodge confirming his intention to leave. That's it. To be honest, not many leave, unless forced to due to other circumstances such a relocating for work, or a change in financial circumstances meaning they would find it difficult to afford the fees.
It seems like a "top-secret club" because that is a much perpetuated myth.. it simply is not true. Very often, a Masonic Hall is open to the public. For example, Freemasons Hall in London, England, is open. It runs free guided tours for anyone.. several times per day, most days of the year, of the building, the library, the Lodge rooms, the museum and of course the shop where we buy our regalia, ritual books etc etc. Questions are freely answered by the Mason taking the tour.
"Regular" Freemasonry is men only (although there are women's versions... we don't formally recognise them but have a good working relationship with them) and this is probably due to the possibility that we hail from medieval stonemasons guilds.. who were... due to the nature of the heavy work.. all men.
We have men and women who act as waiters and waitresses for the formal meal we have after our meeting. They are employed by the Masonic Hall where the Lodge meets. but there are no "servants" as such.
We are encouraged to talk about Freemasonry and I can tell you anything you wish to know, other than the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked. We make a promise not to reveal those.. not because they are Earth-shatteringly important... it's just as a symbol of our integrity. All else can be discussed openly.
We go through "Degree" ceremonies, which are, very simply, two-part morality plays... they teach moral lessons. We, as moral men, mix together at our meetings and socially and this mixing rubs off on us and this makes us all the same.. caring, kind, compassionate men. As stated previously, women do not play a part.. they cannot be members...however, when I am trying to learn by heart a part of the ceremony, my wife holds my book and go through it.. she keeps a check on me as I practice and helps me to practice.
Freemasonry is a worldwide fraternity. There are some Grand Lodges that are not recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England, the worlds oldest Grand Lodge, because they do not operate under the same principles as us. And in some countries Freemasonry is banned completely, but they tend to be in oppressive regimes in the Middle=East. Yes, there most certainly is Freemasonry all over Canada. Here's a link to a Lodge in Vancouver. I hope I've answered your questions adequately.
http://vancouver68.com/
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@Jacob Brown Good morning Jacob. We use the sun as an allegory for knowledge. Knowledge, is finding something which was previously hidden. If you are standing in total darkness with a bar of gold on the ground in front of you, you don't know it's there. The sun comes up, you see the bar.. bingo! You are few thousand better off! It's the same with knowledge. Knowledge of the self.. of the world.. of anything you want. Hence we use the word "light" as an allegory for knowledge. Hence the Master of the Lodge, the most senior member, represents what we all seek.. knowledge.
I have never ever carried out any act of worship in any Lodge of which I have been a member or any Lodge that I have visited, in 22 countries around the world, right form my First Degree to my 33rd. And nobody else did either.
Lucifer has nothing to do with Freemasonry. This is a misunderstanding of a rather clumsily-worded passage in a book that wasn't even about Freemasonry, from a man that only wrote around 50% of it and whom used archaic language even for the day. What's worse, is that most of the time, people who reference that passage, have not even read it, but simply repeat what others say, through sheer laziness. They cannot be bothered to read it for themselves.
There is no Masonic god. Each Mason must have a belief in a higher being who is responsible for the creation of the universe. This is the god they believed in even before they were Masons. There are no further religious requirements at any time in Freemasonry. none of the ceremonies a man goes through are religious ceremonies dedicated to any god whatsoever.
The sun is not regarded as the creator of all life... god is.. whatever god each individual Mason believes in, be they Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Sikh, whatever. The sun is necessary for sustaining life, not creating it.
Please feel free to comment or ask questions.
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@KWEBBLES KWEBBLES A belief in a supreme being is required because when a man becomes a Mason, he makes a series of promises (we call them obligations) not to reveal certain things. He is required to do that in the presence of the highest authority there is, the creator of the universe, by whatever name he is known to the Mason taking the obligation. This is to make the promise more solemn and serious and ultimately, more binding.
Ally it, if you will, to a juror being sworn in, or a witness in a trial. Also, what happens when a President of the USA is sworn in? He places his hand on a holy book, doesn't he?
So, the courtroom... the swearing in of the POTUS.. are THESE religious occasions? No, of course they aren't...and Freemasonry can be exonerated from being a religious organisation based on the same logic.
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@borkokostic8290 In 23 years membership there has been NOTHING to indicate I should run. You have it all wrong.
Here are other famous Masons.
Oliver Hardy, Buzz Aldrin, Sir Isaac Newton, Sir Christopher Wren, Harry Trueman, Audie Murphy, General MacArthur, General Norman Schwarzkopf, Oscar Wilde, Alexander Fleming.
If you don;t know some of these men, just google them. You will see that they are all great men. Do you REALLY think they'd be involved in something evil? If you still do after our exchanges, then there's really no more to say. Just continue to live in ignorance.
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@FREEDUMB4ALL That'd be the Altiyan Childs video. Sheeeeeesh! Well I haven't seen the entire 5 hours of it, but what I have seen is simply dredged info from conspiracy theorist websites. He'd probably get a guest spot on Infowars!
Let's look at Mr Childs. Musician, but troublemaker. So much so, that even though he has had some success, a lot of his efforts have ended in catastrophe. Many people of any note in the music business will not work with him and those that have, have curtailed their collaboration soon after beginning it. He's hardly a paragon of virtue!
He is a druggie and hangs with gun-totin' meth-heads!
On 4 April 2011, Childs' personal manager was arrested after police uncovered a chemical lab that was used to manufacture large quantities of prohibited drugs. Childs' shared the property with other housemates, including his manager. Childs had moved out of the property days before the raid took place. His manager was also charged over illegal weapons, which included rifles, pellet guns and a Taser. Childs however, was not charged.
In January 2012, Childs was found guilty in Taree Local Court of having methamphetamine and marijuana in his system after being pulled over while driving in November 2011. His driver's licence was suspended for six months and was fined $600. As a result of the incident, Rockdale City Council stripped Childs of the key to the city it had awarded him, prompting Childs to launch a tirade alleging corruption at the council. The incident also led to Childs falling out with his X Factor mentor Ronan Keating. On 24 January 2012, it was announced that Childs had parted ways with Sony Music Australia. A spokesperson for the record label told News Limited, "He wanted to move in another direction and the decision was mutual. We wish him all the best." During this time, Childs announced on his official Facebook page that he would be releasing a tell-all memoir titled Altiyan & Goliath, detailing the "deepest truths" about the rise and fall of his post X Factor career.
In late 2012, Childs signed with independent label Oxygen Music Group. His second album Born Before the Sun was expected to be released in 2013. The first single, "Headlines", was released in December 2012 and failed to reach the ARIA Top 100. In March 2013 Oxygen Music announced Childs was no longer their client. He was signed to Vibe Management and it was announced Childs would be going to the US to sign a recording deal, and doing a series of performances and interviews, including shows at The Viper Room in Los Angeles, the Hard Rock Hotel in San Diego and Tao Nightclub in Las Vegas. An article in the Daily Telegraph stated that these venues all denied Childs was performing at them. Childs returned to Australia in May 2013 and made a statement on Facebook saying the trip had not gone as planned because he had been let down by his American agent. He claimed he has now been offered a contract to release his album in the US and France. He also stated he was no longer with Vibe Management.
On 20 December 2013, Childs released "Dreams" as the first single from his second studio album Born Before the Sun. On 13 March 2014, Childs independently released the album's second single "Girl". The third single "Celebrity" was released on 4 July 2014. Born Before the Sun was released on 27 September 2015, through independent label 9LoveRecords.The album is a collection of material Childs had written over the past 15 years and comes almost five years after his self-titled debut album was released.Born Before the Sun was made available predominantly in digital format, with physical copies made available to buy from Childs' official website.
In 2016 Altiyan was cast in the title role for Gateway Theatre Production's Jesus Christ Superstar. The show was a success, selling out all six shows in Queensland. The show was held at The Events Centre in Caloundra. Reviews were positive.
On 15 April 2021, Altiyan released that five-hour youtube video on Freemasonry, and its secretly antagonistic relationship with Christianity. Altiyan claims to be a former member of the Masonic fraternity, breaking his Masonic oaths in order to produce his 5 hour presentation. The conclusion of the presentation is that international Freemasonry is in fact Organised Satanism in disguise.
Childs stated in his Freemasonry presentation that he has since retired from music and now dedicates his life to leading people to Jesus Christ. It is known that he lives on his own property in NSW with his wife Samantha.
Is this the kind of guy you wish to learn from?
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@mikemasci7512 Hi Mike.
It's important to realise that there is almost nothing in Freemasonry that MUST be kept confidential. Whether a Mason discusses all the other things in Masonry, is left up to him. So if your relatives didn't say much about their meetings, that's through choice, not by order of Freemasonry. In fact, sometimes, things do happen at a meeting where confidentiality is advised. Often, we get requests for charity. People who really are in need. If you were such a person, would YOU want everyone to know? Of course not. And yes, that's one of the things we do. We help people.
It is also true to say, that yes, it is forbidden to invite anyone to join...a man must come to us and this is so that he comes of his own free will and not coerced in any way.
Also true, is...no women. This is a traditional thing and is quite legal. A recent poll told us that even if they could be members, most women would not want to join anyway.
Secretive? Not at all. Other than those things I mentioned earlier, 99% of Freemasonry is perfectly open for discusion with non-members. Questions? Ask me anything you like.
Men often wear Masonic jewellery or polo shirts etc and other Masons, of course recognise this and will make themselves known. It's a very sociable organisation.
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The Rock SANIBEL, Fla. — Mayor Randy Henderson of nearby Fort Myers recently had to withdraw a proposal to rename a local bridge in honor of Henry Ford. In 1915, Ford built a winter residence next door to Thomas Edison’s house, and today the two homes are a popular tourist attraction.
But Alan Isaacs, the director of the local Jewish Federation, and others criticized the idea: “He (Ford) really has a very dark history as far as the Jewish community and Jews are concerned.”
Henderson said he didn’t know about Ford’s anti-Semitic history prior to the controversy, yet nonetheless “there’s a legitimate outcry against this and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to read Mr. Ford’s background.”
Ford’s “background” is indeed “dark.” Let me count the ways.
In 1919, Ford purchased The Dearborn Independent, then an obscure newspaper published in the Michigan city that was the headquarters of his automobile company. For the next eight years, the weekly publication reflected his bigoted views.
One of the paper’s chief targets was the so-called “International Jew,” a sinister figure cited as the root cause of World War I. In 1921, The Independent printed the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” even though the book had by then been exposed as a forgery created by the Russian czar’s secret police in 1905 to foment virulent anti-Semitism.
The fraudulent document described an alleged secret cabal of Jewish leaders who plotted to control the world. Nevertheless, the Independent published the discredited document, giving it both wide distribution and global credibility. Ford’s newspaper merged racism with anti-Semitism by calling Prohibition-era whiskey “n_-r gin” and labeling jazz “Yiddish moron music.”
Ford and his publication attracted attention throughout the world, including from Adolf Hitler. In fact, Ford is the only American mentioned by name in Hitler’s notorious “Mein Kampf,” published in 1925. Anti-Semitic Independent articles translated into German and other languages during the 1920s were used to “prove” Nazis were not alone in their pathological hatred of Jews and Judaism.
“You can tell Herr Ford that I am a great admirer of his,” Hitler said. “I shall do my best to put his theories into practice in Germany. ... I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration.” By 1925, The Independent had a weekly circulation of 900,000.
But two years later, a libel suit was brought against Ford and his paper and was sent to trial in Detroit. The auto magnate did not testify because he (ironically) suffered an auto accident, and Ford’s doctors felt he was not able to appear in court. The trial came undone when a reporter interviewed one of the jurors, and the judge declared a mistrial.
However, Ford issued a public apology, and in a full retreat, the famous automaker retracted his anti-Semitic views. In December 1927, he ended publication of The Dearborn Independent, claiming he never read the articles in his own newspaper and placed the blame for the anti-Semitic views on his underlings. His mea culpa confirmed the widespread perception of Ford as kind, gentle, and generous, enabling him to disavow his publication without taking responsibility for it.
Ford opposed America’s entry into World War II, blaming the conflict once more on “international bankers,” well-known code words for “Jews.” In 1938, the automaker received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle from Nazi Germany. The Nazi award incensed many Americans who had refused for years, even decades, to buy Ford products.
However, when Ford’s grandson, Henry Ford II, assumed control of the company in 1945, he began a lifelong campaign to support both the American Jewish community and the State of Israel — positive efforts that helped erase much of his grandfather’s negative impact. In addition, “Hank the Deuce,” as he was called, played a major role in the development of the philanthropic Ford Foundation.
In an ironic twist of history, earlier this year, Mark Fields, an American Jew, became the new president and CEO of the Ford Motor Company.
(Rabbi A. James Rudin, the American Jewish Committee’s senior interreligious adviser, is the author of “Cushing, Spellman, O’Connor: The Surprising Story of How Three American Cardinals Transformed Catholic-Jewish Relations.”)
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@David Lucey Hi David. Yes, all Masonic Lodges are entirely self-funded through membership fees. The fees vary from Lodge to Lodge, but as an example, my Lodge charges £200 per year. This is made up of fees to pay to the Grand Lodge, the Provincial Grand Lodge and there's an annual charitable donation as well as the fee paid to the hall where we meet. We will always have a collection at the meeting as well. Members are expected to donate what they can afford. For example, a man may be in an average paying job and doesn't have a huge amount of disposable income so he may just put a few pounds in. Another man may be in a high paying job, so he would be expected to donate more. It's each according to his means. At no time does any one Mason know what any other Mason has contributed. It is not important.
After the meeting, we usually sit down to a three-course dinner, often with wine or beer thrown in. This will cost approximately £25.
We raise millions for charitable purposes but we don't collect the cash from others.....all our charitable giving comes from us.
People think that Freemasonry is restricted to those with plenty of cash. Not the case at all. However, if a man on a lower income, who is struggling to make ends meet applies for membership, we would refuse him, because if he has to pay fees on top of his already strained family finances, it would almost certainly cause disharmony at home. We prize the family very highly and would rather see a home under less financial pressure than one more member on our books.
I hope I've answered your question. Please feel free to ask more.
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@evanssamuelbiju4315 I joined because I found that men I respect hugely, were members and my best friend was too. I thought that anything these men are involved with must be a good thing. I hope to improve every day and to learn lore about myself and I think I achieve that. I'm also hugely aware of the great divide in society... the "haves" and the "have nots". We work to try to make the lives of the "have nots", a little better. The men of whom I spoke, were (and are) pillars of the community, involved in charitable works, with long happy marriages and well adjusted kids. I hope I am regarded as such by those I respect.
Normally, the route in to Freemasonry is to approach someone you know is a Mason and ask them. You will never be invited... that's strictly forbidden. If that man thinks you qualify, he will propose you for membership.
If you do not know anyone in Freemasonry, you may look up the website of your local Grand Lodge and apply that way. it will take longer, as nobody will know you... and they will need to get to know you before they are willing to propose you.
Qualifications for membership are:-
1. Must have a belief in some sort of supreme being that created the universe.
2. Be male.
3. Have no criminal convictions.
4. Be able to afford the fees, without undue stress on the family budget.
5. Have the support of the family.
If you have all the above, you will be invited to an interview. If successful, after a time, when you have paid the joining fees and lodge dues, you will be Initiated and take your place in the Lodge.
It is worth stating that, if you do not take to it, you are free to leave at any time.
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@MyDenis0 We do not think aristocracy is anything special. In Freemasonry, all members are equal, regardless of their background, upbringing, politics, religion, status etc. What IS important, is a man's character and his integrity. Many men of the "aristocracy" are Masons...and are no better or worse thought of, than members who are not.
We also do not care what faith a man has (including Catholicism) as that is a matter for him and him alone. In my Lodge, I do not know what faith the majority of my Brethren are, because it is of no bearing in Freemasonry.
The heirarchy of the Roman Catholic Church think we have some sort of agenda against it. This is untrue and is based on the Pope many years ago, making assumptions about us, that were not true. We have absolutely NO problem with the RCC and there are indeed plenty of Catholics in Freemasonry.
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@ultradeni Hi niky. The United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) has a set of principles and tenets, ancient landmarks if you will. One of those is that to be a Freemason in a "Regular" Lodge (an official Lodge.. there are some UNofficial ones!) you must be male. It is thought that this came about, because of the supposed origins of our fraternity.. that of the stonemasons of the middle ages.. who were all male. Naturally, in those days, the heavy and arduous work of building cathedrals was a male only preserve. This has followed on in Freemasonry. Recently, with the law surrounding transgender people, things have "developed". Here is the quote from UGLE
https://www.ugle.org.uk/gender-reassignment-policy
I, personally wouldn't have a problem with ladies becoming Freemasons, but I am sure I am in the minority.
There are two organisations that I know of that are 99.99% the same as the male version of Freemasonry.. and both are female only.. that is the only difference.
1. The Honourable Fraternity of Ancient Freemasons.
https://hfaf.org
2. The Order of Women Freemasons.
https://www.owf.org.uk
There are similar organisations in the USA and other parts of the world.
I do remember a radio phone in show when the tone of the callers was "if we women anted to join Freemasonry, we join the ladies order.. not the mens"!
I hope that's answered your question. If you have other, then please just ask.
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@kingtim41 I can understand your hostility, based on some of the ridiculous loons that post here, but I would adopt a different posture. The introspective attitude adopted by some Masons, does create a false sense of suspicion. Rather than broadcasting what we do, I like to answer questions about what we are, what we do etc. Of course, I would never divulge the modes of recognition, but all else is open for discussion with all.
Of course, it is upo to you how much you tell people, but my advice is, answer all questions honestly and openly (aside from the modes of recognition of course) and start a dialogue. If people speak with you respectfully, you must answer respectfully. If people speak to you like a dick, respect their ignorance....once. After that, you should treat them as they trreat you.
Best of luck.
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@AdamtheFreemason But you'd still need to count how many balls are in the box, compared to how many Brethren of the Lodge are present. You'd need to know that someone has not put a ball in. That's seriously open to miscalculation, my Brother. As I said, if you have, say, 100 Brethren of the Lodge present, you;d need to count 100 balls... and if the Master makes a mistake... and thinks there's 100 balls in the accept section when there are actually 99... that means one Brother, who has rejected the Candidate will have his wishes ignored. If you use black and white, it would be very evident at a glance that someone had rejected him.
I completely respect the traditions of a Lodge and it's own way of doing things... I would never ever mention it at a meeting as a visitor. It would be completely inappropriate and downright rude to...but your way is very very flawed, in my humble opinion.
Might I suggest that you discuss this with your WM, DC and Sec. at your next Committee meeting and point out to them, the problem I have highlighted.
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@Serendipity Min Oh come on! Do you REALLY think we sacrifice babies? How ridiculous!
We are ordinary law-abiding men, trying to be better men and to improve the world around us, with high morality and charitable works.
In our free time we do exactly what non-Masons do, PLUS we have social events as fundraisers, barbecues, quiz nights, race nights, cultural tours, that sort of thing.
A few months back, me and some of my Brethren spent two weeks working on a children's playground that had been closed because it was in need of repair and was deemed to be potentially dangerous. The local council didn't have the money to fix it, so we did it. Our own time, our own cash. If the council had paid for it, it would have run in to tens of thousands. That's an example of what we do. We are community minded and philanthropic. Don't believe the conspiracy theorist rubbish that you see on these pages.
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@benn2946 Good afternoon, Benn. We DON'T regard "Lucifer" with any reverence in a Satanic sense. Pike was talking about "light"...which to a Mason, is knowledge of Freemasonry. "Lucifer" is a Latin word for the planet Venus and roughly translated, means "light bringer". It has absolutely NOTHING to do with Satan/the Devil. It is not a MASONIC term... just a term used by Pike at the time. He loved to use florid language..he WAS a lawyer after all! So "Lucifer" is never used in Freemasonry. LucIS is used, though. It is used in the phrase "Anno Lucis" meaning "in the year of light".
We don't routinely WEAR skulls and crossbones. The skull and crossbones symbol in Masonry is used in Freemasonry as a symbol for death (a feature of the Third, or "Master Masons" Degree) which is something that comes to us all...and this illustrates that we are all essentially equal as we all end up the same way.
There is no "secret message" held in our aprons. They elaborately decorated and do feature symbols... but then symbols are used in every day life. If you the figure of a man walking at a roadside... that's the symbol for a crosswalk, yes?
There is no demonic influence. Why WOULD there be? We're a fraterity, not a religion. Please tell me SPECIFICALLY where the demonic influence is.
If anyone is being fooled, my friend it is you..and the many people duped by the conspiracy theorists. Did you know that a sizeable proportion of conspiracy theorists that come out with nonsense about us, are actually men that have either applied to join us and have been rejected, or men who have been thrown out of Freemasonry...usually for acquiring a criminal record...so naturally,. they want to hit back. They know that we do not acknowledge such crap as a body. We ignore it... because we know reasonable and sensible people won't take any notice of it.
On a personal level though, I hate it. I hate that decent people are bering duped by these arseholes and I don't want them to get away with it.
More questions? Ask away.
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@flossycee1012 Good morning Flossy Cee. I'd just like to correct you on that, if I may. We are most definitely not a secret organisation. That's a misconception. The HQ of the United Grand Lodge of England is an enormous building in the centre of London. It has the name of our organisation all over it. We run free tours of the building for anyone, several times a day, most days of the year. We have guides to answer any questions anyone might have. Our Book of Constitutions (our rule book) is free for anyone to read interactively here.
https://www.ugle.org.uk/about-us/book-of-constitutions
...so we can hardly be called a "secret organisation".
And you talk about living together in peace? Freemasons regard each and every member as their equal. We don't care about the colour of a man's skin, his creed, his background, his cash...we simply don't care...those things are irrelevant.
I have visited Lodges all over the world and dined with people who, traditionally, would be at each others throats! I have dined with Sunni and Shia, Catholic and Protestant, Arab and Jew. We all sit together as equals, friends, Brothers. Our religion and politics is left at the door....now tell me ANYWHERE in the world where that happens aside from a Masonic Lodge? It simply doesn't. So Freemasonry PROMOTES living in peace. If the rest of the world followed our example.. it would be a much better place.
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@whatsupbato It is forbidden for any Mason to invite a man to join. Those that wish to be Freemasons need to approach us. It's actually in the ritual, that a man must "come of his own free will and accord".
You most certainly do NOT have to be rich or white! I have already stated that we do not care about a man's background, his colour or his creed. We are interested in the mans CHARACTER and INTEGRITY rather than anything else. However, you MUST be male.
The worlds premier Grand Lodge, is the United Grand Lodge of England. It has set a series of principles and tenets in order to achieve "Regularity". Any Grand Lodge wishing to achieve Regularity and to be recognised by the UGLE, MUST adhere to these principles and tenets. Consequently there are many Grand Lodges around the world. The USA has a Grand Lodge for every state. Every Grand Lodge is independent of every other one, but all work on the same principles.
It has to be said that there are other groups, notably on the continent of Europe, that STYLE themselves as "Freemasons" but do not adhere to the aforementioned principles and tenets and as such, are not recognised by the UGLE. They are often those responsible for the more risible actions which have taken place around the world, for which we REGULAR Masons are often blamed.
All Regular Masons around the world are regarded with the same respect and regard, regardless of what Grand Lodge they belong to and what rank they have attained.
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@kakashi99908 There is no official demarcation between the two, operative and speculative. It's just that operative stonemasonry consists ONLY of stonemasons....those who work stone. Freemasonry consists of men from all walks of life and that includes stonemasons. We have doctors, lawyers, firefighters, retail workers, sailors, soldiers and airmen, security guards, police officers, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers...and even stonemasons in Freemasonry.
So when a Freemason whose job is as a stonemason attends his lodge... he then becomes a speculative Mason.
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@Tsaki-Titan Good morning. Brother Rudyard Kipling (author of The Jungle Book and others) was an English Mason but spent a lot of time in India and Pakistan. Here he joined further Lodges and side Degrees. He wrote "The Man Who Would Be king" in which there are a plethora of Masonic references and tells the tale of Daniel Dravitt and Peachey Carnahan, two British soldiers who were Masons and their adventures in India. It was made in to a movie with Sean Connery and Michael Caine. Great story! But this is a poem about wrote illustrating the various races and religions you get in a Masonic Lodge.
The Mother-Lodge
There was Rundle, Station Master,
An' Beazeley of the Rail,
An' 'Ackman, Commissariat,
An' Donkin' o' the Jail;
An' Blake, Conductor-Sargent,
Our Master twice was 'e,
With 'im that kept the Europe-shop,
Old Framjee Eduljee.
Outside -- "Sergeant! Sir! Salute! Salaam!"
Inside -- "Brother", an' it doesn't do no 'arm.
We met upon the Level an' we parted on the Square,
An' I was Junior Deacon in my Mother-Lodge out there!
We'd Bola Nath, Accountant,
An' Saul the Aden Jew,
An' Din Mohammed, draughtsman
Of the Survey Office too;
There was Babu Chuckerbutty,
An' Amir Singh the Sikh,
An' Castro from the fittin'-sheds,
The Roman Catholick!
We 'adn't good regalia,
An' our Lodge was old an' bare,
But we knew the Ancient Landmarks,
An' we kep' 'em to a hair;
An' lookin' on it backwards
It often strikes me thus,
There ain't such things as infidels,
Excep', per'aps, it's us.
For monthly, after Labour,
We'd all sit down and smoke
(We dursn't give no banquits,
Lest a Brother's caste were broke),
An' man on man got talkin'
Religion an' the rest,
An' every man comparin'
Of the God 'e knew the best.
So man on man got talkin',
An' not a Brother stirred
Till mornin' waked the parrots
An' that dam' brain-fever-bird;
We'd say 'twas 'ighly curious,
An' we'd all ride 'ome to bed,
With Mo'ammed, God, an' Shiva
Changin' pickets in our 'ead.
Full oft on Guv'ment service
This rovin' foot 'ath pressed,
An' bore fraternal greetin's
To the Lodges east an' west,
Accordin' as commanded
From Kohat to Singapore,
But I wish that I might see them
In my Mother-Lodge once more!
I wish that I might see them,
My Brethren black an' brown,
With the trichies smellin' pleasant
An' the hog-darn passin' down; [Cigar-lighter.]
An' the old khansamah snorin' [Butler.]
On the bottle-khana floor, [Pantry.]
Like a Master in good standing
With my Mother-Lodge once more!
Outside -- "Sergeant! Sir! Salute! Salaam!"
Inside -- "Brother", an' it doesn't do no 'arm.
We met upon the Level an' we parted on the Square,
An' I was Junior Deacon in my Mother-Lodge out there!
Questions? Please feel free to ask.
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@Hyron Corros You will see from a post above, that the "Illuminati" on here promise all and take your money... then.. pooof... gone! Unless of course, they can sucker you in for more and more cash... but after being stung for hundreds of dollars initially, most realise it's a scam.
The REAL Illuminati was a philosophical society that met in secret in Bavaria, around the back end of the 18th century. They met in secret because the government of the day and the even more powerful church, would not like anyone who could think for themselves, rather than slavishly follow what they were told.. The Church and the Government do not, and never have liked anything that challenges their ability to control people. So if men were able to meet to question that control, they would have been seen as a threat and very possibly jailed or even killed.
They were a philosophical group and discussed all manner of philosophical subjects, not just religion and politics! Alchemy, mathematical theory, all kinds of stuff. But BECAUSE word got out that these men were meeting, the Church put it out they were Satanic. They appealed to the superstition of the crowd.. saying that to join this would cast you in to eternal damnation!...........well it seems to have worked. Ignorant people to this day still think that because Freemasons used to meet in secret (we don't any more) we are the same. We are not. Illuminati died out in less than ten years.
Why did Freemasons meet in secret? Hitler didn't like us.. he murdered tens of thousands of us.. just like he did with the Jews. As a result, we met in secret. The problem was that it became "the norm" to meet in private... and we never really re-emerged until say the 1980's.
So to clarify, Freemasons exist and have done since the 11th century. The Illuminati lasted ten years and are now defunct. We never ever were linked.
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@LionHeart1777 I'm going to answer all 10 points on this website.
1. We have NO trappings of a religion. WE do not promise salvation. We do not require a belief in a SPECIFIC god, the Mason chooses whatever god he wishes...we do have a Chaplain and it is his responsibility to read a prayer at the start and end of an evening... council meetings also do that.. are THEY a religion? Initiation is not part of any religion I know of. There are certain arrangements during a funeral that Masons may do, but that tends to be only american Freemasonry.. it is done almost nowhere else on the planet...Schools have philosophical and ethical teachings.. does that make them religious?
2. Already answered that one by my response to the first question. It is NOT a religion.
3. Does not apply.. as I said.. it is NOT a religion.
4. Where is 4? They haven't even put a "4" in the list...so that gives you an indication of the accuracy of these clowns.
5. Do not be yoked with unbelievers? So where did Jesus Christ spend most of his time? WITH UNBELIEVERS! What would be the point of him spending most of his time with those who already believe? Alternatively, when you spend time on the golf course :(or similar) do you check out all the other golfers religious beliefs? You know what? ALL talk of religion in Lodges is forbidden and I genuinely do not know the religion of most of the Brethren in my Lodge. I know the religion of some, because I have been to their places of worship for funerals marriages, baptisms etc etc. MORE inaccuracy (or as I would call it LIES) when they said for example, Aleister Crowley was a Freemason. He was never ever a Freemason. He was a member of another order quite different to Freemasonry and true to the accuracy of you lot, you club all organisations together. What an huge amount of arrogance and lunacy you display. It beggars belief, the amount of stupidity you people can show. It's a wonder you manage to dress yourselves in the morning.
6. Jesus is not denied in the First Degree. Jesus is not even mentioned in the First Degree or any Degree after that. Accurate as ever huh?
7. I'm sure you are part of organisations that do not mention god or Jesus. Does that make the organsation Satanic or anti-Christian? Of course it doesn't! Blasphemous parodies of the Lord's table? Huh???? Not a clue what you mean about that one.
8. Same as above.
9. Just plain lunacy and again.. WRONG!
10. Full of people who are either misquoted (because most people are too bone idle to check these things for themselves) or are, like Schnoebelen just out to make a fast buck.
There.. every single point put to bed as the heap of cow manure it really is.
What's scary, is not that this sort of crap is peddled... it's the amount of people who actually swallow it all.. you included.
I've wasted enough time on you and your crackpot ideas. I won't be responding to any further posts unless there is something I particularly want to address. Please don't send anything else to me.
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@hugh stephenson IF you are telling the truth, then those Masons have been breaking the rules. NOBODY should ever be invited to join us, as the man has to "come of his own free will and accord". In other words, if a man wishes to join, he should not bother waiting to be invited, he should approach us.
Yes, we look after each other, but then that is what brothers do. However, it is forbidden to benefit by virtue of membership of the Craft. For example, I once saw a new Mason attempting to hand out business cards to the brethren of his new Lodge, when I was the Master. I got my Director of Ceremonies to tell him to stop... which he did. The next meeting it was the same.. this time I told him myself he cannot promote his business at meetings. We never saw him after that.
Another example, if there are two bricklayers you have asked to quote for a job and one is a Mason that you know and the other is not. And the one who is not (who you know to be a good workman) gives you a cheaper quote for the job, you are not expected to give the Mason the job over the non-Mason. The Mason would not expect you to either.
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@00st307-m That's a very good question and illustrates that you have thought about it and presented it well. It's refreshing to have an intelligent question, rather than have some jerk calling us devil worshippers or criminals.
The answer is....I don't know. These things were formulated well before I became a Mason.
I DO remember the first time I became the Master of my Lodge. I had the Holy Bible opened before me with the square and compasses resting on it. And then I rested a piece of A4 paper on it, with some notes to aid me for the rest of the evening. Straight away, an older and wiser Mason pointed out (discretely) that I should remove that paper. Probably, for the reasons you stated.
Jesus never told us about the square and compasses, because they hadn't been invented in his day! The S&C are allegorical...but don't forget, many of the teachings of Jesus were too! And in any case, it scarcely matters what Jesus said or did....we are a non-religious group..and have men from all the worlds faiths.
I give you my word, though, that placing the square and compasses on the open book, is not meant disrespectfully at all. Quite the reverse, in fact. But as to why we do it?...not a clue.
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@John Obeid You mean this secret oath?
"Worshipful Master to Candidate - Repeat your name at length and say after me:- I,.............................. (Candidate gives name in full) - in the presence of the Great Architect of the Universe, and of this worthy, worshipful, and warranted Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons, regularly assembled and properly dedicated, of my own free will and accord, do hereby - (with left hand touches Candidate's right hand) - and hereon - (with left hand touches Volume of the Sacred Law) - sincerely and solemnly promise and swear, that I will always heal,* (pronounced hail) conceal, and never reveal any part or parts, point or points of the secrets or mysteries of or belonging to Free and Accepted Masons in Masonry, which may heretofore have been known by me, or shall now or at any future period be communicated to me, unless it be to a true and lawful Brother or Brothers, and not even to him or them, until after due trial, strict examination, or sure information from a well-known Brother that he or they are worthy of that confidence; or in the body of a just, perfect, and regular Lodge of Ancient Freemasons. I further solemnly promise that I will not write those secrets, indite, carve, mark, engrave, or otherwise them delineate, or cause or suffer it to be so done by others, if in my power to prevent it, on anything, movable or immovable, under the canopy of Heaven, whereby or whereon any letter, character, or figure, or the least trace of a letter, character, or figure, may become legible, or intelligible to myself or anyone in the world, so that our secret arts and hidden mysteries may improperly become known through my unworthiness. These several points I solemnly swear to observe, without evasion, equivocation, or mental reservation of any kind, under no less a penalty, on the violation of any of them than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the root (singular) and buried in the sand (singular) of the sea at low water mark, or a cable's length from the shore, where the tide regularly ebbs and flow twice in 24 hours or the more effective punishment of being branded as a wilfully perjured individual, void of all moral worth, and totally unfit to be received into this worshipful Lodge, or any other warranted Lodge, or society of men who prize honour and virtue above the external advantages of rank and fortune. So help me God, and keep me steadfast in this my Great and Solemn Obligation of an Entered Apprentice Freemason".
Not very secret, is it?
You're right though, you can do all those things alone. Freemasonry isn't for everyone, we get that. However, many men are ex-armed forces or emergency services and miss the cameraderie.. they get that back as a member of Freemasonry. Yes, you can give to charity and even help in some charitable venture, but so much more can be achieved as a group. Have you never heard the phrase that something is "more than the sum of its parts"?
We carry out a range of ceremonies intended to help a man think...about very important subjects. That can't be done alone. So many men have become great men, simply by rubbing shoulders with like-minded individuals. An employee of mine is a Mason (in a different Lodge to mine) and he is an engineer. He is in overalls all day, big clunky boots, unshaven, dirty hands, oil smears everywhere. He enjoys having something to dress up for! When he attends a meeting, he is in his three-piece suit, tie, very shiny shoes etc, he looks as smart as any CEO of a multinational.
So, fine, don't join. We'll survive without you.
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@johnobeid67 Hello John, thanks for the response. Thanks also for the kind words.
All of the obligations ( not oaths... obligations!) are available online but they are, broadly speaking much the same. This was the first one taken when a man joins.
As you will see, the main gist of the obligation, is not to reveal the "secrets" which are the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked. And yes, there are blood-curdling penalties to be paid if you break it. Or... at least there USED to be. It is explained shortly after taking it, that these physical penalties are no longer necessary. The penalty for breaking the obligation is expulsion from Freemasonry. Nothing more. Freemasons MUST obey the law.. and last time I looked, that sort of ritual mutilation was illegal! In the obligation, we are actually talking about the penalties that would be expected during King Solomon's time.
Freemasonry is not a religion. If it were, I would never have joined. It has no god, no sacraments, no doctrine, no promise of salvation, no clergy. There is no worship of any kind. In fact ALL discussion of religion and politics is forbidden at our meetings. Why? Think about it. Religion and politics is what causes all the worlds problems... they cause division and discord. Freemasonry is all about unity and harmony. So during the time we meet, we ask that these subjects are not discussed.
Can you tell me why you think Freemasonry tries to destroy the "truth"? In Freemasonry, each Mason is encouraged to follow his own religion....what HE believes to be his own truth. And did you know that the Holy Bible MUST be open at a Masonic meeting? If, for some reason, the Bible cant be found.. the meeting must be abandoned. I almost had to do that once, when our locker key was mislaid at our Masonic Hall! It's the book that our morals were originally thought to be taken from and Freemasonry is all about moral self-improvement. Each Mason may have his own particular holy book present at the meeting and he MUST take HIS obligation in HIS holy book.
You said " There is only one God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and to The one God is due all worship, honour and praise." ALL Freemasons agree there is only ONE god. In fact, it is a REQUIREMENT that a Mason believes in only one god. All Christian Freemasons agree with you completely. They respect the beliefs of those professing other religions, but believe they are wrong.
LOL! I absolutely assure you, that Freemason hates NOBODY and NOTHING. We are most certainly not anti-Catholic! Rather the other way around.. many Catholics hate us! And why? Just because some guy says so. They do not have the first clue about why Catholic heirarchy is ant-Masonic. I was RAISED as a Catholic... my three brothers, sister and Mother.. all Catholic. Are yo saying I hate my own family? I absolutely assure you that is not the case. Did you know there are many Catholics in Freemasonry? They are perfectly happy that their membership of Freemasonry is, in no way, incompatible with their faith. Catholic heirarchy is a little like you.. assuming we are a religion.. and also that it hates the fact that we refuse to condemn all other faiths. The catholic Church has always been about numbers... and the fact we don't decry other faiths really hacks it off!
You are not a Freemason and I am. I've been a Mason for a long time! Please explain to me, how it is that you think you know more about Freemasonry than me? As I said, I was raised Catholic from my birth nearly 57 years ago and have been a Freemason for 23 years. I have seen this argument from both sides and can absolutely assure you that Freemasonry is NOT how you see it. PLEASE do not accept blindly, the words of a man who is, in all sense, anti-Masonic. Think for yourself. Ask me as many questions as you like, without pointing the finger. And when I answer, take those answers, apply logic, reason and the balance of probability and THEN make your mind up.
BTW, where in the world are you?
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@nowankersallowed2115 I do know that some Lodges (mainly american ones) do keep more in-depth family records, again to contact those men and women far and wide from American families so that they may seek assistance from/offer assistance to those members. I don't know where you live, but if you live in the USA, you may have some luck.
What was the name of the book? Very very few books are "official" Masonic ones. The fact you felt sick and started to have dreams says more about you than it does about the book!
If he was an Atheist, he was NOT a Freemason. He may have joined, gone to the meetings etc etc. but the obligation a man takes is taken before his God... if he doesn't have a God, he has lied during that Obligation and so it is void and so is his membership.
You don;t have to be "good at" Christianity. Freemasonry is not a religious society. In fact, all discussion of religion (and politics) is forbidden. We have members of every major religion on Earth and quite a few of the minor ones too. you don;t even have to have a religion....I do not......just a belief in a Supreme Being that created the universe.
In Freemasonry, you do certainly have the freedom to chat and float about. nobody cares what your beliefs are... in Freemasonry, aside from supplying the relevant holy book for you to lay your hand on when taking your obligation, we don't even wish to know your beliefs. As I said.. for religious matters, a man should go to his place of worship..for Masonic matters.. he should go to his Lodge!If you were interested in joining, unless you know someone in Freemasonry, you should Google your local Grand Lodge and click the relevant button to join. They will take you through the process and if it works out, then great.. you're a Mason.. if not, at least you've tried.
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@adnaanu It's NOTHING like school! Whoever said that, clearly has no idea what happens in a Lodge. Nobody is required to do anything that they do not want to. School is compulsory.... Freemasonry is voluntary... men join because they wish to and their entry in to it, is considered by men who know them. If they think the Candidate would enjoy it, then they recommend him and he is interviewed by a Committee. If, after the interview they both still wish to go ahead, then they the man is Initiated. Yes, there is learning to do, but only if the man wishes it... it;s not compulsory. But it's interesting stuff and the man is usually predisposed to enjoy it.
Men don't leave of their own volition often, and if they do, it's usually because they have relocated for work, or become old and inform and can't make the meetings.... so no.. it's NOTHING like school.
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@jet4906 The Northern jurisdiction was not established until 1801, the Southern, 1813, by which time Brother Washington had been called to higher service. Whatever Washington Joined, it was not the Scottish Rite as we understand it today. At the time, there were all sorts of side orders that never saw the light of day after a few years. Details of his Masonic activities are sparse, but it is generally held that he took his Freemasonry very seriously. But...there is no real evidence to state that he laid the foundation stone of the Capitol Building as a Masonic ceremony either. It is just a fanciful notion, which, if true, would be very nice. Yes there are paintings of the event...but sadly, no photographs!
The Scottish Rite is only so called because it was practised by Scotsmen that had fled to France. It's not actually FROM Scotland.
Are you a 33rd Degree Mason?
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@GEMSOULANNA2BXACT Hello and thanks for your question.
Taking the word "sectarinism" first, I have to say, that in it's purest form, my answer is no. As far as I am aware, this word can be defined as the act of becoming part of a sect or group and as a consequence, exhibiting hostility or bigotry to those not within that group. In it's loosest form, those wishing to belong to teams, groups, cultures, then yes.
It is easy to condemn people by using emotive language such as the word "sectarianism", which conspiracy theorists cling to in order to further their goal... the same goal... bigotry and hostility.
Some men join Freemasonry for just such a feeling though.. a feeling of belonging.. being part of a team. As a result, many Freemasons are ex-armed forces... ex-Police etc. They thrive as part of a team and relish the feeling of "family" or "brotherhood".
And some of these are also members of other "groups". For example, I am ex- Royal Navy. I served for over 23 years and found that I worked best and felt more comfortable with my shipmates around. I am a member of a cycling team and a fell running club. Fell running is like cross country-running.. but over rough terrain. I enjoy being in these clubs.
The last part of your post says "....that every member must uphold". The thing about Freemasonry is that although it doesn't try to tell you what to think, it does provide food for thought. Freemasons exhibit tolerance of the beliefs of others, inside and outside of Freemasonry. it is one of principles of our Craft. We don't really care what anyone believes, it would be impertinent of us to behave like that. As long as someone is not hurting anyone or behaving illegally, we don;t mind what anyone believes or does..that's their business.
I hope I have answered your question. If not, please come back to me.
Next! :)
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@GEMSOULANNA2BXACT Hello again!
I am sorry, but I'm not sure I fully understand your question.. but what I THINK you're asking is "Are there Freemasons who are also Stonemasons? And, is it purely a traditional family thing or not?
There are two types of Mason. You have Freemasons...whose name is usually shortened to "Masons" and you have Stonemasons, again, who's name is usually shortened to Mason!.. confusing, isn't it?
To differentiate, one whose work is in carving stone on building sites is called an OPERATIVE Mason. Those men who are FREEMASONS.....gentlemen Masons, if you will, are called SPECULATIVE Masons.
There are several people who are operative AND speculative Masons. By day, they work on buildings and work the stone and then of an evening, once a month or so, they meet others in their Lodges as Freemasons.
There are lots of examples of men who join Freemasonry as a family tradition. It is not at all unusual for Fathers to welcome their Sons in to the Lodge (where, oddly enough, Father and Son become Brothers!) but in my Mother Lodge, the Lodge where I was Initiated, a son Initiated his Father! But the vast majority of Masons that I know are the only ones in their immediate family who are members of the Craft.
It is widely thought, that to join Freemasonry, you have to be invited. The opposite is true. YOU have to ask to join. I have heard so many times, that sons have been waiting to be invited to join... while their fathers have been waiting for their sons to ask them. Only when someone asks to be a Mason can they be admitted because then they can be said to be applying "of their own free will and accord". That phrase is part of the ritual.
Again, I hope I have answered your question....as I understood it.
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GEMSOULANNA2BXACTWell that's a huge question. The problem is, that "offence" is subjective. What offends me, might not offend you. I'm offended by boy bands for God's sake!....but anyway....
The first thing I thought of, when trying to figure out an answer to your question, was the act of verbal betrayal. A member telling non- Masons, the secrets of our Craft; those signs, grips and words that we use in our ceremonies. But then I thought....as these things are really insignificant... and are only ever used in the ceremonies.... and if anyone found them out the consequences to the world etc would be zero....I thought there must be worse things a Mason could say or do.
So without going in to specifics....nobody can ever foretell what anyone is going to say...what offends Masons most, would be whatever offends non-Masons most. We are charged to obey the moral law and the legislative law and a departure from that would have a profound effect.
Parts of our ceremonies go like this... word for word. "you are to be a good man and true and to obey the moral law"...."you are to pay due obedience to the Civil Magistrate"...then there's this, from the "Charge to the Initiate" when a man is going through his First Degree.
"As a citizen of the world, I am to enjoin you to be exemplary in the discharge of your civil duties, by never proposing or at all countenancing any act that may have a tendency to subvert the peace and good order of society, by paying due obedience to the laws of any State which may for a time become the place of your residence or afford you its protection, and above all, by never losing sight of the allegiance due to the Sovereign of your native land, ever remembering that nature has implanted in your breast a sacred and indissoluble attachment towards that country whence you derived your birth and infant nurture".
This last bit states that you must obey the laws and traditions of any land in which you live, but always remember that you are also loyal to the land of your birth. My own personal take on this is, that if you are living in a certain country and that country goes "bad"... then you should leave and come home!
Further, that if you know of a Mason who has committed a crime, your loyalty to him is now zero as he has broken one of the requirements for membership... freedom from criminal convictions. The Mason should encourage his ex-Brother to "'fess up".... making sure that he knows that if HE doesn't give himself up and confesses, then YOU will turn him in. Adhering to the law, both moral and legislative transcends brotherly support and love.
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@fables4564 It is merely tradition. It is thought that Freemasonry emerged from the stonemasons of the middle ages, who admitted "gentlemen" to their guilds for whatever reason...it is lost in the mists of time. At the time, men ruled the roost and as such, women were confined to the home, to sit there and klook pretty... not to have any authority or say in any proceedings.
When James Anderson wrote our constitutions, published 300 years ago in 1723, one of the old charges dictated that one of the conditions of membership had to be male only.
Today, there are certain women only organisations that CALL themselves Freemasons. they wear very similar regalia, carry out vitually the same rituals and have, broadly the same aims and principles. They are not officially recognised as Freemasons by Regular Freemasonry, but that said, we do have a very good relati09nship with the ladies and from time to time, they even use our facilities at Great Queen St. in London England.
I hope that helps.
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@Daniela Marquez Well you have it wrong m'dear. MANY secrets? Hardly ANYTHING in Freemasonry is secret. You've been paying far too much attention to the conspiracy theorists. Why do we make a pledge to keep the secrets? First, let me tell you what the secrets are. They are the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked. But these aren't really secret. They can be found easily on the internet and in libraries, it's just that we have said you won't get them from us. But why? Well its really not to protect that information...because it's pretty unimportant and insignificant. It's just as a symbol of our integrity as men.. men who keep their word.
The origin of this is thought to be from the ancient stonemasons who built the magnificent cathedrals of the middle ages. In those days, there were no paper qualifications, so when a man reached a certain level of expertise, he was shown, in private, a sign, a grip and a word relevant to his skill level. Then, if the Mason wanted to travel to another site where he was not known, he could prove his worth to the Master of the site and be paid the correct rate. It was done in secret to prevent less qualified men getting the sign grip and word and them travelling to another site and be paid a higher rate of pay than they were entitled to. That's it. Nothing sinister... OR creepy...just historical.
If you have any more questions, please come back to me here or you can email me if you prefer. therealist1964@yahoo.com
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@Muggelspalte So you think what he says in that film is real? It's not.
You'll notice he starts off the film by saying that just making the film has put his family and his life in danger. You'll also notice that in the 3 or 4 years since it was made... not a hair on anyone's head has been touched! The first lie, debunked.
Everything in the film is untrue, most of it, laughably so.
The film is over 5 hours long. Know why? That's a sales technique. Sales, is all about convincing people of something... that's exactly what he's doing...selling you an idea This is why the likes of Alex Jones, David Icke and Bill Schnoebelen do the same thing...they pound your head with tripe for a loooooong time. 5 hours is nothing, really.
So you believe this guy who has never been a Mason? Never likely to have even set foot in a Lodge room? His many criminal convictions for drug abuse and possession, automatically bar him from membership of Freemasonry, but naturally, never having BEEN a mason, he did not know that.
He has been dropped by everyone he has ever worked with. Why? His lack of professionalism, tantrums, unreliability, criminal convictions...and you want to take this guys word for what he says?
Fine. But you're being duped.
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@TheHSoko Thank you for the response and the kind words. However, I have to take issue with your comment that we are a secret society. Nothing could be further from the truth. Yes, the popular myth is that we are secret, but the REALITY is that we are incredibly open. We have website, posting our meeting times, date and locations, not to mention our list of officers and photographs showing various members. We have open days. The United Grand Lodge of England, the worlds premier Grand Lodge has it's HQ in London.. it is a HUGE building with our name and logo all over the place. We run free tours of the place for anyone, several times a day, most days of the year. the building and rooms inside are for hire by almost anyone. Does this seem like a secret society to you?
Please feel free to ask anything you like. The ONLY things I cannot divulge, are the traditional modes of recognition.. a tiny, tiny part of Freemasonry. But they are easily accessible on the internet and in libraries. We don't care if you know them or not.. they are unimportant... but because we have promised not to... as a test of our integrity... we will not.
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@margieprovencio9145 Margie, the reason I never ever put my name or Lodge down here is because I have received death threats from crazy pricks who can't separate fantasy from reality. I can handle myself perfectly well. I am a Royal Navy veteran and have seen conflict up close, but I fear for my family. It only takes one crazy prick to watch me leaving my masonic hall and to follow me home and then my family is in danger. That can't happen. Sorry if that's a problem for you.
If I "attack" anyone it's in defence of what they have said about something I value quite highly. Freemasonry.
You yourself, just did that. you said that because I never put my real name down, I am possessed by a demon. How ridiculous!!! You claim my mind is "programmed". The reverse is true. Freemasonry encourages free thinking and personal opinion. It uses symbols rather than printed instructions, so that the individual Mason can interpret things for himself.
I'm a 33rd Degree Freemason, a Grand Officer of the United Grand Lodge of England. I'm a Past master of TWO Lodges and have been a Mason for over 20 years. Yes I know the secrets (which are simply the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked...nothing more, but you obviously think there is more to it) and I say again, you accuse us of being in league with demons and that we worship a god called Lucifer. Madam, you are 100% incorrect in your assumption. And you have also fell in to the trap of believing that "Lucifer" is some sort of diabolical figure. That's wrong too. It's of no consequence to us that you are incorrect because we have nothing to do with "Lucifer" either.
I assure you of my best intentions at all times.
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@Minute Man The "Supreme Being" of which you speak is whatever god that the individual Mason wishes to believe in. For some, it is God. for others, Yahweh. For others, Allah etc etc. It is the same supreme being that they believed in BEFORE they became Freemasons and no further religious beliefs are required at any time during a Masons membership. We do NOT have our own god.
This is also the reason why we give it a generic name. for example, when we mention the Great Architect of the Universe, a Christian regards that as God or Jesus Christ. A Muslim would think of Allah etc etc. We do not bar anyone on their religious beliefs short of a belief in something as a single, Supreme Being.
Consequently, many many Freemasons believe as you do.. the only difference between you and them is that they allow others to believe as they wish without sharing that same belief...and that they still call others, friends and brothers.. whereas you think that everyone should think like you. That sort of attitude is what causes wars, famine, death hardship etc etc.
There were undoubtedly some Masons responsible for the creation of your country, but only a handful were signatories of the dec. of ind. Almost no politicians for centuries have been Freemasons. Only 14 Presidents have been Freemasons, Washington being the first and Ford the last. I understand that Lincoln was to become a Freemason, but on his nomination for the Presidency, he withdrew his application as he would not be able to devote the time to it and saw that it would have been a disservice to his Proposer and seconder.
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@krglfromworld That's the thing. MOST people have perceptions about Freemasonry which are simply untrue.
Yes, you HAVE to ask to be a Mason..... you will never be invited...no matter what sort of bloke you are, but it is in the ceremony.. a man has to "come of his own free will and accord". But we don;t just take anyone. There are requirements for membership. In any Lodge under the auspices of the United Grand Lodge of England and any regular Grand Lodge, primarily, you have to have to have a belief in some sort of benevolent "Supreme Being"... doesn't matter which one. We do not bar anyone based on their religion.. we don't even ask what a religion a man follows, if any. You have to be a certain age, which varies from constitution to constitution. You have to be free from criminal convictions. You have to have the support of your family. If your partner is against your membership, we'd rather you did not join. The last thing we want is to cause trouble at home. And lastly, you have to be able to afford it. There are certain fees which gave to be paid and part of these fees are maintained annually, but you do not have to be rich at all. My Lodge fees are less than £200 per year.
VERY little in Freemasonry is secret. And even those things that are are quite insignificant and are inly used within the Lodge meetings.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.
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@Logan Show boy have you got it wrong. Firstly, yes of course there were Masons involved in the revolutionary war, they were NOT behind it. There were Masons in every major conflict ever... for example, world war 2. Does that mean the Freemasons were behind world war 2?
Secondly, Yes we are a private society, but hardly a secret one! If we were a secret society... you wouldn't know we exist, would you? Freemasons Hall in London is open to the public, with free tours for anyone, several times a day, most days of the year... hardly a secret! Our Book of Constitutions is available for anyone to study online. We have a quarterly magazine, called Freemasonry Today that anyone can read.
Thirdly, we are a secular society... not a religious one. The requirement for a belief in a Supreme Being is only so that you have an ultimate authority to make an obligation before..... NOT because any religious activity takes place. Whatever being that is, is up to the individual Mason and is NOT interpreted for you. In fact all discussion of religion and politics is forbidden in Freemasonry.
I hope I have answered your post adequately.
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@1:16 Sleepy Joe, says that political violence like this is unheard of. Looks like he's forgotten about Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, JFK, not to mention, Theodore Roosevelt, FDR, Reagan RFK, Jackson, Taft, Hoover, Trueman etc etc.
Silly old bugger.
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@Stephanie Denny Good morning Stephanie. The answer to that question is in the video!
But to put some meat on the bones, as it were. Freemasonry is worldwide and it is the worlds oldest fraternity. Nobody knows for sure how old it is, but the best guess so far is that we emerged around the 11th Century in Scotland. It's aim, generally speaking, is to take good men and make them better by encouraging them to take a long hard look at themselves and to build themselves in to the best version of themselves they can be in terms of morality, integrity, citizenship. We value integrity, kindness, and selflessness very highly.
The by-product of this desire for greater integrity and moral uprightness is charity. Freemasons give millions and millions of their own cash to charities. They also donate millions of man hours of their own time in community projects, all to try to make the world a slightly better place.
In order to apply to be a Freemason, a man has to satisfy the following.
1. Be male. no ladies in "Regular" Freemasonry, although there are organisations of "Lady Masons"...doing almost the same as us....dressing the same... care for others, charity etc.. but we do not officially recognise them. We are completely friendly and cordial... but we can't join their Lodges and they can't join ours.
2. Have a belief in some sort of Supreme Being that created the universe. We do not care what you call this being... you don't even have to follow a specific religion.. just have that belief that one entity created the universe.
3. Be free from criminal convictions. If a Man comes to us and he has been in prison.. he will not be admitted. If a Mason, no matter how distinguished, or how long he's been a Mason, is convicted of a crime, he is immediately expelled.
4. Be able to afford the fees. It's not expensive to be a Freemason, but if a man is struggling to make ends meet at home financially, the extra financial pressure of paying fees would almost certainly cause undue pressure at home and we don't want that.
5. Have the support of the family. Again, we value the family unit very highly. If a man is regularly going to his Lodge, once a week or maybe even more, and his wife thinks that would be too much time away from the family.. we don't want him to join.
It is not a religion, nor a substitute for one. Each man must believe in what HE regards to be the Supreme Being. He is not required to take on any further beliefs at any time. We have no Masonic god, there are no sacraments, no promise of eternal life. ALL discussion of religion (and politics!) is forbidden at Masonic meetings as those are the two subjects that cause discord and division. We are about harmony and unity.
If a Mason were to pass away and the family have not been adequately provided for, Freemasonry will very discretely look after the widow and the family. Children's school fees are taken care of and the welfare of the widow is also taken care of. We have the "Broken column" brooch worn by the widow of a Mason. If a Mason sees a lady wearing this, he will make himself known to her and let her know if any assistance is required, she may call on him.
I hope I have, to some degree, answered your question. I created this account for this very purpose....to let people know what we are about and also to debunk the crazy conspiracy theories out there.
Many people think that everything in Freemasonry is secret. however, that is completely untrue. Almost everything in Freemasonry can be discussed openly with non-Masons.
Please come back to me if you wish to know more. I'd be happy to answer any more questions you may have.
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@FruitschannelMagnumIlirikum People forget that M&D is merely a series of 32 lectures on the Scottish Rite which, in turn, is merely an offshoot of mainstream Freemasonry and is pikes own interpretation of it. It is not a "manual of Freemasonry" and any member is free to take on board what Pike says, or completely disregard it....Freemasonry is open to interpretation by all members.
Personally, I do not believe that ANYONE has the first clue about what god is, wants, likes, dislikes etc. regardless of what they say. So if you ask me if the one true god is the sun god....it may be for all I know... or it may not be. I don't know.
M&D was written in very archaic language, even for the time. Some of the words and phrases do not mean what they do in modern parlance. You need to read it in the context it was written. Todays readers really have no idea what on Earth this man was talking about.
My advice is that if you really want to know what Freemasonry is about, read books by Dr. Robert Lomas. Very interesting theories. Pikes "baby" was the Scottish Rite, only really practised in America and as I said, a mere offshoot (an appendant Degree) of mainstream Masonry, practiced by only about 400,000....out of 6 MILLION Masons worldwide.
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@Carrina Murphy I'll answer your two posts with my one.
"Secret Society"? Hardly. That phrase is used by conspiracy theorists, nut jobs and religious zealots and, I believe, only because it rolls off the tongue quite easily.
Almost nothing can be regarded as "secret" in Freemasonry. It is a popular misconception that it cannot be discussed and that members cannot reveal their membership. I am happy to discuss any aspect of Freemasonry that you care to. Also, that which we regard as secret, isn't really secret. The "secrets" are freely available on the internet and in libraries. It's just that we have sworn you wont get them from us, just as a sign of our integrity.
I believe we SHOULD admit ladies if they wish. However, I also believe that almost no ladies would want to. There exists, ladies Freemasonry, which is run along the same lines as male Freemasonry and just as noble, honourable and morally upright.
I hope I've answered your post and perhaps given you some food for thought.
If you have any more questions, please ask me and I'll be happy to tell you.
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@Ramiro C So many rituals? Pure ancient Freemasonry consists of only three Degrees plus the Royal Arch. Why do we do them? They are allegorical lessons on morality and are designed to help us to improve as men. In the Scottish Rite there are 29 other Degrees and these may easily be achieved very quickly. At each ceremony, several Degrees are conferred at a time. In theory, a man may take his First Degree and be a 32nd...in less than a year. This is also true of the York Rite which has only ten Degrees.
Why can't we talk about it? Er.. WE CAN! It's only the conspiracy theorists that tell you otherwise and people take what they say as true... it really isn't. The ONLY things in Freemasonry we cannot divulge, are the sign, grip and word of the Degrees. Everything else is completely open for discussion. And even the "secrets" I just described, are plastered all over the net. We don't CARE if you know, but we keep our word not to divulge them as a symbol of our integrity.
Why so much symbolism? It is thought we emerged from the stonemasons guilds of the middle ages. At that time the vast vast majority of men, including these craftsmen, were illiterate. Their trade was taught to them, by including symbols in their training as stonemasons on the site. We use symbols to get across lessons of morality. For example, the most famous Masonic symbol is the square and compasses. A stonemason would use the compasses for scribing a perfect circle. We use them to remind us to limit our passions, prejudices and excesses in life.
I proudly wear a couple of rings with Masonic images on them. Why? Well why does anyone wear anything with images of things that they are proud of? Why do guys wear football shirts and baseball caps with their teams logo? Why do some cars have vanity plates? Why do people fly flags in their back yard?
If you have ANY more questions, please just print them here and if YT plays the game and alerts me to them (sometimes that doesn't happen) I'll be happy to answer them.
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@DENNIS MAGARE Good morning, Dennis. Firstly, it is important to know that Freemasonry is not a religion NOR a substitute for one. No worship of anyone, or anything happens at our meetings.
Secondly, you need to know that there are many Christians in Freemasonry, of various sub-denominations, as well as men of other religions. Indeed, we have many members of the clergy among our numbers! We have members of all of the worlds major religions and some men (like me) who have a belief in some sort of supreme being, but do not necessarily subscribe to an organised religion. Belief in some sort of supreme being is the first requirement for membership.
When a man comes to interview for Freemasonry, the FIRST question that must be asked, is "do you have a belief in a supreme being"? The man must answer "yes" for the interview to continue. After that, there is NO more mention of religion... as it is not relevant.
At our meetings, we do not allow the discussion of religion or politics. Not disrespectfully, but because religion and politics are the two subjects that cause the most trouble in the world. They can cause division and discord. Freemasonry is bout unity and harmony. But just because a man comes to a meeting, that doesn't stop him being a Christian and supporting the XYZ party... it's just that we mustn't discuss it at meetings.
I am fortunate in that I have travelled to many regions of the planet. I have attended meetings and dined (we always have a dinner after our meetings!) where Arab and Jew, Catholic and Protestant, Sunni and Shia sit together. These men would normally be at each others throats, but at meetings, they meet as equals, friends and Brothers. It is a sight to behold! Now you tell me any other place on the planet where that happens!
So in conclusion, there is nothing in Freemasonry which is incompatible with Christianity or any other religion you care to mention. Questions? Please feel free to ask me anything you like!
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@corywiedenbeck1562 Many Freemasons believe as you do, that JC is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. But there is no REQUIREMENT to believe that.
Sigh... the Pike thinking again...I'm really getting tired of explaining this because so many people experience hearsay and take it as truth.
Pike was a 33rd Degree Freemason. Outside the Southern Jurisdiction hardly anyone had ever heard of him. He was the proverbial "big fish in a small pond". He produced a book called Morals and Dogma. Many people "quote" from it and in fact it's usually a misquote! Did you know, the book is actually mostly about comparative religions and NOT Freemasonry. But because Comparative religions and Freemasonry were two of Pike's biggest interests. But Pike never wrote most of it. Over 50% of it was copied from other works... he only actually wrote just less than 50% of it.
There is a passage in it regarding Lucifer. It is THE most misunderstood passage since anything in Finnegan's Wake! Many uber-religious people (those that have abandoned reason in favour of blind faith) hear of it and take it as truth that it is an admittance of devil worship in Freemasonry. but they fail to ask themselves Why would a man like Pike, who was a very very enthusiuastic Mason admit to worshipping the Devil in a book? The answer?... he wouldn't! You have it wrong wrong wrong.
In fact, "Lucifer" is nothing to do with anything devilish or Satanic. Here's why.
Some Christian writers have applied the name "Lucifer" as used in the Book of Isaiah, and the motif of a heavenly being cast down to the earth, to Satan. Sigve K Tonstad argues that the New Testament War in Heaven theme of Revelation 12 (Revelation 12:7–9), in which the dragon "who is called the devil and Satan … was thrown down to the earth", was derived from the passage about the Babylonian king in Isaiah 14.[71] Origen (184/185 – 253/254) interpreted such Old Testament passages as being about manifestations of the Devil; but writing in Greek, not Latin, he did not identify the devil with the name "Lucifer".[72][73][74][75] Tertullian (c. 160 – c. 225), who wrote in Latin, also understood Isaiah 14:14 ("I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High") as spoken by the Devil,[76] but "Lucifer" is not among the numerous names and phrases he used to describe the devil.[77] Even at the time of the Latin writer Augustine of Hippo (354–430), "Lucifer" had not yet become a common name for the Devil.[72]
Some time later, the metaphor of the morning star that Isaiah 14:12 applied to a king of Babylon gave rise to the general use of the Latin word for "morning star", capitalized, as the original name of the devil before his fall from grace, linking Isaiah 14:12 with Luke 10 (Luke 10:18) ("I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven") and interpreting the passage in Isaiah as an allegory of Satan's fall from heaven.[78][79]
As a result, "Lucifer has become a byword for Satan or the Devil in the church and in popular literature",[3] as in Dante Alighieri's Inferno, Joost van den Vondel's Lucifer, and John Milton's Paradise Lost.[53] However, unlike the English word, the Latin word was not used exclusively in this way and was applied to others also, including Jesus: the Latin (Vulgate) text of Revelation 22:16 (where English translations refer to Jesus as "the bright morning star") has stella matutina, not lucifer, but the term lucifer is applied to Jesus in the Easter Exultet and in a hymn by Hilary of Poitiers that contains the phrase: "Tu verus mundi lucifer" (You are the true light bringer of the world).[80]
Adherents of the King James Only movement and others who hold that Isaiah 14:12 does indeed refer to the devil have decried the modern translations.[81][82][83][84][85][86] An opposing view attributes to Origen the first identification of the "Lucifer" of Isaiah 14:12 with the devil and to Tertullian and Augustine of Hippo the spread of the story of Lucifer as fallen through pride, envy of God and jealousy of humans.[87]
However, the understanding of the morning star in Isaiah 14:12 as a metaphor referring to a king of Babylon continued also to exist among Christians. Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393 – c. 457) wrote that Isaiah calls the king "morning star", not as being the star, but as having had the illusion of being it.[88] The same understanding is shown in Christian translations of the passage, which in English generally use "morning star" rather than treating the word as a proper name, "Lucifer". So too in other languages, such as French,[89] German,[90]Portuguese,[91] and Spanish.[92] Even the Vulgate text in Latin is printed with lower-case lucifer (morning star), not upper-case Lucifer (proper name).[5]
John Calvin said: "The exposition of this passage, which some have given, as if it referred to Satan, has arisen from ignorance: for the context plainly shows these statements must be understood in reference to the king of the Babylonians."[93] Martin Luther also considered it a gross error to refer this verse to the devil.[94]
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@mo Mo The room we meet in is properly called a "Lodge room". Some Masons call it a temple, because it is very loosely based on the design of King Solomon's temple. Why? Because the highest Degree there is, the Third Degree, is a sort of two-act play set in the temple. The principal architect is murdered because he would not divulge the secrets of a Master Mason..he had made a promise not to and his integrity prevented him from breaking his word. King Solomon is consumed by grief and sends men to look for the murderers and the architects body. They and it are found. The murderers are put to death and the body is re-interred inside the temple.
NO worship of any kind happens in Freemasonry. Each Freemason is encouraged to follow his own religion and when he joins, no Mason is required to take on any further religious beliefs.
Why do we wear regalia? Two reasons, really. It is believed that we originated from the guilds of the ancient stonemasons that built the great cathedrals of the middle ages. Naturally, if a man was working a piece of stone on his lap, he would wear an apron to protect his clothes. These were Operative Masons. In time, well to do men caught on to the idea of the "guild" a sort of union or self-help group..and developed their own, but extended it to those outside the fraternity... anyone who needed help. They adopted the stonemasons tools and used them symbolically as a guide to their morals..similarly, they wore aprons.. but the mode of the day was for "fancy"... so they decorated them with more symbols and now they are used to denote rank.
A meeting involves a fair bit of talking. We may discuss charitable giving, or perhaps perform a Degree ceremony, or maybe a lecture on the history of the Craft. there will be propositions for membership, discussing potential candidates for Freemasonry.
I hope I have answered your questions adequately. If you have more, please feel free to ask.
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@The Rock If you had typed your post in a grammatically correct way, it would have been clear. Your post could have indicated that the Father was the Freemason, or that he was the Father OF a Freemason. You never even intimated that it was a Father talking to his son. I speak English.. what language do you speak? You SHOULD have typed "A Freemason, when speaking to his son, said..." Oh, the irony of it! An American (I assume you are an American) giving English lessons to an English man..... quite amusing, really.
Anyway. Er... you believe him? Because he's a "Disinformation Agent" (Oh.. by the way. See what I did, there? I used capitals, on the words "Disinformation Agent"....because it is a proper name. I Iearned that, when I was.. ooh.... around 5 years old... in English language class) don't you think, by him saying that Freemasons are taught the Earth is flat..... that statement itself may be disinformation?
Go away, learn to speak English and then come back to me with any more questions that you may have. I've better things to do with my time, than to decipher your inane ramblings.
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@GoVitasCom Sadly, the media and quite a lot of ill-informed people still call us a "secret society". I think that it's just because the phrase rolls so easily off the tongue! The reality is of course that we are NOT a secret society. I mean, by definition, the fact that we are discussing it here means it is not secret!
You ask why we can't show our rituals? Well, it's private. I can describe them to you if you wish, but there are tiny aspects of them I have promised not to reveal, but because they are super-serious, Earth shatteringly important... they aren't. But my integrity as a man forbids me from telling you exactly what they are. And if you went to a meeting of any club, society, business etc, do you think they let just anyone in? Of course not.. the meetings are private. Just like Freemasonry. Members only!
Freemasonry itself is an open book as long as you don't listen to the morons in here! Ask me anything and I'll do my best to answer you.
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@HatimMukabele Rural people? Not a problem. Poor people? Well, if you join Freemasonry, there are certain fees you must pay to retain your membership. On top of those fees, there are other costs... the cost of your meal after the meeting, the charitable giving you make when you are in the meeting, for example. You also need to buy your own regalia. That is not cheap. There are also social functions that cost money to take part in. There is a lot of giving in Freemasonry. If we were to accept those who are financially struggling already, we wouldn't want to add to that stress and strain. In fact, it is one of the rules of Freemasonry, that we do not accept anyone, whose financial obligations are already quite tight...as to add to them will put pressure on the family...and that is not acceptable. We do not want to adversely affect the family of any man.
If a Mason falls on hard times, there is help available for him and his family... but you need to financially buoyant BEFORE you join.
I hope that helps.
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@kuyaricky These things are staged by art directors, set dressers and choreographers. They just grab a load of symbolism and throw it on screen. I even saw a Grand Lodge certificate on the wall of Ian McShane's office in Hellboy 3! In short, it's people that don't know what they are talking about, but what looks like what THEY THINK "satanism" is. In reality, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a Satanist to become a Freemason. It is impossible for an atheist too. the PRIMARY requirement for membership, is to have, as the central figure in one's life, a sungle supreme being, responsible for the creation of the universe. Satan did not create the universe and not even Satanists believe he did. Atheists do not believe in any sort of deity at all, so they're out, too.
FM is COMPLETELY compatible with ANY of the world's faiths. It is NOT a faith in itself...it is a fraternity, dedicated to moral rectitude and charitable works.
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@heathermeadows4134 Good morning, Heather. Freemasonry is NOT a religion, nor a substitute for one. A religion requires a deity, sacraments, clergy, a promise of eternal life. Freemasonry has none of those.
Albert Pike, in his tome "Morals and Dogma" tried to get across the fact that Freemasonry certainly promotes devotion to god, but allows for religious freedom. In other words, he says that we should all endeavour to get closer to god, by whatever name he is known to the individual Mason.
Pike was a lawyer and as such was a great linguist. However, he did like to use very flowery and antiquated language, even for the day. Because of this, you ought not get bogged down with his writings, as they can be very misleading.
All these people who become "born again Christians" and "leave Freemasonry". Well, they usually fall in to a few categories.
1. Never were Masons in the first place, despite telling people that they were...but applied to join and got rejected. Result? Sour grapes.
2. Were Freemasons, but did something wrong (usually non-payment of dues or gaining a criminal record) and as such are thrown out. Result? Sour grapes.
3. Religious zealots, who wish to further their "status" within their congregation or religious circle, simply by lying about things. They feel it makes them look like the good guys.
Secrets? Almost NOTHING is secret in Freemasonry. The ONLY things we cannot divulge, are the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked. All else can be discussed openly with anyone, Mason or not. You may ask me anything you wish regarding Freemasonry. Don't get distracted by the conspiracy theorists and trouble makers in tittle tattle and gossip. Be informed.
I know the above is something you probably don't want to hear. People just LOVE to bash Freemasons...but it really is true.
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@j18i319 Please explain what you mean by "scope".
How big? There are currently in excess of 6 million Freemasons spread over the globe.
Who is involved? Well, it's men only. Women are not allowed to be Freemasons, despite there being several different groups of women who CALL themselves Freemasons. The vast majority of Freemasons are just ordinary men who you would see walking down the street any say of the week. Some Masons are well known but most are not. We are from all echelons of society. For example, I was a meeting last week, where the Master of the Lodge, was a butcher. The Lodge was Initiating a new member, who was a neurosurgeon. So the most senior member of that Lodge is a butcher and the most junior is a neurosurgeon! What a man does for a living is of zero importance. How much cash he has in the bank, of zero importance. What IS important, is a man's character and that is how he is regarded, within Freemasonry.
How does it connect to society? It does so, by means of all of the members, being part of it. Freemasons try to improve themselves from a standpoint of integrity, kindness and good character. As we interact with all the other members of society, we try to be the best examples we can be, of citizens of the world.
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@ZeeKay Walker Good morning, Z. Freemasonry only accepts men of integrity. A man of integrity, keeps his word. So when a man joins Freemasonry, he is asked to take a simple obligation not to reveal simple things... basically, the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked. Now anyone can say "sure, I agree not to reveal them".... but if they do that with their hand resting on their own holy book and in the presence of their god, it makes it a hugely more solemn and sincere promise. That's the only reason a belief in a Supreme Being is required. It is a symbol of a mans integrity.
There is a requirement for the man to believe in just one god that created the universe... that it was the work of just one Supreme Being. That's the crux of the matter... being responsible for the creation of the universe.
As you have stated, a typical meeting, there is no discussion of a religious (or political) nature, as these are the two subjects that cause the most trouble in the world. All wars are about religion or politics, either full on, or by association.
No worship of any kind goes on at our meetings. There are no sacraments given and there is no promise of eternal life. In fact, the Highest Degree there is in Freemasonry, the Third, or Master Masons Degree is about integrity and how we should face our own death.
I hope I have answered your question adequately and if you have more, please feel free to ask.
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@Ruslan Mamadaliyev You'll no doubt be surprised to learn, that almost nothing in Freemasonry is deemed to be secret. In other words, we can tell you almost anything you like.
The "secrets" are simply, the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked. But in truth they are all over the internet and the library. They are insignificant... so we don't care if you know them or not, it's just that we have made a promise not to reveal them..and that's as a symbol of our integrity. After all, if we can't keep something as unimportant as our "secrets" to ourselves.. what would our word really be worth?
It is thought that Freemasonry stemmed from the craft of the stonemasons of the middle ages... think gothic cathedrals etc. The building site of these cathedrals was run by a Master stonemason, well skilled in all aspects of the building trade. He was in charge of fellows of the craft and apprentices and they were paid according to their skill level. So for example, when an apprentice got better in his craft, he naturally wanted to get promoted and so earn more cash. He would go to the Master and show his work. If the Master thought he had improved enough, he was promoted.
Now, if that man's work was finished on that site, he'd travel to another one looking for work. He'd go to the Master and tell him his qualifications so that he could be put to work on the appropriate job AND be paid accordingly. But how did he PROVE his skill level? When he reached the next level of skill, the man's previous Master would take him to one side and give him a grip and a word.... naturally these were kept secret because if anyone else found them out, they could travel to any site claiming to be of a skill level and be paid more than they were worth.....so they are kept secret. the man sees the Master of his new site... gives him the word and the grip.. and he was paid for his skill level. That's the origin of OUR secrets.
I hope I have explained this adequately.
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@ruslanmamedaliyev3912 If you don't come to the table with an open mind, in other words, you have made your mind up that I will lie, why bother to ask the questions? That, to me, looks more like the type of stance a conspiracy theorist comes from. Conclusion first, evidence later.
But... in the interest of friendship and to defend my much-maligned Craft, here goes.
1. No one man is in charge of all the worlds Masons. Each Grand Lodge has it's own Grand Master. Each one is independent of the rest. However, in order to be an official Grand Lodge (we say a Regular Grand Lodge) all must maintain the basic principles and tenets of the United Grand Lodge of England, largely thought to be the worlds oldest Grand Lodge.
The HQ of the United Grand Lodge of England is based behind Covent Garden, London, England. It is open to the public and runs free tours for anyone, of the building, and the library, the museum, several times a day, most days of the year. you may also visit our shop and purchase anything that we wish to.. ritual books, regalia, jewellery, clothing etc etc.
www.ugle.org.uk
2. Men join for different reasons. Some because they wish to be involved with philanthropy, some because it is a social thing, some use it to get in to comminity work, some because it recreates a cameraderie they no longer (or perhaps still do) enjoy in the armed forces, the police, the ambulance service etc etc. I myself an ex-Royal Navy and consider my Brethren similar to my shipmates when I was at sea.
Most men are of average income and status in society. Don't believe it when people say only the wealthy join... that is not true. Yes we do have wealthy members, but not an inordinate amount.
If a man's aim IS wealth power and world domination, why would he have to join the Freemasons to do it? He could just do it anyway. we have been going since probably the 11th century. If our aim was world domination.. don't you think we'd have done it by now?
I happen to know a few "high flyers" in this world who are prominent in business etc.. and they come to their Lodge to get away from all that stuff.. to a haven of peace and friendship without all the high pressure stuff they deal with in their day-to day dealings at work...so your contention is the polar opposite of reality!
3. Freemasonry has a policy of non-interference in politics, religion, commerce etc etc. I'd be interested to see these documents you mention... because they do not exist. If any Masonic movement did get involved in those things, it would not be a "Regular" (I explained what "Regular" was near the top) Lodge... ie a non-authorised one, of which there were a few over the last few centuries.
4. If you are going to make accusations about "sacrificing children" and "bad things", you should come up with evidence. For example, the fact that you have brought this up, tells me that YOU are in to sacrificing children. Now.. prove to me that isn't so.
Why WOULD we sacrifice children? We run 22 hospitals in the USA for the FREE treatment of children... ANY children... if their parents cannot pay. If we were to do all that.. why on Earth would we want to sacrifice them? And who to? We are a secular fraternity and have nothing to do with religion of any kind. Again.. if we were in to all that, why would we have to join the Freemasons to do it? We wouldn't!
5. Satan? Are you crazy? Yes! you are! The last question and this one proves to me you are incapable of reasonable thought and I'm loathe to carry on on... however...
It's a similar thing to question 3 and 4. Why on Earth would we have to join Freemasonry to do that?
It is a requirement that any man who applies to be a Freemason MUST be asked..as the first question.. "Do you have a belief in a Supreme Being"? And by that, we mean whatever it was that created the universe. Any way you slice it, that aint Satan! If the man says "yes", the interview continues. If he says "no" the interview ends and he is sent in his way.
Many people who believe in God (by whatever name you call it) believe there has to be a Devil of some sort. I do not. Yes there has to be a builder.. who created the universe...that many term God, Yaweh, Allah etc etc.. but there does NOT have to be a "Satan"..or a "Devil".
Now you can believe that or not. I'm past caring. I know I'm a good man and that I want to improve myself on a daily basis and help others along the way... and that's all that matters.
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@glendadriggers Good morning, Glenda. No, Freemasonry is not involved in the politics of the USA or any other nation.
In Freemasonry, a Mason must never ever use his membership to use undue influence for personal gain. This includes politics.
Did you know, that ALL discussion of religion and politics is FORBIDDEN in a Lodge?
Yes, 14 Presidents of the USA have been Masons, the first being George Washington and the last Gerald Ford, but aside from those, only a handful of others have been Masons.
If you have any further questions regarding Freemasonry, please feel free to ask me. Almost nothing in Freemasonry is "secret" and 99.99% is perfectly open for discussion with anyone, Mason or not.
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@Richard ushiro-lumb Just to correct an otherwise accurate post.
You said "should not be of any specific religion" That is incorrect. I think you MEANT to say "a man can be of any religion....as long as he has a belief in a higher power".
You talk about us providing " connections for individuals in life" This is totally incorrect and in fact the reverse is true. We do NOT provide connections and anyone found to be profiting, either legally, financially, in business, or otherwise as a consequence of their membership will be disciplined and this CAN lead to permanent expulsion.
I remember a case of when I was the master of my Lodge. I noticed a new member handing out business cards for his garage to the Brethren. The Brethren all refused to take them. He was trying to drum up custom for his garage. I had my Director of Ceremonies tell him to stop it. the fact he was new, I cut him some slack. Next meeting, there he was again trying to handout business cards. This time, I told him myself in no uncertain terms that if he continued to do this, I would have him disciplined and he was to stop immediately. We never saw him again. He had got the wrong idea about Freemasonry from posts just like yours...and now the fact I stopped him doing it meant he had no need for Freemasonry. We were well rid of him.
There is no "higher up the chain" All Freemasons meet on the level... we greet each other as equals. HRH the Duke of Kent is my brother.
If you need any more info, or have any more questions, please just ask.
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@J. Hortenberry
1. False.
The word "pertaining" means appropriate, applicable or related to...." Our beliefs are, that a man should act in a morally upright and charitable manner. This does not pertain to any deity. The reason we insist in a belief in a Supreme Being is that the individual promises to behave in this way in the sight of his God, whomsoever that may be, in an effort to give the greatest gravity to his promise.
2. False.
The rituals carried out pertain to the individual involved. It is all about him. We acknowledge that these rituals are carried under the all seeing, all knowing and omnipresent creator of the universe. There is NO devotion to any deity at all.
3. "The Great Architect of the Universe" is NOT a deity. It is a generic term for any God that the individual believes in. it does NOT refer to a specific deity. For example, you cannot compare the phrase "Great Architect of the Universe", with the name "Yaweh GAOTU is generic and Yaweh is specific.
4. True....ish. It is HOPED that a man will improve and learn as he goes about his Masonic career. That he will go through the ritual and use this experience to grow as a man, for the betterment of society. However, men join for different reasons. Some join with that very aim in mind. Some men join as more of a social thing. Some join because they miss the cameraderie they enjoyed in one of the armed services. Some join strictly as a structured way to give to charity, rather than just throw a few coins in to a guitar case of a busker.
Freemasonry does not tell men what to think, but it does provide food for thought. We cannot and will not attempt to brainwash men as some churches do. Men are free to make what they will of the furniture of the Lodge, the ritual, the history and supposed origins. For example, in every Lodge, you will see the letter G, usually suspended from the ceiling or over the Chair of the Master. Some will say it stands for God. Some will say it stands for Gnosis. Some for Geometry. In reality, they are all right. Because that G stands for whatever the individual wants it to mean. Freemasonry is a personal thing.
I notice that you have cherry-picked only one of a set of definitions of the word "Religion". One of the other definitions of that word, according to the same source that you used is:-
"something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience"
The above definition could also apply to the word ABORTION. Would you REALLY call that a religion? If you REALLY want a DEFINITIVE answer to a question, I would be careful when providing definitions of a word like "religion" being so open to so many interpretations as it is.
I have answered you question as fully as I can. I have refuted 3 of the four statements you made in complete and utter honesty. The fourth question is as shaky as trying to build a castle on a swamp and should never have been asked in the first place, as the definition provided is actually indefinite.
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@untoldhistory2800 It's SO interesting to note, that like all religious zealots and conspiracy theories, you guys always quote what you have above.... but OMIT THE SECTION BEFORE and AFTER what is told to the Candidate when they take the obligation. The fact that you choose to carry on this practice of being "economical with the truth" proves you have a conclusion... and THEN try to find "evidence" to support, said conclusion.
This is taken DIRECTLY from my ritual book and blows your suspicions out of the water.
Worshipful Master:
" ...vows of fidelity are required, but let me assure you that there is nothing in those vows which are incompatible with your CIVIL, SOCIAL, MORAL, OR RELIGIOUS DUTIES".
And also, before the "secrets" (what you described earlier about the throat etc) are revealed. The Master of the Lodges states this...
"..."but the danger that traditionally WOULD have awaited you until your latest hour, was the physical penalty AT ONE TIME associated with the Obligation of a Mason had he improperly disclosed the secrets of Masonry"....."the inclusion of such a penalty is no longer necessary for the Obligation you have taken this evening is binding upon you, so long as you shall live".
In short, it explains that the penalties for revealing Masonic secrets back in KING SOLOMON'S day were gruesome and severe... but no longer apply today.
I await your apology.
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@untoldhistory2800 Not at all UT. We do NOT reference anything in the New Testament at a Masonic meeting. if we did that, we would exclude Freemasons with us who were not Christian. We don;t do that....We omit the name of ALL representatives of ALL religions when we call upon whatever it is that created the universe to watch over us while we do good works and substitute it with a name that all can identify with.. the Great Architect of the Universe... remember.. it's a word that all can use.. and when they utter it at all.... it's their own God they are talking about. We don't single out Christianity and that is so that men of all faiths and of none, can come together without having to face the division so prevalent in modern day society. Where else can you see men who would normally be bitter enemies, either side of a religious divide, come together as friends and brothers on love and peace? The ONLY place this happens on the entire planet... is at a Masonic meeting....you certainly wouldn't find it in a Mosque or a Church!
Religion of ANY denomination causes division.. Freemason creates unity. And this is why at ALL Masonic meetings, the discussion of religion (and politics) is forbidden. Now you tell me... which is better?
I notice you haven't answered my point on taking oaths.. what you were originally going on about. Who gave YOU the right to pick and choose what to take heed of from the bible and what to ignore?
I'll pass on the books of Bible you want me to read. To me, it is a work of fiction (just all holy books are) but that's a personal choice. Many members in Freemasonry would disagree with me... but that wouldn't matter.. we all tolerate each others personal beliefs without necessarily sharing them.
Oh...I would just mention one one quote in the bible. Try this for size.
Matthew chapter 7, verse 1-3.
In fact, I tell you what.. to save you the trouble of looking it up...I'll quote it here.
Matthew 7:1-3 New International Version (NIV)
Judging Others
7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Verse 3 is particularly telling.
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@n.f896 You prior post reveals that you know nothing of Albert Pike or Freemasonry, choosing as you do to simply regurgitate the same tired old claptrap that's been going round for years.
1. Pike was NOT the "Head of Freemasonry".
Such a man could not exist. Why? Because each REGULAR Grand Lodge has it's own Grand Master. Each Regular Grand Lodge is independent of all the others. So you see, there is no one "Head" of Freemasonry.
Pike was a big fish, in an EXTREMELY small pond, the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite. Outside the SJ, hardly anyone had ever heard of him.
2. Morals and Dogma is, essentially, a collection of 32 lectures with reference ONLY to the Scottish rite of Freemasonry, which exists, only, in the USA, save for a few offshoots here and there. It is of NO relevance to mainstream Freemasonry. The musings of an old man. The book was only half written by Pike anyway as the other half was taken from other works. It was such an awful book, that even the preface, written by his bosses of the Southern Jurisdiction, wrote "it would have been better if he had written less and borrowed more". Hardly a generous tribute!
3. There are NO "regulations for being a Freemason". Goodness knows where you got THAT one from!
He does not refer to Lucifer as the Devil or Satan. Lucifer is a Latin word, that essentially means "Light".
FYI, the vast vast majority of Freemasons will not follow the Scottish Rite, being nothing more than an offshoot of Regular, Craft Freemasonry. Of the 6.5 million Freemasons in the world, only around 160,000 are SR members.
To write such a post as you did, in such an authoritative manner, yet have so much wrong, is astonishing.
As a 33rd Degree Freemason of the Scottish Rite, I utterly and completely refute the ridiculous allegations you have made.
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@henk koonstra the three grand principles on which Freemasonry is founded are, broadly speaking, "brotherly love, relief and truth".
Brotherly Love as directed towards all mankind and especially to other Masons...to care for those who cannot care for themselves until such time as they are able to do so.
Relief, or "charity" in that every Mason is obligated to relieve the suffering of anyone they encounter who is in dire need, and if in their power to do so, to the best of their ability, to act charitably towards society, giving of themselves in terms of time and of cash, to better the common good.
And Truth, which is represented by the Divine in its multiplicity and diversity, as understood by all men. In other words to have a faith in some sort of "Supreme Being". This "Supreme Being" has to be one which can be described by the majority of people as a benevolent one, as the obligations sworn by Masons as they take their Degrees, contain certain things in direct opposition to anything which can not be described as benevolent.
These three ideas represent the core upon which Freemasonry focuses in its ultimate distillation, in that Freemasonry does not hold one faith above another, rather seeing faith itself as the common denominator between all of faiths.
In order for a Grand Lodge to be described as "regular" certain conditions have to be met.
The United Grand Lodge of England is the worlds oldest Grand Lodge, in 2017, the UGLE celebrated its 300th anniversary, but Freemasonry has ben going a lot longer than the foundation date of June 1717!
However, to be considered regular, a Grand Lodge has to satisfy the conditions set by UGLE.
1. A Mason must have a belief in some sort of Supreme Being (as mentioned above) but it doesn't matter which one. We have members of all faiths and of none. Some Masons do not think organised religion is relevant but can still believe in this being. This is THE primary requirement for membership.
2. A Mason must be MALE. There are organisations that style themselves as Freemasons but they admit ladies only, or ladies and gentlemen.....so we do not consider them as "regular"
3. A Mason must be of mature age and that is as defined, broadly, as the minimum legal age for complete freedom in a locale. In certain circumstances, this can be altered, depending on circumstances. For example, if a man wishes to join a Lodge where the minimum age is 21 and he is about to deploy to a war zone and is only 20 or so, where there is a possibility that he may not return, a Lodge can petition to accept his application to join before he deploys.
I hope that the above goes some way to enlighten you. If you have any more questions, please contact me here.
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@Cannabis Grow videos Movies? I take it you mean "movement". Well, one of the aims of Freemasonry is to care for the community it finds itself in. For example, we are the largest contributor to charity after the National Lottery in England. Most of the Air Ambulances that fly around the skies of England, saving lives where paramedics and ordinary ambulances cannot go would not be able to operate due to lack of funding. Research in to cancer, Parkinson's, Alzheimers, mental conditions etc etc is funded by Freemasonry. sure, we aren't the only contributor to those charities, but we make a HELL of an impact. The Royal College of Surgeons would be seriously compromised if it wasn't for the financial funding of Freemasonry.
Disaster relief is also a concern. There hardly seems to be a day go by where we do not hear of some natural disaster. As soon as any disaster like an Earthquake, a Tsunami, a hurricane etc happens, we donate huge amounts to the Red Cross or the Red Crescent so that they can carry on their lifesaving work.
In the United States, the Shriners (a side Degree of Freemasonry) has built and continues to run, 22 hospitals for the treatment of children.. for FREE. No money changes hands.. not even from insurance.
But it isn't just cash we give. We give our time and our expertise too. I am a 1 man ambulance service for my local retirement home. Many of the residents of the home need to get to and from hospital and do not have their own transport. On the days I am off work, I use my own car, using my own fuel to transport them to and from their appointment. I am not paid for this, nor do I require any payment.
A friend of mine from another Lodge runs a night time food van for hot food and snacks for the homeless, plus a listening ear if required. He funds this himself. He is a successful business man so works his own hours, and can afford to keep the service going.
Local fishermen have just got together to form a group to teach angling to mentally and physically disabled children. It is hoped that it will be something different that they can all benefit from.
Enough?
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@2handsandwiches When people hear "The Crown", they automatically think of the King and Queen. When they hear "London" or "The City", they instantly think of the capital of England in which the monarch officially resides since London's expansion absorbed the City of Westminster.
"The City" is in fact a privately owned Corporation - or sovereign state - occupying 677 acres in the heart of the 610 square mile "Greater London" area. The population of the City is 5,000 whereas Greater London has 8 million.
"The Crown" is a committee of 12-14 men who rule this independent sovereign state known as London or "The City". "The City" is not a part of England and is not subject to the Sovereign nor under rule of Parliament. It is an independent state, like Kowloon City in Hong Kong, which belonged to Communist China. It's the Vatican of the commercial world.
The City is ruled by a Lord Mayor elected for one year. When the Queen visits the City she's met by the Lord Mayor at Temple Bar, the symbolic gate of the City. She bows to him and asks permission to enter his private, sovereign State. He grants permission to enter by handing her the sword of State. During such State visits, the Lord Mayor with his robes and chain, his entourage in medieval costume, outshines the Royal party, which can dress-up no further than service uniforms. The Lord Mayor leads the Queen into the City of which he is the monarch and she is his subject.
The Rothschild-controlled Bank of England, Lloyd's underwriters, London Stock Exchange, leading international trading concerns are located here. The small clique who rule the City dictate to the British Parliament, Prime Minister and Cabinet.
Until the middle of the seventeenth century, the British Monarch was truly sovereign. Britain was prosperous. Indeed, for 280 years there was no inflation. The average man worked for only 150 days of the year, and lived well. (In Australia today, its said that we work for about 150-days to pay our taxes, and the rest of the year for the usury on our houses). Conditions went down-hill ever since the privately-owned Bank of England was established to finance the profligate ways of William III. Two separate empires operated under the guise of the British Empire, all white-skinned colonies: South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada (representing 13% of the people who made-up the British Empire) were under the Sovereign and under British law. All the other colonies like India, Egypt, Bermuda, Malta, Cyprus, the colonies in Central Africa, Singapore, Hong Kong and Gibraltar comprised the hidden empire that belonged to the Crown of the City of London. These were not under British rule. Parliament had no authority over them. They were private enterprise, owned and ruled by The Crown of the City of London whose representatives had the power of life or death over the people. And there was no appeal to British law - not even for a British citizen.
As the Crown also controlled the British Government, there was no problem getting the British taxpayer to pay for naval and military forces to maintain the Crown's supremacy. Any revolts were met with terrible retribution by the British navy at no cost to the Crown who reaped fantastic profits. This was not British commerce or British wealth, and the average Briton became poorer. It was "The Crown's" commerce, and "The Crown's" wealth.
The International Bankers of the City of London today control the available resources of the world at any moment. "The Crown of the City" still own and control their former colonies, financially and materially, only today the United Nations uses American military forces supplemented by the forces of other nations and paid for by the taxpayers of member nations (The Empire of "The City", by E. C. Knuth). And today they control the politics and economies of South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and . . . the USA.
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@Matt Justice Matt, you have NO idea what I have sworn, so cannot say that. Tell you what, here's the obligation of a Freemason when he enters Freemasonry in the First Degree. Read it and THEN tell me I'm sworn to secrecy.
Worshipful Master to Candidate - Repeat your name at length and say after me:- I,.............................. Candidate gives name in full - in the presence of the Great Architect of the Universe, and of this worthy, worshipful, and warranted Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons, regularly assembled and properly dedicated, of my own free will and accord, do hereby - with left hand touches Candidate's right hand - and hereon - with left hand touches Volume of the Sacred Law - sincerely and solemnly promise and swear, that I will always heal,* (pronounced hail) conceal, and never reveal any part or parts, point or points of the secrets or mysteries of or belonging to Free and Accepted Masons in Masonry, which may heretofore have been known by me, or shall now or at any future period be communicated to me, unless it be to a true and lawful Brother or Brothers, and not even to him or them, until after due trial, strict examination, or sure information from a well-known Brother that he or they are worthy of that confidence; or in the body of a just, perfect, and regular Lodge of Ancient Freemasons. I further solemnly promise that I will not write those secrets, indite, carve, mark, engrave, or otherwise them delineate, or cause or suffer it to be so done by others, if in my power to prevent it, on anything, movable or immovable, under the canopy of Heaven, whereby or whereon any letter, character, or figure, or the least trace of a letter, character, or figure, may become legible, or intelligible to myself or anyone in the world, so that our secret arts and hidden mysteries may improperly become known through my unworthiness. These several points I solemnly swear to observe, without evasion, equivocation, or mental reservation of any kind, under no less a penalty, on the violation of any of them than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the root and buried in the sand of the sea at low water mark, or a cable's length from the shore, where the tide regularly ebbs and flow twice in 24 hours or the more effective punishment of being branded as a wilfully perjured individual, void of all moral worth, and totally unfit to be received into this worshipful Lodge, or any other warranted Lodge, or society of men who prize honour and virtue above the external advantages of rank and fortune. So help me God, and keep me steadfast in this my Great and Solemn Obligation of an Entered Apprentice Freemason.
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@Sir I.K.Elzy There are many books about Freemasonry, but the only ones you will see at a meeting will be what we call the "volume of the sacred law" and this is a generic name for whatever holy book (or books!) is relevant to the religions of those Brethren present and you will also see our ritual books.. these are books which contain the ceremonial side of the meetings. In Degree ceremonies,, we learn our parts by heart but there is always a Brother nominated to prompt anyone should they falter.
Yes, the Officers of the Lodge have specific places to sit. This is because a Lodge room is based on the temple of King Solomon, which was of course, built to certain specifications. but you say we act "religiously". Hmm.. can you describe what you mean by that? All discussion of religion and politics is forbidden at our meetings, so I'm not quite sure what you mean.
Nobody and nothing is worshipped at our meetings. It is true to say that the man in charge is called the "Worshipful Master" but Freemasonry uses archaic language and as such, the word "worshipful" in this context means "worthy of respect". Those Brethren that are Past Masters of the Lodge are called Worshipful Brother Smith, or Worshipful Brother Jones etc. etc. It is used in the same way that you may use if you are talking about the Mayor. "His Worship, The Mayor".... or maybe in a legal sense "His Worship, Judge Smith".
The use of the word "cult" is, in it's purest sense, correct. The problem is that, the average man in the street will associate those IN a cult as bad...weird.. crazy, but the opposite is true,I promise you of that. Other cults are the Roman Catholic Church, well any Church really... Followers of sports teams... cults! But does anyone accuse them of anything? Hardly...
"Do things that can harm others"? You are plainly not aware of the good that Freemasonry does. Regular Freemasonry across the globe is there to make good men better. As a group, we donate BILLIONS to charities all over. It is true to say that without our funding (which comes from our own pockets... we don't ask the public for money like Lions Clubs or Rotary) lots and lots of charitable organisations would cease to function. air ambulances in the UK are largely funded by English Masons. There are 22 hospitals in the USA paid for and run by a Masonic body called the "Shriners". These hospitals are geared towards the treatment of children.. for FREE. Anyone can take their children there,not just Freemasons children!
https://www.shrinershospitalsforchildren.org/shc
But we don't just donate money... we donate our time. I have a full time job and still manage to work on a soup kitchen... paid for by a wealthy member of our Lodge... several nights a month....and I use my own car and fuel.. for no payment.. to transport old people from a retirement home wherever they want to go. And i'm nothing special. This is what we do as Freemasons. We are community spirited people and believe that if we ALL helped each other as much as Freemasons do, the world would be a much better place.
And there are lots and lots of famous people who have been Masons. Colonel Sanders, 14 Presidents of the USA, Dr. Barnardo, John Wayne, Ernest Borgnine, Buzz Aldrin, RickWakeman etc etc.
We are good guys...honestly.
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@Rflows100 Reuben, it's arrogant of you to assume that. You're saying the "lower ranks" don't know... well as you haven't even joined, can't you see that you're lower than them!
I've been a Freemason for 25 years. I'm a Grand officer of the United Grand Lodge of England, a Past Master of TWO Lodges and hold the 33rd Degree of the Scottish Rite and have visited Lodges in 22 countries around the world. I know what I'm talking about. There is NO Fraternity within a fraternity. Yes, it makes a good story for the likes of Dan Brown and Alex Jones, but it simpoly isn't true. What would be the point? WHY would there have to be one? The answer is, there wouldn't.
Don't get hung up on symbols. Symbols are open to the interpretation of the user and have no set, specific, meaning. For example, if I mention the swastika, right away, you think Nazis. For thousands of years before those bastards got their hands on it, it was a Hindu good luck sign! Thik about the pentagram.... the five pointed star... a sure sign of demonic worship, right Well there's 50 of them on the flag of the USA! The USA may have it's faults, but they are not a nation of devil worshippers.
NO ritual in Freemasonry entails blashphemy of Jesus Christ, or any other religious character. Having been through the, all, I can confirm that. You are stringing together tales that you have heard.. tittle tattle.... gossip. 700 years ago, the Knights Templar were around. Poor soldiers of Jesus Christ. They got very popular and very rich. As a result King Phillip of Spain and the Pope of the day didn't like this. So they invented all sorts of ridiculous tales to discredit them and one of those was that they used to spit on the cross and defacate on it too. All complete nonsense, but the superstitious and not very intelligent people of the day believed it... simply because it came from the King and the Pope.Blasphemy of Jesus Christ. People sometimes say the Knights Templar and Freemasonry are linked. Not at all. There is no evidence whatsoever to say so.
Lucifer is an ancient latin word for "light"..it's not a "Masonic" word... just a Latin word. We DO use the word "Lucis"... as in "anno Lucis"... in the year of light. You may have confused the two. I will have to take your word for what Manly Hall said... but did you know, he wrote all sorts of nasty things about us...one book in particular is quoted by the conspiracy theorists and that is.."The Secret Teachings of the Ages"..that was in 1928. And guess what? Hall latyer claimed he had it all wrong and then in 1954...he JOINED Freemasonry. Do you REALLY think he'd make all sorts of nasty claims about an organisation and then join it? Of course not!
You have it ALL wrong my friend. I have been a Mason for 25 years... you've never even set foot in a Lodge room. Which of us do you think has the better grasp of the situation?
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@williamj.ryanbooks2526 William, good evening. Adam the Freemason is a very experienced Freemason, let's get that straight. He, like me, has taken it upon himself to correct, where he sees a wrong. And when he sees a wrong that is both hurtful, damning and libellous, he is, quite rightly exasperated and extremely offended at the lies aimed at morally upright men who are just trying to do their little bit to make the world a little brighter for as many people as we can. We see the same tired old accusations day after day and his response was a muted call, compared to how I have responded to such garbage in the past.
I hope that Adam forgives your ridiculous lies and supplies the answers to the questions you have asked. If you are prepared to ask questions, in search of knowledge, Adam, Will Derby and myself are more than happy to answer anything you ask.
Happy New Year.
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@JamieSmith-fz2mz Too much time? Well, each Lodge can decide for themselves, how often they meet. So if meeting, say ten times a year suits them.. ten times a year it is.
My own Lodge has 7 regular meetings per year and 7 Committees. We often get together for social events with the families and with friends who are not Masons, as well.
And it may also surprise you to know, no Mason MUST attend if he does not wish to do so. It's not like the armed forces, where you are on duty, or at least on the base, like it or not! For example, these days, many members are shift workers. If their shift coincides with a Lodge meeting, he would not be expected to attend.
I was at sea for many of my meetings. Every third Tuesday of the month at 9pm local time, I KNEW the Brethren met together were drinking a toast to "absent and seafaring Brethren".... and at that same moment, I was doing the same for them.
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@Victor Lopez It is thought that the stonemasons that built the medieval cathedrals formed Lodges..self-help groups, if you will, in order to sustain themselves through any problems in life... illness, unemployment etc etc. These were operative masons. In time, men of influence...those who were wealthy etc who were also philanthropic, thought they could live by the same code of ethics as the operative stonemasons. At first, it was a bit of a closed shop, members only..but soon, concern was shown for others, less well off than themselves.... those that could not look after themselves regardless of their social status. Fast forward.....god knows HOW many years ....and you have modern Freemasons that live by the same principles.
If you need more info, please come back to me.
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@W Love Nope. Wrong. Yes you need to be proposed, but you MAY apply to join a Masonic Lodge via their website if you don't know any one who is a member. If you satisfy the minimum requirements, and if, after an interview, the lads like you and you like them, then you may have a member volunteer to ACT as your Proposer.
The number of black balls that can reject a Candidate vary from Lodge to Lodge, depending on it's by-laws. However, it's almost never done, because the Candidate is interviewed by the Lodge members beforehand. Any objection would have happened there and the Candidate would not be invited to Initiation. The only way it WOULD happen, would be if a Lodge member knew this man and decided he was not suitable if he had missed him at the interview.
No, you CANNOT be rejected for being Catholic. We wouldn't know if a man was a Catholic or not, because nobody ever asks. It's irrelevant. The ONLY thing on a religious footing that we ask is "do you have a belief in a supreme being that created the universe"? If the Candidate says "yes", that's the end of the religious side of things and the interview continues. If he says "no", then he is thanked for his time, but the interview ends there.
REGULAR CRAFT FREEMASONRY is nearly identical the world over. Yes, there are nuances, but all Lodges, who wish to be in amity with the United Grand Lodge of England (in order to be CALLED "Freemasons") MUST adhere to certain principles and tenets, or they may not call themselves Freemasons.
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There is no relation to any government body like the CIA or the FBI. For a start, you have to realise that Masonry exists in all free nations on the Earth... those that don't even have the FBI or CIA!
The "secrets" we have (which aren't even secret... they are all over the internet and in libraries) are the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked and are only ever used in the ceremonies.
Hardly anything is secret in Freemasonry, despite what the conspiracy theorists will tell you.
We have zero to do with "illegals and paedo's". However, a man must be free of criminal convictions to join and to maintain his membership. If a man does acquire a record during his membership, he is automatically expelled.
How can we be a "secret society" if we are discussing Freemasonry here?
Some people say that we do get away with motoring offences etc. due to our membership, but it's forbidden to use membership for personal gain and that includes getting off with tickets!
We are "Speculative" Masons in that we don't do stonework, but are part of a worldwide fraternity, dedicated to moral uprightness and philanthropy. "Operative" Masons work in stone. However, we do do work in the community as you described. Many Freemasons for example are electricians, bricklayers etc and if any work like construction does need to be done in the community, they will most likely give their time for free. I run and man a food kitchen for the homeless in my local community several nights a week. Community work is very important for those less fortunate than ourselves.
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Traveling ManDecember 20, 2014 at 5:00 PM
While serving in the United States House of Representatives, Crockett became a Freemason. He entrusted his masonic apron to the Weakly Lodge in Tennessee before leaving for Texas, and it still survives today. (Publication from the Grand Lodge of Texas, on Masonic Research).
Do a little homework dude, before "opening mouth and removing all doubt."
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Steve Harrison, 33°, FMLRDecember 21, 2014 at 6:16 AM
Davy Crockett most likely belonged to a Lodge near his home in Weakley County, Tennessee. A fire destroyed the Lodge during the Civil War and, along with it, all membership records. His Masonic apron, however, survives. Crockett left the apron with the county for safekeeping prior to his trip to Texas. Its provenance is excellent and confirms his membership. The Grand Lodge of Texas recognizes Crockett as a Freemason and recognizes him, along with Travis, Bowie and others on the Masonic wall of honor at the Alamo.
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Matthew HarrisonApril 26, 2017 at 1:07 AM
I'm from Weakley and Carroll counties in Tennessee. Still to this day, Davy Crockett's story is well told. He lived in a area called Home of the white squarrille. His last cabin still remains they say unless I didn't hear right and it's a replica. They have a portrait of him in Weakley County Courthouse. Cool huh?
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@C V Well it depends oh what you mean by "worth it". If your reason for wanting to join is for wealth, connections, getting away with speeding tickets, then forget it.
It is forbidden to seek or be offered any special treatment for being a Mason. The ADVANTAGES of Freemasonry are that it develops you as a man. You become a better father, husband, citizen. You get the chance to rub shoulders with men of integrity and character, to help amazing charities and enjoy a great social side too.
The "knowledge" we gain, is the knowledge of the self.... nothing Earth-shattering, when it comes to the secrets of the ages, etc.
There is no such things the "people at the bottom". All Freemasons regard every other Freemason as their brother... equality reigns all over and there is certainly NO "manipulation".
If you are the kind of person who wants to manipulate, as your post bears out, then we don't want you. You'd be joining for gain and if you came to my Lodge, I'd most certainly reject you.
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@kenny832 I suppose you're right. That to anyone who was interested enough to observe us, it might seem a little old fashioned... but then Freemasonry has a strong strong sense of tradition. And traditionally, stonework was the work of men... Freemasonry embodies their tradition. Yes although there exists female Lodges, they are not formally recognised as bona fide Freemasons (although they have the same principles, wear the same regalia and perform the same rituals!) but have a good working relationship with Regular ("Regular Freemasonry" is that which adheres to the principles and tenets of the United Grand Lodge of England)Freemasonry.after the civil war,
PH Masonry was formed so that black men, denied entry to Regular Freemasonry, could become Freemasons. Happily, the Lodges still exist, although the restrictions on colour from both sides no longer exist. We have "evolved".
It is true to say that men of a certain religion to collect together and form Lodges, but it's never to the exclusion of men of other faiths.
Mixed gender Freemasonry is also not regarded as bona fide to Regular Freemasons, because one of the Principles of Regular Freemasonry is that only men can be Freemasons. There exists an organisation called "Le Droit Humain" who see themselves as Freemasons but in LDH, women are admitted and no belief in a Supreme Being is required.
I should point out that there are some Freemasons who are perhaps a little "dyed in the wool" and shun anyone that says they are a Mason but do not adhere strictly to the principles of Regular Freemasonry. Most, however are perfectly happy to consort with anyone who regards themselves as such, but it's also important to realise that there can be no cross membership. I am a Regular Freemason but I am not allowed to join another order, say LDH and vice versa, but tbh, I have no desire to, and I suspect the same is true of most, if not all, Regular Freemasons.
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@Steamshovel 1611 Not "forbidden" as there would be no cause for me to mention the name of Jesus. It's not a religious society. The word Jesus can be allied to Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogeryllantysiliogogogogoch.... a famous place in Wales....I wouldn't mention that either. Know why? Because it has ZERO to do with Freemasonry. Should I shout FORE!.....er.. no.. know why? Because GOLD has zero to do with Freemasonry.
I'm sick and tired of correcting people about Pike. YOU, like sooooo many others have completely misquoted AND misunderstood Pike. You, like so many conspiracy theorists/religious nutters are always economical with the truth. Rather than research, come up with evidence and then postulate a theory, you have a theory and then try to find evidence to support it, cherry-picking what fits with your theory and discarding the rest.
How do YOU know what happens in 29 and 30? You're not a Mason so can't possibly know. You'd LIKE that to be the case, but just because you want something to be true, that doesn't make it true.
Scottish Rite Freemasonry was NOT written by Pike. Pike was a big fish in a very small pond and outside the Southern Jurisdiction, nobody had ever heard of him.
You say Freemasonry excludes Christianity. Again, not true. Another wild claim that, as a Mason for over 20 years, I can categorically deny.
You completely misunderstand our stance on religion. It is not that we INCLUDE all the religions.... rather that we don;t care what religion you are, or even if you DON'T have a religion... your system of worship is no concern of ours. Nobody even ASKS what religion you are. The ONLY reference to a particular religion is when a man is asked what holy book he'd like to take his obligation on, rather like in a court when being sworn in.
You really ought to speak to a Mason in person and that will prove that all you think is completely untrue.
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@austinherman8869 Austin, as I have explained before, Freemasonry is NOT a religious organisation, so your questions about why we cannot agree with each others religious practices etc is irrelevant. It never comes up. And if a Brother does inadvertently start to talk about religion..any religion...he is politely asked to stop. However, in all my years in Freemasonry I have never witnessed that.
You ask "How can anyone ever fully agree if they all have their own opinions of what they’ve perceived ?" Well the answer is, we don't. As already stated, each man thinks HIS religion is the right one and anyone that does not agree with him is wrong. BUT... we do not let that difference of opinion drive a wedge between us. We accept that others believe different things but that's no reason to dislike each other.
Your post is heavily religious.... but Freemasonry is not, so all of your post is irrelevant.
Imagine that you had aimed your last post at a golfing society. do you see how pointless that would have been? Same deal here. We are about as much to do with religion as a golfing society. So, please don't get so hung up on us from a religious standpoint. We're good guys. Don't go thinking that because we have members from all religions, there is anything sinister. It is quite the reverse.
We meet as friends and equals. I've met in places where Arab and Jew, Sunni and Shia Protestant and Catholic meet as friends and equals, too! If the rest of the world adopted our stance and achieved this.... imagine how much better the world would be?
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@ApexBizSolutions In Freemasonry, the ONLY things that are "secret" are the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked. But even they aren't secret secret. You can get them online or in libraries. We don't care if you know them or not.. the contents are actually quite benign. The thing is we, as individual Masons have made a promise not to reveal them. Keeping that promise is a symbol of our integrity as men. Because of we can't keep something as unimportant as the sign, grip and word of a Degree to ourselves.. what would our word be worth?
FUN FACT. It is largely thought that signs, grips and words, were given to stonemasons in the middle ages, when they reached a level of expertise, from the Master of their site, so that they could give the same to the Master of their new site, if they chose to travel to another one. Naturally, the more expert you got, the more you got paid., so naturally, these things were kept secret and the stonemason was made to swear an oath to keep them to himself for obvious reasons. Don't forget, you couldn't just turn up at a site and present your qualifications on paper. Almost nothing was written down in those days and even if it was, most could not read or write.. so the sign, grip and word were perfect for proving a mans worth. Our "secrets" were taken from this... allegedly.
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@MattCrawley_Music Good evening, Matt. The traditional method is to approach someone you know who is a Mason and to ask them to propose you, but even to be proposed, you must satisfy some conditions.
1. Have a belief in some sort of supreme being that created the universe.
2. Be male.
3. Have no criminal convictions.
4. Be able to afford the fees without too much strain on the family budget.
5. Have the support of the family.
If you do not know a Mason, you may apply via the web site of your local Lodge. It will take a little longer, as a lodge member has to propose you. He will want to take his time to get to know you before he is happy to propose you for membership.
Every member must take part in an Initiation ceremony that we call the "First Degree". Then there's the Second a while later and ultimately the Third or Master Masons Degree. These Degrees are to encourage you to learn about yourself and the way in which you interact with society and other humans in general, in order to make the world a better place. It is hoped that the Candidate will take it upon himself to study further such of the liberal arts and science as may lay within the compass of his attainment.
At a meeting, we may have a business meet to discuss the finances of the Lodge, we may have a degree ceremony, we may have a visiting lecturer or a Masonic lecture. We will consider any communications to the Lodge and address requests for charity. there may be outside events we need to decide upon, visits we may do etc.
Almost nothing is secret in Freemasonry. It's just the conspiracy theorists that will tell you that our lips are sealed. The ONLY things in Freemasonry that we take an obligation not to reveal are the modes of recognition. The sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked,. All else is open for discussion.
So.. if you have specific questions, please feel free to ask.
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@Sue Craft It is true to say that only in the USA many years ago, black men were forbidden to join Freemasonry DESPITE fighting alongside their white compatriots in the revolutionary war. So one of these soldiers, Prince Hall, applied to the Grand Lodge of England and, in conjunction with the Grand Lodge of Ireland, was granted a patent to form a Lodge under their jurisdiction.
I am happy to say that in the vast majority of states of the USA, it is NO LONGER the case where blacks and whites are kept apart. Black men may join any Lodge they wish.....even Prince Hall Lodges. But.. as I said, this is in the majority of states. In some of the Southern states, the old way of thinking still exists and blacks are not welcome . To me, these men are NOT Freemasons.
In England, where I live; at the end of the meal that we always have after a meeting, we have a piece delivered by a man called the Tyler. One of the lines in that piece says "....we praise each brother, fair or dark, who bears no moral stain"... and this is in reference to the colour of his skin... the main thing is he bears no moral stain... we're not remotely interested in the colour of his skin.
Yes, you are right...women are not allowed to join Regular Freemasonry. This is simply a matter of tradition. It is largely thought that Freemasonry emerged from the guild of stonemasons that created the wonderful Medieval cathedrals of the middle ages. All stonemasons were men.. only men could handle the physical exertions of that job and so that spilled over to Freemasonry. However, Eastern Star is NOT the female "branch" of Freemasonry. It is a sorority, but not an equivalent.
There does exist other versions of Freemasonry....females only.. and mixed. Neither of these are officially recognised by Regular Freemasonry (the original one) but they do very similar rituals, wear very similar regalia and have similar aims. Relations between these Lodges are usually very good and many Freemasons are even married to Lady Masons! And.. if you ask Lady Masons, they wouldn't even want to be allowed to join us. However, I am a bit of a heretic. It is my opinion that ladies SHOULD be allowed to join Regular Freemasonry if they wish, but of course I am in the minority.
IF you do the right research... not just reading a book by an anti-Mason or watching a few YouTube videos, then you will see that Freemasonry is VERY badly maligned. It IS a force for good. All the silly stories you hear about us being the bad guys simply are not true.
By all means, ask me ANYTHING about Freemasonry either here or at my email and I'll do my best to help you. therealist1964@yahoo.co.uk
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@Jacqueline Amoit Good morning, Jacqueline. Do not be sorry to ask a question. Questions help us to learn.
The answer to your question, is YES. In Freemasonry, the colour of a man's skin is completely unimportant. We do not care about colour, background, profession, wealth, religion, politics. What Is important is a mans character and his integrity. We have men from all walks of life, all meeting together as equals, with the shared values of kindness, charity and care for our fellow man.
We are a no-religious and non-political order with over 6 million men all over the world.
Please feel free to ask me anything you like about Freemasonry.
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@dalebattaglia Completely incorrect. We don't swear "blood oaths" (whatever THEY are) to cover up any wrongdoing by other Masons. If a Freemason commits a crime, he is morally (not to mention legally) obliged to confess. Indeed, it is part of the Initiation, that a man is told that he must obey the laws of anywhere he resides and also to "strictly obey the moral law".
There is a famous case, the Frederick Seddon case, where the accused, on trial for murder, used a Masonic sign to the Judge in court, in order to secure an aquittal. The Judge, himself a Freemason, acknowledged the signal and said in court...
"It is not for me to harrow your feelings – try to make peace with your Maker. We both belong to the same Brotherhood, and though that can have no influence with me this is painful beyond words to have to say what I am saying, but our Brotherhood does not encourage crime, it condemns it".
The rest of your post is so ridiculous, I have not the time nor the inclination to address it.
Now go away and polish your tinfoil hat.
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@douglasruff7145 Good morning, Douglas and thanks for the response. I repeat, Douglas, the Royal Arch is the continuation of the Third Degree and is not a separate entity in itself. This is as laid down in CRAFT. Freemasonry.
You claimed that Duncan's was published before the Grand Lodge of England was formed in 1717...the 18th century. It was not. It was published in 1866...the nineteenth century. You are factually incorrect on that.
I don't know anything about Lincoln or Leigh, but Baigent was a Mason. He was also a bit of a "free spirit" coming out with all sorts of spurious claims. He was also editor of "Freemasonry Today". He was replaced... it cannot be said if it was a forceful or harmonious replacement, but I do not believe that those with an interest in Freemasonry, really thought he was a good Editor. Anyway, He claimed that HBHG was virtually identical to Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code". The Judge in the court case disagreed and the case was dismissed, further suggesting that he was a bit of a fantasist... in my view, and lots of other views...too.
You obviously take this seriously and have carried out a little bit of research in the right places (not just watched a few YT videos as most here who claim to have "researched" have done) and I do not believe you will my post. We should agree to disagree, but I thank you for your post.
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To be clear. I am a "Leaver" and despise the EU machine. I love Europe and our European neighbours because I embrace our differences rather than using those differences as an excuse for conflict and disdain.
I believe that scumbag Cameron was paying lip service to the nation, by giving us the choice, believing that never in a million years we WOULD vote to leave and that's why ne never posed the correct question...stay or go. The question of leave or remain should have been posed and THEN, negotiations should have commenced, based on the possibility that we would vote to leave. Those negotiations would have produced a "deal" and the contents of that deal should have been presented to the public BEFORE we went to the polling booths.
I was a supporter of Cameron, thinking he was an honourable man. Remember how he said, no matter how the vote turns out, he'll drive it through? He obviously thought it would be a landslide vote for "Remain". when it never went his way, he bottled out and ran. 23rd of June 2016 we had the referendum. On the 24th, when the result was known, he made a speech. This is a part of it.
"But the British people have made a very clear decision to take a different path, and as such I think the country requires fresh leadership to take it in this direction.
I will do everything I can as Prime Minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and months, but I do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers our country to its next destination.
This is not a decision I have taken lightly, but I do believe it is in the national interest to have a period of stability and then the new leadership required.
There is no need for a precise timetable today, but in my view we should aim to have a new Prime Minister in place by the start of the Conservative party conference in October".
However, he is quoted as saying in2014...
"Brussels has got too big, too bossy, too interfering..." I wonder how many interests in Europe he (and many other politicians...influencing their vote) had after this which made Leaving a bad idea.
What a scumbag. What scumbags.
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@Rayana Wolfer It is thought (though not certain!) that Freemasonry emerged from the stonemasons guilds of the middle ages. All stonemasons were men...this is due to the work being pretty arduous and heavy, so much better suited to males than females. This tradition carried on in to Freemasonry.
There are indeed groups of ladies who CALL themselves Freemasons. They dress almost identically, carry out almost identical rituals and have the same aims. However, as Freemasonry for men emerged and rules, such as "men only" were promulgated, it was set in stone (see what I did there?😂) that to be a Freemason, one had to be male. So no matter what these ladies call themselves, they cannot be Freemasons. These ladies groups, like the gentlemans groups do not admit the opposite sex. When asked, most ladies who were not in the female group, said they wouldn't want to join male Freemasonry even if they could.
I must admit to being a bit of a heretic though. As a male Mason, I think it is about time that ladies WERE permitted to join us if they wish. We must move with the times. We have recently lowered the age a man may join from 21 to 18... as most of the world now recognises that people become adult at 18. University Lodges have admitted Undergraduates from the age of 18 for some time now, but I think the lowering of minimum ages for all is the right thing to do.
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@stuartjenkins3039 Good morning Stuart. My apologies for getting back to you after a year. I have only just seen your response.
Well you say Maggie "kow towed" to the EU. Well, I'd call it "cooperation" rather than kow towing! Don't forget, the EU was a very different institution back in 1982 than it is today. Maggie would do deals with the EU and make concessions with them, when it was the right thing to do for the good of Britain. To be an inflexible and rigid leader would not be the thing to do. I am not saying I agree with everything she did... there were things I certainly would never do.. but that's me with my extremely limited knowledge of things at the time.. things that only a few people in the cabinet knew.
So the EU. It was originally a trading bloc of course. But now, it wants to be a nation in it's own right. We did the right thing by voting to leave. It is getting too big and powerful for it's own boots. And before you deny it is anything more than a trading bloc.. why would a trading bloc need it's own army?
If the EU were to fall back to being just a trading bloc, I'd be more than happy to remain a member. But it's far far different to the animal it was nearly 40 years ago.... no. To have our laws and standards dictated to us by a bunch of feckless, principled bastards that they are AND have to pay for them to do that? No thanks.
Oh and Callaghan was a buffoon and was widely known for it. He was good at PR and was seen as an "all round good fellow".. his nickname was "Sunny Jim"...but good politician?.. No. He was nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Civil Service and the Unions of the day. I don't know for sure who gave the order to send our vessels to the South Atlantic in the late 70's, but it is more than likely to have been the Defence Minister at the time (I THINK it was Dennis Healey) but even that would have been largely due to the advice and guidance of the Civil Service. Oh and it wasn't two submarines sent down south, it was one submarine and two frigates.
I don't know if you have any agreement with my words, but my post made a year ago, stands in my view.
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@Elghast Good morning. No, I'm not mental. Allies? Ok, explain to me how the Argentinian forces acquired Exocet.. a FRENCH missile...to use against our forces when it was widely known that Argentine/UK relations were deteriorating and when the balance of probability was that it was to turn in to an armed conflict. Why would ALLIES arm the ENEMY?
Having served in the Royal Navy for a long time and worked with those members of NATO of whom you speak, I can say with some authorities that, generally speaking.. not in all cases...Britain is reluctantly respected when it comes to our armed forces, but they do NOT consider us friends! Have you ever served in the armed forces and seen conflict? Well, I have. There's nothing like being "at the coalface" to explain a situation! I will keep further thoughts of other European armed forces to myself.
You seem to think that NATO is an honourable institution, dedicated to one goal of world peace. Having been a NATO delegate for a short while, yes, the outside look is impressive... but it;s far far from perfect.
When you have inside knowledge as I do, then you may speak with some authority. for the time being, I'd keep quiet if I were you.
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@davidchiumeraable Sadly, some comments are removed by YouTube...goodness knows why.
Craft Masonry is the only form of pure and ancient Fremasonry there is. Of course, there are appendant orders, like Scottish Rite and York Rite, but it is important to know, that the highest Degree there is, is the Third Degree (sometimes called the Master Masons Degree) of what Americans like to call the "Blue Lodge".
The ban on ladies joining is not a geographical thing. In order for any Grand Llodge to be "Regular", ie "official", it has to adhere to the principles and tenets set down by the United Grand Lodge of England, the worlds premier Grand Lodge. One of those tenets is that membership is open only to males. Any Grand Lodge that does allow females to join is "Irrregular and therefor, does not practice Freemasonry.
I hope that helps.
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@Baron of Haste Better than that. I'm a Freemason and have been for almost 23 years. We're very very open and I'm happy to answer anything you care to ask. I can tell you 99.9% of it.
But to answer your original Q., We are a worldwide fraternity of some 6.5 million men, dedicated to moral self-improvement and philanthropy. We only take men who have a belief in a supreme being, doesn't matter what religion they follow, if any, are free of any criminal conviction and do not expect any special privilege as a result of their membership. Contrary to popular belief, we do not recruit. If a man wishes to join, he must approach us. This can be done by speaking to a Mason you know, or by contacting us via a website.
Each Grand Lodge is separate from the rest, but the United Grand Lodge of England is the worlds oldest in existence. Here's our website which should help answer any immediate questions you might have.
www.ugle.org.uk
If you have any more questions, please let me know and I'll do my best to answer you.
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@paulnguyen8104 Paul you said "anything secret is in darkness". That was quite clear and specific. No allusions or assumptions. The thing is, I called you out for saying something stupid and you don't like it... hence your backpeddling. It's a typical conspiracy theorists way of handling an argument that he is losing. Blame the detractor by saying it is HIS fault for misunderstanding. Go back to making Barnum statements like the rest of your ilk.
Secret society? So the fact that the HQ of the largest and oldest Grand Lodge of Freemasons in the world, the United Grand Lodge of England, is a huge building in central London with "United Grand Lodge of England" plastered all over it, runs free tours of the building, library and museum of Freemasonry, several times a day, most days of the year , for ANYONE for FREE, where you can visit our shop where ANYONE can buy ritual books, regalia, Masonic jewellery etc etc.... makes it a "secret society". Go away, you fool you're trying my patience.
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@Wiseman108 No, it is not. For a Lodge to be regarded as "Regular"... ie official, it must adhere to certain principles and tenets. Any body outside of this cannot be regarded as Masonic. On the continent of Europe, there have existed several groups who call themselves Masons, but they do not require their members to be conviction free, have no requirement for a belief in a supreme being of any kind and admit women. Regular Freemasonry demands a belief in a supreme being, males only and no criminal convictions. What they get up to is up to them... but it is not Freemasonry. Just because they call themselves Masons... that does not make them Masons. After all, could call myself a chair. that doesn't make me a chair!
The Illuminati have not existed since the late 1780's.
If any group are carrying out Satanic rituals, they are not Freemasons.
The first instalment of the Assassins Creed franchise first appeared in 2007.... the year AFTER The Da Vinci code was released... 2006. Dan Browns book and the subsequent movie, raised the profile of Freemasonry, and so the authors of Assassins Creed built in to the story, certain aspects of Masonic and Templar history to give it some impetus and contemporary meaning. That's it. It's just a story. the game is not a link to Freemasonry or Templar lore of any description.
The templars were, to all intents and purposes, finished in 1307. The Bilderberg Group were not founded until 1954. There can be no link whatsoever.
There is no substantial evidence to show and link between the Knights Templar and Freemasonry. There is confusion because of the modern day Masonic Knights Templar. We exist as a side order of Freemasonry and exhibit the same qualities of the KT's of the middle ages. Again.. no discernible link between us and them.
In all my 23 years in Freemasonry and the Lodges I have visited in 22 countries around the world, work in the same way and carry out the same ceremonies with the same secrets contained in each. I am a Mason from England. I could just walk in to a Lodge in Jaipur and partake in the ceremony right away.... because they are 99% the same wherever you go.
And why WOUILD Satanists want to be Freemasons when the aims and principles of Freemasonry are the exact opposite from that which a Satanist believes? It's just ridiculous to say that we are, in any way, the same as Satanists.
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@avinavith5448 It looks like Brother Tee Cee has tired of you. Please allow me to answer in his stead.
To start with, nobody and nothing is ever worshipped in Freemasonry. We are a fraternity, not a religion nor a substitute for one.
Why secrets? Well, we take good men and make them better. Better in terms of integrity, character and compassion. As you may know, Freemasonry is big on symbolism, so we give our members things that they must conceal... the famous "secrets". Promising to conceal those things and keeping that promise, is SYMBOLIC of integrity.
So what ARE the secrets? Simple. They are the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked. Yes... that trivial. But.. if any Mason divulges any of those things and is found to do so, he is subject to Masonic discipline, which could lead to him being expelled....as he has promised not to reveal them. Revealing them, means that his word means nothing....and that means he is not a man of integrity.
So you see, the "secrets" are not concealed because they are sinister of Earth-shatteringly important... they are concealed to symbolise a man's integrity.
Please feel free to ask me anything you wish, regarding Freemasonry.
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@Marty Bear Freemasonry requires that only men of integrity can join. A Man with integrity proves such, by being asked to keep a promise. That promise is never to reveal the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked. That's it. The ONLY secrets in Freemasonry are those signs, grips and words. They are a tiny tiny part of the rituals that Freemasons practice. EVERYTHING ELSE is open. I can tell you anything you like about Freemasonry but will not divulge that sign, grip and word. Keeping that promise is symbolic of my integrity as a man.
How can you believe us? The only way I can prove 100% is for you to join and see for yourself. I'm not inviting you to, of course, just stating a fact. But one thing I've noticed here is that there are so many accusations of things we are SUPPOSED to believe and things we are SUPPOSED to have done. EVERY SINGLE TIME, I have asked for evidence of the claims from these people.... nothing. Not one piece of evidence.... and then they go quiet, or change the subject. Every answer I give, is reasonable and logical pointing towards it being accurate and truthful.
So, if you have any questions, please ask and I'll do my best to answer you. It's up to you if you believe me or not.
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@robertmashburn8330 Hi Robert. Glad you are being positive over getting back in to the fold. Please remember though, that Freemasonry is inclusive of all faiths and as Brothers, we all agree that what's really important, is the character and integrity of the Brethren. Your Step-Dad sounds like a fine man and a shining example of Freemasonry. A great role-model to have. I only wish I could have had the same.
If I may, I'd like to address your take on the lady in the video. As you are quite well aware, I am sure, the history and ceremonies of Freemasonry, are open for anyone to study. It is only the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked that we take an obligation to conceal. We don't broadcast the contents of the ceremonies, purely because it would spoil it for any potential Candidates. And to be fair, we really don't care if anyone outside Freemasonry discovers our secrets...as they are completely unimportant...it's the concealing them that is important. Only men of honour are capable of making that promise not to reveal them and keeping their word.
I'd love it if you would keep me in the loop, Robert. So that I may raise a glass to you, when you finally rejoin. That's will be a great day, my Brother!
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@Jay Workman not sure exactly what you are referring to. There is most certainly no sacrifice involved in any Degree of Freemasonry. However, there is a death.
The story of the Third Degree, is of the principal architect of King Solomon's temple, Hiram Abif. When the temple was almost complete, three Fellowcraft workers accosted him and demanded of him, the secrets of a Master Mason. He had promised not to reveal them to those who are not qualified, so did not tell them. They murdered him because he decided to keep his word, his integrity being so important to him. It's symbolic.. allegorical...it never really happened, but it is hoped that the message of the Third Degree is communicated to him, that death holds no terrors for honourable men.
So there you go.. it's a death, but not a sacrifice. And it confers on men the highest Degree there is.. the Sublime Degree of a Master Mason.
More questions? Please feel free to ask.
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@jayworkman747 Not at all, Jay. I'm certain that it goes on. And it is a disgusting business. All involved should be jailed for life. But ask yourself this. If someone wanted to get involved in human trafficking, why would they need to join Freemasonry to do it?
Jay, perhaps I should explain my qualifications for saying what I do. I was initiated in to a Lodge 23 years ago, when I was in the Royal Navy. As a result of my service, I am well travelled and have visited Lodges in 22 countries around the world. I am a Past Master of TWO Lodges and am now a Grand officer of the United Grand Lodge of England. When on an exchange with the USN, where i served for a total of 6 years, I joined the Scottish Rite and in 2018 was invited to the 33rd Degree. I have served on boards and authorities within Freemasonry at the highest levels. I KNOW Freemasonry intimately and can say with hand on heart, Freemasonry does NOT sanction such things and in fact the opposite is true. As men of integrity, we condemn such actions. I'm not saying that all Freemasons are sweetness and light... I'd certainly cross the street to avoid some of them...but the vast, vast majority are.
Now, out of the two of us, who do you think is more likely to know the truth about what you say concerning Freemasonry.
Fine, you can say I'm lying. I cannot prove anything that I have said unless, of course, you were to join, but based on the balance of probability and with the application of common sense, I feel anyone with half a brain cell knows that I am telling the truth. That's good enough for me. so as we have got to the stage where all you are going to do is to call me a liar, I see no point in continuing this exchange. I will no longer reply to your posts. I will let those who view the exchange, judge for themselves, who is telling the truth.
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@tiaanvanwyk101 If you take the phrase in it's loosest sense then "new world order" happen all the time. It means a shift in the organisation of the world or at least a large part of it.Woodrow Wilson, for example, used the phrase near the end of the first world war to indicate a massive change in world politics. He was right. But YOU are coming at it from the conspiracy sense. You are insinuating that people like Freemasons are conspiring together to bring about changes in a 1984 style, of mass containment of the population of the planet, slavery if you will, to serve the "few at the top". It is, at best, fanciful nonsense and at worst a sever case of mental illness.
I have zero idea about the Popes. I was raised as a Roman Catholic but some years ago, I realised that religion is nothing more than claptrap and distanced myself from any religious affiliation whatsoever. So I have zero interest in this Pope or any before.
Please remember that Freemasonry has a policy of ZERO association with religion and politics. And that suits me just fine.
Now, if you are going to go on and on about conspiracy theories, please go and bother someone else with them. If you wish to ask specific questions about Freemasonry, then I'm all ears.
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@tiaanvanwyk101 For a start, Lucifer is not the name of the Devil.. never has been. It was a mistranslation in the bible caused by one of it's many translations...Aramaic to Hebrew.. Hebrew to Greek.. Greek to Latin..Latin to old English and finally old English to English.
But however you slice it.. Lucifer was never ever used correctly for the name of the Devil.
Helena Blavatsky was NOT a Mason, as least not a "Regular" Mason, adhering to the principles and tenets of the United Grand Lodge of England. As a woman, she was automatically prohibited, so anything you have to say about her, is null and void.
I know almost nothing about her...but it seems that you conspiracy theorists will cling on to any old pigswill to support your claims. Here is what I have found out about her via good old Wikipaedia.
"Developing a reliable account of Blavatsky's life has proved difficult for biographers because in later life she deliberately provided contradictory accounts and falsifications about her own past.[4] Further, very few of her own writings authored prior to 1873 survive, meaning that biographers must rely heavily on these unreliable later accounts.[5] The accounts of her early life provided by her family members have also been considered dubious by biographers.[6]"
As you can see, any claims made by her are almost impossible to verify and in all probability have been "embroidered" by the likes of you to substantiate your claims.
Mackey and Pike inhabited a very different world than the one we find ourselves in today. For example, slavery was a very common thing and was looked upon as quite normal. We would be horrified at the practice if it started up again today! Well, I and most civilised people, anyway. The fact that their time was very different, this will colour their thoughts and opinions.
Mackey and Pike did NOT write the rules and regulations of freemasonry. The works they produced were their own take on Freemasonry...in the world in which they lived. We don't tell anyone what to think...but we do provide food for thought. If I could be bothered to read Mackeys works, doubtless, I would agree with most of them... but I am certain I would disagree with some of them.
As I have already stated, Freemasonry is very open to interpretation, but generally it is interpreted by reasonable men in such a way as to improve a man and his relationship with the outside world....his location, his family.. his job. I believe the same to be true of the men you mentioned.
Again you make broad claims... the tool of the conspiracy theorist for decades... "everything Walter has said has come true". What things? Please name the things that Walter has said, relevant to Freemasonry, that have come true. You also make the same claims about the Bible. Please be SPECIFIC and do not generalise. Please state what relevance it has to Freemasonry. I say again and again and again Freemasonry has NOTHING to do with religion.
I feel that no matter what I say, no matter how reasonable I am, you will just go around and around in circles. you will not accept anything I say. If you are pre-programmed to think I lie about everything, why do you bother to ask questions?
Through religious dogma, you appear to have lost the ability to think rationally. When you regain that ability, come back to me.
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@jett888 Many women know a lot about Freemasonry.
To explain, since it's inception Freemasonry has been men only. It is thought to be based on the activities of operative stonemasons of the middle ages. Naturally, with stonemasonry being such a heavy arduous job, no woman ever worked as one in ancient times. So when the speculative Freemasons were formed, that was one of the stipulations. Also, in those days, it was only the men that had control over any wealth!
However, nowadays there are female only Lodges. They are not officially recognised by "Regular" Freemasonry...however, they wear almost the same regalia, do almost identical riotuals and have the same aims and principles... but like oil and water.. they do not mix. That said, we do have a great relationship with them and them with us.
Almost nothing in Freemasonry is secret (contrary to popular, but ill-advised opinion) and can be discussed and studied by anyone, female or not. In fact, my wife is an excellent ritualist.... why? Not because she's a lady Mason, but because she helps me to learn it! So there's no problem whatsoever with the lady in the film knowing as much as she does.
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@vasari corridor It's important to realise that Freemasonry in England is the oldest and has existed for centuries. The United Grand Lodge of England is the worlds oldest. Since it's existence, a set of principles and tenets have been in place and Freemasonry in this country has run on those principles and tenets ever since. If another country or state wishes to be regarded as the real deal ie "Regular" it must adhere to them. In bygone days there have been a multitude of organisations that have operated a "Masonic".. but do NOT adhere to them..and so cannot be called Freemasonry. For example, in our "Charge to the Initiate", it is stated that a Freemason must abide by the laws of any country he finds himself in. It is also stated that he must not be involved in any plots or conspiracies against government and also to pay due obedience to the civil magistrate. These other "Masonic" organisations (we refer to them as "pseudo-Masonic") do not have such requirements. The general public do not know the difference and as such such, bunch us all together. Consequently, we are blamed for everything from Adam and Eve's slight transgression to the possibility of World War 3!
Yes, some Freemasons were among the first movers and shakers in the USA and it was LOOSELY born in line with Masonic principles. I am certain that the Presidents that were in office who were also Freemasons always applied those principles as far as they were able. Not through any loyalty to any Lodge... but because morally they are the right things to do. It may surprise you to know that only 14 Presidents of the USA have been Freemasons. the first was George Washington and the last, Gerald Ford. Perhaps if more had been Freemasons, America would have been a better country.
The Catholic Church is all about the numbers. Freemasons have a policy of believing what they wish when it comes to who or what created the universe... we have members from every religion under the sun. We do NOT allow any discussion of religion or politics at our meetings. Perhaps because we are not allowed to promote Catholicism, they don't like us. It certainly cannot be because we "wage war against God and the Church" because God is not an issue in Freemasonry. I can verify, that as a secular society, no religious worship of any kind takes place... so to say we are incompatible with Christianity, is a complete fallacy.
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@Phark Dysics first of all.. cool name! I like that! Now then, I'd be interested to know what you con sider to be the definition of the "New World Order" is. So many people go on about it and don't really know what on Earth they are talking about. If you mean unknown shenanigans, governments doing "sneaky beakey" stuff, others trying to get a barely legal "leg up" on the financial ladder and general underhandedness....then you're right...it's not a "new" world order. It's been going on since organised society began... much further back then when it is thought Freemasonry began in the 11th century.
You don't know our secrets? Well to be fair, they aren't really secrets.. we just call them that because of the obligation we take that you won't get them from us and that is just a symbol of our integrity to never break a promise. You can get them anywhere on the internet and in libraries (remember them?) and they are simply the signs, grips and words of the Degrees being worked. Nothing more. They are never ever used outside the Lodge room because they are only relevant when performing the ceremonies. Other than the "secrets" I, and ANY Freemason can tell you exactly what goes on at our meetings. Most people would find it very boring, but it works for us.
Control? LMAO!.. WHAT control? My friend, we can't even decide what dessert to have after our meetings! You think we can control gigantic corporations? Currency valuations? Governments? No, mate.. genuinely.. honestly.. openly...I promise you that your suspicions are 100% completely without substance.
Now, you can believe me if you wish, that is, of course, up to you. But please do not continue in your misguided tirade. Reasonable people reading it will think you have flipped your lid.
I am more than happy to answer any questions you may have, either here or at my email, therealist1964@yahoo.com I always offer this in my posts, but very few take me up on it. That just goes to show that so many people have NOTHING to back up their ridiculous claims and/or do not wish to be corrected/educated. So many people, reading ridiculkous conspiracy theories either here or elsewhere on the net are duped.. and not in a small way by the famous Le Taxil hoax! It is far easier to be duped than it is to ADMIT you have been duped.
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savage dressing Then explain what a "secret" is. Please tell me what secret... has it's own website? Tells you all about itself. Publishes a magazine that ANYONE can buy?
I use the word "we" because we are all Brethren. I've already explained that we have no Master (as you understand it) as, in Freemasonry, we are all equal.
Yes we have secrets. But people who are ill informed, such as you, think EVERYTHING in Freemasonry is a secret, when the opposite is true. The ONLY secrets in Freemasonry are the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked. All else can be discussed with non-Masons. So.. YOU have more secrets than we do. Here's a few examples. The alarm code for your home, your tax details, your employment details, your medical records, your ATM PIN, what you discuss with your other half at intimate moments....there's 6 examples, just off the top of my head.
No true Mason will say we are a secret society. Some people SAY they are Masons...or were...but weren't, in an effort to discredit us.
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@astrokidtre money you misunderstand completely.
It has nothing to do with "intellect" in that a Mason does not have to be considered an "intellectual".
Most Masons are just ordinary people. Not especially clever, but then not stupid either.
We don't wear uniforms as per the armed forces, simply a dark lounge suit and an apron which serves to identify the rank or the job of the individual inside the Lodge.
There are no "false Gods" or real ones either come to think of it. What you will see inside a Lodge is a rectangular room. In the West, you will enter through a doorway between two columns. In the East, West and South, you will see a Chair and a candle. This is where will be seated the worshipful Master, the senior Warden and the Junior Warden. In American Lodges, in the centre you will see an "altar" on which is placed what we refer to as the volume of the sacred law, which is the generic term for whatever holy book is pertinent to the members of the Lodge. In an English Lodge, you would see a Tracing Board and this is a board with some decoration on it depending on what degree is being worked.
The letter G will hang from the ceiling or will be above the Masters chair. What this means, is up to the individual Mason... it could stand for God or Gnosis or all manner of things.
On the Junior Wardens pedestals will be a column each, usually around 18 inches high, but can be bigger or smaller. On the top of the columns is a model of the terrestrial globe or the celestial globe.
The floor in the centre is black and white chequered and represents moving from ignorance to knowledge, no matter what that knowledge may be. It may be Masonic knowledge or academic.. again what it means is open to the individual Mason.
We do not seek "blessings" of any kind, other than those from whatever God the individual Mason believes in and it is on whatever we are about to do... that we may do it well and for the benefit of all concerned. We do not make reference to any religion in particular, because to do that, would exclude those who do not share that religion...and that's not what we are about... we are an inclusive organisation and believe that great things can be achieved by this.
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@HeavensLuv I'll now state WHY it is impossible for a Mason to be a Satanist.
When a man is first interviewed to join Freemasonry, the FIRST question he MUST be asked is "do you have a belief in a supreme being that created the universe!"? If he answers yes, the interview continues. If he answers no, he is thanked for his time and it is explained to him that the interview has concluded. His application will not be taken any further.
Members of Freemasonry MUST have in their life, a supreme being, responsible for the creation of the universe. Satan did not create the universe and not even Satanists believe he did.
Ok another scenario. A Satanist applies to join and when asked the first question, he LIES and says he DOES believe in that supreme being that created the universe. From then on, even if he is Initiated... he will never actually BE a Freemason. It's like a guy driving a car who has never taken a driving test in his life. a cop asks him if he is qualified to drive "oh yeah, sure I am".......... he's not a qualified driver, no matter what he says.
What qualifies me to say this? I am a Freemason and have been for nearly 25 years. I am a Grand Officer of the United Grand Lodge of England and am a Past Master of TWO Lodges....soon to be THREE. I worked in the USA for many years and joined the Scottish Rite, being invited to the 33rd Degree in 2018.
I am well qualified to say what I do.
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@evanssamuelbiju4315 We meet to discuss some financial transactions, like applications for Masonic charity, but a lot of the routine payments are decided by the Treasurer.
The truth is that some men, DO reveal the secrets. If they are caught, they are expelled, with no chance of readmission. Every Mason takes an obligation not to reveal them, as a symbolic gesture of his integrity. If he breaks his word, we don't want him as a member.
Why do we never hear of it? It's because the "secrets" are completely unimportant outside Freemasonry. It's not like something massively important has been revealed. They consist of the sign, grip and word of the Degree....they aren't worth reporting. Now, if a secret was, say, how to run your house on a teaspoon of water yes anyone finding that out would broadcast it to the world...but as I say...the secrets WE have are, to non-Masons, pretty lame.
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@old_redlk3319 It's purely a traditional thing, from two aspects.
Some say we stem from the guilds of stonemasons of the middle ages. Naturally, in those days, there was no machinery or power tools, so only men were strong enough to work the stone. There were no women stonemasons back then.
Another viewpoint, is that speculative Masonry...the kind I'm in now...emerged from the idea of the guilds....probably around the early 17th century, men were the boss and women looked after the home and children. Either way, things are very different now, but that tradition continues.
That said, although we do not OFFICIALLY recognise them, there are two splendid Grand Lodges for ladies in England. Thr Order of Women Freemasons and The Honourable Fraternity of Ancient Freemasons. They wear the same regalia, do the same ceremonies and have, broadly speaking, the same aims and principles. We have an excellent working relationship with them and in fact there are many couples who are both Masons.
There are ladies Lodges, of varying description all over the world...but they are not "official" Masons.
For what it's worth, if there ever arose a proposal to allow ladies to join OUR Lodges, I'd be very much in favour.
I hope I have answered your question adequately. If you have others, please feel free to ask
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@Alf Norg As you are, clearly, not a Freemason and the esoteric is hidden from those of the Blue Lodge, how do YOU know about all the claims you make? If you can can read M&D and arrive at the conclusions you did... any Freemason of the Blue Lodge could do the same. So it would have been rather silly for Pike to write that book and to tell them that they were being lied to. You claim makes no sense.
Once again, we find someone who has heard a tale or two and passed it off as his own, pontificating about thing of which he has zero knowledge.
As a Mason who has been invited to the 33rd Degree for some time now, I can categorically state that you are incorrect in everything you have said.
Morals and Dogma is so badly put together by Pike. In those days they used archaic language that today can be easily misinterpreted... and in fact the language he used then was considered archaic at the time! Did you know, he only wrote half of it? The rest was borrowed from other works. And the foreword! The foreword, written by Pikes bosses in the Southern Jurisdiction said, and I quote, "It would have been better if he had borrowed more and written less". Hardly a glowing reference!
Any person that wants to know about Freemasonry, especially Freemasonry of today, should ignore that book. It's relevance is only to Masonic historians etc. They should ask a Freemason of today.
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@Kingston.777 Worship who? There is no worship of anyone or anything in Freemasonry. Think for yourself. And when it comes to quoting Pike, make sure YOU have PERSIONALLY READ that of which you speak. Read it properly. So many on here, make claims about Pike that they have only ever heard other people make and those that have read Pike, completely misinterpret him.
There are a fair few that take "quotes" from Pike that are taken completely out of context, too. Further advice... don't even consider Pike. Unless you are a Scottish Rite Mason, you will understand very little of what is written in that darn book.
Did you know that Pike only wrote HALF of what appears in Morals and Dogma? The rest he "borrowed" from other sources. The book is THAT BAD, that when asked to write the foreword, Pikes colleagues at the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction wrote, "it would have been better if he had written less and borrowed more". They also made it clear that all Masons are free to take it all on board...or some of it...or none of it, such is the complete and utter unimportance of the material therein.
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@KurtG85 Any favour given to, or expected by a Mason is against the rules. I'm not saying it does not happen, that would be ridiculous. Howeve, anyone doing it, is subject to Masonic discipline, which can lead to being expelled for life.
The first time I was Master of a Lodge, a man who had been recently Initiated was seen to be passing business cards around. I asked my director of Ceremonies to explain the rules to him, expecting him to cease. We cut him some slack, because he was new. The following month, I saw him doing it again. This time, I spoke to him personally. I told hi.m it was not tolerated and if he was founf doing it again, we would be forced to take formal action. We never saw him again. No great loss.
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@Peace7... Good morning. Please forgive the lateness of the response. I have only just come across your post and never get a notification of it.
For the record, I ALWAYS answer honestly!
Society, is the collective name for the population of a nation and it's effect on it. As Freemasonry is a worldwide fraternity, let's take the world population to mean "society". That number is approximately 7.7 billion people....compared to around 6 million Freemasons. This works out to around 0.075% of society being Freemasons.
We cannot work miracles! Due to the small percentage, the effect of Freemasonry is felt at a more local level. In some cases, down to the individual. For example, myself and the Brethren of my Lodge, refurbished an entire kids playground, which had been closed for months due to our local authority not having the cash to do so, because we financed the project and did the work ourselves. when it was complete, we had the council safety officer sign it off as safe and the local kids can play again. That's the wort of thing we do. Now, us refurbishing a kids playground in England isn't going to be felt in the Stares, is it?
We also support national and international charities, such as the Red Cross and Medicines Sans Frontiers. There, we are contributing to the end result along with others.
In small ways we do change society for the better.
If you mean what involvement do we have in politics, finance, commerce etc., the answer is zero. We always vow never to use our Freemasonry for personal gain or underhanded tactics. To do such things would render the Masons involved liable to expulsion.
I hope this helps. If you have more questions (and please try to be a little more specific), please feel free.
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@Alien Nobody knows for sure where Freemasonry began. There are lots of theories, but nothing conclusive.
It is THOUGHT that the stonemasons of medieval times formed guilds... self help groups tat worked to certain codes of ethics. It developed in to a philanthropic society which cared for the wider population. These were operative Masons.. the guts that actually did the stonework. After a time, in England, gentlemen with money became Speculative Masons"... ie they did the philanthropy stuff but not the actual stone cutting. They adopted the philosophy that man should care for those who are not able to care for themselves until such time as they could. they behaved to a high moral standard, not settling for second best.. doing what was right.
The first RECORDED making of a Mason (although Freemasonry is thought to have existed in this form for centuries before) was in 1646 at Warrington, a small town in the North West of England. Elias Ashmole was the Candidate and he recorded his Initiation (or, "First Degree") in his diary. You may have heard of the Ashmolean Museum at Oxford University? He was the founder.
Today, that philosophy continues. Men give their own money and their time to help others and to develop themelves in to better men.
To join, you need to have a belief in some sort of benevolent Supreme Being but do not have to follow any particular religion, be of the right age.. usually 21 but that can vary, depending on what Constitution you join....have no criminal convictions, be able to afford it.. and have the support of your partner, if you have one.
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@revdavemapes Absolute nonsense. Why? We have no deity of our own, no sacraments, no clergy and no promise of salvation.
Let's look at your post and why the elements of it are wrong.
Religious books. A court, a council, a military training base...all have religious books. Are THEY religious orders? Of course not. The Holy Bible MUST be present at all Masonic meetings, as a nod to our supposed beginnings, where the men there took their morality (and Freemasons prize morality highly) from the Holy Bible.
Oaths of commitment. Again, I'll cite the court, the council and training base. And of course, a civil wedding ceremony... all include oaths of commitment. Again, not religious. We take an oath, not to reveal the traditional modes of recognition and keeping that oath is a symbol of integrity and trustworthiness.
Funeral rites. These are an addition to a traditional funeral service and are carried out only with the permission of the family. These are usually carried out in the USA and almost nowhere else.
"Clestial Lodge" is simply a bit of a tongue in cheek reference to ther afterlife. it has no bearing in Regular Freemasonry, whatsoever.
Your post holds absolutely no water.
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@michaelmccaffrey2731 Nobody in Freemasonry is asked or required to serve anyone but their own deity. Obviously for Christians, it is God. So all this serving two masters...does not apply.
No Freemason seeks to publicise the good works we do to the public, it's kept very much "in house" and always has been. Often, the events that we attend and assist have non-Masons there too, and it is their choice to publicise as they wish. We have no power to do otherwise. I congratulate YOU on your charitable nature. There should be more like you.
Now the "oath" thing. There we must disagree. If you think about it, armed forces personnel, police officers, doctors, surgeons and all manner of professional people take oaths. Are you saying that you'd never ever require the services of a surgeon if you need it, just because he or she took an oath? If your country is being invaded and you had the power to stop the armed forces from defending your country because they took an oath.. would you? And...would you denigrate your parents (or perhaps even yourself) because of MARRIAGE? Every married couple has taken an oath. I think this might be one area in which the Holy Bible may need to be update, or at least not taken TOO literally.
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@lobobaltazar1322 Good evening.
There is NO connection to world power. We distance ourselves from anything that could be connected, to politics, religion, commerce, world affairs etc.
There are approximately 6.5 million Freemasons over the globe.
Freemasonry is not a religious organisation. All discussion of religion (and politics!) is forbidden at meetings, but Masons are encouraged to follow their own religion outside the Lodge.
Our ceremonies are geared to make a man learn lessons in life, about the world, himself, his relationship with others etc. No part of the ceremonies are anything like you suggested.
We have NO power whatsoever in world affairs, or even local affairs for that matter.
I have no idea about other groups that may wield power, but I do know there are many many conspiracy theories that feature such groups.. So I'd tend to disbelieve they exist at all.
We have no more knowledge about the creation of the world than anyone else.
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@Soul_N_Control Hi Christina. Hmm.... ok... I'm guessing there is some problem as to why hubby isn't being consulted on this... so I'll play along.
Some Lodges give their Christian members a bible. Sometimes after their first Degree and sometimes after the Third. And their Muslim members receive a Koran, Jewish Brethren, a Talmud, etc etc. It is not a Masonic practice, the world over. Freemasonry acknowledges that the holy books of each religion are, generally, a guide to good morality and relies on the individual Mason to interpret the writings in a positive manner. We even have it as part of our ritual. Here it is.
"As a Freemason, let me recommend to your most serious contemplation, the volume of the sacred law (that's a phrase we use to represent anyone's own holy book) charging you to consider it, as the unerring standard of truth and justice and to regulate your life and actions by the divine precepts it contains...."
So as you see, we ACKNOWLEDGE each mans religious beliefs and encourage him to be active in his faith, but we do not teach religion nor confer any worship. You might as well ask why do Presidents of the USA, witnesses in a trial, service men and women take their obligation on a holy book.
"Jahbulon". Years ago a man named Leo Taxil put on a massive hoax, that Freemasons were the scum of the Earth, Devil worshippers, evil... and it was his intention to sucker in the church.. (he had a major problem with the church) to agreeing with him.. saying that they knew all he said was true. the trouble is... it wasn't He exposed them for the frauds they were...and they didn't like it! One of the "gods" of Freemasonry was supposed to be this "Jahbulon" figure. Here's the Wikipedia page that explains it a lot better than me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax
Freemasonry as a body, doesn't worship any god. Freemasonry is not for that. As I have already explained, we are not a religious society.. we don't have our own particular Masonic god. Each Mason MUST have a belief in some sort of supreme being that created the universe. but the identity of that god is left up to him. He must maintain that belief to remain a Mason and no other religious beliefs are required.
Many years ago, a prominent Freemason, Albert Pike, wrote a book called "Morals and Dogma". There is one particular passage, that conspiracy loonies jump on allll the time and they ALLLLL misquote it...I'm sure most of them do it on purpose. He references the word "Lucifer". Lucifer is the Latin name for the planet Venus. The planet Venus is most visible just above where the sun rises.. it "brings the light". Pike was arguing that "Lucifer" literally meaning "Light Bringer", is NOT the name of the Devil or Satan.. as he is known as the Prince of Darkness. Why wold you call the Prince of Darkness a name that means light bringer? It's so stupid, it cannot be right. BTW, the word "Lucifer" is NOT used in Freemasonry at all. This video explains the misnaming of Lucifer far better than I could.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc47JDmpWt0
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@Palmina D'Alessandro Good morning, Palmina.
First, let me express my sympathies to you with regard to your dental problems. That is real pain and I hope you get some relief soon.
I am happy to answer any questions you may have. I am a Grand officer of the United Grand Lodge of England and have been a Mason for nearly 25 years now.
Why are there so many independent Grand Lodges? It is the ethos of Freemasonry that every man may do as he wishes within the constraints of morality and the law of the land. However, the huge size of the planet makes one massive Grand Lodge impossible. As long as a Grand lodge in another country, or a state of the USA, keeps the ancient landmarks, it may practice Freemasonry. See it as a "franchise" of sorts.
You are incorrect to say we cannot visit other Lodges. We can and it is a wonderful thing, too! I was Initiated in to the English Constitution. Through my work, I have visited 22 countries around the world and have visited Lodges in all of them. I even became a member of the Scottish Rite (chiefly only meeting in the United States) after joining several American Lodges.
You are most certainly NOT out of line for asking questions. Despite what you may have heard, we welcome questions about our order. We are absolutely fed up with all the sully rumours and gossip about us and answering any questions that non-members have, will go some way to stopping all that.
Please feel free to ask me ANYTHING about Freemasonry.
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@MrsLockenload Yes Heaven Bound, you say "Great Architect of the Universe" could mean anything... any god that the individual Mason believes is the Supreme Ruler of all, proving that we don;t tell people what to think.. we let them make up their own mind when it comes to most things in Freemasonry. But I'm glad you brought up the Devil.
It is impossible for anyone who regards the Devil as the Supreme Being to be a Mason, because in order to become a Mason, one makes certain promises. These promises contain caveats which prohibit any Diabolist from becoming a Freemason. But in any case, it would be impossible that a Diabolist would even get to the stage where he would be making any such promise.
To be Initiated in to Freemasonry, a man has to be Interviewed by the Lodge Committee in order to find out more about him. If he get's through that, he is formally proposed and seconded by two members of the Lodge. Members know the ethos of Freemasonry and that it exists for the good of the community and society as a whole and therefore would NOT propose such a person. In order to be Initiated, the Candidate is asked on what holy book he would like to take his obligation (nobody ever asks what religion he is) so if the Candidate selects a work which is known to be Satanic.... the Candidate would be rejected. So there you are. There are 3 levels of protection to make sure we do not Initiate Diabolists.
You say the Devil lies. Ok, if the Diabolist comes along and lies by saying he is a Christian, for example and goes on to be Initiated, by taking his obligation on the Holy Bible, the fact that he has lied about his motives and his beliefs negates the promise and therefore he would NOT be a Mason. Think about it in this way. A witness in a trial takes his oath on a Holy Bible. He then goes on to lie about his evidence. That negates the oath he took and therefore the evidence he gives is invalid. In the same way, the Diabolists membership of Freemasonry is invalid.
In any case, there is nothing in Freemasonry that would interest a Diabolist. Freemasonry is not a religion. It exists to for good...to make good men better and to serve the community and the world as a whole. Why WOULD a Diabolist want to join?
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@ValLeeWeblog Hello Val, please be assured I did not consider you a feminist and I did understand your point.
But you seem to be of the opinion that Freemasonry is a religious organisation (probably because of the condition that a member must have a belief in a god of some sort) and I can assure you that it is not. Other than a prayer at the start and end of a meeting, in the hope that we are guided by god's will and to thank him for our association, there is NO religious activity at a meeting. We are emphatically NOT a religion nor a replacement for one. If Freemasonry WERE a religion, I would not have joined.
I'd also like to assure you that we are far from a "secret society". Have you ever visited Freemasons Hall in London? Anyone can visit and be taken on a tour of the place. Hardly the actions of a secret society!
And secrets. Well if you knew the secrets, you'd say "is that it?". The CONTENTS of the secret are largely unimportant. It;s the ability to keep a secret that's important.. and that's merely a symbol of our integrity.
I would say the majority of Freemasons are Christian. Certainly the majority of those that I have met after over 20 years as a Mason, all over the world are.
I don't know a great deal about Mormonism and Smith, we don't have it in England (where I live) so can't really comment on them. However, I will say that Freemasonry is a system of morality, an allegorical society. If a man takes these allegories and interprets them in a vastly different way to the rest of us.. well who are we to say he cannot? A man can interpret what he sees in any way he likes.. if we were to say he was wrong, that would undermine the whole ethos of Freemasonry.. that each man is free to do as he pleases (within the legal and moral framework required of a decent society) and that each man is worthy of the same respect as any other. We CANNOT dictate what people do. A wise man once said this:-
"When the first link, the chain is forged; the first speech censured; the first thought forbidden; the first freedom denied....it chains us all irrevocably".
Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie. NOT a Freemason (as far as I know!)
Thank you for your response. You seem like a good lady. You seem reasonable, but you are, sadly misinformed about the society I joined over 20 years ago and which, I hope, has made me a better man.
I am more than happy to answer ANY questions you may have regarding Freemasonry in here. But if you would prefer to do so in private, my email is therealist1964@yahoo.com
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@God Exists Hi god Exists and thanks for the response to my post.
The thing about Freemasonry is that for a long time it was it's own worst enemy. For centuries, Freemasonry was as well known as the Superbowl, the Football (soccer) World Cup or even Donald Trump! Then the thirties came along.. and with it came Naziism.... and Hitler.
Hitler, like others, feared Freemasonry because he was ignorant of it and did not understand it...and murdered countless Freemasons..he treated them the same way as Jews, Romany's etc etc.. As a result, Freemasonry went "underground" and meetings were held where the Nazi's could not find them.
After the allied victory, Freemasonry, generally speaking, failed to re-emerge. We were not as open as we had been before the war. No Mason has ever been told that he cannot reveal his membership. It has always been left up to the individual, but since the 1980's, in England at least, there has been a positive policy of openness. It is still up to the individual if he wishes to let people know he is a Mason, but now he is ENCOURAGED to do so. Some men still like to keep it to themselves as there still remains suspicion (entirely misplaced) and this could come from his boss, or some other person with influence on his life.
"Ex-Masons" normally come in a variety of categories:-
1. A man who SAYS he was a Mason but "left" when he never was a Mason at all, but wants people to think he managed to get in, in order to increase his status.
2. A man who WAS a Mason but has been kicked out for whatever reason and of course harbours bad feeling.
3. A man who APPLIED to join but was rejected. Same thing.. harbours bad feeling.
4. A man who was a Mason and has not fully understood what was going on (it requires a certain level of intelligence) and then "got religion" and listened to some religious zealot or other who has made him think Freemasonry is on some way bad or evil.
Ok, the next bugbear of mine. So many people think that Pike was the granddaddy of us all. Wrong. Pike was a Mason of the 19th century. He was a big fish in a small pond. Outside the Southern Jurisdiction, hardly anyone had heard of him. so many people think he was the boss of Freemasonry. Nothing could be further from the truth. He had ZERO influence outside the SJ, let alone the rest of the world!
He was responsible for producing "Morals and Dogma" (M&D) and you'll notice I never said he "wrote" it... because he didn't. He stole a lot of it from other publications and it is chiefly about comparative religions, which was a particular interest of Pike's. There is very little in it which is actually about Freemasonry. In fact, his bosses at the SJ said in the foreword to the book "it would have been better if he had written more and borrowed less". SO many people "quote" from it (lol!) about "Lucifer being our God" but they actually MISquote it because it is so darn difficult to read...such is his writing style.
Pike was never a spokesman for Freemasonry (such a man could not exist) nor is M&D regarded as a Masonic "handbook". He was an OLD man when he wrote it.. in a very different time and in very different social conditions... as such it CANNOT be compared to todays Freemasonry. For example, Pike had slaves...in that time it was perfectly ok to have slaves and nobody batted an eyelid...it was an acepted practice. Today that practice is considered outdated, cruel and is of course illegal. See how things change?
There is VERY little in Freemasonry which can be considered "secret". The ONLY things in Freemasonry are the modes of recognition which consist of a sign, a grip and a word for each degree. they originate (probably) from the signs, grips and words given by stonemasons to communicate their skill level and naturally they would keep those things secret.. otherwise any unqualified stonemason would be getting paid a rate for which he was not deserving. Don't forget, in those days, they were all illiterate.. there was no such things as paper qualifications.
And these things are freely available on the internet for all to see.. they are not earth-shattering or mystical.. they are in fact.. quite innoccuous. I have made a promise NOT to reveal them.. simply as a test of my integrity.. that I am a man of my word.
So I hope I have answered your questions. If you have more, please get back to me.
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@God Exists hi God(wow..something I feel uncomfortable saying!) Not a revelation, because as I explained, it is very badly written (by others as well as Pike.. don't forget a lot of it was largely plagiarised!) because it is largely NOT about Freemasonry.... but that's the part that people always fixate on..as I stated, it's mainly about comparative religions, which Pike would have written about regardless of his membership of Freemasonry...it was a particular interest of his.
Ask yourself this. Why would Pike, a 33rd Degree Mason, obviously a very important part of his life... compile a book DECRYING Freemasonry.. and making out that we worshipped Satan?.. It makes no sense. And that's because he DIDN'T.
You say you KNOW these things... but, sadly, you have (largely) fallen prey to the tricksters,pranksters and hoaxers that plague our order. Why, know not. They just enjoy being silly. I'll take them one at a time.
Nimrod. Not involved in Craft Freemasonry at all. Made up by those who SAY they are high-ranking Freemasons.
Hiram Abiff, the Widows Son is the central character in Craft Freemasonry. He is just allegorical and never really existed. The story of Hiram is an allegory for faithfulness, integrity, moral uprightness etc.
Abbadon, never heard of him/her/it. Do you mean Adonay? See Le Taxil hoax.
Lucifer, Light Bearer, the alternative name given to the planet Venus (which heralds the sun in the morning and in the evening.. the sun is important to us) and NOT the bad guy in the Old Testament. It's like having two guys called Bob. Ones a bad guy, and the other is a good guy. They just share a name. Light bearer.. referring to the light of the sun.
Death oaths, again misunderstood. In the various degrees, it is explained that in ancient times, a set of punishments including death and disembowelling could be meted out by King Soomon to anyone who disobeyed the law. It is ALSO explained that these punishments are symbolic in Freemasonry and are no longer included. The conspiracy theorists love to tell you the first bit, about the disembowelling etc..but conveniently forget to tell you the second bit about them no longer applying! We call it being "economical with the truth". To kill someone is illegal. Masons have to obey the law first and their Masonic obligations second.
There is no official Masonic Bible. The Bible often used in a Masonic Lodge is the same as any other Bible. Some "masonic" bibles are printed by some companies to make a little cash and some Lodges...misguidedly.... use them. It is incredible the amount of ignorance of Masonic procedure, principles and tenets among some Masons. There is SOME discussion regarding Egyptian deities and there is some research to say there is an element of Egyptian in Masonic lore, but it is still being researched. Without written records, it is very difficult to say with any degree of accuracy where such things lie.
Jahbulon. The product of an elaborate hoax from a gentleman called Leo Taxil. There is NO such character in Freemasonry. There IS a word, used in the Royal Arch Degree which Jahbulon is mistaken for...but it is NOT Jahbulon. Some also confuse the Light Bearer with what was written in M&D.
Here's the link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax
Again, I hope I have answered your questions.
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@n T This is simply a tradition. It is largely thought that Freemasonry evolved from the stonemason guilds of the middle ages. Those were ALL men as they were physically more able to handle the heavy work that women simply cannot do.
There exists in various places around the world where women ARE Masons. There are women's grand Lodges where they wear almost identical regalia, have almost exactly the same aims etc etc. However, they are not officially recognised... they are not what is called "Regular". However, relations between the ladies and are us are absolutely fine. And I have it from a lady Mason.. they wouldn't WANT to join male masonry anyway! They are perfectly happy doing what they are doing. In fact one of my Masonic friends own wife is a Lady Mason! He goes to her social functions and she goes to his!
There are plenty of "minorities" in Freemasonry. If you look at the Grand Lodge of India, for example, you will find that there are a huge amount of black Masons compared to white. On the whole, lodges reflect the predominant colour/race/creed of their location.
In English Freemasonry, we have a meal after our meeting and it is called the festive board. At the end of THAT, we have one final toast... the Tylers toast. One line in this toast is "...we praise each Brother, fair or dark who bears no moral stain"... this indicates, we really don't care what colour a man is... it's his morality that is most important!
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@College Days We have a formal opening of the Lodge. The minutes of the last meeting are confirmed (or altered as appropriate) and signed.
The business of the evening then takes place. This may be a Degree ceremony, or a lecture. There may be a visiting Brother with some special instruction, say the way our charities work and how to set up a local charity hub. There may be some visiting Lodge who may put on some sort of display. Two years, we had a visiting Lodge of Native Americans showing us how THEY carry out Initiations, for example.
We then come to the communications of the Lodge. This is where the Lodge deals with requests for charitable help, ongoing reports from existing charitable efforts, communications from other Masonic bodies, news on any Brother or a Lodge widow who may be unwell or having problems, reports on the Lodge accounts, invitations to other Lodges for various events that they may have.
Then there is a collection for charity.
Then we have "any other business" where the Brethren may bring to the attention of the Lodge, anything they should be aware of, or to ask questions of any nature.
Then there Lodge is formally closed and we all gather together in the next room for our "festive board" which is a formal banquet where formal toasts and wine-takings are carried out, a song or two may be sung and we have speeches from the relevant Brethren.
Then we go home.
At my two Lodges, we start at 6.30 in the evening and we are usually on our way home by around 10pm. Some Lodges meet during the day. Most Lodges meet once per month for 7 or so months of the year, with Committee meetings before each Regular meeting, normally interspersed by 2 weeks or so.
I hope this helps.
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It's a legal requirement of being a part of the UN. It was a UN requirement to spend 0.7% of GDP. It is now based in UK law.
0.7% is the UN’s target for all developed countries and has been since 1970.
In principle the UK government has been signed up to the target since 1974 but it only achieved it for the first time in 2013!
About 15% goes as humanitarian aid, or crisis relief, with the rest focused on strategic or long-term goals.
36% of the money goes via multilateral organisations, like the United Nations. The other 64% goes to programmes in specific countries as bilateral aid.
The five biggest recipients of bilateral aid are Pakistan, Syria, Ethiopia, Nigeria and Afghanistan. When it comes to continents, significantly more gets spent in Africa (51%) and Asia (42%) than anywhere else.
Only five other countries hit the UN’s 0.7% target for development spending in 2016
Norway (1.1%) Luxembourg (1%) Sweden (0.9%), Denmark (0.75%), then the UK.
Of our other European neighbours, France (0.4%), Germany (0.7%), Switzerland ( 0.55%).....but the USA gives only 1.5%!
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@janetcummins2048 Hi Janet, please accept my apologies. I did not get over what I wanted to because of a pressing engagement. I should have devoted more time to my answer.
It is a requirement for membership that a Mason believes there is just ONE creator of the Universe. Masons of different beliefs all believe that THEIR God and THEIR God alone exists and is responsible for the creation of the universe. For example, If you have a Christian Mason and a Muslim Mason sat next to each other in a Lodge, the Christian Mason believes in God. He does NOT believe that Allah exists. However, he respects that every man may believe what he wishes and does not let that difference drive a wedge between them. The reverse is true. The Muslim Mason believes that Allah is the only God there is and is creator of all things and does not believe a Christian God exists.. but respects the right of the Christian Mason to believe what he wants to believe.
So to recap, Masons all believe as you do. They believe there is but one God and it is up to the individual, which one he believes in. We do not let religious differences separate us. No religious or political discussion is allowed when we meet in a Lodge, as those two subjects are the ones which cause the most strife in the world. Think about it. Can you name a war where politics or religion has not been the driving force? We are about unity and friendship.. not division and hatred.
I have travelled to 22 countries around the world visiting Lodges, mainly as a result of my service in the Royal Navy. I have sat in Lodges where Catholic and Protestant met as friends... where Sunni and Shia broke bread together... where Arab and Jew laughed together as friends and as equals. Religion and politics plays NO part in Freemasonry for that very purpose. Now that has GOT to be a good thing! We believe a man should practice whatever religion he chooses, but at the place he chooses to worship, whether that be in a church, a synagogue or a mosque.
I hope this has made more sense to you than my last post, for which I apologise again. If you'd like to discuss more, or have questions, please do so. We're extremely open and are more than happy to talk about it. If you prefer, you can email me at therealist1964@yahoo.com
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@Anne Taylor I'm surprised at this. If a man applies to join us (in England anyway) one of the processes he has to go through is for a couple of Past Masters to visit him and his significant other at their home, or at a place of their choosing. The reason for this isn't to "check up" on them, it's to make sure that the significant other is happy and to give them a chance to ask any questions that THEY might have. It is imperative for us to know that the other half is happy for him to be attending his Lodge and also to make sure that the financial commitment to Freemasonry is known to her and to make sure she is happy with that. The last thing we want to happen is for Freemasonry to cause any sort of problems in the family. In Freemasonry, we believe that the pecking order is:-
1. Family.
2. Job.
3. Freemasonry.
So if anything family, or work wise, prevents a man from attending his Lodge, then we say he should tend to those things before he thinks of his Lodge. We even have a toast to "absent brethren" at our meal after the meeting, because we fully accept that a man has other responsibilities that are more important than Freemasonry. We would like to think that at 9pm, when the toast is proposed, as we are thinking of them, they are thinking of us.
If your husband joined in secrecy, he sounds like a bit of a sneak to me... you're well rid of him.
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@Rachelle Walters Good morning Rachelle. It is not known where or when Freemasonry started, but the best guess that academics have come up with is 1th century Scotland.
It is thought that stonemasons from the middle ages, formed themselves in to workers co-operatives called "guilds". The idea of these guilds, was to provide help and support to those members of their profession who had fallen on hard times. Over time, it was decided that moral rectitude was a quality that would be an absolute must among their members. A by-product of this moral standpoint was charity, not just for their own members.. but for others too. Over time, men who were not operative Masons latched on to this idea and considered that morality and charity was a good idea, but need not be confined to stonemasons... but as a nod to their origins, they would use the signs, symbols and working tools of that trade to illustrate their morality.
Most, if not all of the men at the time would have been Catholic, so the morality that they adhered to was from the Holy Bible and the religious teachings of the time. This is why a Holy Bible must be opened at the beginning of EVERY Regular Lodge meeting.
You are right about the intentions of Freemasonry and the way in which it differs from that of the Church. The Church is structured to worship the Christian God. Freemasonry is not and members of all faiths are welcome.
If you have any questions, I'd be delighted to answer them.
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@jburdick8611 Ok, the truth is that Freemasons make a promise at Initiation, to always obey the laws of any place that they live. To do the things that you accuse us of, would counter that and would AUTOMATICALLY expel anyone involved.
Do you REALLY believe that we do the things you mentioned? Id' be interested to see the evidence you have of this. I suspect you have none, other than a few silly YouTube videos and a few books written by "ex-Masons"? And of course if you DO know that these things go on, you will have reported it to the authorities. If you have not, then that makes you as guilty as anyone that would do that.
Thousands of years? Scholars have managed to trace the origins of Freemasonry as far back as the 11th century. So, maybe one thousand years... but your post makes it seem like we go back as far as the Egyptians!
You have my word as an English gentleman, that none of the accusations you have made are true and rather the opposite is. For example, Did you know that Freemasonry, particularly the Shriners, pay for and maintain 22 hospitals in the USA for the treatment and care of children.. ANY children.. not just those of members. If we really did the things you say, why would we do that? Why would we spend so much time and cash on community work, to make the world a better place? We wouldn't have to do that. A personal example is that my own Lodge is currently paying for the homes of two disabled young people to be converted to make their daily living much easier. We have already converted another home for the daughter of a colleague of mine. One member of my Lodge who is a builder, is doing work for free on his days off. It's what we do. It's the right thing to do.
Please feel free to ask me anything you like about Freemasonry and I'll do my best to answer you.
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@Widsom Ugo that's true, but you have missed the point. This woman said that the Freemasons are secret society. It cannot be a secret society, because by definition, you would not have heard of it. But when it comes to knowing the "secrets" of Freemasonry, I know those secrets because I AM A MASON!
You have it COMPLETELY wrong when you say we cannot discuss what we do in public.. we can.
The ONLY thing in Freemasonry which is regarded as secret are the signs (positions of the hands and feet), grips and words of the Degree being worked. It is thought that they are taken from the way a stonemason identified himself (which would be given to him by his Master (or Foreman) prior to leaving the site to work elsewhere) and his credentials when he arrived at a new building site, so that he was paid the right rate for his skill level. There were no paper qualifications in those days and most were illiterate anyway, so they served as a proof of a man’s level of expertise. Naturally, that had to be kept confidential, or any man could turn up and be paid way above his rate if he gave the right signs etc. This is why they are kept secret.
Freemasons take an obligation not to reveal these things, not because they are Earth-shatteringly important, but simply as a representation of their integrity. If a man cannot keep something as innocuous as our signs grips and words confidential... what is his word worth? If a Freemason reveals these things, he will be disciplined which can lead to a temporary ban on attending meetings to total expulsion. And don;t come back and say that we have our throat cut across or our tongues torn out. That part of the ritual is a symbolic recalling of the punishments meted out by King Solomon and is not actually carried out for real.
The “secrets” aren't even secrets anyway. They are all over the internet and in libraries. We don’t care if you know them or not.. nothing bad will happen if you do know them. The only promise we made was that you won’t get them from us.
So there you have it. We can talk about anything you like, apart from those signs, grips and words.
So. Over to you.
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@Luke 82 What di you think links all these men?
Generals Schwarzkopf and MacArthur, George Washington, Buzz Aldrin, Gus Grissom, John Glenn, Edward Jenner, Alexander Fleming, Rick Wakeman, Mozart, Audie Murphy (most decorated soldier of WW2), John Wayne, Harry Truman, Ernest Shackleton, Robert Falcon Scott, Peter Sellers, Ernest Borgnine, Red Buttons.
All snivelling, snobby, nerdy, virgin geeks?
I think not.
I'll accept your apology if you're man enough to give it.
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@mistyderickson1552 Yes. We have a birth certificate to identify ourselves, should the need arise, as individually as possible so that any processes involving a person are carried out as exact as possible. Same for social security numbers, but obviously that is specifically to do with health and financial reasons. For example, there may be 10 Fred Jones living in a town.. one Fred Jones is a drunken bum who lives in a squat and has never worked a day in his life. He's done time in jail, has never supported his children and is a drug user. The other 9 do NOT want to be confused with THAT guy!
I am not a scientist, but trust vaccinations and immunisations. My children have both received the government recommended immunisation and have grown to happy well adjusted young people. My wife and I also received our vaccinations when we were young. So far, so good!
I am English and not American (life does exist outside America, you know!) so cannot comment on the Federal Reserve. I don't know enough about it and I only talk about thinks of which I have knowledge.
MK Ultra. Same deal. I don't know much about it..and by the way neither do you.
Operation Paperclip was a necessary and prudent move by the US to recruit valuable assets in the fight against a perceived enemy.. who ALSO recruited the same calibre of people. Let me give you a scenario.
The standard weapon issued to a US Army soldier is the M4 Carbine. The standard weapon used by ISIS soldiers is the AK47. A US patrol engages an ISIS cell at close quarters. In hand to hand fighting, one soldier gets his rifle knocked out of his hands. Nearby, a stray AK47 is right next to the soldier. He can grab it easily. The ISIS soldier he is fighting with is about to take aim and kill this unarmed US soldier.... if he can grab the AK47, he can defend himself. Does he think to himself "I am not going to use that weapon.. it was used by my enemy and it is morally wrong to pick it up and fight with it". No, he grabs the rifle and blows the bastards head off! Op. Paperclip.. same thing. It would be cutting off one's nose to spite ones face.
Pizzagate has been debunked and you know it.
You're adding two and two and getting five.
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@Dolores Roman Good morning Dolores.
The woman in the film isn't a Freemason. As you stated, women cannot belong to Regular Masonic Lodges. She knows a lot about Freemasonry, because that information is freely available to anyone... hardly anything in Freemasonry is secret. Really... ask me.
It is not a Demonic society either. EVERY Regular Masonic Lodge musty have a copy of the Holy Bible open when the Lodge is in session, along with, if required the holy book of all other religions represented at the meeting. For example, if Jewish members are present, the Torah would be opened.. if Muslim members are there, the Koran would be too. Now, why would we do that if we were in ANY way, demonic? The answer is... we wouldn't. I am sure you don't really believe there are "sacrifices".... there aren't. EVERY Freemason must adhere to the law of any country in which they are resident and I am sure you realise that if we did do that, we would be breaking our own rules.
You ask "why the secret"?....well ask me anything you like and I'll answer you. I have been a member for over 20 years and am an English 33rd Degree Freemason and Past Master of two Lodges. I absolutely promise you, almost nothing in Freemasonry is secret.. and even those things we do regard as such.. the sign, grip and word of the Degree being worked... is freely available on the internet and in libraries.. we don't care if you know these things or not... but as a matter of integrity.. you won't get them from us.
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@maria lourdes anchetta The Illuminati were a group that existed for only around ten years or so, at the end of the 18th century. They had among their numbers, scientists, philosophers, engineers etc. They met to discuss ideas of science, technology and philosophy. At the time, free thinking such as theirs was seen as "heretical" by the church......in other words the church was saying, if you don't follow our dogma, you're evil". Nonsense, by today's standards.
In recent times, Dan Brown wrote a book called angels and Demons, made in to a film starring Tom Hanks. In this book, the Illuminati were made out to be the bad guys and the idiots of this world decided that, "hey, if it's in a movie, it MUST be true"!
It's quite common to see invitations to join "The Illuminati" in these comments sections and they even have their own videos, promising wealth, health, happiness... all just for joining. Complete nonsense. DO NOT JOIN THESE SCAMMERS.
They no longer exist and have absolutely nothing to do with Freemasonry.
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@VeteranRedBeard You raise a fair a few points. I'll clear a few things up....
Freemasons meet in a LODGE ROOM...it is sometimes called a "temple" because it is a rough depiction of King Solomon's Temple, where the Third Degree playlet is set...but the correct name is Lodge Room. It is NOT a temple where worship is carried out.
"Great Architect" is simply a generic name for whatever it is that created the universe... that members of any faith can use to refer to his own deity. We of course ACKNOWLEDGE whatever it is that created the universe...but is also true to say we cannot discuss religion because that subject, like politics can be very contentious.. it can cause divide, unrest, and even anger where disagreements creep in. As we are about unity and harmony, we do not take the chance of causing division and discord...and consequently, do not allow it. The phrase is not used very often anyway.
What's wrong with a Christian attending a Lodge room and performing a ritual? You use the word "ritual" as an emotive term... but it's really just another word for a ceremony. And it's not a RELIGUOUS ceremony, so there's no problem there, is there?
Luciferianism? Well, if you realised that the word "Lucifer" has absolutely nothing to do with the Devil/Satan etc... you wouldn't use it. At NO point is the word "Lucifer EVER used in Freemasonry anyway. Pure fantasy of the conspiracy theorist type.
"Masonic Light" is simply "knowledge of Freemasonry". It's nothing to do with religion.
Questions? Please, by all means, ask away.
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@Nathan Pieterse We DON'T control everything... that's the stuff of conspiracy theories. If we DID, then things would probably be considerably better...though that has never been our intention.. rather the reverse. We do NOT get involved in politics, religion, commerce, finance etc etc.
I believe that God does NOT control our lives and that we all have free will. If he DID control our lives, what would be the point of being here? Everyone would be uber good... there would be no sin.. there would be no pain, anguish, famine, disease etc etc.
There is NO mind control. Masonry doesn't tell people what to think, but it does provide food for thought. For example. You may know, that often there is a letter G inside the Masonic symbol of the square and compasses. What does that stand for? Does it stand for God? Geometry? Gnosis? The thing is, we don't state that it stands for anything.. we let the individual Mason make up his own mind! And there are many other examples. That's hardly mind control!
It is a REQUIREMENT to believe in some sort of Supreme Being and for most people that is a god of some sort. So that's in line with your statement that we should turn to God.
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@erinjacobs3159 Of course you may ask a question. It's exactly why I created my account... to enable anyone to ask me anything.
What god do the Masons serve? Well, Freemasonry is not a religious organisation so as a body, we don't serve anyone....we're not like a church of any kind. However, each Mason is encouraged to serve whatever god he believes in and this is the one he believed in before he was a Mason. No extra religious beliefs are ever required of any Mason. So a Christin Mason serves God, a Muslim Mason serves Allah etc. It's important to know that we do not require anyone to believe in any other god as well as his own. So, for example, the Christian Mason does not believe in Allah....the Muslim Mason does not believe in God and so on. We tolerate each others beliefs without necessarily sharing them.
It's important to realise that symbols are interpreted differently to different groups or even individuals. The pentagram, for example..... the "five pointed star"...yes, in Satanism, I understand it has some significance, although I do not know what. I also know that it has been in use by other groups, centuries before Satanism existed! Now where else have you seen five pointed stars? On the flag of the USA. Does that mean the USA is a Satanic country? NO! You also see them on the uniform of armed forces personnel..Navy, army and air force. Does that mean all those service people are Satanists? And what about the swastika? you think of that, what pops in to your mind? Nazis! but did you know that for thousands of years before the Nazis got their greasy little paws on the swastika..it was a Hindu and Jainist good luck sign? Also, many Christian groups use the pentagram as a reminder of the five wounds of Jesus Christ on the cross.
The pentagram in Freemasonry, most often refers to the five points of fellowship that a man is raised on when he becomes a Master Mason. Here are the five points taken from the Master Masons Degree ceremony.
Hand to Hand, Foot to Foot, Knee to Knee Breast to Breast, and Hand over Back.
"Hand to hand, I greet you as a Brother. Foot to foot, I will support you in all your laudable undertakings. Knee to knee, the posture of my daily supplications shall remind me of your wants. Breast to breast, your lawful secrets, when entrusted to me as such, I will keep as my own. An Hand over back, I will support your character in your absence as in your presence".
There is no direct reference to the Owl in Freemasonry, although there once existed (I think it's defunct now) the "Order of the Owl"...some obscure side Degree which never lasted very long...concerned with "wisdom" as the owl is often associated with wisdom.
I absolutely promise you, that in Freemasonry, there is nothing that can be construed as "anti" any religion whatsoever.
More questions? Bring 'em on! Just please "like" this post..I don't get alerts of responses to my posts... only "likes" and that's the only way I'll know you have answered me.
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@adrianbradley8513 Good afternoon, Adrian. Yes, SOME "Christians" (the speech marks indicate my scepticism of their interpretation of their faith.. some really nasty people and not at all like MOST Christians I have met) say that, but that does not make it true. I could call myself an armchair... does that mean I'm an armchair?
The story of Hiram Abiff is allegorical. All Masons will tell you that. It is nothing more than a story, but it uses the context of the building of the temple. One of the messages it tries to get across is that to an honourable man, death holds no terrors. It also proves that no matter how different we are.. rich, poor, successful or a nobody, high born or low born, no matter what religion a man holds or the colour of his skin... we all end up the same way... and that we all die..and that death is the grand leveller of us all...in fact that we are all, essentially equal before our creator, by whatever name he is known to the individual Mason. ANY Mason of ANY faith can accept and learn from an allegory. The fact that the Third Degree is set in Solomon's temple is merely a throwback form the original Masons, who we believe were all of christian origin and got a lot of their learning from the Holy Bible. This is why a Holy bible must be displayed and opened when a Regular Lodge is opened.
I'm DELIGHTED that you have asked. This is, in fact, why I created my account. To let non-Masons ask anything they wish about Freemasonry (which is very, very open.. don't believe the conspiracy theorist claptrap about us being secretive) and to dispel the silly rumours about us.
Please feel free to ask anything you like.
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@Gift Leman, of course there are so many conspiracy theories out there, so many silly tales and so much suspicion. And do you know why? Because it appeals to the need of the human mind for ...mystery...intrigue...shenanigans! Of course the reality is quite different. Freemasonry really is a force for good in the community and the wider world.
The truth is rather more boring, I'm afraid. for example, last Friday night, I and a few others manned a soup kitchen for the homeless in my city. We provided hot food and drinks and more importantly, listened to these people. Nobody ever has the time to have a conversation with them. So as well as providing physical sustenance, we fed their self-worth. I'm not saying or doing this to say "hey look at me....aren't I a great guy"?... I and we are doing this because it is the right thing to do. Because, there, but for the grace of God, go I.
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@robl5827 NOW we're getting somewhere. Rob, I much prefer his line of communication. You put up a question and I answer it. After that, if you don't believe me, then there's not a lot I can do about it. I'll just rely on your common sense and reason and the balance of probability.
Now, I'll address the two things in your post. The blindfold. We call it a hoodwink (and yes, that's where we get the phrase from!) and this is generally accepted as symbolically going from ignorance of Freemasonry to the beginning of the knowledge of Freemasonry. Once a man has taken his obligation near the start of the ceremony, the hoodwink is removed. This is the actual wording from the Worshipful Master just before it is removed.
"what you have repeated, may be regarded as a serious promise. As a pledge of your fidelity, and to render it a solemn obligation, I call upon you to seal it with your lips on the Volume of the Sacred Law" (The Volume of the Sacred Law is whatever holy book that the man chooses to take his obligation on)...the Candidate then kisses the page of his holy book.
"What, in your present position is the predominant wish of your heart"?
(Candidate says "to see the light")
"In due time, that blessing will be restored to you, for the spirit of god moved across the face of the waters and he said "let there be light"....(the hoodwink is removed) "and there was light".
The checkerboard floor. This is a reminder of our journey through life. High and lows, good times and bad times, fortune and bad luck. It indicates to us that life isn't fair and it can, at times, be tough.
You may disagree and of course, you have the right to. you can believe me or not.. but, what's the probability of me being right? Quite high, I'm sure you'll agree.
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